Civil Aviation Development & Discussion

VinodTK · Post by **VinodTK** » 07 Feb 2015 06:22

China border upgrade: 6 airports in Arunachal Pradesh; first in Tezu by January, 2016

In a strategic move, the NDA government has commenced work to develop six airports in Arunachal Pradesh. The eastern border state, which China does not recognise as part of India, does not have a single operational airport at present and has just a heliport near Itanagar.

In fact, along the 3,488-km border with China, there are no operational airports at present. According to the proposal firmed up in a meeting between Civil Aviation Minister Ashok Gajapathi Raju Pusapati and chief ministers of northeastern states on January 29-30, the first of these airports at Tezu is to be made operational in January 2016. Raju was on a two-day visit on direction of the Prime Minister’s Office to the North-East to speed up airport development and improve air connectivity in a region considered extremely sensitive because of its international borders with China and internal security issues.

Apart from the airport at Tezu, efforts have also been renewed to resolve a long-standing dispute between the Central and state government over sharing the compensation for rehabilitation of 145 families to develop a second airport at Holangi. “After the new land acquisition act came into force, rehabilitation costs shot up to around Rs 650 crore from an earlier estimate of Rs 145 crore. The ministry is now actively looking to resolve the dispute,” an official said.

Besides, feasibility studies are being commissioned to set up four more airports at Tawang, Daparizo, Anini and Koloriang. The push to improve air connectivity in the region comes close on the heels of the Indian government easing norms to construct 1,800 km of roads and military facilities along its disputed border with China in September last year.

The seven operational airports in the North-Eastern region are Dibrugarh, Lilabari, Guwahati (Assam), Dimapur (Nagaland), Shillong (Meghalaya), Imphal (Manipur) and Agartala (Tripura).

A senior government official told The Indian Express, “China has vastly improved roads and is building or extending air strips on its side of the Line of Actual Control. India does not have a single operational airport in Arunachal Pradesh. The Civil Aviation Ministry, in a recent meeting with chief ministers of Northeastern states, has decided to set up six airports and several helipads in Arunachal Pradesh.”
Sources said growing Chinese influence has been hindering execution of several developmental projects in the region over the last few months.

At Tezu, for one, an airport engineer was allegedly put behind bars for three months on trumped up charges by local authorities and the previous contractor was roughed up, delaying construction work. Moreover, according to reports, construction equipment was not permitted to be carried to the project site.

“The Tezu airport would have been commissioned by now but for protests by locals. One of the key issues on the minister’s agenda this time was to resolve problems so that work can resume at Tezu,” the official said. The minister has assured locals that wherever permissible, local labour would be engaged and local people employed at the airport. With a breakthrough achieved last week, Tezu, which is being built at a cost of Rs 80 crore, can now become operational in a year.

India’s current approach to territorial disputes with neighbouring countries marks a departure from its traditional non-aligned approach to foreign power blocs. Since assuming office in May 2013, Prime Minister Narendra Modi has visited Nepal twice, becoming the first Indian PM to travel to the buffer state with China in 17 years. He has improved ties with Vietnam and Japan, both locked in territorial disputes with Beijing. India has also contested an $8 billion port project in Bangladesh, taking on another bidder, China Harbour Engineering Company, which was previously the frontrunner. The new government in Sri Lanka led by President Maithripala Sirisena has said India is the “main concern” of his foreign policy and that he will review all projects awarded to Chinese firms, including a sea reclamation development in Colombo that would give Beijing a strategic hold near India.

Only last week, China had expressed concern about US president Barack Obama’s second visit to India as chief guest during the Republic Day parade. The Daily, a mouthpiece of the ruling Communist Party of China, had carried several articles in the past few days with assertions by Chinese analysts that it is aimed at denting improving China-India relations.

“The US is looking toward India as a regional partner in South Asia and the Indian Ocean to coordinate with its ‘pivot to Asia’ strategy and as a counterweight to a rising China. It also needs India’s cooperation in international affairs given New Delhi’s increasing sway in the international community,” it had said.

deejay · Post by **deejay** » 07 Feb 2015 08:12

Thanks for posting this news Vinod ji. While I agree with the need to increase airports / airfield for fixed wing operations in Arunachal there are a few factual inputs from my side.

VinodTK wrote:China border upgrade: 6 airports in Arunachal Pradesh; first in Tezu by January, 2016

In a strategic move, the NDA government has commenced work to develop six airports in Arunachal Pradesh. The eastern border state, which China does not recognise as part of India, does not have a single operational airport at present and has just a heliport near Itanagar.

Even if we take just Civilian use heliports: Roing, Along,Ziro, Mechuka and Passighat should not be missed.

In fact, along the 3,488-km border with China, there are no operational airports at present. According to the proposal firmed up in a meeting between Civil Aviation Minister Ashok Gajapathi Raju Pusapati and chief ministers of northeastern states on January 29-30, the first of these airports at Tezu is to be made operational in January 2016. Raju was on a two-day visit on direction of the Prime Minister’s Office to the North-East to speed up airport development and improve air connectivity in a region considered extremely sensitive because of its international borders with China and internal security issues.

Apart from the airport at Tezu, efforts have also been renewed to resolve a long-standing dispute between the Central and state government over sharing the compensation for rehabilitation of 145 families to develop a second airport at Holangi. “After the new land acquisition act came into force, rehabilitation costs shot up to around Rs 650 crore from an earlier estimate of Rs 145 crore. The ministry is now actively looking to resolve the dispute,” an official said.

While talking of airfield / ALG's north of Bramhaputra towards Arunachal:For long time full length ALG was available at Tezu and an Airfield at North Lakhimpur have been there. ALGs at Along, Daporizo, Vijaynagar, Tuting, Mechuka can/may also be developed.

Besides, feasibility studies are being commissioned to set up four more airports at Tawang, Daparizo, Anini and Koloriang. The push to improve air connectivity in the region comes close on the heels of the Indian government easing norms to construct 1,800 km of roads and military facilities along its disputed border with China in September last year.

I do not see how even an ALG would be built at Anini. From memory, there is enough space but it is really a challenge. I do wish that more people can visit Anini just to see the beautiful "Waterfall".

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 09 Feb 2015 15:25

the ALG is vijaynagar is operating i think from 2011
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-jy-yEeuiXss/T ... 2%2529.jpg

all of these should be enlarged and improved to facilitate atleast C130 operations if not C17. that way stuff like artillery, SAM and rocket units can be flown in

deejay · Post by **deejay** » 09 Feb 2015 15:33

^^^ No, the ALG at Vijaynagar has been there for long. I am not sure but probably got built for 'over the hump' ops. I remember an AN 32 accident on landing in 2000 -2001. Have landed there once.

It is a tough landing strip (short and not so straight).

Added Later: All the forest around is Namdapha forest reserve. Huge rain forests. Lovely trails for back packing. Almost 'Virgin' and also Tiger country. Foreigners have been holidaying there for quite some time.

chilarai · Post by **chilarai** » 21 Feb 2015 21:07

why other carriers do not stand a chance againts emirates/etihad/qatar

http://onemileatatime.boardingarea.com/ ... heres-why/

Rather it’s that they have access to virtually unlimited interest-free capital, and that every aspect of the Gulf carriers operations and supply chain is interconnected. Collusion between the Middle Eastern carriers and their governments allows for zero transparency, which has the result, if not the intention, of giving Etihad, Emirates, and Qatar an unfair advantage.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 22 Feb 2015 17:00

yes thats always been the case. the vast new airports and purchases being done is surely not on the basis of accruals, corporate bonds or commercial loans. they are a form of sovereign fund investment.

the north american, european and indian elites have been well compensated to smooth the way and make sure flight rights are given without asking questions of level playing field.

Zynda · Post by **Zynda** » 23 Feb 2015 18:29

Lost opportunity for HAL Dhruv?

BLR based company inks Deal to Provide First Air Ambulance Services in Country

In the first phase, the helicopter emergency medical service will be rolled out in Kerala, Karnataka, Tamil Nadu, Andhra Pradesh and Telangana using Eurocopter's EC 135 helicopter. In the second phase, the company intends to expand the service to cover Uttar Pradesh, Bihar, West Bengal, Madhya Pradesh and Chhattisgarh.

Of course, in city like BLR with narrow spaces, operating a light copter like EC-135 may be easier compared to twin engine Dhruv. Still for medium range operations (attending to critical accidents in between two major towns like on Highways) Dhruv would have been an ideal choice. HAL already advertises Air Ambulance as one of the possible roles for civilian variant of Dhruv.

Image of Air Ambulance version of Dhruv at one of the AI Shows: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:HAL_D ... ersion.jpg

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 02 Mar 2015 05:46

While looking for PIA videos, I came across this one from Finnair,
Didn't know where to post this, so I'll start by posting this here...

Guess they didn't have to worry about the plane jumping up and down due to air pockets on this flight...

Shalav · Post by **Shalav** » 04 Mar 2015 05:48

Zynda wrote:Lost opportunity for HAL Dhruv?

....Dhruv would have been an ideal choice. HAL already advertises Air Ambulance as one of the possible roles for civilian variant of Dhruv.

Price probably? The IA operates fully configured CasEvac Dhruv's in J&K.

From Saurabh Joshi Article in StratPost

Army Day Special: The Soaring Gideons

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 06 Mar 2015 11:15

Russian specialists are considering the possibility of launching mass production of Sukhoi SuperJet 100 aircraft in India

Sukhoi SuperJet 100 is the Russian short-haul airliner seating 98 passengers and having a range of 4400 km. The aircraft performed its maiden flight in May 2008; the first SSJ 100 was put into service in 2011.

“We came to India in order to decide, what can we do in India in the network of “Make in India” program and SSJ 100 project. Moreover, our specialists have already visited a number of Indian enterprises in order to carry out technology audit and they were pleased with the enterprises’ capabilities,” Slusar said.

He added that SSJ 100 is the “world-class product, which may be manufactured here by competitive enterprises (in terms of technologies and expenses)”.

Zynda · Post by **Zynda** » 08 Mar 2015 00:43

COMAC is apparently progressing well with the C919 in Shangai.

A few pictures from Flight Global

C919 takes shape in Shanghai

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 08 Mar 2015 12:17

C919 has big internal market the chinese would just stop buing A320/737 types and would just let Pvt and gov to buy C919 if they want to operate in China

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 08 Mar 2015 12:18

SuperJet @ AI 15 http://saidpvo.livejournal.com/377393.html

Zynda · Post by **Zynda** » 09 Mar 2015 23:42

Singha wrote:the north american, european and indian elites have been well compensated to smooth the way and make sure flight rights are given without asking questions of level playing field.

Delta has recently been making some noises about the unfair advantage provided to Mid-East operators. Nothing may come out of it in the end...

Delta: We'd fly direct to India if it weren't for unfair competition from Mid-east airlines

according to Delta spokesman Trevor Banstetter, who explained why Delta has banded together with the other two big U.S.-based international airlines, American and United, to fight back against subsidies of their three big Middle East-based competitors.

"We're not really competing against airlines, we're competing against governments," Banstetter said.

The airlines have become an economic development tool for the countries, rather than businesses, he said.

The U.S. carriers have found some pretty strong evidence of $42 billion worth of government subsidies to these three airlines, Banstetter said, referring to Emirates, Qatar and Ethiad airlines.

The three U.S. carriers hired investors who took two years to root out the information revealed in this week's documents.

"They (the Middle East airlines) don't have the same profit imperative we do," he said. "They can operate a flight that loses money to gain market share."

He added that this makes competition difficult, which is why Delta stopped offering service to India from Seattle.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 10 Mar 2015 17:30

I am sure same can be said about things like singapore airlines , hong kong port etc anything which offers a big boost to the economy as a strategic investment.
for america it is data centers, military industry , IT industry...all enjoy lots of pampering, tax breaks etc.

not everyone is lucky enough to have the american domestic market (10s of millions of sheeple who will fly 6 hrs on a glass of water and a few lousy pretzels with no complaint) and a big financial market to raise fund from, plus govt protection when filing bankruptcy, low paid pilots, people tolerant of old creaky planes etc etc....

Hitesh · Post by **Hitesh** » 10 Mar 2015 20:24

Flying in the American domestic market is the most cost effective way of traveling of more than 400 miles timewise. If you are hung up on price only, then bus is the cheapest mode but take the longest.

No other market in the world can emulate the American domestic market in terms of capacity, price, and number of destinations. People in US prefer to travel by air and they have learned how to adapt to air travel. They bring their own food aboard and figure out how to travel in most cost effective way.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 11 Mar 2015 07:35

Which gives the delta united types unique scale and cosy advantages emirates etihad can never enjoy

Bade · Post by **Bade** » 11 Mar 2015 07:40

Besides which US airline or Euro trash of an airline is willing to fly to tier-2 destinations across the globe. The heart burn everywhere is now being felt. Unfair trade practices is now the latest accusation.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 11 Mar 2015 15:48

yes it is true US airlines would never fly to tier2 destinations in india.

most of africa has also become more accessiable via ME airlines, else it was some weekly flight from mumbai or fly via europe as most african airlines are very small.

nandakumar · Post by **nandakumar** » 11 Mar 2015 20:17

Singha wrote:yes it is true US airlines would never fly to tier2 destinations in india.

most of africa has also become more accessiable via ME airlines, else it was some weekly flight from mumbai or fly via europe as most african airlines are very small.

I recall the occassion sometime in the late 80s or may be even early 90s, Indian cricket team was paying a visit to Kenya on a friendly visit. Part of Dalmiya's effort to curry favour with all the associate nations inthe ICC. The team travelled to London from Bombay. From there they went to Johannesburg and from there to Nairobi, in all a 24 hour trip as R Mohan, then Hindu sports correspondent reported. Today, thanks to Emirates, you could do Bombay -Dubai -Nairobi in six hours flat.

Rishirishi · Post by **Rishirishi** » 12 Mar 2015 03:38

nandakumar wrote:
Singha wrote:yes it is true US airlines would never fly to tier2 destinations in india.

most of africa has also become more accessiable via ME airlines, else it was some weekly flight from mumbai or fly via europe as most african airlines are very small.
I recall the occassion sometime in the late 80s or may be even early 90s, Indian cricket team was paying a visit to Kenya on a friendly visit. Part of Dalmiya's effort to curry favour with all the associate nations inthe ICC. The team travelled to London from Bombay. From there they went to Johannesburg and from there to Nairobi, in all a 24 hour trip as R Mohan, then Hindu sports correspondent reported. Today, thanks to Emirates, you could do Bombay -Dubai -Nairobi in six hours flat.

The air travel market was totally different back then. Remember taking Pan am form London to Del. it was like LON-FRA-Theran-Karachi-Mumbai-Del... and it would continue to Hong kong and Japan.

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 18 Mar 2015 08:07

Singha wrote:yes it is true US airlines would never fly to tier2 destinations in india.

most of africa has also become more accessiable via ME airlines, else it was some weekly flight from mumbai or fly via europe as most african airlines are very small.

Part of the reason is the civil aviation rules/regulations within India. The other big part is that making money on those routes is unlikely. Even a tier-1 city like Kolkata doesn't have many European or US flight operations.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 24 Mar 2015 15:44

Some Sad news

German A320 crashed in South of France

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-32030270

Full flight information and flight history for Germanwings aircraft D-AIPX
http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airpl ... x/#5d42675

RIP

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 25 Mar 2015 06:16

Isn't this like the fourth crash of an A320 from a cruise condition? Off Brazil, off East Africa, the Air Asia crash, + plus now this.

putnanja · Post by **putnanja** » 25 Mar 2015 07:44

The one off Brazil was the A330 aircraft, where it was found that the pitots had an issue. The Air Asia crash was due to pilot error , it was a brand new aircraft.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 25 Mar 2015 16:22

Sure. The one off Africa was a rickety old one, and this one is a young 24 years. And of course Asians wouldn't know how to operate a new plane, so it would be 'peelot stupeedite'. Common factor is that all fell down DURING CRUISE without the pilots making any communication. Maybe time for someone to ask questions of L'Airboos? Maybe the blessed things are just coming apart in flight.

Ooo la la! Le Wing a Gauche, he declares Le Liberte!

(Like all Left-Wingers)
Exiting now b4 the rotten tomatoes arrive by air for that sickening and utterly tasteless bun, but can't make these on the "Dilli case" dhaga etc any more doo to Polis.

. Deepest apologies.

YooArrEll not available, sorry. This is a news digest.

CBS Evening News (3/24, lead story, 2:55, Pelley), reported that the plane “was reduced to confetti that allowed no hope for any of the 144 passengers and crew of six.”

(Seriously, look at the helicopter photos of the crash zone to see what they mean .. )

Also on CBS Evening News (3/24, story 3, 1:45, Pelley), Captain Chesley Sullenberger (isn't this the Hudson River Herror?) discussed possible reasons for the crash and why the pilots did not send a distress call, noting, “Either they were so involved in trying to solve possibly the many problems that they faced, or they simply were unable to. You have to remember, the pilots first must fly the airplane and solve the problems and only then communicate.”

Bill Neely NBC Nightly News (3/24, lead story, 3:15, Holt): “neither weather nor terrorism is being blamed” for now, “nothing explains why the plane fell so far so fast, with such terrible consequences.”

NBC Nightly News (3/24, story 2, 1:55, Costello):“Among the scenarios investigators will have to consider, was there an emergency that forced the crew to program a rapid descent, a fire or smoke or a sudden loss of cabin pressure. But if that was the problem, the pilot should have leveled the plane out at 10,000 feet where there’s plenty of oxygen. Instead, it kept descending. So were the pilots and passengers somehow incapacitated, perhaps from lack of oxygen?”

ABC World News (3/24, lead story, 3:40, Muir): one of plane’s black boxes has been recovered.
ABC World News (3/24, story 3, 1:30, Muir), John Nance, an ABC aviation consultant discussed and David Kerley said, “while officials say it is unlikely, hijacking or terrorism still can’t be ruled out.”

The Los Angeles (CA) Times (3/24, Willsher, Hassan), the AP (3/24, Mayerowitz), Bloomberg News (3/24, Ruitenberg), another Bloomberg News (3/24, Rothman) article, Business Insider (3/24, Pozzebon), and other media sources also covered the story.

Experts Say A320 Is One Of Safest Planes In Aviation Industry. The Washington Post (3/24, Harwell) “The Switch” blog reported that the A320 fleet experiences about 0.14 fatal accidents per million takeoffs, according to an analysis from Boeing. Richard Aboulafia, an aviation expert and vice president of the Teal Group Corp., said, “In terms of accident rates, it’s one of the safest jets built.” Seth Kaplan, the managing partner for Airline Weekly, said, “It’s extraordinarily popular and regarded as a reliable, safe aircraft, one that’s in service in every part of the world.” Reuters (3/24, Hepher) reported that experts said the Airbus A320’s safety record is among the highest in the aviation industry.
..Bloomberg News (3/24, Levin) reported that the “last crash on a European-registered plane carrying 100 or more passengers was almost six years ago.” Steve Wallace, former accident investigation chief at FAA, “European and U.S. carriers have been in their safest period ever after decades of technology and pilot-training improvements.”

UBCN, quoting unidentified yak-herders overheard on the slopes outside Ulan Bataar:

Our wild guess is structural failure while it was already pointed down - so that the engines helped drive it down to the ground. But they don't cite any crater (has anyone seen the 'field' where the USAIR flight dove into the ground on 9/11?), so did it hit a rock face at 600 kmph and the pieces just bounced off and just shattered? Even the Lockerbie crash after a bomb explosion at 30000 feet left some large and recognizable pieces, and many passengers were found still strapped in their seats, some were even alive when rescuers reached the scene (but died very soon thereafter). Maybe a wing struck the rock face, or it was banked 90 degrees so that the wing struck the ground first, then the nose swung around and smashed into the ground, still moving at high speed, so that everything struck the ground, but over a large distance.

So why would it be flying banked 90 degrees? Because it did not have the lifting surfaces or controls to correct its attitude. So the control system was dead, maybe one wing had already fallen off - or both pilots AND the automatic pilot were dead. Maybe an engine on one wing exploded and took the wing with it. The result would be so violent that the pilots would not be able to reach for the MayDay button.

While it is true that the Pilot Manual says "Fly, THEN communicate", hitting MayDay is supposed to take priority in between "fly the plane" unless both pilots had both hands on the stick and were desperate trying to move it - or the g-forces were simply too great to move their hands at all. The "communicate" is more about chit-chat on what actually happened.

Remember that the engines continuously transmit data, with updates at least every few minutes. So someone already knows how long each engine was operating. Did one or both quit inside those 8 minutes?

The highlighted words 'program a rapid descent' sends chills down my spine that can be felt even through the -5C weather of Ulan Bataar.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 25 Mar 2015 19:01

See Enn Enn now admitting:

RECENT WARNING ISSUED ON AIRBUS RAPID DESCENTS

No detail available. I assume they didn't just say: Eeph yoo go into Le Descente Tres Rapide yoo must also pull up and recover with enough altitude left BEFORE Le Ground est reached. This is what happened to urs truly when trying to fly the F/A-18 flight simulator in (simulated) air combat. Neglected to check whether the plane was descending.

UBCN corrects its wild guess reported in above post: The debris scene is the bottom of a valley between steep mountain sides. Clearly the plane must have shattered much higher up on the mountain by direct head-on/side-on impact, then the pieces fluttered down over a long distance into the valley. No mystery there. There are a few fairly large pieces, but no large lifting surfaces recognizable.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 25 Mar 2015 19:59

UlanBatori wrote: The highlighted words 'program a rapid descent' sends chills down my spine that can be felt even through the -5C weather of Ulan Bataar.

It is then supposed to level off at 10,000 ft, a level at which oxygen masks are not required and the crew, pax can breathe normally. The jagged terrain with high peaks must have complicated the descent and it may have plowed into a peak/mountainside or something. The rate of decent is consistent with what you would see in a decompression situation.

each takeoff and landing cycle and the pressurization and depressurization associated with it adds stress to the skin of the plane. Aircraft that fly short, frequent routes go through more of these cycles than planes flying long distances. In 1988, a 19-year-old Aloha Airlines Boeing 737-200 that had made frequent, short hops among the Hawaiian islands lost a large part of its roof. Corrosion and metal fatigue were to blame.

several aircraft of comparable vintage from different manufactures seem to be affected by structural abnormalities when subjected to high compression/decompression cycles. Structural defects tend to be associated with older aircraft that develop difficult-to-detect flaws over time. Per reports, this jet averaged more than 5.3 flights a day over its 24.3 years. That isn't unusual for a plane making short trips around Europe but is on the higher end of what is normal.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 26 Mar 2015 01:06

UlanBatori wrote:See Enn Enn now admitting:

RECENT WARNING ISSUED ON AIRBUS RAPID DESCENTS
No detail available. I assume they didn't just say: Eeph yoo go into Le Descente Tres Rapide yoo must also pull up and recover with enough altitude left BEFORE Le Ground est reached. This is what happened to urs truly when trying to fly the F/A-18 flight simulator in (simulated) air combat. Neglected to check whether the plane was descending.

UBCN corrects its wild guess reported in above post: The debris scene is the bottom of a valley between steep mountain sides. Clearly the plane must have shattered much higher up on the mountain by direct head-on/side-on impact, then the pieces fluttered down over a long distance into the valley. No mystery there. There are a few fairly large pieces, but no large lifting surfaces recognizable.

Here is one photo of the crash

nawabs · Post by **nawabs** » 26 Mar 2015 01:28

India's Northeast Shuttles to start Uttar Pradesh flights

http://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news/ ... sh-flights

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 26 Mar 2015 04:53

Oh! Pardonnez moi! I deed nat see zees. This plane seems to have slammed into the ground on even keel! Chetakji, where is that picture from? it is completely at odds with everything See Enn Enn, even the latest. The theme is: plane "obliterated". Are you sure it is the same one? Only tail and engines are missing. Am I imagining it or are the flaps opened out of the wings?

it was traveling with enough speed that it was all but pulverized, killing the 144 passengers and crew of six and leaving behind almost no apparent clues about what caused the crash.

Huh?? That does not look "pulverized"

Also, Chetakji
the word Germanwings should have appeared above the windows, near the wing section. This does not look like the same plane, but I cannot find that picture anywhere on the 'web' so it must be very new? Closest is the wreckage of an MD83

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 26 Mar 2015 05:16

Some breaking news about one pilot locked out.

Bade · Post by **Bade** » 26 Mar 2015 05:54

How come they have not released any info on the pilots ? In the Air Asia and Malaysian case names were out in the media early.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 26 Mar 2015 08:20

UlanBatori wrote:Oh! Pardonnez moi! I deed nat see zees. This plane seems to have slammed into the ground on even keel! Chetakji, where is that picture from? it is completely at odds with everything See Enn Enn, even the latest. The theme is: plane "obliterated". Are you sure it is the same one? Only tail and engines are missing. Am I imagining it or are the flaps opened out of the wings?

it was traveling with enough speed that it was all but pulverized, killing the 144 passengers and crew of six and leaving behind almost no apparent clues about what caused the crash.
Huh?? That does not look "pulverized"

Also, Chetakji
the word Germanwings should have appeared above the windows, near the wing section. This does not look like the same plane, but I cannot find that picture anywhere on the 'web' so it must be very new? Closest is the wreckage of an MD83

Sirji,

Maybe you are right. It may not be the german wings airbus.

Image was from twitter.

The flaps are housed.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 26 Mar 2015 16:53

CNN International ‏@cnni 12m12 minutes ago >

BREAKING: Germanwings co-pilot "accelerated descent" in "deliberate attempt" to destroy jet -- Marseille prosecutor. http://cnn.it/1BrvDTo

Theo_Fidel · Post by **Theo_Fidel** » 26 Mar 2015 18:40

^^^
Makes for horrifying reading.

...Pilot trying to smash through door... ...last few minutes passengers become aware and start screaming.... ..700 kmph into the ground... ....terrible stuff... ..treeless moon like landscape...

If that is not the crash picture can it be deleted please.. ...very misleading...

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 26 Mar 2015 18:43

Even in sfo korean air777 the pilots names and hrs on type were released same day.

One set of rules fr tfta goras....not that it will help anyone now.

anishns · Post by **anishns** » 26 Mar 2015 19:59

I am just wondering if and when a paki link will come out!

Andreas Lubitz is the name of the co-pilot. Perhaps he made a trip to al-pakhanastan

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 26 Mar 2015 21:29

"Co-Pilot is laconic" , Screamed by Pilot captured by CVR.
He could have crashed anywhere but chose the spot where terrain is most hostile.

"It would be daring to investigate other crashes in last 24 months not just MH-370 assuming Pilots deliberately might have crashed the plane"

Something is up...

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 26 Mar 2015 21:48

chetak wrote:
Here is one photo of the crash

This is not the plane or the crash site.