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and massive Govt support also. thats how china is building its national champions and thats how dassault/bombardier/gulfstream/cessna were built and get help even now.

western govts are very much in sync and behind their big business and tech initiatives.
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Singha wrote:and massive Govt support also. thats how china is building its national champions and thats how dassault/bombardier/gulfstream/cessna were built and get help even now.

western govts are very much in sync and behind their big business and tech initiatives.

yes. When Chindia does it, it's called socialism and protectionism.

An Englishman rightly said , for his own countrymen - that they will cite the Bible and all moral codes, when it's time to further their own interests, and follow it not, otherwise.

The buggers are irrelevant these days. Thank God for that. :)
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IBN

New Delhi: IndiGo has signed a Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) for 250 firm A320 neo Family aircraft. The agreement will become Airbus' single largest order by number of aircraft in the World.
Co-founders of Indigo, Rakesh Gangwal and Rahul Bhatia, Group Managing Director of InterGlobe Enterprises have signed the MoU.

Aditya Ghosh, President, IndiGo said, "This new order reaffirms IndiGo's commitment to the long-term development of affordable air transportation in India and overseas. The additional aircraft will enable us to continue to bring our low fares and courteous, hassle free service to more customers and markets and will create more job opportunities and growth. The IndiGo team is energised and excited to herald this new phase of our growth." IndiGo has previously placed orders for 280 Airbus aircraft (100 A320ceo and
180 A320neo).

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p.s. at present I believe Indigo has around 83 airplanes in service so 100 more of previous order are to be delivered in the next decade or so before the new MOU kicks in.
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will these aircraft be relevant then or this a publicity gimmick
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If there is a huge order, why cannot GoI request/armtwist Airbus to establish a factory/assembling line in India. It will even fit "Make in India" theme.
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^^^IndiGo to acquire 250 Airbus A-320 neos
In the largest global aircraft order, no-frill carrier IndiGo today signed a MoU to acquire 250 of the latest Airbus A-320 neo aircraft worth over USD 25.5 billion or Rs 1.55 lakh crore, as per the list price per aircraft.

The move came on the back of its previous orders of 100 A-320s in 2005 and another 180 A-320 neos in 2011 worth about USD 11 billion, which was the largest-ever at that time.

IndiGo's co-founders, Rakesh Gangwal and Rahul Bhatia, who is also the Group Managing Director of the airline's parent firm InterGlobe Enterprises, signed the Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) placing firm orders for 250 A-320neo family aircraft at the Airbus headquarters in Toulouse, France.


As per the plane manufacturer Airbus, the list price per A-320 neo aircraft is USD 102.8 million.

The agreement becomes Airbus' single largest order by number of aircraft, IndiGo and Airbus said in a statement.

"This new order reaffirms IndiGo's commitment to the long-term development of affordable air transportation in India and overseas," IndiGo President Aditya Ghosh said.

"The additional aircraft will enable us to continue to bring our low fares and courteous, hassle-free service to more customers and markets and will create more job opportunities and growth. The IndiGo team is energised and excited to herald this new phase of our growth," Ghosh said.

Thanking the company for "their tremendous vote of confidence," Airbus President and CEO Fabrice Brégier said, "The A-320 neo continues to dominate world market share and this commitment confirms the A-320 family as the aircraft of choice in the most dynamic aviation growth markets."

While IndiGo was not expected to select the engines for this new order "in the near future", the A-320 neo plane incorporates many innovations, including latest generation engines and large Sharklet wing-tip devices, which together deliver 15 per cent in fuel savings, the statement said.

IndiGo, which recorded a 32.6 per cent market share in August, currently has a functional fleet of 83 180-seater all -economy A-320s. It operates over 500 daily flights to over 30 destinations in India and five abroad.
Ordered 530 aircraft since 2005,are the numbers right?
If these number are right they can assemble the aircraft in India for next 15 to 20 years.
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its all a shell game with stretched out schedules , leaseback plans, steep discounts, deferred delivery etc etc. thats how airlines operate these days.

of the initial famous 100 plane order as you can see even thats not over yet as Indigo operates 83 planes at present.

net total of civilian 737/320 types operating in india + ATR + ERJ + Q would be around 500. Cheen is close to 2500 at last count.
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IIRC, the initial order is nearly over, at just 1 short. 99 delivered and a few of the original retired, once they complete the five-year mark. Indigo apparently keeps their planes spiffy and young.
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The 250 order et al are just shock and awe announcements, but the actual thing is based on a firm, long-term plan. Emirates does the same with the wide-bodies.

It is not a bad strategy. Pre-order the 320neo in bulk, after figuring out a long term obsolescence plan. The manufacturer will work closely with such an airline, that if the airline's demand rises, they bump up the frequency of delivery, if not, they just go into a more relaxed replacement mode delivery.

Btw, asked a friend who works for Indigo, about the oirope and beyond plan. I wanted to see if A350s are in their radar. But he says their stretched 320s will fly upto UK. When pressed on US, he says the plans are still evolving. But chutzpah, in flying to Heathrow using A320 variants :lol:
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http://www.businessinsider.com/mitsubis ... rs-2014-10
Mitsubishi Aviation announced this week that it will unveil the first made-in-Japan commercial airliner in 50 years.

Christened the MRJ or Mitsubishi Regional Jet, the 70-90 seat airliner is set to enter service in 2017, reports the AP. The MRJ will be the first commercial airliner to emerge from the country since the YS-11 turboprop entered service in 1965. The new jet will be powered by Pratt & Whitney's 1200G turbofan engines.
Mitsubishi Aviation (in which Toyota has a 10% stake) expects a boom in the regional jet market over the next decade or so and believes that demand for regional jets will reach 5,000 aircraft by 2031.

Thus far, the MRJ has garnered nearly 200 orders from customers including Japan Airlines, All Nippon Airways (ANA), and Skywest.
The longer we stand still, the further we fall behind. I am really hoping that our private industry in collaboration with national labs such as NAL come out with a product, certify it in India, sell and service it. If we start now, I reckon we can hope to be in the league of Boeing (selling 120-400 seat civil transport airplanes to operators) in about 40 years.
We can make a mark in the business aviation segment in about 20 years if we start now.
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^ +100...Manja saar.

I believe GoI should release funds for development of pax platforms 'cause no pvt entity in desh will invest in an expensive & complex product like a plane on their own.

Meanwhile, A350XWB gets certified for up to 370 minutes ETOPS.

EASA certifies A350 XWB for up to 370 minute ETOPS

The European Aviation Safety Agency (EASA) has approved the new A350-900 airliner for ETOPS (Extended-range Twin engine aircraft Operations) ‘Beyond 180 minutes’ diversion time. This significant achievement marks the A350 XWB as being the first new aircraft type ever to receive such a level of ETOPS approval prior to entry into service (EIS). Moreover, this means that operators will benefit from the most efficient, reliable and direct long-range routings of any two-engined aircraft.

The FAA’s respective ETOPS certification of the A350 is expected soon.

The approval which includes ETOPS 180min in the basic specification also includes provisions for ‘ETOPS 300min’ and ‘ETOPS 370min’ depending on individual operator selection. The latter option extends the diversion distance up to an unprecedented 2,500nm – a distance which corresponds to a maximum ETOPS diversion time for the A350 of approximately 370 minutes, at one-engine-inoperative speed under standard atmospheric conditions.
The ETOPS 370min option will be of particular benefit for new direct southern routes such as between Australia, South Africa and South America; while the ETOPS 300min option will facilitate more efficient transoceanic routes across the North and Mid-Pacific – such as from South East Asia to US, and Australasia to the US. Meanwhile, operators flying on existing routes (currently flown with up to 180 minute diversion time) will be able to traverse a straighter and consequently quicker and more fuel efficient path, and also have access to more – and possibly better equipped – en-route diversion airports if needed.
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Saras could have been it, but it appears to have gone down the science experiment route. How about putting together a metallic, conventional turboprop designed to go head to head with the Cessna Caravan. Thats something we have the facilities to do. We will be able to leverage our lower labor costs for about 15 years while we build the supplier ecosystem. Even DGCA needs 5-6 years before they grow the skills needed to certify a new design. With the business friendly dispensation, private industry might even be able to extract some tax concessions for the first few years while it finds it feet.

While on the topic of Saras, will someone please point me to what the original mandate for NAL Saras was? I did some google fu, but no help on this particular topic.
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ManjaM wrote:How about putting together a metallic, conventional turboprop designed to go head to head with the Cessna Caravan.
In a way we have this, with Mahindra's acquisition of Gipps.
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Star Alliance to develop Delhi, Mumbai airports as its hubs

http://www.financialexpress.com/news/st ... bs/1300560
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Chennai Airport's Hat-trick: Third time in a row chosen as one of "Asia's worst airports" - The Hindu

AAI should be very proud of this achievement. The new aviation minister made two surprise checks at the airport and then has kept quiet.
Infrastructural issues have once again pushed Chennai airport to the list of worst airports in Asia in a survey conducted by a website.

This is the third year in a row that the city’s facility has appeared on the list of “Worst airports of Asia”, in the online survey conducted by the travel website The Guide to Sleeping in Airports.

The only solace is in the fact that from the fourth worst spot last year, the airport has advanced to the tenth worst this year.

In 2012, along with Chennai, New Delhi, Mumbai and Kolkata too had been rated poorly. But this year, no other airport from India has featured on this list.

In fact, the Indira Gandhi International Airport in New Delhi has been ranked as one of the best in Asia this year. Singapore’s Changi International Airport tops the list for the 18{+t}{+h}year in a row.

As part of the survey, the website asked travellers to vote on four categories: comfort, convenience, cleanliness and customer service. A traveller in his review of Chennai airport said: “The gallery was cold and the chairs designed specifically with metal separators so you couldn’t lie across.”

The survey’s results criticised the airport for lack of cleanliness, long queues and lack of comfortable seating.

D. Sudhakar Reddy of Air Passengers Association of India said, “Even after the Civil Aviation Minister’s visit to the airport and his subsequent suggestions, one can hardly see any difference in the amenities. A lot has to be done to change the pathetic state of the airport.”
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the sterile operation theater type steel seats in BIAL have now been padded with some fake leather I noticed recently. a thin layer but better than pure steel.
interior decor is also somewhat improved....else the earlier colour scheme and atmosphere of a OT evoked images of a large teutonic nurse Helga coming forth with a enema syringe.
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Disappointing news coming out about airport prvtization. It seems the Govt will not privatize Chennai and Kolkata. They will remain cesspools of AAI babucracy. Sad news and unexpected from the Modi govt.
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He is trying to prevent a coming together of the labor unions leading to an uprising amongst the unions while carrying out the labor reforms. Airport workers are amongst the most organized of all the unions.

Have patience, these changes can wait.
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http://www.rediff.com/business/report/f ... 141116.htm

Seems the guys is finding it tough to get finances after UPA toppled
Apprehending an uncertain future for the company, some 40-odd SpiceJet pilots including commanders have quit the airline during the past six months, say sources.

The airline auditors in their recent report have cast doubts over the ability of media baron Kalanithi Maran's budget carrier to run it as a "going concern".

The airline has reported 5th straight quarter of net losses for the July-September period, at Rs 310 crore (Rs 3.1 billion), although it is down from the year-ago period when it had a net loss of Rs 559 crore (Rs 5.59 billion).


The losses came down as the airline witnessed a 15 per cent growth in total revenue. For the past fiscal, the airline had reported a record loss of a little over Rs 1,000 crore (Rs 10 billion).

"The airline is losing its flight crew at a regular interval. In the last six months alone as many as 40 pilots have quit the airline, citing uncertain future," an industry source told PTI.

The pilots who have parted ways with SpiceJet include the commanders, he said adding that those who resigned did not want to take a chance, particularly after the grounding of the Kingfisher Airlines.

According to the source, the quitting of these pilots have also impacted the airline's operations significantly with its flights either delayed or at times having repeated cancellations. The airline had last week said its had reduced its fleet by 10 planes from 48 to 38 over the past few months.


Repeated phone calls and a text message sent to SpiceJet spokesperson remained unanswered.
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^Is this Maran's airline?
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Supratik wrote:Disappointing news coming out about airport prvtization. It seems the Govt will not privatize Chennai and Kolkata. They will remain cesspools of AAI babucracy. Sad news and unexpected from the Modi govt.
Chennai and kolkata have labor issues. They have been pampered and are virtually unmanageable, especially our communist paradise.
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Paul wrote:^Is this Maran's airline?

yep
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How is air costa doing?
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chetak wrote:
Supratik wrote:Disappointing news coming out about airport prvtization. It seems the Govt will not privatize Chennai and Kolkata. They will remain cesspools of AAI babucracy. Sad news and unexpected from the Modi govt.
Chennai and kolkata have labor issues. They have been pampered and are virtually unmanageable, especially our communist paradise.
Kolkata is the only place missed my fight. Inside lines will be 200 meters long most of the time.worst than railway station.
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Singha wrote:How is air costa doing?
Saw when i went to Madurai that its planes were getting cancelled on some routes .Not a nice thought to have your planned trip cancelled.That was how Kingfisher started loosing clientele.So also spice jet though they are trying to do a course correction..
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forget chennai, it was a good decision. Horrible union problems here, once saw BSNL union shouting slogans against some senior officer in main road, the leader went on to defame him on mike citing some issues that cropped up earlier
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Watch this video. We have a long way to go before getting a really good aviation sector.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10150411305715712
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Yagnasri wrote:
chetak wrote:
Chennai and kolkata have labor issues. They have been pampered and are virtually unmanageable, especially our communist paradise.
Kolkata is the only place missed my fight. Inside lines will be 200 meters long most of the time.worst than railway station.
when was this ?
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I was in Kolkata in feb this year and will be there again next month. The airport is one of best changes I have noticed in this city. Very spacious and the toilets were clean. I was in and out both early morning as well as mid-day. The taxi-crowd is a bit like old times though there are pre-paid counters also available. It is just that the quality of the vehicles are poor compared to what I am used to elsewhere in India.
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non-AC taxis in chennai are still HM amby.
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Bade saar the pre paid counters work well and are hassle-free. if you want the cheap version aka big yellow amby's opt for the booths run by bidhannagar city police. the A/C indigo ones are available from the booths right next to those
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The Chennai airports taxis plying ambys are migrating to Dzire. Almost more than half the fleet is now converted and they expect to completely change to Dzire in the next few years.

On the decision to retain Chennai airport under AAI control, one of the reasons being floated locally is the presence of OTA adjacent to airport and the security implications of handing over the airport operations to a private firm. Take it FWIW.

In the meantime, Maran's time does not seem good.
http://www.newindianexpress.com/states/ ... 533969.ece
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Sridhar K wrote:The Chennai airports taxis plying ambys are migrating to Dzire. Almost more than half the fleet is now converted and they expect to completely change to Dzire in the next few years.

On the decision to retain Chennai airport under AAI control, one of the reasons being floated locally is the presence of OTA adjacent to airport and the security implications of handing over the airport operations to a private firm. Take it FWIW.

In the meantime, Maran's time does not seem good.
http://www.newindianexpress.com/states/ ... 533969.ece
May not be pertinent. It may have been floated by some interested parties to keep hold on the unions and the lucrative "side business".

What about Delhi??

The IAF aircraft are clearly visible from the terminal and many hotels around and some of those are VVIP aircraft of the GOI.
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Sridhar K wrote:
In the meantime, Maran's time does not seem good.
http://www.newindianexpress.com/states/ ... 533969.ece
Don't agree, like Mallya this about Money laundering. He converts cash collections as Airline receipts, pays exorbitant prices for Maintenance contracts, consultancy etc. to foreign vendors owned by relatives Benamies etc. and Viola his black money stashed in India is converted to legal Bank currency outside India.

Once the deed is done, the Airline is wound up and the staff fired. Think about it why did Maran and Vijay Mallya suddenly enter the airline business and started making exorbitant losses. If the Industry was this bad why are Air Asia and others keen to enter.

Daylight robbery is happenning right before our eyes.
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^^ I thought that Marans would have already done that by now (when they invested in the sinking spicejet) and in an exit mode now considering being out of power.
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Yup, thats why they are in exit mode now. They used the airline for thier purpose and want to hang the employees out to dry.
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^^Not "Black" Money, but "Red" Money. Not tax avoided money (meaning 70% of it is legitimate), but made from commissions, bribes, fraud, swindling and scams (100% of it is illegitimate)
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New Rule Restrict Foreign Carriers to Six Metros!

A big step backwards!! We got used to fly out on all gulf, Singapore and Malaysia airlines from DMA. Not anymore. Now we SDREs will have to haul our poor SDRE sorry cattle class carcases to the TFTA Metros for the privilege of flying internashunal!!

Ache din indeed!!
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Dileep wrote:New Rule Restrict Foreign Carriers to Six Metros!

A big step backwards!! We got used to fly out on all gulf, Singapore and Malaysia airlines from DMA. Not anymore. Now we SDREs will have to haul our poor SDRE sorry cattle class carcases to the TFTA Metros for the privilege of flying internashunal!!

Ache din indeed!!
Quite Frankly, if Dubai, Abu Dhabi, GCC, Malaysian, Singapore have all being having a free lunch where they corner Indian flyers with no reciprocity for too long.

Rather, they should surrender these routes to Indigo and other Indian airlines and I am sure the same passengers whom I have seen mistreated in airlines Gulf Air will get much better treatment from SRC.

Please remember, no current flights are being removed, only additional flights are on a reciprocity basis will go to Indian Airlines like Indigo and Air Asia- does not mean Air India, who will keep their maintenance hubs in India creating Indian jobs rather than Emirates, Eithad model in Dubai, Abu Dhabi etc.

And these acts will provide far more jobs in Kerala rather than INC and Communist leaders who shut down all Industry in Kerala so that a cheap labour is available in Gulf nations to work under inhuman conditions to build the Burj etc.

From the article
The kind of bilateral utilisation our country has seen proves that no proper thinking has gone into it," he said. "We cannot turn the clock back now. But why should we restrict our carriers? Whatever we have done in the past has led to a system where we are contributing to the GDP of foreign countries by allowing foreign carriers to fly anywhere in the country." Pusapati also referred to the future of stateowned Air India, saying that the expert committee deciding on its future will also considered
Basically UPA did a very nice job of selling the country for personal profit.
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Let it be strictly bilaterai. Let it be equal==equal. no problem. Why restrict foreign carriers to Metros alone? What is wrong if they fly to COK/TRV/CCJ? Of course, if an Indian carrier want to use the bilateral, by all means give them priority over the foreign carrier. But why restrict a foreign carrier from flying to tier-2?

What problem does this added restriction solve? Enlighten please!
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