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Jute boss battered to death

No wonder West Bengal has become an industrial wasteland.

Unless militant trade unionism is curbed, West Bengal economy cannot be revived.
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Indian Exress says

http://epaper.indianexpress.com/299298/ ... 4#page/4/2

Gujarat BJP MLAs print law-drafts that will allow Municipal bodies to acquire private land near road for road-widening without any monetary compensation :eek: :shock: . Only compensation will be that they will get a raise in FSI !!

My presumption is that MLAs were ordered by NaMo to print this law-draft. Because no such big decision is taken in Gujarat without express wish and will of NaMo.

A person who lost 10% of land may benefit by raise in FSI over 90% of the land. But I wonder how the person who lost whole of his flat\land will benefit with by raise in FSI !!
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Rahul Mehta wrote:Indian Exress says

http://epaper.indianexpress.com/299298/ ... 4#page/4/2

Gujarat BJP MLAs print law-drafts that will allow Municipal bodies to acquire private land near road for road-widening without any monetary compensation :eek: :shock: . Only compensation will be that they will get a raise in FSI !!

My presumption is that MLAs were ordered by NaMo to print this law-draft. Because no such big decision is taken in Gujarat without express wish and will of NaMo.

A person who lost 10% of land may benefit by raise in FSI over 90% of the land. But I wonder how the person who lost whole of his flat\land will benefit with by raise in FSI !!
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It is a transferrable right. In fact in urban planning terminology it is called Transferrable Development Right or TDR, for short.
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Yes, it is TDR. Very well used all over South India and Mh.
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Vasundhara Raje’s river-linking project will solve Rajasthan’s water crisis
According to an Economic Times report, the State Government made an announcement on Thursday in the Assembly that a giant drinking-water project in the southern district of Chittorgarh is being drafted. It involves transfer of inter-basin water of two rivers — Brahmani and Banas — to feed the Bisalpur Dam.

Earlier, Raje had announced a pilot project for connecting the Bunandi and Aahu rivers for irrigation and water-recharge purposes. Three more projects were also being considered, the report said. A detailed project report on the Chittorgarh project is to be drafted soon.

For the project, the Government has worked out hydrology studies and cost details and it is claimed that the project is technically feasible. Rajasthan Water Resources Secretary Azitabh Sharma said that the tentative cost estimate for the project is Rs 2,300 crore.
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First Shivraj, now Vasundhara - excellent.
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Demographics of Indian states:
Tamil Nadu highest working age population, Bihar the youngest

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Kakkaji wrote:Jute boss battered to death

No wonder West Bengal has become an industrial wasteland.

Unless militant trade unionism is curbed, West Bengal economy cannot be revived.
This is not peculiar to WB. Even in pricol at Coimbatore the GM was beaten to death. And then that incident in maruti. This is a dangerous trend across the country.
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http://www.indiafacts.co.in/nemesis-kno ... haas-door/

Nemesis Knocks at Jayalalithaa's Door
October 3, 2014

n 27 September 2014, Jayalalithaa’s past caught up with her after 18 long years (which saw several judges and Public Prosecutors), and sent her to jail. Political connoisseurs were of the view that justice was delayed but finally delivered.

As things stand, Jayalalithaa is out of electoral politics for the next 10 years. It is to be fervently hoped that the “hierarchy of appeals” which are certain to be filed to get either the Karnataka High Court or the Supreme Court to set aside the conviction and to grant her bail, will not bear fruit and the courts will uphold the judgment of the Parappana Agrahara Special Court in Bangalore and that she remains out of the political arena. Keeping her out of electoral politics for the next 10 years is to let her off lightly considering the mindboggling extent of her corrupt regime, the lives she has ruined, at least one very important and ancient religious institution she tried very hard to destroy, and the wretched politics of revenge that was the leitmotif of her career as Chief Minister of Tamil Nadu.



Jayalalithaa’s entry into Tamil Nadu politics was facilitated by the deaths of MG Ramachandran and Rajiv Gandhi. The people of Tamil Nadu blamed the DMK for allowing the LTTE to run amok in the state and Rajiv Gandhi’s assassination at the hands of a LTTE suicide bomber only fuelled the anger.The AIADMK under Jayalalithaa’s inexperienced but charismatic leadership cruised to victory riding on the crest of an anti-DMK wave. On 24th June, 1991 Jayalalithaa became Tamil Nadu’s first elected woman Chief Minister.

Tamil Nadu got ‘Amma’ Jayalalithaa as a package deal with ‘Chinnamma’ Sasikala in tow and the entire Mannarkudi Mafia (Sasikala and her husband Natarajan’s avaricious immediate and extended family) following close on their heels. Without losing a moment, Jayalalithaa and Sasikala began their violent and corrupt political careers with a bang and they began it in the manner they intended to continue.

Jayalalithaa-Sasikala saga of corruption and violence

What follows is just the most noteworthy instances of the Jayalalithaa-Sasikala nightmare of corruption, violence and misrule:

1. Pleasant Stay Hotel Case

2. Burning alive of three college girls by AIADMK men after she was convicted and sent to prison

3. Killing two journalists working for “Tharasu,” a political journal given to borderline libellous reportage and sensationalism

4. TANSI – Acquisition of Government land Case

5. TIDCO – SPIC disinvestment Case

6. Throwing acid on IAS officer VS Chandralekha’s face for resisting the fraudulent disinvestment

7. Multi crore colour TV scam case

8. Obscenely ostentatious marriage of Jayalalithaa’s foster son V Sudhakaran

9. Bringing about the utter ruination of ‘Balu’ of Balu Jewellers who died an unnatural death under suspicious circumstances

10. Arresting both Pontiffs of the Sree Kanchi Matham and pushing the matham to the verge of complete destruction

11. Rs. 66 crore disproportionate assets case

If to this long and shameful list were added the innumerable homes of celebrities and real estate forcibly acquired from their owners under threat of death and ruination, four years imprisonment seems grossly inadequate although given her age and the cut throat nature of Tamil Nadu political parties, evicting Jayalalithaa for ten years from electoral politics is just desserts.
Pleasant Stay Hotel case

In February 2000, Jayalalithaa was sentenced to one year’s rigorous imprisonment and fined Rs. 1000 on charges of criminal conspiracy (IPC) and criminal misconduct by a public servant (PCA).

In the Pleasant Stay hotel case Jayalalithaa was accused of providing illegal exemptions in the form of allowing construction of additional five floors to a hotel in 1994 while serving as Chief Minister from 1991 to 1996. However, in 2001, the Madras High Court acquitted her of all charges in the hotel case.
Burning to death three college girls

In 2000, when a lower court delivered the judgment, Jayalalithaa’s partymen went on a rampage across the state. Three young girl students of Tamil Nadu Agricultural University who were on a study tour were burnt to death in Dharmapuri in February 2000. The three young women and their classmates in the Tamil Nadu Agricultural University (TNAU), Coimbatore, were on an educational tour in two buses. Three men, who allegedly belonged to the AIADMK, came on a motorbike and set the bus transporting the young women on fire. While some young women scrambled out through one exit that was open (the other one was locked), Hemalatha, Kokilavani and Gayathri, trying to retrieve their luggage, were trapped inside.

This violent incident and trial thereafter resulted in the conviction and death sentence of three men although Jayalalithaa has always maintained that they were not party functionaries.
TIDCO-SPIC disinvestment case

The Central Bureau of Investigation (CBI), charge-sheeted Jayalalithaa on August 18, 2000, in the SPIC-TIDCO disinvestment case. The case was about the decision of the Tamil Nadu Industrial Development Corporation (TIDCO), a State government undertaking, in 1992 to renounce its rights in the Southern Petrochemcial Industries Corporation (SPIC) in favour of M.A. Chidambaram and A.C. Muthiah, then its Chairman and Vice-Chairman respectively.

Jayalalithaa, who was the Chief Minister at that time, C. Ramachandran, formerly Industries Secretary and Chairman and Managing Director of TIDCO, and AC Muthiah were the accused in the case. Muthiah’s father Chidambaram who was also an accused died in the course of the long trial.

The CBI chargesheet said that Jayalalithaa and Ramachandran, an Indian Administrative Service (IAS) officer, plotted a criminal conspiracy during 1991-92 with Chidambaram and Muthiah, reversed the decision of the previous DMK government, and facilitated Chidambaram becoming SPIC’s Chairman and gaining control over the company. The DMK government headed by M. Karunanidhi had decided that the State Chief Secretary should be SPIC Chairman because it was a joint venture undertaking of TIDCO and M.A. Chidambaram and Associates. TIDCO had a majority shareholding of 26 per cent in SPIC.

According to the chargesheet, Jayalalithaa and Ramachandran permitted TIDCO to renounce in favour of Chidambaram and Muthiah its rights with regard to 203,320 zero-conversion bonds (ZCBs) worth Rs.12.37 crores although under the prevailing rate of Rs.2,000 for one ZCB, a price of Rs.40.66 crores was warranted. As a result, the State government sustained a loss of Rs.28.29 crores, and Chidambaram and Muthiah derived corresponding financial advantage, it said (Frontline, September 15, 2000, and January 15, 1993).

The accused were arraigned for offences under Section 120-B (criminal conspiracy) of the Indian Penal Code (IPC) read with Sections13 (2) and 13 (1)(d) of the Prevention of Corruption Act (PCA). The PCA sections deal with criminal misconduct by a public servant. AC Muthiah was also charged with offences under Section 109 (abetment) of the IPC.

Justice Y. Venkatachalam of the Madras High Court, on December 15, 1997, directed Jayalalithaa, Chidambaram and Muthiah to pay Rs.28.29 crores to the State government within six months for the losses suffered because of the “collusive” deal. He accepted the DMK government’s statement filed in the court that the government had sustained a loss in the transaction. Justice Venkatachalam directed the CBI to investigate the matter and quashed a Government Order (GO) of March 1992 (when Jayalalithaa was Chief Minister) for the renunciation. The Judge said that the court considered her action “an act of privatisation of SPIC”, adding that “this type of action has to be dealt with firmly”.

The CBI investigated the matter and filed the chargesheet in the Special Court. The court framed the charges on 26 December, 2000. Examination of witnesses began from April 10, 2001.

Special Court Judge R. Rajamanickam acquitted Ramachandran and Muthiah . He said that the CBI had failed to prove the case beyond reasonable doubt and hence awarded the benefit of the doubt to the accused. He found all the accused not guilty. The Special Judge held that the sanction granted for prosecuting Jayalalithaa and Ramachandran was not valid.

Such was Jayalalithaa’s reach in the Tamil Nadu judiciary that she was acquitted in all cases. That is, until the DMK decided to move in for the kill on the multi crore Colour TV scam.
Throwing acid on IAS officer Chandralekha’s face

The Pleasant Stay Hotel case and the TIDCO-Spic case fall under the same category in which the Jaya-Sasi duo abused political power to grant unlawful and illegal favours to persons for a grand price. The core of the TIDCO-SPIC case was Jayalalithaa’s decision to get TIDCO to disinvest its shares in SPIC which would then be purchased by the junior partner MA Chidambaram and Associates.

VS Chandralekha, a young IAS officer encouraged and promoted by Jayalalithaa’s mentor and former Chief Minister MG Ramachandran, was at the time of the disinvestment imbroglio, the Chairman of Tamil Nadu Industrial Development Corporation or TIDCO. Knowing well that the disinvestment besides being grossly undervalued would also effectively keep the government out of SPIC, the IAS officer resisted fiercely and sounded a strong voice of dissent.

Soon thereafter Chandralekha was attacked allegedly by Jayalalithaa-Sasikala duo’s henchmen and acid was thrown on her face burning and scarring the young IAS officer’s face badly.

Throwing acid on the IAS officer’s face was unmistakably the duo’s message to all officials in government, administration and police not to cross their paths and not to go public with dissent or criticism.

This alone explains why no celebrity has so far gone to the police with any complaint when their homes were seized and misappropriated by Sasikala, Natarajan and their scores of avaricious relatives.

TANSI land acquisition case

Another case in which Jayalalithaa was convicted was the famous TANSI case in which two companies—Jaya Publications and Sasi Enterprises, jointly owned by Jayalalithaa and Sasikala Natarajan, were accused of buying properties belonging to the Tamil Nadu Small Industries Corporation (TANSI).

This case too, pertained to the years 1991-1996 when both ladies had embarked upon an orgy of acquisition of real estate. Wry humour doing the rounds in the city was – the only two pieces of real estate Jayalalithaa and Sasikala could not buy were the Marina Beach and Chennai’s famous landmark of bygone years – the LIC building, which was Chennai’s own Empire State Building.

Dr. Subramanian Swamy went to court alleging that the property was undervalued and sold to the two firms, causing a loss of over 3.5 crores to the state government.

On 9 October, 2000, a judge convicted Jayalalithaa and others in both the cases.

In the Jaya Publications case, Jayalalithaa was sentenced to three years’ rigorous imprisonment and in the Sasi Enterprise case she was given a two year rigorous imprisonment. However, as the terms were concurrent, her sentence was suspended.

Within two months, in December 2001, however, Jayalalithaa was acquitted in the TANSI case along with her acquittal in the Pleasant Stay Hotel case.
Multi Crore TV Scam Case

It was during the DMK regime that Jayalalithaa was first sent to prison. In the multi-crore Color TV scam case, Jayalalithaa was convicted and sentenced for allegedly receiving kickbacks to the tune of Rs 8.53 crores in a 1995 deal for purchase of 45,300 Colour TV sets for village community centres across the state.

Arrested from her Poes garden residence on 7 December 1996 she spent her next 27 days as remand prisoner No. 2529 until 3 January 1997 in the Madras Central Jail. Jayalalithaa was later released on bail. Even as she was in prison, she was also remanded for the ‘Wealth Tax’ case against her.

It was during this prison term that Jayalalithaa’s properties were raided, and sarees, footwear, wildly expensive imported watches, tons of silverware, gold and diamond jewels were seized.

The DMK through their television news channel, Sun TV (owned by the Maran brothers), filmed the seized wealth and showed it to a gawping world. This jaw-dropping wealth – 10,500 sarees, 750 pairs of footwear, watches and jewellery — are currently in safe custody in Bangalore, guarded by Karnataka police.
Disproportionate Assets case

The Rs. 66 crore disproportionate assets case against Tamil Nadu Chief Minister J Jayalalithaa dragged on interminably for over eighteen years, after a number of delays, change of Public Prosecutors and judges.

Apart from the vast collection of evidence and documents, the prosecution has relied heavily on verdicts reached in three cases for handling this case.
State of Madhya Pradesh vs Awadh Kishore Gupta case (2004)

The first is a Supreme Court ruling in the State of Madhya Pradesh vs Awadh Kishore Gupta case (2004) that stated that a public servant’s income can only be proportionate to the returns that he receives from his service, investment or property.
P. Nallammal Vs State Rep. By Inspector of Police (1999)

The second was P.Nallammal Vs State Rep. by Inspector of Police (1999) case wherein the defendant had attributed the excess wealth he had amassed to that acquired through dowry which was a legitimate source of income. However, the court had ruled that any “known source of income” must be “a lawful source”. And since dowry was not a legal source of income’, the wealth was illegal.
Lalu Prasad vs State of Bihar (1998 if disproportionate assets case)

The third and final case which the prosecution drew from was the Lalu Prasad vs State of Bihar(1998) … a disproportionate assets case which ruled that IT returns were not relevant to criminal proceedings.

Accused of having amassed wealth of Rs.66 crore disproportionate to her known sources of income between 1991-96 as chief minister, Jayalaithaa appeared before the court for the first time in the 18 year-old case since the trial was transferred to Bangalore in 2003 by the Supreme Court.

After 18 long years, when Jayalalithaa and Sasikala mocked the judicial process and led the Special Court in Bangalore to a merry dance, Special Judge Michael D’Cunha delivered the landmark judgment which gave all the accused a four year prison sentence besides imposing a fine of Rs. 100 crores on Jayalalithaa, the judge was probably relying on an earlier judgment by the Supreme Court in the KC Sareen vs. The CBI., Chandigarh, 2 August, 2001 where the Supreme Court had observed:

“When a public servant who is convicted of corruption is allowed to continue to hold public office it would impair the morale of the other persons manning such office, and consequently that would erode the already shrunk confidence of the people in such public institutions besides demoralising the other honest public servants who would either be the colleagues or subordinates of the convicted person. If honest public servants are compelled to take orders from proclaimed corrupt officers on account of the suspension of the conviction the fall out would be one of shaking the system itself”.

Judge D’Cunha reiterated the same view when he delivered the judgement against Jayalalithaa in the Disproportionate Assets case when he observed:

“The heady mix of power and wealth is the bottom line of this case. The huge accumulation of wealth by Ms. Jayalalithaa and others in a short span of five years is a telling example of how power would lead to concentration of unlawful wealth, posing a veritable danger to the democratic structure.”

While the sentence and fine imposed on Jayalalithaa pertain only to the years between 1991-96 when she was the Chief Minister and does not touch upon her second and her third term notwithstanding the fact that Sasikala continues to remain an integral part of Jayalalithaa’s household, angry Hindus cannot but recollect her demoniac assault upon the Kanchi Matham and Swamis Jayendra Saraswati and Sankara Vijayendra Saraswati.

The same heady mix of power and wealth drove Jayalalithaa to arrest the Kanchi Sankaracharya on Deepavali day in 2004 followed by the arrest of Swami Bala Periava after Swami Jayendra Saraswati was released on bail. It was generally known that if any court in the country released Swami Jayendra Saraswati on bail, Jayalalithaa would arrest the junior pontiff promptly and cast him in jail. Jayalalithaa lived up to our worst nightmares about her uncontrollable rage, the rage of a woman scorned and thwarted, when a huge contingent of policemen with shoes and boots entered the Kanchi Matham to arrest Swami Sankara Vijayendra Saraswati.

To a pointed question about how policemen can enter the Matham with shoes, Jayalalithaa drunk with power, retorted, “the Matham is not a temple, it is a graveyard” alluding disrespectfully to the fact that Swami Paramacharya’s Samadhi was located inside the Matham premises.

It appears that Jayalalithaa’s demoniac regime has finally ended. To millions of devout Hindus, it would appear that what Jayalalithaa did to the Kanchi Sankaracharyas on Deepavali, the Kanchi Matham’s presiding deity, Kamakshi did to Jayalalithaa in Navratri – when Durga killed Mahishaasura.
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Gus wrote:
Kakkaji wrote:Jute boss battered to death

No wonder West Bengal has become an industrial wasteland.

Unless militant trade unionism is curbed, West Bengal economy cannot be revived.
This is not peculiar to WB. Even in pricol at Coimbatore the GM was beaten to death. And then that incident in maruti. This is a dangerous trend across the country.
Coimbatore is coming under mallu influence. I shall leave it at that.
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This is the way loot was institutionalized under Congi rule. If Modi + Fadnavis can reduce it by half, imagine how much money it will save:

In Maha, 22% of dam cost paid as bribe: Contractor
MUMBAI: For the first time, an irrigation contractor has revealed how bribes are paid to bag dam contracts. From the lowly clerk to the politician, a percentage of the project cost has to be offered as kickbacks in order to procure the work order. According to him, the total cut amounts to over 22% of the tender cost.
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MUMBAI: For the first time, an irrigation contractor has revealed how bribes are paid to bag dam contracts. From the lowly clerk to the politician, a percentage of the project cost has to be offered as kickbacks in order to procure the work order. According to him, the total cut amounts to over 22% of the tender cost.
UP under SP rule is no better . Here is a breakdown of bribes in govt contracts :
MLA/Minister :10-20%
Department : 18%
Cost of getting the project sanctioned : 2-6 %

Add it up and see. Marathi maanush still has got some way to go. In my district in Zila Panchayat , Zila Panchayat Chairman takes 50% , Department 25% , Rest minus taxes goes to contractor. All work is done on paper only you see. :rotfl:
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http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/ban ... y#comments

Title says it all. Another sick, stupid incident, showing Indians' carelessness and stupidity. What a waste of 5 young lives. Not knowing how to swim, and then trying it out, wow that's wise and thoughtful.

Incidentally, notice how the Delhi-centric media will largely downplay this incident, and play up the farmer suicide, horrible though the latter is for sure.
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Chinmayanand wrote:
MUMBAI: For the first time, an irrigation contractor has revealed how bribes are paid to bag dam contracts. From the lowly clerk to the politician, a percentage of the project cost has to be offered as kickbacks in order to procure the work order. According to him, the total cut amounts to over 22% of the tender cost.
UP under SP rule is no better . Here is a breakdown of bribes in govt contracts :
MLA/Minister :10-20%
Department : 18%
Cost of getting the project sanctioned : 2-6 %

Add it up and see. Marathi maanush still has got some way to go. In my district in Zila Panchayat , Zila Panchayat Chairman takes 50% , Department 25% , Rest minus taxes goes to contractor. All work is done on paper only you see. :rotfl:
Marathi manoos was in the same ditch for road building contracts. In Western MH, this person got bored of earning money by default (seriously, there are such people as well). And he started an CE devices shop, to show his newly married wife that he also does something useful! The location is Sangli.
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what about vizag? TN has only big two - chennai and coimbatore. kerala is much better having cochin and calicut.

however, the policy towards industrialization i agree TN stands apart.. {deleted}

only a two pronged strategy TN can beat singapore..

1. roads infra matching massan interstates connecting all cities in TN
2. swach TN initiatives. they need 1 bathroom for every 1/2 people.
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>> TN has only big two - chennai and coimbatore. kerala is much better having cochin and calicut.

have you been to TN lately sire? TN has industrial cities all over the place. the highways are among the best in the country. to give an example, a entire stretch of 200+ km from krishnagiri to chennai has been proactively 6 laned and flyovered in anticipation of future industrial growth though the 4 lane was mostly fine for now. the krishnagiri-madurai highway is surely one of the most well built NHAI roads.

kerala - compare the national highways....some are like sector roads in noida...its hard to imagine a high HDI state tolerating such poor roads. I think kochi has a industrial cluster incl apollo tyres and thats it. one hardly sees any manufactured item with "made in kerala" on the sticker outside the state.

kerala has a inflated living std due to cushion of gulf remittances. if that dries up things will be lot tougher. wages will decline for sure as more people would be forced to return and work locally driving up labour supply.

sad thing is with higher education levels, kerala can easily industrialize if it wants to...good higher end manufacturing workers will be easy to find and train due to education.
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Singha, Kochi has more than just Apollo tires. Check out the Refinery complex on google map. Higher education levels will definitely lead to more migration for jobs and remittances will continue from elsewhere to keep up the standards of living. KL will continue to defy all conventional prophecies. It has certain weakness which it cannot overcome, so changes will not come where people elsewhere want to see change. IMO, it is not critical as many think.

Do not be surprised to see the next gen of ME settlers moving to North America in droves. It has just begun...from workers in the oil industry to students in universities in the US/Canada.

TN works on supply of cheap labor at its beck and call. Geography also works in its favor. It will always have the first mover advantage as a result, even as standards of living improve there as well as the cost to keep it up.
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Yeah.. like I said, few odds TN has to cross.. and once that threshold reaches, TN will sling shot itself like singapore. there is no doubt about it. but, then it has huge problems too - the politics, commies and few babooze are really pulling it economic growth down, by not thinking ahead or chalta hai attitude or why do we need that kind of mental state.

When TN moves with full acceptance of its people, nothing like it.

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singha ji, i haven't been to krishnagiri-madhurai section since eons., but did CBE->Pondy some 2 years back
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SaiK wrote:what about vizag? TN has only big two - chennai and coimbatore. kerala is much better having cochin and calicut.

however, the policy towards industrialization i agree TN stands apart.. but that is largely due to its cattle class labor force and work culture.

only a two pronged strategy TN can beat singapore..

1. roads infra matching massan interstates connecting all cities in TN
2. swach TN initiatives. they need 1 bathroom for every 1/2 people.
SaiK - Yours is quite a demeaning (what is need to bring in an unfounded bathroom statistic or call TN workers as 'Cattle Class' ?) & an ignorant post !! .. coming from what i guess is a guy with fake superiority complex and seemingly with origins from Kerala.

Kerala cannot go anywhere far from Tamil Nadu - they are neighbours. If in the old days - the Chera kings were hunted & sent to oblivion by the Cholan kingdom (Refer kandalur salai wars & etc ) ... these days on the economy, industry & research front, its again the state of TN that is consigning Kerala to the dust bin primarily due to a vastly better work ethic, industriousness, skills & capability and in general an eagerness to progress and do better than others.

Apart from Coimbatore - Have you even heard of places in TN like Tiruchirappalli, Tiruppur, Hosur, Tuticorin, Ranipet, Namakkal & etc ?.

There are many, many big Indian and MNC companies manufacturing in TN and i am not going to even list them. I have been noticing that after working in such companies on the engineering front for a decade or more - many experienced employees have quit to start MSMEs and begin by taking up outsourced jobs from their former companies and are trying to expand their operations into adjacent products & engineering sectors. Hopefully financial efforts like MUDRA can help these newly starting MSMEs. The same thing is also happening on the engineering design & product development front also.

The biggest thing for me is the numerous engineering, R&D centers of non-IT, core engineering MNC companies in TN and I am not even indicating the similar centres of either the Indian engineering or even any Indian/Foreign IT companies. Just to reel out some of those from the top of my mind - Robert Bosch (actually in Coimbatore), Saipem, Renault-Nissan, Chrysler, Technip, Saipem, Foster & Wheeler, Emerson, Danfoss, FLSmidth, J Ray Mcdermott, Caterpillar, Shell, ABB, Ford-Visteon, Petrofac, Saint-Gobain, Grundfos, Ingersoll Rand & Trane, Valeo, Wabco, Dow Chemicals, PFizer and so many other MNCs do technologically advanced work on products aimed for either the developed countries or emerging countries.

SaiK - it is very important for you to remember - Kerala just last week self-paralysed itself from head to foot in Bharat Bandh whereas TN was working at almost its fullest capacity. Is being educated alone enough - what's the use if one can't use their high literacy to improve their own region (and worse go backwards on labour front) ?. For all this head start on education, social and health care front in Kerala - one would have expected strong higher education infrastructure, fast progressing Industry (with the whole of India as a readily available market), strong healthcare capabilities (advanced health care tourism & more) and so on. There is very little special about Kerala in the IT front too. It's actually the Keralite students who come in big numbers to TN's engineering colleges. Jyothy Labs, MRF, Aban Offshore, Hindustan University, Amrita University, K.M cherian's Frontier Lifeline, Madras Medical Mission and etc - found it better to start their institutions & factories in TN and have eventually become big organizations and now Kerala wants some of these to also start facilities in their state. Even V-Guard (one of the rare Keralite owned engineering company operating out of Kerala) sister company V-STAR has more factories in TN (Tiruppur and Tirunelveli) than in Kerala for making their range of premium Women inner-wear and Men's casuals. Shows you how much confidence Keralites have in their own state's capability to perform on Industry front.

A bit on the 'Nokku Kooli' attitude of Keralite Labourer
It's actually the intent to get a job, learn skills in it and progress further on that path - that's the attitude shown primarily by this so called 'cattle class force' in TN where as in 'highly literate' Kerala and among Malayalis in that region from same economic class - it's mostly about the shameless NOKKU KOOLI work attitude. So much so that the Kerala state government & its Oomen Chandi has to publish in its own government web site that the state capital Thiruvananthapuram declared ‘Nokkukooli free’ and even UAE's leading newspaper has an article on this labour wonder called Nokku Kooli Billionare Industrialist takes on Kerala Head load unions.

But inspite of Kerala CM's statements that Nokku Kooli 'Gawker Charges' is coming to an end - it still keeps raising its head. IMO - such attitudes are in the basic nature of people in this region of Kerala - it seems quite difficult to root it out.
APRIL 2015 : Why Kerala pays wages for looking?

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To avoid paying "nokkukooli", an absurd unionist wage ritual practised in Kerala, an American artist recently trashed a part of his work. But this practice of all-pay-no-work seems unlikely to end.


Real estate broker Mohammed K's business card has an interesting postscript — "expert in shifting household items". What his team actually does is look out for head loaders at street corners, waiting for mover trucks and vans to demand nokkukooli, translatable as "wages for looking".

Any Malayalee who has ever shifted home or even tried transporting a table in the last few decades knows of this Kafkaesque practice — nokkukooli is a payment made to head loaders affiliated to a union even if they haven't undertaken any work for you. Theoretically, all loading, unloading anywhere in the state is their prerogative and thus a wage has to be paid even if they don't handle the load.
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I used to do work for Asianet in last decade and i knew how small the roads in Cochin can be. To iron out on some technical issues in Asianet - i went to their facilities and they were so small in Cochin. I had to book a hotel room nearby to do my work because they couldn't offer me space in their facility for 3 additional AC power supplies for my team to do troubleshooting. A couple of American technicians who came with me where amazed at how this company could get destroyed because of lack of proper fire extinguishers, air ventilation ducts for all the high tech equipments we were giving them and the very small approach roads (for even fire extinguishing vehicles were to come) to the facility. Other Indian companies who bought similar products from our company were better complaint when it comes to the need for better fire & weather induced danger mitigation fronts.

SaiK - I think time would be better spent in reforming the work culture of Keralites than in issuing unfounded 'cattle class' style comments on the work culture of TN folks. Otherwise the contrast will only spread more and more.
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SaiK wrote:what about vizag? TN has only big two - chennai and coimbatore. kerala is much better having cochin and calicut.

however, the policy towards industrialization i agree TN stands apart.. but that is largely due to its cattle class labor force and work culture.

only a two pronged strategy TN can beat singapore..

1. roads infra matching massan interstates connecting all cities in TN
2. swach TN initiatives. they need 1 bathroom for every 1/2 people.
Whats with the "cattle class" BS? Some burnol moment!

As can be seen from the below chart, chennai and coimbatore only have 20% of the GDP and the rest are from other districts, not like the basketcase districts in other states where only 1 or 2 have high proportion of the SGDP
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For full report (little outdated though)

Monitorable Indicators and Performance: Tamil Nadu
K. R. Shanmugam

http://www.mse.ac.in/Monograph.asp
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Bade wrote:Singha, Kochi has more than just Apollo tires. Check out the Refinery complex on google map. Higher education levels will definitely lead to more migration for jobs and remittances will continue from elsewhere to keep up the standards of living. KL will continue to defy all conventional prophecies. It has certain weakness which it cannot overcome, so changes will not come where people elsewhere want to see change. IMO, it is not critical as many think.

Do not be surprised to see the next gen of ME settlers moving to North America in droves. It has just begun...from workers in the oil industry to students in universities in the US/Canada.

TN works on supply of cheap labor at its beck and call. Geography also works in its favor. It will always have the first mover advantage as a result, even as standards of living improve there as well as the cost to keep it up.
Bade Sir .... Pray what is the Geographical advantage that TN has which Kerala does not have ?.

TN suffers from water scarcity and more dry weather than Kerala. Kerala had a big advantage in Literacy, social cohesiveness, health care front since 1947 when compared with TN. Its quite another detail that this advantage is narrowing fastly atleast when compared with TN. More than TN - Kerala has been having longer contacts, through its coast & its ports/harbors, with western countries than TN has ever had.

Kerala was always famous for its spices that were world renowned since ancient days too (exporting them to rome & elsewhere). Even the Queen of Britain gets her spices exclusively from the spice business owned by the royal family of Travancore. But now Kerala is starting to wilt from the competition provided by AP & TN with in India and also due to competition from Latin American, South East Asian countries. Read more in below article.

AUGUST 2015 : As TN, AP knock Kerala off export perches, earnings fall 8%
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Kerala’s (export) earnings stood at $9.6 billion last year, down from $10.3 billion in 2013-14.

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This is a substantial negative growth of eight per cent, calling for immediate attention from policy-makers, manufacturers, exporters and export promotion agencies.

Kerala’s export basket mostly contains spices, seafood, tea, cashew, jewellery, ayurvedic preparations, agro products and processed foods. Many of these sectors have not been doing well for years. And, significantly, it has been knocked off its traditional perch in the export of seafood, spices and coir. Kerala has all along been No 1 in terms of seafood exports. But, thanks to the phenomenal expansion of vannamei shrimp farming, Andhra Pradesh has now overtaken Kerala in seafood export in value terms.
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As for spices, which attracted foreign traders to Kerala for more than 2,000 years, Karnataka, Tamil Nadu and Andhra Pradesh are sweating out to overtake Kerala. And, Guatemala and Vietnam are giving stiff competition to Kerala’s cardamom and pepper respectively, too. Because of the abundance of coconut plantations, Kerala has for long been the destination for coir products for foreigners.

But, over the past decade, Tamil Nadu has emerged as the top producer of coconuts. Last year, Tamil Nadu, pushing Kerala aside, came up tops in the export of coir.

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I will tell you what is the BANE of Kerala !!! its the evil of communism and communist parties with too much power at their hands !. Majority of Keralites seem to find it hard to accept this truth during election times and fail to throw away that evil. Unless there is acceptance of an issue or a problem - the issue wont go away. What is bad is that they do not get inspired by China and some even look at them with envy at times but still will not follow some of that raw capitalistic streak shown by China (though implemented in a more easier 'one-party-rule dictatorial system' at China and which conflicts with the every-5-year-election-examination-type democratic world in our nation).

Not that the xMK parties in TN are angels or very fair in their rule. One set of xMK indulges in mega-corruption on a truly large-family scale and moves around as though they are all harishchandra types while the other xMK is a huge set of fawning, cloyingly sycophantic group led by a mercurial actress. But they don't hate businesses to the level that communists crazily do, they don't throw out National Highway projects, Nuclear Plants & Research bodies, raise hartals & bandhs for very small issues and perpetuate such stupid acts across generations.

In a way - KARNATAKA, AP & TN should thank Communist parties in Kerala. It's a very competitive world. Communists & communism has seeped too deep in the psyche of Keralites, it seems. The Commies have successfully nipped at bud the advantage of industrial progress that normally can be obtained from a literate, socially progressive and healthy population. Keralites work well outside Kerala ! but then they do pay a price for that ... they have to stay away from their native place and cant really influence positive changes in their native places. Other states should keep Communists at the bay in their own regions and not give too much power to them.
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SaiK wrote:... i agree TN stands apart.. but that is largely due to its cattle class labor force and work culture.

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I think the sentence is too offensive and borderline racist portrayal of hard working labourers from this state. I dont know where you are from or which high horse you are sitting on, but I have heard a similar portrayal of the migrants labourers from Tamilnadu in Karnataka and Kerala. I would suggest you to withdraw this sentence and apologize.

Just because there are humans from this state ready to put in hard days of labour does not make them cattle class. Heck, even Sashi Thatroor has to apologize for calling "cattle class". Here you brushed with a broad stroke an entire state's labour force that is ready to toil in a hot climate.

I did not expect BR to go down this way in the choice of words.
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What's this cattle class business ??
Fyi - most of the unskilled jobs ( temp jobs in factories , restaurants , construction etc ) are done by migrant workers from Bihar / UP / Orissa etc
It's difficult to find local workers for low paying jobs
I think posters who have commented about TN above have absolutely no clue what they are talking about
TN has a much better spread of urbanisation and industrialization than other states except maybe MH
Yes , the work culture is far superior to other states but I would think that's a great positive
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SaraLax, did you bother to read what I wrote. TN geo advantages are rooted right from British days of doing business. Two other capitals come to mind who played ahead with this advantage. Listing a whole lot of industries built over more than a century of industrial foundation and berating KL as communists does not make an argument. KL has found a better model to use its educated populace. It is no different that outsourcing one sees in the IT field today. One model does not suit all. Do not expect people from KL to work for wages below that paid in TN, when they have better options. Smarter ones always vote with their feet and move where the opportunities are. You seem to paint every Keralite as waiting for Nooku-kooli. Ridiculous argument with no basis. What is the percentage of non-skilled labourers required in today's industrial world and going into the future.

TN will always have more industries as a variety of conditions suit it, but KL will continue to enjoy a higher standard of living overall. Deal with it and do not bring extraneous arguments like Nooku-kooli to bolster your case.
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going way OT again...
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SaraLax wrote:SaiK - I think time would be better spent in reforming the work culture of Keralites than in issuing unfounded 'cattle class' style comments on the work culture of TN folks. Otherwise the contrast will only spread more and more.
400% agree with your post.

My only caveat: it is not that KL folks have intrinsically a poor work culture. Decades of communism and INC infection have led to deindustrialization, migration of both skilled and unskilled labor to other places, and alcoholism, have left very little behind to work with.

The solution to the problems is also in my previous sentence: get rid of communism and the INC.
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Not to go too far off topic, but when I think of "cattle class" the first group that springs to mind are KL laborers and skilled workers in the middle east.
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Repeat after me...There will be no massive scale industrialization in KL of the likes where massive amounts of land and labour is required for industries to be setup. KL has skipped that cycle for boot-strapping itself. :-) People providing "solutions" to KL's problem have no clue what they are talking about. Most such arguments are based on how they were harassed to get their furniture off loaded during a local move, by the road side goons. You can make KL 100% to the political tune you want it to sing, but certain parameters will not make things happen the way you want it, as a mirror image of TN.
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Bade wrote:SaraLax, did you bother to read what I wrote. TN geo advantages are rooted right from British days of doing business. Two other capitals come to mind who played ahead with this advantage. Listing a whole lot of industries built over more than a century of industrial foundation and berating KL as communists does not make an argument. KL has found a better model to use its educated populace. It is no different that outsourcing one sees in the IT field today. One model does not suit all. Do not expect people from KL to work for wages below that paid in TN, when they have better options. Smarter ones always vote with their feet and move where the opportunities are. You seem to paint every Keralite as waiting for Nooku-kooli. Ridiculous argument with no basis. What is the percentage of non-skilled labourers required in today's industrial world and going into the future.

TN will always have more industries as a variety of conditions suit it, but KL will continue to enjoy a higher standard of living overall. Deal with it and do not bring extraneous arguments like Nooku-kooli to bolster your case.
:rotfl: :rotfl:

So according to you Going and slaving as unskilled labour in middle east is so much better than working in TN. And that "model" is better than getting your industries setup in you own state. Seriously what are you smoking. So whats the difference between the boat load of Syrian refugees entering Europe and educated KL seeking refugees in ME. :((
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rhytha wrote: So according to you Going and slaving as unskilled labour in middle east is so much better than working in TN. And that "model" is better than getting your industries setup in you own state. Seriously what are you smoking. So whats the difference between the boat load of Syrian refugees entering Europe and educated KL seeking refugees in ME. :((
You mean to say there is no difference too between people queuing up for visas for US/Canada on H1 and political refugees from Syria. Great ! There is a service being provided by even the unskilled folks in the ME. If they were to be provided better working conditions in TN, why would they go to the ME. BTW, even from TN labourers are heading for the ME, you need to ask yourself why first before doing ROTFL ?
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Bade saar, you are not going to win till BJP is ruling KL. Then it will over night turn into the most perfect state. Even TN gets all manner of weird comments because TN doesn't give a damn for any of the so called 'national' parties. It is the furrow we have have to plow, and hope the rest of India learns the lesson at some point. Anyway, this is all wildly OT...
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Yes, Theo I can see that in the many posts. A bit of pride in the home-state is understandable even for me, but outright lies to make a case should be questioned. No state is perfect IMO, we just have to work around issues and fix ones that makes sense to fix to make progress.
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Yup. That is the lesson of TN/KL/PJ/GJ, etc. Every state has to find its own way and give up magical thinking that some ideology or other will save them. TN was the first to pick up on it it, mostly by accident if you ask me. The DK parties were originally quite hopeless economically, but because they were not beholden to Dilli they were left to their own devices and began to experiment with new ideas and new relationships with the industrialists. Social reform in TN stressed the value of hard work and things slowly turned around. At some point one has to realize labor law reform is required but it will be states like TN/GJ/KL that benefit from labor law reform. Knowing KL as well as I do, I'm baffled what these fellows are commenting about work in KL. KL folks are some of the hardest working people out there. And they are right to oppose manual labor to the preference of mechanized labor. There is no shortage of labor in KL willing to run taxi's, forklifts, harvesters, trains, welders, pipes, diggers, etc. And the same is increasingly true of TN. As a nation we have to give up menial labor if we are to turn things around. The easy availability of menial labor to sweep your yard is a bad sign not a good sign but try telling that to some folks....
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Theo_Fidel wrote:Bade saar, you are not going to win till BJP is ruling KL. Then it will over night turn into the most perfect state. Even TN gets all manner of weird comments because TN doesn't give a damn for any of the so called 'national' parties. It is the furrow we have have to plow, and hope the rest of India learns the lesson at some point. Anyway, this is all wildly OT...
Theo_Fidel wrote:Bade saar, you are not going to win till BJP is ruling KL. Then it will over night turn into the most perfect state. Even TN gets all manner of weird comments because TN doesn't give a damn for any of the so called 'national' parties. It is the furrow we have have to plow, and hope the rest of India learns the lesson at some point. Anyway, this is all wildly OT...
Theo saar .... National one-Family-owned party i.e INC is already ruling KL. But i personally don't see KL changing even if BJP rules KL ... because its in the nature of KL people in power to do what they are doing. For ex. look at the first LNG terminal setup in South India at Kochi (the same city that SaiK was indicating) - the Petronet LNG terminal in 2013. That's a big advantage for KL & a boon for its industries but as is the norm there is no advantage gained from it. Petronet LNG & Centre invested 5000 Crores INR to build this LNG terminal but only 5% of its capacity is under use. Petronet LNG is booking a loss of 100 Crores INR per Quarter since 2014 due to idling of this LNG terminal. Kerala's own revolving governments have thrown mud on their own head by not providing land required to lay the pipeline with in their own state and actual LNG Terminal build project started in 2007 itself. The pipeline is stuck in land acquisition and legal cases in courts. Seems 50 Km of the planned 600 odd KM pipeline have been built but the original plan is to evacuate the Clean & Green gas to potential industrial customers like FACT, NTPC - Kayamkulam, BPCL inside KL and then all the way to Bangalore. Meanwhile NTPC which installed equipment in its plant to convert and make use of the LNG source for clean power production is still waiting for the pipeline to reach its premises and is actually running using costlier Naptha and selling power at ~ 9 INR/unit to Kerala electricity board.

Worse - there are 3 more LNG terminals at various stages of development in South India and now the Kochi LNG terminal's situation gets bleaker inspite of having the 'first in South India' tag. IOC's LNG Terminal at Ennore port is into construction phase with Mitsubishi Heavy Industries building major portions of LNG Terminal & Tanks and TN Govt has a 5% stake in this 5000 odd Crores project. The idea is to provide the LNG by year 2018 to local industries, fertilizer plants and power plants in TN. Petronet LNG's Terminal at Gangavaram Port in Andhra has now got environmental clearance and is into commercial structuring process (bringing in various entities as stake holders & partners for the project). The 3rd LNG terminal is at Kakinada port in AP and it seems to be a consortium of AP Govt's gas agency, Shell, GDF of France & GAIL and MOUs are signed - it seems to be a floating LNG terminal project and takes far less time than a normal land based project and hence is supposed to be up & running by 2017.
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Bade wrote:Yes, Theo I can see that in the many posts. A bit of pride in the home-state is understandable even for me, but outright lies to make a case should be questioned. No state is perfect IMO, we just have to work around issues and fix ones that makes sense to fix to make progress.
- Nokku Kooli ain't a lie sir. The Kerala CM is himself claiming on the KL govt website that it is being done away with only for it to manifest in different manners in KL.
- That Kerala ties itself up in knots and goes for a hartal/bandh/shutdown every once in 2 months or so - is also not a lie. All this when you have a hard working TN nearby sir. Makes KL look as a lazy land in comparison.

I am eagerly waiting to see how Adani is going to implement & run the deepwater port at Vizhinjam for which they signed agreement with KL government & centre .... not because they lack competency or so but because this project is happening in KL and on top of that, nearby in Cochin - there is already the DP World + Cochin Port run Vallarpadam Transshipment port (India's first transshipment port - expected to snatch away the Indian containers transshipment happening in Colombo port but which still remains a dream). Vallarpadam is running at 60% capacity as per reports and is not doing well & thus contributing in a major way to Cochin Port's loss of nearly 100 crores in 2015. Now the latest announcement from centre is that they have given go ahead for a 21000 crores INR port at Colachel in nearby Kanyakumari district in TN. Colachel is less than 50 KMs from Vizhinjam. Also there is a 11000 odd crore INR outer harbour project, sanctioned by centre in 2014, happening in VOC port at Tuticorin in TN and that is not far away from all these above 3 mentioned coastal places. Lets see how these things go and who comes out as victor.
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Theo_Fidel wrote:Yup. That is the lesson of TN/KL/PJ/GJ, etc. Every state has to find its own way and give up magical thinking that some ideology or other will save them. TN was the first to pick up on it it, mostly by accident if you ask me. The DK parties were originally quite hopeless economically, but because they were not beholden to Dilli they were left to their own devices and began to experiment with new ideas and new relationships with the industrialists. Social reform in TN stressed the value of hard work and things slowly turned around. At some point one has to realize labor law reform is required but it will be states like TN/GJ/KL that benefit from labor law reform. Knowing KL as well as I do, I'm baffled what these fellows are commenting about work in KL. KL folks are some of the hardest working people out there. And they are right to oppose manual labor to the preference of mechanized labor. There is no shortage of labor in KL willing to run taxi's, forklifts, harvesters, trains, welders, pipes, diggers, etc. And the same is increasingly true of TN. As a nation we have to give up menial labor if we are to turn things around. The easy availability of menial labor to sweep your yard is a bad sign not a good sign but try telling that to some folks....
I hope you are not supporting KL's Nokku Kooli - are you sir ?.
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Nookku kooli is indefensible but then so are so many of the labor practices in our country. and unfortunately there are much worse things going on out there.

While criticizing nokku kooli you should realize just how terrible the work situation is elsewhere. For instance in the heartland of India it is common practice for government employees to sub-let their jobs to unqualified relatives and other hangers on. This is even in critical sectors like education and railways and hospitals and PWD, etc. Yet it is nooku kooli that gets peoples goat. In all my time in KL I have never run into nooku kooli, does it exist sure, but some perspective should be kept.

Think about it this way, personally I would trust my life in the hands of a nurse/doctor in Kerala, I would never do the same in say MP or Bihar. In fact folks in those states make a beeline for medical care in KL, so something right must be going here. And the same thing can be said for sector after sector. But I suspect I can never convince folks of that...
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Regarding LNG pipeline issue, that has been resolved only recently. Even TN CM JJ was putting up obstacles for the pass through TN to KA as I recall. So it is not entirely the fault of local land acquisition issues in KL alone. The Hindu had some articles on it many months ago. This was TN playing hardball to protect their interests. But why put all the fault at KL's doorstep always. No one is denying issues that really exist. Land is expensive, holdings are small and people are not willing to part with it. Keep in mind flat land in KL is not more than 10-20 km wide in most places as it is hemmed in by the ghats. There is no where else for people to go. No one owns 30-40 acres like in other states, except the estate owners in the hills.
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What has one got to do with another. This is SCM level stuff
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