Bharat Rakshak

Sure thing. UID is not doing that though. And there would have to be a different type of ID (if card based) or response (if computerized process) to go with that.

The citizenship field can also be added later, if there is political will (and that is a big if).

It is essentially the same thing as creating another ID, as there will unavoidably be another manual process. Plus matters will be worse, since a lot of ID proofs that are acceptable today won't be acceptable for such disambiguation later.

For example, the RBI has notified that the UID can be an acceptable document for opening a bank account. So non-citizens can now open a bank account. Then bank accounts cannot be used as valid proof of ID for any process that tries to differentiate between the two later on.

I understand and am all for the UID project. However, I received an email from someone:

"NN, when not defending his UID card project is seen drinking away The Leela's wine cellar empty. (Rs 48,000 a bottle, along with Aveek Sarkar. Source: Vir Sanghvi) And this in a country where the Planning Commission sets Rs 32 a day (urban) and Rs 26 a day (rural) as the poverty cut-off limit. Nilekani 's UID is also part of the PC

I am extremely wary of putting unchangeable biometric data into a database maintained by the Indian government. Given the GOI's consistent record of incompetence at all levels, it's a virtual certainty that the data will be compromised sooner rather than later. And because the data is biometric, once tainted it will be impossible to generate a new set of data for you.

If someone hacks into a database and steals your password, you or the system administrators can create a new one. If someone steals your biometric information, how will you generate a new set?

I read a generally positive article in Wired about the project, and one of the things they mentioned is that the database will be something like 128 times larger than the largest DHS database. Doesn't it make anyone else wary that the GOI is taking on a project two orders of magnitude larger than the DHS has, and we expect them to get it right the first time?

Guys, is it worth getting?

There is a new project under the PMO undertaken by Sam Pitroda less talked about. The Public Information Infrastructure is next on list after UID.

http://articles.economictimes.indiatime ... nt-schemes

as of this week, the banks were NOT accepting Adhar as a proof of identity/address. But you could use it at UTI/NHDL outlets to apply for a PAN.

So every I go people ask for PAN id. I also saw lot of youngsters apply for it. Why is it not sufficient?

Govt gives all clear to Rs 6,790 cr-ID card project.

The mother of all identity cards — the multi-purpose ID smart card — to be issued to every resident will come at a price tag of Rs 6,790 crore. The home ministry has firmed up its plan to issue the ID card to over 84 crore people above 18 years and has moved the government for financial clearance.

The ID card will be the public face of the National Population Register (NPR) that will become a confidential database once it is finalised.

The NPR and the ID cards will get its unique character from Aadhaar, the Nandan Nilekani-led unique identity number project.

But a 64 kb embedded chip in the card will ensure that residents will not have to depend on internet connectivity for a machine to read the details.

A home ministry official said they wanted to avoid the dependence on internet connectivity to access or verify the identity of the card-holder.

This is a disadvantage that Aadhaar numbers may have to face, at least in the short run due to patchy mobile and internet connectivity in rural and remote areas.

Instead, a hand-held chip reader — the size of a credit card swipe reader — that costs about Rs 7,000, would be able to print the data on its small screen. This would include the photograph, pictures of two fingerprints and other demographic details such as date of birth, place of birth and the name of the resident’s father or mother. The card will have a validity of 10 years.

Home Ministry officials said they were projecting a cost of R80 per card including delivery on the basis of their experience in coastal areas.

“We have been able to reduce the postage charges by one-fourth, primarily because we will post the cards to families rather than individuals”.

Well two months down, no UID (Aadhaar No) in sight. I was told that they did not anticipate huge response and their data crunching facility is limited, besides other issues. MHA is very much opposing the idea. Though orders have been issues to incorporate columns for Aadhaar No in many beneficiaries oriented scheme's application forms. MGNREGA is also facing issues. Quality of finger prints in rural areas seem to be poor.

imo UID is dead in water. just like gcc , C and gdb though old never got kicked out by c++ or VC. PAN is the only thing most agencies accept other than passport and driving license.

the clowns in the GOI should first attempt some smaller task like reforming the pension admin (PF offices), their outdated book keeping norms , their outdated system of sending statements to companies once a year(!if you are lucky!), outdated way of transferring from account to account if you change jobs and corruption in seeking withdrawals. how would you like to have 20L in a PF account and no means to monitor if anyone is stealing from it? I hear they put siemens info systems (SISL) to work on automating and making user friendly the PF Admin but the project failed and was abandoned.

I have parked this for a while. Especially considering all the confusions reported in the media. I have a PAN Card and an Indian passport. Guess that is the best ID verification data I have with me. It has never failed me.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 583988.cms



So, by this idiotic logic, every ID card issued in India (Ration Card, Passport, Drivers License, etc), that can be obtained fraudulently, should be cancelled. You never know....

So, if there are indeed illegal aliens living in India, does one fine-tune the process of obtaining one or deny the benefits to the vast majority of legitimate citizens??

http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/truth- ... topstories

UID - The ongoing debate...

Pranay, UAID bill was never passed by Lok Sabha, so collection of biometric data of Indian citizens by foreign and indian private enterprises without legal sanction is illegal and these entities and people running it are liable to be prosecuted. All those who have got Aadhar cards have been duped into giving their fingerprints and iris scans without legal safeguards that this data wouldn't be sold to others or misused by the collection agency.

UID is just one tool in the toolbox of the technocrats to impose their technocratic dictatorship by treating all citizens as criminals and keeping them under 24/7/365 watch over them, so they cant rebel.

Anyone interested in being free from oppression of the technocrats should reject the Aadhaar card and not give in to the demands of the technocrats.

Parliamentary panel rejects UID Bill



http://www.moneylife.in/article/parliam ... 22083.html

Headlines Today exposes UID fraud in Delhi

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/head ... 70400.html

Fake doctor caught on camera authenticating application for UID number

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/fake ... 70408.html

MHA, Planning Commission tussle over UID project

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/mha- ... 70414.html

Chidambaram refutes tussle over UIDAI's Aadhar project

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/p.-c ... 70297.html

so the fabian solution is to merge Aadhar data with NPR thereby confering citizenship on non-citizens.

GD, some real data on the aadhar system. looks pretty good.

http://uidai.gov.in/images/FrontPageUpd ... 1_2012.pdf

.....

Biometric Accuracy

As of December 31st 2011, the UIDAI has true and tested statistics computed from real operational large-scale UIDAI system with the resident enrollment database size of 8.4 crore (84 million). It is unnecessary and inaccurate to attempt to infer UIDAI system performance from other systems which are ten to thousand times smaller. Specifically,

• Failure to Enroll(FTE) Rate: Zero. As a policy, every unique resident, regardless of their biometrics can be enrolled and issued Aadhaar number.
• Biometric Failure to Enrol Rate: 0.14%. This implies that 99.86% of the population can be uniquely identified by the biometric system. The exceptions (0.14%) however are de-duplicated using demographic data and checked manually for fraud. The legitimate cases among these are issued Aadhaar number.
• False Positive Identification Rate (FPIR): 0.057%. In practical terms, it means that at a run rate of 10 lakh enrolments a day, only about 570 cases need to be manually reviewed daily to ensure that no resident is erroneously denied an Aadhaar number. The UIDAI currently has a manual adjudication team that reviews and resolves these cases. After manual adjudication, there is a negligible number of legitimate residents who are wrongly denied an Aadhaar number
• False Negative Identification Rate (FNIR): 0.035%. This implies that 99.965% of all duplicates submitted to the biometric de-duplication system are correctly caught by the system as duplicates. Given that currently approximately 0.5% of enrolments are duplicate submissions, only a few thousand duplicate Aadhaars would possibly be issued when the entire country of 120 crores is enrolled.

The analysis resulting from such a large data set (8.4 crore records) is empirically repeatable and statistically accurate. There is no longer a need to rely on small sample size tests or hearsay from other projects. The UIDAI is now capable of measuring the accuracy, performance and scalability of the actual production system, which is already among the largest in the world. The results lay to rest unfounded claims that the underlying technology is untested, unreliable and based on unproven assumptions.

Based on the analysis, it can be stated with confidence that UIDAI enrollment system has proven to be reliable, accurate and scalable to meet the nation’s need of providing unique Aadhaar numbers to the entire population. It is now safe to conclude that the system will be able to scale to handle the entire population.

Why arrive at such conclusions? Combining UID and NPR is the most optimum way out, eliminating duplication and also reducing burden on citizens by having to register/produce data everything twice. Foreigners on student visas and work visas are given Social Security Numbers in US. Does that make them US citizens eligible to vote/get benefits etc? Proof of citizenship is passport. In case of UID/NPR they can just have a few columns in the database saying if the person is citizen/resident etc or not.

The IS angle is a new one. MHA wants to take over the program and implement it as aprt of the Census. Hence NN is not in favor and is getting brush off. I first heard about this a few months ago from soemone in the implementation group and brushed it off. Now its turning true.

Did you know UID has no legal basis? Data collected for Aadhar card has no legal standing. By taking such spurious data and putting it into NPR leads to a situation were even the NPR data becomes tainted by spurious data.

There wouldnt be any burden on the citizens in the first place if this Aadhar scheme had not been invented by technocrats like nandan and manmohan who want to have all citizens info in a private database accessible to them but paid for by the citizens.

Headlines today sting showed touts sellling cards for 50 rupees. why has legal action not been taken against these touts and Aadhar scheme managers for allowing such fake cards to be issued?




You are pointing to another fabian scheme and saying if its OK for america it should be OK for us. You never checked to see if its really working there or not. Let me show you its not working.

Illegal Immigrants Are Voting in American Elections


http://www.thecuttingedgenews.com/index.php?article=691


In India, Election commission recognizes Aadhar card as proof of citizenship by allowing people to vote using it as ID proof, that allows any illegal immigrant to vote and elect our political leaders.
Aadhar card can be id proof for Maha local bodies polls
http://www.moneycontrol.com/news/wire-n ... 22408.html



Which in turn allows the dubious Aadhar database to get a legal standing. There is no reason to put national security at risk by allowing a private body like Aadhar to confer citizenship rights on illegal immigrants. fabian congress would love to do so since it can have a captive votebank in the form of millions of illegal migrants from bangladesh who have settled in large parts of Assam, Bengal, Bihar and UP. When risks outweigh benefits its better to ditch such schemes.

Cabinet extends mandate of UIDAI to issue 40 crore more cards.

The Cabinet Committee on UIDAI on Friday extended the mandate of UIDAI to issue 40 crore more UID cards.
The cabinet approved the additional spending of Rs5,000 crore for issuing UID cards.

The UID will continue enrolling people in 16 states and Union Territories,while National Population Register will do the job in other states.UIDAI and National Population Register to complete enrolment by June, 2013.

Aadhaar-based subsidy outgo schedule likely.

Finance minister Pranab Mukherjee is set to outline a schedule for Aadhaar-based entitlements and cash disbursal of subsidies in the coming budget.

The Unique Identifiaction Authority of India (UIDAI) is expediting creation of platforms for implementing the model, likely to include coverage of the Public Distribution System and other areas of subsidy, and also government’s social sector schemes.

UIDAI chairman Nandan Nilekani on Tuesday said the government was considering the report of a panel he’d headed which had suggested a nationwide, Aadhar-based network for delivery of PDS.

He added at a workshop on ‘Aadhaar enabled service delivery’ that UIDAI was trying to create strong platforms in the areas of financial inclusion in association with banks; cash disbursal of subsidy for petroleum products, including cooking gas, with oil marketing companies; online verification with the help of Aakash computer tablets in coordination with the department of education, and mobile know-your-customer enforcement rules with the help of the department of telecom.

“The next stage of application would be driven by working in very close partnership with the stakeholders,” said Nilekani. Adding the Aadhar-based wage delivery experience, currently on in Jharkhand as a pilot project, needed to be scaled up through the country.

He noted total entitlements and subsidies of the government of India was around Rs 3,00,000 crore in a year. “If we can really take all the entitlements and subsidies and payment on the Aadhar platform, to make sure they go directly to either their bank accounts or entitlement accounts, and then create a distribution channel so that people get their entitlements on time, wherever they are...this will be a huge change and this is not something which will take a lot of time,” he added.

UIDAI is packaging this on the basis of the Jharkhand experience. “Over the next 12 months, we have to roll this out in our partner states, so that benefits could reach the identified beneficiaries. The kind of architecture we are proposing will empower people to have choice and will also allow convergence of different programmes,” said Nilekani.

I have been saying this for a long time.

Assuming 30 Crore people under BPL it works out to be Rs 50,000 per year for a family of 5. That is how INC comes to power.

This is why the "Butter Vs Guns" myth has to be maintained by the (sic) secular NGOs; else people ask to invest this money in more productive sectors leading to permanent poverty alleviation programs.

So public money will be distributed based on a private corporation run people's database which doesn't even check whether the said person is a citizen or not. Soon people not in the good books of this private corporation will find themselves ineligible for basic govt services and subsidies. Truly a corporate run technocratic dictatorship.

UIDAI launches online ID authentication service.

The Unique Identification Authority of India (UIDAI) on Tuesday launched an online service for authentication of Aadhaar or unique identity numbers. This will help banks, telecom companies and government departments authenticate the identity of an Indian resident through any device connected to the internet.

The authentication service will be free of charge till December 2013, and will turn into a paid service in 2014.

It is likely to become a paid service in 2014 for agencies such as telcos, insurance and oil marketing companies who may want to use the 12-digit Aadhaar number for authentication of customers.

''The rollout of these services will help people see the tangible benefits of Aadhaar,'' said UIDAI chairman Nandan Nilekani on Tuesday. ''This will be a turning point.''

He hoped that over the next 12 months, as he woos a variety of service delivery agencies to start using the UIDAI's authentication system, the 20 crore people who have already been issued Aadhaar numbers would start to see some practical use of the process.

"It will ease and speed up the process to get scholarships, bank accounts, LPG connections, etc," Nilekani said.

''We will formulate a mechanism and fix a charge post December 2013. Till that time it is free," said R S Sharma, director general of UIDAI.

Meanwhile other departments of the government will be roped in through the national e-governance plan. "Aadhaar number can be used via secure authentication through mobile phones, for accessing various services such as scholarships, land records, birth and caste certificates," said Ajay Sawhney, chief executive officer of the e-governance division of the ministry of communications and information technology.

The delegates at Tuesday's workshop on Aadhaar enabled service delivery at which these announcements were made included government officials administering a vast range of benefit schemes, as well as representatives of banks, financial institutions and the telecom and insurance industries.

The UIDAI team is trying to convince them that whether it's the state-run public distribution system (PDS) eyeing a shift to cash transfers, an MGNREGA (employement guarantee scheme) payment or an application for a mobile SIM card, the procedures would be streamlined by using Aadhaar's global online authentication services.

Delegates were invited to register their interest in being declared 'authentic user agencies' and 'authentication service agencies'.

1) UID has no legal standing cos it started out as an experimental pilot project to test its feasibility and now after some pretty encouraging results, it will be introduced as a bill in parliament and be made as a law, so no need to bother about its legality/illegality

2) 'Spurious data' How do you define that? What makes you think that the UID collection scheme is more spurious than NPR data collection scheme or for that matter how do you explain the illegal ration cards being doled out by election contestants to illegal slum dwellers? Corruption/spurious data collection is an institutional cancer and it should not be a reason to prevent roll out of more transparent and automated data collection and citizens' benefits distribution schemes. Development needs to go hand in hand. BTw, n the last cabinet meeting, UID has aggreed to raise its data collection standards to NPR data collection standards.



Well its time, citizens start bearing some responsibility towards changing times and technologies rather than still relying on an angootha chaap. (As if the present angootha chaap system is addressing your concerns any better) These are the growing pangs of UID/NPR. Once established, registration for future generations will become a lot easier. For e.g. by using his NPR/UID number a person could pay tax, get a passport, get pension, vote etc etc, A mother needs to go through a painful delivery for a wonderful child to be born. Who told you its a private database btw? Data collection scheme is private i know, but how did you conclude the data is sitting in some private companies server? AFAIK, data is stored in a government database and is well secured. Why are you against technocrats running the system? Nitish Kumar is a technocrat too 60 years of government being run by babus hasnt done much, so lets give a chance to the technocrats now



Same rhetoric. UID/NPR is more about the number than the card. Plus NPR card has multiple security schemes like hologram, data chip etc. Did you ever think what happens when a fake card/number is presented to the authorities? The number is compared with the database and a fake number would generate no results, so thats all that that 50 Rs card can do. Dikhawe pe na jaao People also claim to sell fake driver IDs and fake passports at RPOs. Best of luck trying to use them! Finally, just because touts sell fake stuff is no reason to stop roll out of UID/NPR. The roll out of NPR/UID does prevent these ghost identities as data collection is more thorough, so your statements are self contradictory.



Boss, I was just giving an example of a similar system and how they differentiate between citizens and non citizens. From reading your article, it seems not recognising an illegal voter was more of a fault of the election officer at the polling booth to not have thoroughly checked the voter's details against the system than a failure of the SSN number itself. The good thing is that UID/NPR is better than the SSN system and since multiple proofs of identity is collected before assigning him the number, it will make it harder to do a fake impersonification in elections etc. You are constantly harping on the same fact that UID/NPR has risk of fake documents being doled out. UID/NPR has a greater target of enabling better PDS, transparency and also as an enabler of reduction in fake identities. How about this analogy:-- There is widespread circulation of fake rupee notes in india, Does that mean we stop usign paper currency? Every system has its pros and cons. If the new system works in 99.999% cases, compared to the present system that works for 60%. then we move to the new system. Citizen data collection and public distribution schemes in india need to evolve from the present 18th century technologies to tackle new challenges of illegal immigration, terrorism, rising population and I am full in favor of it. Fear of self-imagined ghosts should not be a reason to keep the system stuck in its present state of coma. As and when the UID/NPR system faces challenges, so will it evolve.



Mostly same old ranting about private databases, illegal stuff so wont reply again.

Without law being passed public funds cant be allocated to private corporations, do you understand this part? This whole UID scheme is illegal based on this single fact that no parliamentary sanction[will of the people] was taken.

If these unconstitutional acts are allowed to take place then there is no meaning of having elections to elect parliamentarians to make laws to govern us. Any 2-bit businessman can use his influence with PM to get public money to fund his pet pilot project.


Spurious means Fake data. 100 rupees can get you a UID card, what more proof do you need UID is incapable as a system to be used to confirm identify of a person.


NPR is legal body backed by parliamentary law which entails punishment for using spurious data to create an identity, unilke UID which is being run without any legal oversight. No arrest have been made as of yet even after fake UID cards were issued for money.


ration cards are not proof of citizenship, neither does NPR issue them.

What's your point anyway? Just because fake ration cards have been issued we should allow fake UID to be issued too?


UID is not a transparent data collection system. Fake identities have been created and no action has been taken remove those. How do you explain this?


After millions of identities have been created now they are upgrading their standards to NPR, how convienient.

Are they gonna recheck all those million identities for false identities? I guess no, that makes UID data still unrelaible and worthless. Waste of public funds which benefits only one company, did anyone say corruption?

Folks here are missing one important point. Regardless of whether the data is spurious or not, the scammer will find it close to impossible to dupe the system with multiple identities and entitlements. What is the saving from having this governance issue resolved?

100 rupees can get a scammer a fake UID card which makes him eligible for all sorts of entitlements from free food to money for healthcare.

Now the scammer can use this fake UID as identity proof to open bank account and get his entitlement credited to his bank account as being done in jharkhand.

Soon there will be millions of fake UIDs and millions of rupees looted while needy people who deserve the benefit of govt schemes will be left empty handed.

I do not believe the Fake UID theory at all. FAR is miniscule for close to 100mn enrollments and it is near impossible. The card itself that is being hawked might be fake (i.e. not issued by UIDAI), but how will the chap bypass the biometric verification while claiming the benefits?

what is there not to believe? a private news channel during an sting operation managed to obtain them, a real UID card with spurious data
http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/fake ... 70408.html

and even terrorists have managed to get fake UID card issued, shows total failure of UID scheme
MP cops recover fake UID card from SIMI activist

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/mp-co ... ti/802406/

Why should citizens pay one company [Infosys] millions to get better govt services? If govt wanted private corporations to get involved in bettering delivery system of govt schemes then there should have been a open tender , which would allow other private enterprises to compete and come with better technology solutions. UID reeks of corruption and nepotism.



mungerilal ke haseen sapne... future generations will curse us if they find themselves governed by a system which uses dubious UID data as a means to deliver govt services or as proof of identity.




Biometric data collected by UID is open to 3 private MNC's Accenture, L-1 Identity Solutions and Morpho. Data can be copied, tampered with or sold to foreign espionage agencies by any one of these companies. This is a major national security risk which directly affects the lives of millions.



Nitish is a politician not a technocrat. People like manmohan and nandan are technocrats, blind believers in science as solution to all problems. they are slaves of foreign institutes like Aspen which dictate policy and these puppets implement their master's agenda to usher in a globalist state ruled by a scientific dictatorship.




I am talking about UID/Adhaar and you touting the benefits of NPR.




And your own example proved you wrong.




Let me repeat again. UID accepts spurious data without checking the facts , neither it has legal backing, dont compare it with NPR. You keep talking of NPR without responding to failings of UID.



Shows your lack of comprehension. If a fake identity can be created under UID what use is this multi-million rupee unique identity checking system? Its an absolute waste of public funds. Understood? Dont make this an personal affair by attacking others by your pseudo-psycho analysis.



So national security risk of illegals obtaining Indian citizenship is ranting to you? Just because you cant comprehend or dont want to acknowledge these serious shortcomings of UID wont make them disappear. Next time come with better arguments to defend your position of wasting public funds to enrich few individuals, one-liners wont do.

VikramD, you have missed the point. You can get ONE card on a fake name, try getting another in your OWN name with the SAME biometrics. Clearly, your misapprehensions of the project are greater than the facts on hand. We should have this discussion whenever you clearly understand this point. No one is defending the lack of validation of the demographic data, but with a single person's biometric data, it is unlikely that a person will get TWO or more cards.

marten, if there is no verification during issuing, millions of illegals currently living in India can get a UID card and be eligible to receive money under various govt schemes. why would they try for a second card when the first one already gives them benefits?

Pilferage in all these welfare schemes is not committed by folks taking two portions - it is by folks NOT receiving even their single portion. The goal here is to reduce the theft by middlemen - once that is done, we can focus on citizenship etc. Of 300,000cr in entitlements and benefits, do you think illegals getting a dole out of turn is our real problem?