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ASPuar wrote:The same day, a bunch of Uttar Pradesh police constables posted with the RTO beat a truck driver to death for not paying them 500 rupees more as bribe.
Are you sure that they were constables from the Uttar Pradesh Police? In many states RTO and Police are two different organisations, and have different recruitments. So was this a case of RTO staff manhandling the poor driver?
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^^ Yes, as per Prakash Singh, ex-DGP of BSF..

He( Prakash Singh) was on CNN-IBN yesterday on this topic and when Rajdeep repeatedly mentioned that the police did this, he mentioned that it was RTO guys and not police. When Rajdeep still didn't agree pointing to visuals etc, he mentioned that he had personally spoken to the SP of that area and his news was authentic.. :)

Not to say that the UP police folks are embodiment of godliness but still just clarifying..
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sum wrote:Not to say that the UP police folks are embodiment of godliness but still just clarifying..
Exactly. There are worse stories about the UP Police (IIRC it was UP Police who had tied a pick pocket to a motor cycle and dragged him along). And the people were cheering the police. And that gave credence to the belief that police (being drawn from the same society, which it polices) would show some of the mentality of the society at large.
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^^ What Prakash Singh was mentioning was that the main problem stems from the British era type constable recruitment schemes by holding "camps" where there is nothing checked other than physical attributes( no check on aptitude, ability etc) and these same guys are the first point of contact with the public leading to severe problems. Also, 90% of the attendees mention that their only reason to come is to have the sense of power in their village/mohalla etc which leads to obvious problems later.
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sum wrote:^^ What Prakash Singh was mentioning was that the main problem stems from the British era type constable recruitment schemes by holding "camps" where there is nothing checked other than physical attributes( no check on aptitude, ability etc).
Interesting point. The constables, head-constables (during the British Raj, and even later on) was mostly noted for their ability to hit back at people, or use brute force to get their task done (be it lathi charge or thrashing a person to pulp in the lockup). So clearly this was a case of more brawn than brain. It was the Sub-Inspectors who actually did some course in the laws and regulations and authorised to do all the paper work. Even today only a Sub-Inspector (or above) can file a charge sheet in the court of law. All folks below him, are only fit to do the grunt job.
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Suspended Gujarat IPS officer Sanjiv Bhatt arrested
GANDHINAGAR: Suspended IPS officer Sanjiv Bhatt, who had implicated Gujarat CM Narendra Modi in the 2002 riots, was arrested by the Gandhinagar police on Friday.

Bhatt was arrested for forcing a constable to file a false affidavit supporting his claim that he was present in the meeting of CMs where Modi asked police to go slow during 2002 riots.
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Umm.. I dont know... where are RTO "Constables" drawn from? Are they under police control? Are they policemen on deputation?
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^^ They have their own cadre of uniformed service. Khaki onlee. Starts from Motor Vehicle inspectors in various grades up to Regional Transport Officers. Some might come on deputations from Police but not always.
Similar pattern is observed in Excise Dept.
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chaanakya wrote:^^ They have their own cadre of uniformed service. Khaki onlee. Starts from Motor Vehicle inspectors in various grades up to Regional Transport Officers. Some might come on deputations from Police but not always.
Similar pattern is observed in Excise Dept.
Atleast what I have seen in Kerala. The Motor Vehicle Department recruits people, in the entry level grades right upto the rank of Asst. Motor Vehicle Inspector (eq: SI of Police). The MVIs are promotees from AMVIs. The senior cadre is filled on deputation, by IPS officers seconded from the State police.

Excise has their own recruitment initiatives, but they are trained at the Police Academy only. Here again, senior officers (above SPs) would be from the state cadre of IPS. Ranks below that would be filled by promotees from Excise Sub Inspector, Excise Inspector etc.
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Sachin wrote:
chaanakya wrote:^^ They have their own cadre of uniformed service. Khaki onlee. Starts from Motor Vehicle inspectors in various grades up to Regional Transport Officers. Some might come on deputations from Police but not always.
Similar pattern is observed in Excise Dept.
Atleast what I have seen in Kerala. The Motor Vehicle Department recruits people, in the entry level grades right upto the rank of Asst. Motor Vehicle Inspector (eq: SI of Police). The MVIs are promotees from AMVIs. The senior cadre is filled on deputation, by IPS officers seconded from the State police.

Excise has their own recruitment initiatives, but they are trained at the Police Academy only. Here again, senior officers (above SPs) would be from the state cadre of IPS. Ranks below that would be filled by promotees from Excise Sub Inspector, Excise Inspector etc.
That is what I meant. These ranks are manned by Dept cadre personnel. Police officers are generally not sent on deputation to excise or RTO. Some may go as Transport Comm but that is unlikely unless politically connected as Demi Gods have these as their cadre posts. Kerala may be an exception.
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So whats the real story here?

Former top cop freed in Shivani murder case
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ramana wrote:Former top cop freed in Shivani murder case
Not an answer to the original question. But I remember reading an article on Tihar prison and its famous inmates. And R.K Sharma figured in there (along with such noble folks like Fruit talk, A King etc.). It seems R.K Sharma was inconsolable for three days when he as brought in as a prisoner and put in a cell in Tihar. And this also proved a myth/belief that any person who did not have food from Tihar prison when they visited the prison; would soon land up their as a prisoner. R.K Sharma when in the service, had visited the place but did not have food from the prison canteen.
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Sachin wrote: etc.). It seems R.K Sharma was inconsolable for three days when he as brought in as a prisoner and put in a cell in Tihar. And this also proved a myth/belief that any person who did not have food from Tihar prison when they visited the prison; would soon land up their as a prisoner.
I feel so relieved.
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Acquitting this RK Sharma is akin to freeing the man who pulled the trigger and putting the gun in jail. The state should appeal against this rather arbitrary HC order.

Sachin: What is Fruit Talk??
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Kanimozhi!
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Woman CEO maligns female colleague on Net, detained
MUMBAI: Cybercrime is usually perceived as the province of depraved men. But a disturbing trend has come to light of late. Increasingly, women are resorting to online tactics to achieve some nefarious end.

Recently, the woman CEO of a multinational corporation's India operations was detained by the police for cyber-harassment of a co-worker in HR - also a woman.

The CEO, aged 43, posted derogatory remarks about the HR executive, aged 39, on a consumer website to malign her. She described the victim as a sex pest who eyed newly recruited young men and was also "having a good time with a former employee", said an officer with the police's cyber crime investigation cell. The CEO was traced through the IP address from where the posts were made.
The CEO broke down at the police station. "She found herself in front of the victim, who she could not look in the eye. She even had tears," the officer said. "In a written apology, she said she was jealous as the victim was getting quick promotions. So, she started writing online posts, the website being one that is visited by private companies, to do background checks on potential recruits. She wanted the management to take note of the posts and initiate action against the victim." She was later let off.


I think it does make a point , made by many members of brf. Personally derogatory comments are criminally liable under IT Laws and could be termed as cyber crime. Here that CEO( who happened to be woman maligning another woman) was made to apologise in writing but things may change for better as Police equip themselves with knowledge in dealing with such cases.
Good job by Police.


ps: A restrained approach to make personal comments would ease Moderators job considerably.
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Really? I cant imagine any law making a simple argument with someone on the internet illegal.

However, in a case like the one above, I suppose there may be some criminal provisions which MIGHT apply, though more likely it can only be resolved via civil suit under the Law of Torts.


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Added Later:

Interesting. I did some research on the statute pertaining to online defamation.

In the above case, I suppose that s. 509 IPC (Word, Gesture, or Act intended to outrage the modesty of a woman), and s. 507, (Criminal intimidation by an anonymous communication) may apply.

Additionally, of course, if defamation is proved under law of torts, then s. 500 IPC can impose a penalty of up to 2 years imprisonment.
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ASPuar wrote:Really? I cant imagine any law making a simple argument with someone on the internet illegal.
What IT act does is to make contents in digital format, or electronic media or internet admissible in the court of Law. Such contents are now on par with those of printed materials or spoken words which could be attributed to someone and that someone is then responsible for the content.

So while simple argument might not be libelous but materials which could be libelous or covered under torts could now be dealt with under various sections of IPC and CrPC and other laws.

Once the problem of attribution is solved by tracing IP/MAC addresses and linked to definite person or his compute/mobile/electronic devices under his control, Police would be able to deal with it effectively.
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Interesting...
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X-POsted from IA Thread: I recently found this news snippet.

For those who had been following the Pune Command Hospital Case, I found this "last word" on it:

http://www.mid-day.com/news/2011/oct/05 ... ed-him.htm
Medicine supplier says Command Hospital cheated him
By: Vivek Sabnis
Date: 2011-10-05
Place: Pune

Claims defence officials harassing him, not clearing his dues

A Medicine wholesaler and distributor has alleged that the Command Hospital has cheated him. He claims defence officials have been harassing him and have not cleared his dues for a year. Kannan Nambiar, the medicine supplier, also said that even after having lodged a complaint with the Wanawadi police station in this regard, the police were not helping him in the case.


Nambiar said he now plans to approach anti-corruption crusader Anna Hazare and is thinking of filing a defamation suit in the sessions court for the sake of the reputation of his Chinchwad-based company.

"I have been blacklisted from the Command Hospital because I refused to give an extra commission of 10 per cent in advance for an air-conditioner and a refrigerator for getting the order and passing of bills. I have not been given any supply order since June 2010," Nambiar said. "I was also manhandled at the Command Hospital. No action was taken by the local Wanawadi police in spite of an NC being registered."

He added that a case filed by the CBI was pending in the sessions court. "On my complaint the CBI raided the Command Hospital on December 3, 2010. The CBI also filed a report with the Wanawadi police about the misconduct on the part of the hospital officials. The case filed by CBI is still pending before the sessions court in Pune," he said.

Nambiar said he had also filed an RTI query on the purchase of medicines from various suppliers, but it was rejected by the hospital. "My RTI application was denied by stating that the information was confidential and needs permission from the higher authorities," he said. A cheating case was also filed against Nambiar for allegedly furnishing a duplicate authorisation letter of a company.

"The company, however, confirmed to me that it was an authorised stockist," Nambiar said. Lt Col P Mohan, medical officer of the Command Hospital, had also filed a complaint with the Food and Drug Administration, Pune, charging Nambiar with supplying spurious drugs to Command hospital medical stores. "Drug Inspector R V Pongle, however, reported that the medicines were good quality," Nambiar said.

The other side
Major General Panwar rubbished Nambiar's charges. "Nambiar is trying to defame the hospital. There is not a single paisa pending of payment of bills. The FDA case is still going on as one of the drugs supplied by Nambiar was substandard and, therefore, he has been banned from supplying drugs to our hospital. There was no CBI raid, but they visited the hospital and found nothing," said Panwar. "We are government servants and answerable to court and the government. The case of forged documents is still pending." The Wanawadi police said Kannan was making baseless allegations after army officers filed a cheating case against him for forging documents. Police Inspector Bajirao Mohite, in-charge of Wanawadi police station, said: "Army officials have registered a case of cheating against Kannan for forging documents. We are in the process of submitting a chargesheet in this regard. Kannan's allegations that we did not act on his complaint are baseless. Firstly, he has not filed any complaint of manhandling against army officers recently"
Basically, Kannanji has been making baseless allegations because he was blacklisted. And now his goose is about to be cooked.
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Also, you will recall that the early reports had been that CBI was in cahoots with this man, while Pune Police commissioner (an IG rank officer) had denied all reports of army manhandling, etc.
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This case makes me so angry... What is even more baffling is that the police refused to file a case until the day after the accident, despite eyewitnesses coming forward to give testimony. If the media hadnt taken an interest, the whole case would have been swept under the carpet.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... .cms#write
Gurgaon BMW road rage case: Car owner's son surrenders
NDTV Correspondent | Updated: May 15, 2012 10:49 IST

Gurgaon: 10 days after Gurgaon resident Kshama Chopra and her driver were killed by a speeding BMW on May 5, the son of the car's owner has finally surrendered.

Suraj Singh Sherawat, son of the owner Devender Sherawat, surrendered today in a court, said Maheshwar Dayal, Deputy Commissioner of Police (East). Earlier, the driver Rajesh alias Raju surrendered in the local court on Saturday.

Sanjay Sethi and a pregnant woman, Kshama Chopra Shetye died in the accident, while three persons were injured. Kshama Chopra who was pregnant was returning after a routine medical check-up along with her husband and his parents when the Tata Indigo they were travelling in was hit by the speeding BMW.

Man claims he was driving BMW that killed pregnant woman
After the incident, the 'driver' of the BMW ran away while another person in the car, Dakhsh Jaiswal, seriously injured was admitted in the hospital.

The owner of the BMW, Devender Sehrawat had claimed that his driver, Rajesh alias Raju was driving the vehicle when the mishap occurred. However, sources say it could be a cover up to save Mr Sehrawat's son. Initially it was reported that his son was at the wheel, when the gruesome accident happened on May 5.

Kshama's husband is still in the ICU with multiple fractures. His father suffered a broken backbone; his mother too is battling for her life in hospital.

Outraged over the alleged police inaction, Kshama's family and friends have set up a signature campaign demanding justice for her. A petition on website www.thepetition.com asks for people to sign up and demand urgent action and investigation in the case.
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http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city ... 160365.cms

Techie loses hands, eyesight in blast
TNN | May 16, 2012, 07.47AM IST


RAJAHMUNDRY: A software engineer from Bangalore lost both his hands and eyesight in an explosion on Tuesday when he was allegedly making a time bomb in his brother-in-law's house.
Police suspect he was making the bomb for carrying out subversive activities. Police are figuring out whether he was involved with any extremist group or Maoists.

The victim, identified as Ake Jagadeesh, was found in a pool of blood by the cops who broke open the main door of the house which was locked from outside. Sources said Jagadeesh was loading sulphur, phosphate and small rods into a gelatine stick and soldering them into a cable amplifier box.

"It resulted in sparks, that probably caused the explosion ," sources said. In the impact of the explosion he lost both his hands and eyesight . He was rushed to the Kakinada government hospital in a critical condition.
Police found a timer lying close to the small iron rods. Rajahmundry urban SP Ravikumar Murthy said they were probing the blast from all possible angles, including Maoist connection. He said it was perplexing that the techie was making use of a timer, gelatine sticks and other explosive materials. A bomb disposal squad and clues teams also rushed to the blast spot.

The explosion happened between 2-2 .30 pm on the ground floor of the two-storied building in Tilak Road. Locals heard a deafening sound and rushed to the building and immediately alerted the cops. The police found the door locked from outside.

Sources said Jagadeesh came to his brother-in-law's house from Bangalore two days ago. At the time of the incident his brother-in-law Ramakrishna, a cable operator , was not in the house.
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Not a very interesting or "Sherlock Holmes" style case, but thought would make a note of it here.

CPI(M) in Kerala, in defensive mode after a murder
A communist who was with CPI(M) and later moved out over idealogical differences and formed up another party of his own (Revolutionary Marxist Party). T.P Chandrasekharan was a popular leader in the the Vadakara area (Kozhikode Rural Dt.). Even though attempts were made to pull him into Congress party he refused and remained closer to communist idealogies.

This person was ambushed by a few people in the night and hacked to death. The incident happened last week. Vadakara lies very close to Kannur district and Mahe, which are known for murders because of political problems. The CPI(M) immediately came up with statements that it was not involved in this murder and this may have been done by some terrorist organisation.


CPI-M local committee member, four others held for TP murder
CPI-M leader held for Kerala murder
Those caught were only minnows : Mullapally
TP murder: Protest meet held despite party's warning

After a week:-
1. It is found that CPI(M) leaders are indeed involved. Two local leaders have already been picked up. Police tight lipped on who else in the higher levels are being watched.
2. The commies earlier used to do the murders them selves. There used to be squads for such killings, and people introduced later as those who did the crime. These volunteers would goto jail, but the party gives their family enough money to live a decent life. The actual killing squads just continued their activities. But here, the commies gave the contract to a "quotation gang" (killers for payment) and they actually did the ground work. It was also planned that the gang would have non-commie members. The vehicle they used had stickers with words from the Quran, perhaps trying to bring in a "terrorist organisation" angle to it as well.
3. The person who would postively identify the victim was a commie local party worker, who was close to the victim. Infact the identification was done by the commie, giving an invite letter for his "house warming" to the victim. It was this fellow who first broke down during the police interrogation and started whining.
4. The police now have recovered the vehicles and weapons used for the murder. Looks like the police have identified all the small fishes in the game, and slowly going behind the bigger fishes after getting all possible evidence. Mobile phone records seems to be the favourite weapon.
5. The police are of the opinion that the plan for this murder was done months in advance, with some discussions even being done at Central Prison Kannur where a sizeable number of commie goons are lodged. The next level planning happened during the marriage ceremony of the daughter of a commie goon who conveniently was on parole at that time.

The police seems to be playing the game according to the books here ;). No hype using the media. No one giving unneccessary statements. Multiple teams formed each working on its own targets. People picked up without media glare, taken to a un-disclosed place (for the media) and interrogated. Then taken for a medical examination, and produced before the court. Police only applying for "police custody" for key people who they want to talk to. Others are all remanded to judicial custody (and goes to sub-jail).
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Kerala seems such a peaceful and civilised place... astonishing that it is a hotbed of such violent politics
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I remember being in Trivandrum for work a couple of years ago... was invited to some semi official function (communist govt was in power). Some fellow, allegedly chairperson of the state planning commission was giving a speech. And by god, what a speech it was! Replete with stuff like "the armed forces and the bureaucracy must be destroyed from within! Only then can the socialist revolution take hold in this country". Frankly, I was amazed that a supposedly responsible post holder was saying things like this, and that too at a state govt organised event.
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More on the "T.P Murder case"..
More Arrests, CPI(M) under pressure (Mathrubhumi: Malayalam)
Arrested folks include an erst-while Branch Secretary as well as the current Area Committee Secretary of Koothuparamba (Kannur Dt.).

Would have to defend our-selves: CPI(M) (Mathrubhumi: Malayalam)
The CPI(M) District Secretariat at Kozhikodesay that if commies are targetted like this, they would have to start defending themselves {read this as a veilied threat, and orders for commie goons to start rioting}. And the police would be the only people responsible for the problems after that. In a few cases a few commies were targetted by groups of people and beaten up. Some commies also found their homes vandalised.

ASPuar wrote:Kerala seems such a peaceful and civilised place... astonishing that it is a hotbed of such violent politics
:). Even many Mallus would readily (and perhaps discreetly) admit that the level of civilised-ness and decency etc. are very superficial in Kerala. The trend in Kerala is that any one can do any crime or illegal activity until they get caught. If they get caught then the whole society takes a very morally upright stance and pretty much character assassinate the people who were stupid to get caught.

The violent politics is actually restricted to a very few places in Kerala. The main area is Kannur Dt. (North Kerala). Then comes areas like Nadapuram, Vadakara etc. which are on the Kozhikode, Kannur Dt. border. Next in line would be Kodungallur in the coastal region of Thrissur Dt. And generally it is the commies who are on one side of the fights. I guess the areas mentioned remain such cess-pools mainly because of the trend to euologise these murders and the criminals behind it. The concept of a martyr, a untiring warrior, man-hood, fighting against injustice are all associated with these crimes, thus giving it a positive spin. Please note that very many people from such areas make a living in other parts of South India. These folks who can injustice at every nook and corner, keep their mouth shut when they are NOT on their home grounds.
Replete with stuff like "the armed forces and the bureaucracy must be destroyed from within! Only then can the socialist revolution take hold in this country".
Might be a commie from an older generation, who would be seeing a CIA agent at every corner in the streets of Kerala :). Today the commie leaders do not want any socialist revolution, all they want is money and unlimited power. The dreams are of a Kerala, like Joseph Stalin's USSR. Lucikly the characters like you mentioned only have limited power,as their theatrics only work in Kerala.
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Latest on T.P Chandrasekharan murder case..

CPI(M) in Kerala is all the more on the defensive as the party cadre's involvement in this gruesome murder is now pretty much obvious. The party which earlier claimed that it has nothing to hide and is in no way connected with the murder has now landed with egg on its face.

Commies holding Area Committee and Local Committee level positions have been identified as the brains behind the murder. Two of them have already been arrested and now in police custody. The police have arrested one person who was actually involved in the murder. This fellow was picked up from Mysore with due help from the Intelligence wing of Karnataka Police. It was the arrest of this person which revealed more grue some details.

The police had found out the vehicle which was used by the murderers. In it was blood stains. They confirmed that it was not the victim's blood stains. This gave them a clue that one of the murderers had also got injured and have lost some blood. They checked up with near by hospitals and found that one chap had been brought in (by two CPI(M) leaders) as a "motor accident case". The commie cadre who had transported two of the gang members to a party office in Koothuparamba also confirmed that one of them had a bandaged hand.

The fellow picked up from Mysore is such a die-hard commie that he even had the "Sickle, Hammer and Star" tattooed to his fore-arm.

With the investigation getting more agressive, the leader of the gang who is in hiding have started sending signals that he is willing to surrender provided that the police assure him that he would not be beaten up :P ;). Police men now watch court premises so that he can be picked up if he tries to surrender there.

In another case being investigated by CBI, two CPI(M) leaders are facing charges of criminal conspiracy. They had got killed a Mr. Fasal who moved from CPI(M) to NDF. In this case the very same leaders now got arrested had blamed RSS for the murder :eek:.

The commies have now switched over to the standard tactic of rabble rousing and holding of protest marches against the investigation and arrests of the leaders.

News reports..
Fasal murder case. Anticipatory bail please postponed
The judge notes that CBI has every right to arrest the duo, if they feel so.
TP murder: Some of the accused flee Kerala
Party villages may be raided
This has started. Men from Armed Police battalions (from other districts) have been brought in.
Look-out notice issued for CPM activist
Karat blames media campaign
What else is expected..?
Will not allow CBI to arrest the accused in Fasal case: Jayarajan (Mathrubhumi:Malayalam)
Leaders in Police Custody for 14 days (Mathrubhumi: Malayalam)
People not satisfied with police investigation should approach the court: VS
What should be noted here is Comrade VS is from CPI(M) and the "people not satisfied with police investigation" are his own party men from Kannur district, Kerala ;).
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Indian state sanctions shooting of poachers
The state government of Maharashtra in India has directed its forest guards to shoot animal poachers - a move that's attracted support from some conservation organisations.
While the focus on illegal poaching is noble and timely, am not sure about this method. To put things in perspective, with this move, the punishment for poaching is more severe compared to bride burning, raping a minor & killing somebody while driving when drunk. "Encounter" killings are illegal.

What if the police get it wrong? The person is now dead.

It gives a carte-blance to the police to kill somebody *suspected* of poaching. In our country where accountability and oversightis poor, the opportunities of misuse are frightening.e.g. whats to stop the police carting of a person into the forest and shooting him/her claiming the person(s) were poaching.
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While the focus on illegal poaching is noble and timely, am not sure about this method. To put things in perspective, with this move, the punishment for poaching is more severe compared to bride burning, raping a minor & killing somebody while driving when drunk. "Encounter" killings are illegal.

What if the police get it wrong? The person is now dead.

It gives a carte-blance to the police to kill somebody *suspected* of poaching. In our country where accountability and oversightis poor, the opportunities of misuse are frightening.e.g. whats to stop the police carting of a person into the forest and shooting him/her claiming the person(s) were poaching.
The latter half is a very fair point I hadn't considered, but can't compare it to drunk driving, etc. Those are all punishments given by a court after a suspect has been apprehended whereas this new approval is closer to a self defence law enacted on behalf of animals.

With the prevalence of corruption I guess you have a good point regardless, so it depends on how endangered the animal is and how much evidence they will need to justify a killing after the fact.
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Well, I would be pretty careful in saying Kerala is a peaceful place. It has its share of arrogance and atrocities since the days of naxals and communism, and communal-ism [specifically minority triggered].
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Breaking now on TV News: MM Mani, Idukki district secy of CPIM caught saying to his cadres.. "We are in the habit of killing our enemies, and we will kill again"
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http://ibnlive.in.com/news/mani-talks-k ... 0-116.html
Mani Talks: Kin of slain Congressman to move HC


THODUPUZHA: The kin of Anjery Baby, a Congressman who was killed in 1982 allegedly for political reasons, is planning to move the High Court in the wake of remarks made by CPM’s Idukki secretary M M Mani.
Baby’s brother Anjery Benny said a Cong mandalam president at Senapathy in Idukki, a case was registered against a few persons, including the then CPM local sec P N Mohandas. However, Mohandas was absolved of charges for lack of evidence and owing to political pressure, he said. Baby, was killed allegedly by his political foes on Nov 13, 1982, following the Assembly election.
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Fearing a backlash from YSR Congress workers, near curfew like conditions were clamped by police in all major towns and cities
I see this fear is based on the political system and goonda-police-babu culture or can I say "caste". GoPoBa caste is the highest elite caste in our country. They get all the preference, and their number #1 behavior that identifies this caste is corruption, followed by rowdyism and gang system.

And who says we have higher caste people not ruling the down trodden castes? our system continues to perish and decay under these cult.
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Jagan and his family arrested by CBI. reports TV News.
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More on the communist violence in Kerala.

After the murder of a communist party worker who moved out of CPI(M), the commies had planned to call for small meetings explaining the party's stand on dealing with people who have moved out of the party etc. etc. This cause another big embarassment for the party as M.M Mani a party office-bearer from the Munnar area made a statement in a public rally which was also covered by the media. In a fiery speach M.M Mani openly stated that the party maintains a kind of hit-list. And in the past (1980-1990) the party had silenced three Congress workers, 1 by shooting him down, 2 by beating a person to death; and 3 stabbing the person. He stated that after these activities the Congress workers had to literally request the commies to even wear Khadar/Khadi clothes (a kind of pre-requisite for every Congress man in Kerala).

The state government first got a legal opinion that whether old cases can be open up again after Mani's recent statement. After getting a positive response the police is now drawing up all the old case files and begin all over again with a new FIR.

News reports:-
CPM central leadership seeks explanation over Mani's statement (Mathrubhumi:English)
New case filed against M.M Mani (Mathrubhumi: Malayalam)
Police using third degree methods, alleges CPM (Mathrubhumi:English) (This is related to the investigation on the T.P Chandrasekharan murder)
TP murder: Area commitee member too under arrest (Mathrubhumi:English)
Police conduct raids in party villages: Explosive powders seized (Mathrubhumi:English)
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x-posted from "Red Menace" thread...

I guess the brouhaha over the T.P Chandrasekharan murder is now slowly going down. The bye-elections at Neyyatinkara are already over, and guess the INC does not wish to "milk" this issue any further.

Cases slapped against CPM, DYFI activists
This relates to an incident in which the commies blocked the police from entering a CPI(M) Area Commitee office. The police had gone there with an accused to gather more evidence. The title of the report with words like "slapping" does not mean any thing. Such cases never gets prosecuted and no commie leader has come to any hard ship because of this. In fact the number of such cases only increases their weightage in the mafia pecking order.

The accuses was how ever soon taken to Mysore for evidence collection as he was picked up from there. It is this accused (Sijith) who had tattooed the commie party symbol on his forearm.

Mani files plea to dismiss cases against him
M.M Mani, the comrade who boasted about CPI(M) maintaining a hit-list and about three murder cases have now approached the courts for anticipatory bails. The police even though have started investigation have said that arrest is not imminent. MM Mani did not even bother to respond to the notice (sent as per provisions in Cr.PC) asking him to report at the police station for questioning.

CPM dealing with TP case physically: Chandy
A grand round of whining by the current Kerala Govt.

Further read..
CPI(M) being hunted publicly : Pinarayi Vijayan
CPI(M) alleges police torture in custody
Police grapling with Chandrasekhran murder case
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In the T.P Chandrasekharan murder case at Kerala, the police have picked up the main brain behind the murder plan. T.K Rajeesh was arrested from a village near Goa-Maharashtra state border. ;).
Prime accused in Chandrasekharan murder case held
From the report...
By now, the total number of people taken into custody in the case has touched 23, which includes nine activists of the Communist Party of India-Marxist (CPI-M).

The police said it was Rajeesh who planned the murder using a gang of seven hired killers. With his arrest, the police also expect to crack a few other murder cases.

A police official said Rajeesh, after Chandrasekharan's murder, left for Mumbai, where three Keralites provided him shelter. The police have arrested them.

Meanwhile, Kerala Chief Minister Oommen Chandy said no time frame could set to solve the case.

'This is because in the past it was the party (CPI-M) which handed over the accused whenever a political crime took place. But this time, it is going to be different and the real conspirators of the crime will be rounded up,' Chandy told reporters in Kannur.
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Since I was pretty much giving a running commentary on the politically motivated murders in Kerala, here comes the last part. From now on, it would be more of court procedures. My sincere wish is that the media does not lose interest in this case, and continue to highlight the progress.

This is one of the worst testing times the commies (CPI(M)) ever had in Kerala.

TP murder: PK Kunhanandan surrenders (Mathrubhumi:English)
This fellow PK Kunhanandan is an area committee member. He was in hiding for nearly a month, and in during the last few days running from pillar to post. All the other accused have given statements that this chap was actively involved in the T.P Chandrasekharan's murder. He tried to run away to Bangalore, and then came back to the northern districts of Kerala (Kasaragode and Kannur). He did try to have a "compromise" with the police, but they did not agree with his plans. Finally he appeared at the Vadakara courts last Saturday at around 12:30 noon when the court was about to close its business. The Asst. Public Prosecutor generally has his appearance in another local court and the commies thought that this fellow can ask for around 3 days of juidical custody and then report sick and get moved to the hospital.

The police landed up in the court in quick time, with all requests for "police custody" in place. The magistrate also took 30 mins to take up the case. The application of the police was accepted and Kunhanandan is now in 10 days police custody. One of his earlier escapes from the police was by wearing a Purdah. Latest report says that this fellow is stubborn and not forthcoming in his response to the police. The police feels that he is the one person who can point to the tacit approvals given by the senior commie cadre in Kerala for such nefarious activities.

Fasal murder: Karayi Rajan and Chandrasekharan surrender (Mathrubhumi:English)
Another two commie hoodlums landed up in the courts at Ernakulam seeking bail. This was in the case of murdering one Fasal a person who moved to NDF from CPI(M). The CBI is investigating this case. Last week the courts had given non-bailable arrest warrants for the duo, and they had no much options other than to surrender. The CBI did not try to arrest them by using force, because they were holed up in commie strong holds. The CBI had planned to get them tagged as "absconders" and attach their properties.

Karayi Rajan after the murder of Fasal, repeatedly said that it was RSS which was behind the murders. The idea was to create communal tension in parts of the state. Karayi Rajan is also supposed to have played a role in the T.P Chandrasekharan murder case as well.

TP murder: Two more taken into custody
The police going hammer and tongs over the people who helped the accused hide from the law. Looks like commies tried to use women and children as human shields, but the police had their way.

Kodi Suni, two others nabbed (The Hindu: English)
Three folks who were phyiscally present during the murder was also arrested last week. They were in hiding on a hill top with forest cover. They were there for nearly 30 days with the local commie folks providing them all provisions for a comfortable stay. The police had tracked them based on following the "food trail" and understanding that people may be camping in secret in the forest. An early morning raid (named "Op. Silent Night") helped nabbing the duo.
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