Terror Attacks in Mumbai - III

enqyoob · Post by **enqyoob** » 02 Dec 2008 00:39

I saw a Korean newspaper the other day. The front page had this very large photo which you can see posted in the photos thread:

A policeman walked with an elderly man after one attack at a railway station.

That's it. This picture, IMO, is the most poignant of the whole operation. The Koreans focused on what is really important.

Rahul Shukla · Post by **Rahul Shukla** » 02 Dec 2008 00:43

I remember a recent interview of Obama with Bill O'Reilly in which he stated:

"Bill... we have given Pakistan ten billion dollars with no accountability but they are using this money to prepare for a war with India."

Credit is due where it is due and the man has been very honest and straightforward about Paki blackmail and gameplan. At least he understands the problem. And now he says that yindoos have the right to defend themselves. It seems that Obama really wants to turn the screws on Pakistan. He absolutely doesn't want any more 9-11's to happen under his watch.

Paki goose is cooked. It will cook a little faster if yindoos light up their oven on Pak's eastern frontier.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 02 Dec 2008 00:44

Please save the photos of all the terrorists

gandharva · Post by **gandharva** » 02 Dec 2008 00:48

Is it psy-ops?. I worried that ELM drum beating wil start absolving Islam.

Terrorist: I did it for money

By Dippy Vankani

Mumbai

Dec. 1: The lone arrested terrorist, Mohammed Ajmal Aamir Kasav, has stunned his interrogators by claiming that he did it all for money and developed cold feet after agreeing to the job. He said that he hijacked the police vehicle to escape into anonymity.

Kasav gave details of the operation, one of which was that he and his accomplice had been asked to spend the night at CST if they reached at a time when it wasn’t crowded enough to kill too many.

This newspaper has exclusive access to the videographed first statement of Kasav who was arrested after a firefight at Girgaum Chowpatty on Wednesday night. While the world might have thought of Kasav and his accomplices as hardened terrorists, Kasav shocked the cops by saying that if they paid him enough and fed him, he would create the same bloody mayhem for them as he did for his handlers in Pakistan.

http://www.asianage.com/presentation/le ... money.aspx

AdityaM · Post by **AdityaM** » 02 Dec 2008 00:49

Some views & intelligent dissection from the other side.
I know one shouldn't post this other side view, but in these trying times, some change of perspective to lighten the mood
http://www.hotklix.com/?ref=content/152704

The icing on the cake at the very end of the video: They are wondering that we are too united.
Don't we just love these "peaceful neighbours"

Admin: dont turn your evil eye on me... i m just posting it here so that those who ask us to engage TSP understand what TSP is thinking.

jimmyray · Post by **jimmyray** » 02 Dec 2008 00:51

Dear BRF members,

I have been following BR for very long (may be 8 years or more), as a regular visitor. I am a fan of this site and admire writing of many of the regulars here. This is my first post so kindly ignore any mistakes.
Earlier I saw a post (later deleted by the admin) that was criticizing Indian media for war mongering. For those who think Indian media is bad please take a look at how Porki visual media is presenting the Mumbai attacks: http://www.hotklix.com/?ref=content/152704

P.S:Viewer discretion warranted. There is extreme hateful and bitter anti-India language used in the clipping. Kindly delete the link and post if the admins think it will promote porki agenda

{jimmyray and aditya: I can't speak for other adminullahs, but in case you feel heat here, the Pakistani point of view and agenda are always more than welcome at the "Khabar-e-Jehad-al-Pingrezi" thread. We celebrate it there.

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cdbatra · Post by **cdbatra** » 02 Dec 2008 00:52

Guys listen to this shit.I dont know what the second lady is talking about. I tell you these Pakis are turning dillusional by the day.http://www.hotklix.com/?ref=content/152704

Ashwin B · Post by **Ashwin B** » 02 Dec 2008 00:56

How is the media able to get so many details about what the pig is singing already? I thought the animal was taken to an "unknown location" immediately after the arrest.

gashish · Post by **gashish** » 02 Dec 2008 01:00

Few things capture sentiments as well as a poem does..and fewer things inspire a change as well as poem does

nation's sentiments captured beautifully by Prasoon Joshi (of Taare Zameen Par and RDB fame)..a must read for all netas/babus if they want to listen to aam-junta.

Is baar nahin

Is baar jab woh choti si bachchi mere paas apni kharonch le kar aayegi
Main usey phoo phoo kar nahin behlaoonga
Panapney doonga uski tees ko
Is baar nahin

Is baar jab main chehron par dard likha dekhoonga
Nahin gaoonga geet peeda bhula dene wale
Dard ko risney doonga,utarney doonga andar gehrey
Is baar nahin

Is baar main na marham lagaoonga
Na hi uthaoonga rui ke phahey
Aur na hi kahoonga ki tum aankein band karlo,gardan udhar kar lo main dawa lagata hoon
Dekhney doonga sabko hum sabko khuley nangey ghaav
Is baar nahin

Is baar jab uljhaney dekhoonga,chatpatahat dekhoonga
Nahin daudoonga uljhee door lapetney
Uljhaney doonga jab tak ulajh sake
Is baar nahin

Is baar karm ka hawala de kar nahin uthaoonga auzaar
Nahin karoonga phir se ek nayee shuruaat
Nahin banoonga misaal ek karmyogi ki
Nahin aaney doonga zindagi ko aasani se patri par
Utarney doonga usey keechad main,tedhey medhey raston pe
Nahin sookhney doonga deewaron par laga khoon
Halka nahin padney doonga uska rang
Is baar nahin banney doonga usey itna laachaar
Ki paan ki peek aur khoon ka fark hi khatm ho jaye
Is baar nahin

Is baar ghawon ko dekhna hai
Gaur se
Thoda lambe wakt tak
Kuch faisley
Aur uskey baad hausley
Kahin toh shuruat karni hi hogi
Is baar yahi tay kiya hai

... Prasoon Joshi

John Snow · Post by **John Snow** » 02 Dec 2008 01:02

The rot is with in.

Somebody starta poll what should India do in the event of a next terror attack.

We are good at polls no?

MKN is so thick skinned that nothing will penetrate his hide or his adaucity to caary chappal for Prince Rahul.

the problem is we Indians not they Pakistanis or Ameerkhans

BijuShet · Post by **BijuShet** » 02 Dec 2008 01:03

ramana wrote:Need to first fix the local loopholes. I still didnt understand why MKN is continuing as NSA. He and the babudom havent taken all the stopes they could. Tee MHA is the second most powerful bureaucrat after the Cabinet Secy. As NSA, MKN had direct contacts with IB, RAW and CBi and other unknown agencies. The info that there were two warnings in Novemeber itself without any action taken shows there was massive command failure starting from NSA. Patil is a knwon winp. What about MKN? Why did he not do all that is within his powers?

He is truly rthe National Insecurty Adviser for India.

With election in progress in 5 states is there any doubt where the efforts of these fine gentlemen were directed? The reason these threat notices did not get the attention they deserved was because everyone was working on getting a favorable outcome in the state elections and planning their moves for the coming federal elections. No one seems to tie the timing of these attacks to the current election cycle.

Manu · Post by **Manu** » 02 Dec 2008 01:07

Father in Law to Dawood Ibrahim's Daughter Opines:
‘India, Pak must stand together now’

In the wake of the recent terror strikes that many fear could turn India into a pariah for world cricket, the newly-appointed Director General of Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB), Javed Miandad, has extended support to the Indian board, saying Pakistan are keen to play in India and that India should reciprocate the same way by visiting Pakistan in January next year.

Speaking to the Hindustan Times from Lahore on Monday, Miandad said: “Both India and Pakistan are victims of terrorism and cricket will bridge the gap between the two nations.”

What can we say to him, when he is quoting the Pujya Pradhan Mantri of India?

Manu · Post by **Manu** » 02 Dec 2008 01:12

Times, UK

At least five terrorist gunmen have evaded capture in Mumbai and could make a secondary strike on India's financial capital, it was feared today. The prospect of more killers being at large added to mounting public anger at the Indian Government's lax handling of the worst terror strike to hit the country in 15 years.
As the city slowly moved towards normality, Indian security forces claimed that just ten militants – nine of whom were killed and one caught alive – were behind the series of co-ordinated attacks that claimed nearly 200 lives. Rakesh Maria, joint commissioner of police, crime branch, said: "Their plan was just to cause maximum damage and return with hostages protecting themselves."

However, a hijacked Indian fishing boat used by the gunmen had equipment for 15 men on board when it was discovered adrift off the city shore – suggesting that several gunmen could still be at large.

"Fifteen winter jackets were found, fifteen toothbrushes," a police source said. "That more terrorists are loose is possible".
Ajmal Amir Kasab, the sole gunman caught alive, said during police questioning that 24 men were trained in camps in Pakistan for the mission, according to a leaked {The "leaks" never stop, even now} account of his police interrogation. He has apparently since claimed, however, that only ten made the final trip to Bombay, including him.

Investigators believe that at least five or six additional people were immediately involved in preparing for the attacks, by organising logistics and carrying out reconnaissance work. Their whereabouts is unknown.

Yesterday, many Mumbai residents remained convinced that more than two dozen gunmen must have stormed the city, such was the trail of death and destruction left in their wake. That impression was supported by early police and media reports that spoke of 25 terrorists. Angry at the Government's response to the crisis, they are reluctant to accept the assurances that all the terrorists are accounted for.
K. Subrahmanyam, a prominent political analyst, said. "There is an impression that the Government is weak and not able to deal with terrorism." {Classic understatement, if I say so myself}

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 02 Dec 2008 01:21

X-Posted.....

satya wrote:Confirms what many believe that Mumbai attack wasn't an intelligence failure but implementation failure on part of local security agencies at ground zero . Nightwatch's reports:
India: Ripple effects

Indian Home Affairs Minister Shivraj Patil offered his resignation to Prime Minister Manmohan Singh today, Agence France-Presse reported, according to a source in the Home Ministry. Patil, who said he felt a "moral responsibility" for the attacks in Mumbai, had been heavily criticized by local media as having failed to ensure security.

National Security Adviser M. K. Narayanan also resigned and Prime Minister Manmohan Singh has accepted, the Times of India reported, citing a government official. Additional senior members, including the heads of the Coast Guard, the Intelligence Bureau, and the Home Secretary, are "likely to be shown the door," said an aide to the Prime Minister.

This is a study in accountability in a parliamentary democracy. The security team failed and has the decency to admit it. All the reports indicate the intelligence services provided adequate and reasonable intelligence warning. Some modest security measures were taken but not sustained, according to the owners of the Taj Mahal Hotel. T

These are the perennial problems of warning: it is not taken seriously if an attack is no immediate; measures are not sustained until the threat abates; and/or the threatened enterprises decline to pay the price of safety. The Mumbai attacks do not seem to have been intelligence warning failures, but failures of policy and security execution.

News services have reported a variety of details about the Mumbai attack. Most accounts indicate ten men executed the attack, possibly 12 with two still at large. As with most successful attacks, the attackers planned, trained and rehearsed for months up to a year, depending on the source. At least two Kashmiri militant camps housed the training, according to the detainee. Pakistan’s ISI’s involvement was mentioned specifically by the one terrorist under interrogation, according to one news service.

The training included commando tactics, including over the beach landings. This raises a suspicion of formal military training, such as could be provided by Pakistan’s Special Services Group, because the Kashmiri militant groups have not displayed special commando skills of any kind in their operations.

One feedback source noted that some Pakistani strategists believe India must be destabilized anytime Pakistan is internally unstable. That seems to be the case historically and now. India has yet to be destabilized by external militant attacks. It copes daily with hundreds of sources of ethnic or cult instability from within its own population.

Politically, these attacks are a failure in that they have set back Muslim causes in India and Kashmir. The backlash against Indian Muslims threatens to be enormous. There will be bloodshed in coming months because the Hindus will be on a hair trigger to see even unintended slights as provocations by Muslims.

They are also a failure because they have made Pakistan more unstable and riveted world attention on the extent and nature of Pakistani official involvement, if any. Failure and backlash against the innocent seem to be the consistent outcomes of kinetic attacks.

HariC · Post by **HariC** » 02 Dec 2008 01:21

Come to India, Kill and Massacre People, Get Free Medical treatment. Damn these terrorpigs have it good

IN CUSTODY: Lashkar-e-Taiba terrorist Amjad Amir Kamaal, the only gunman arrested during the counter-offensive by the National Security Guard commandos, is undergoing treatment at an undisclosed location in Mumbai. This handout photo has been released by the police.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 02 Dec 2008 01:21

gandharva wrote:Is it psy-ops?. I worried that ELM drum beating wil start absolving Islam.

I still am not convinced that this was some random pig, fed and trained by LeT and managed to hijack a trawler, navigate to mumbai coast, land at the right spot using dinghies, find his way around mumbai, find out where the jews live, take over the Taj and the Oberoi and keep the security forces at bay for better part of 3 days.

At a very minimum, the pig is sea-qualified. The pigs getting seasick or not knowing how to navigate/operate boats would mean a bye bye to the ops. Most probably he is a new breed of trained intel/covert action operatives brainwashed using Islam but rational and intelligent enough to undertake urban ops like these. He might be singing this song for deception.

If the aim was to kill 200 Indians, there are far more efficient ways of doing it which requires less groundwork and less complex ops so less things go wrong with it. The sheer amount of effort and planning which went into this is enormous. Scoping landing sites, hijacking trawlers, identifying targets, knowing where to hijack police vehicles and so on.

Unless there is strong evidence to the contrary, the pig should be regarded as an intel/covert operative. The media should stop airing his comments. Give our intel agencies 3 months to break him first.

Edit: add to that, this whole tamasha of this guy breaking down and pleading for treatment. He seems to be reasonably intelligent and is doing everything to stay alive, maximize his chance of living and throw the authorities off track. If there are really 15 pigs as some speculate, (this pig has claimed ten), then somebody should start applying "thel" on a "bumboo".

Bade · Post by **Bade** » 02 Dec 2008 01:23

The guy who made the call to the TV station was speaking in a calm voice. He was definitely not at the TAj/Oberoi/CST/Nariman house location where all the action was. So there are many more wandering around the city for sure.

HariC · Post by **HariC** » 02 Dec 2008 01:23

The photo is cropped - naturally no one wants to show the splinterred bamboo up his a...s

trivedi · Post by **trivedi** » 02 Dec 2008 01:25

HariC wrote:Come to India, Kill and Massacre People, Get Free Medical treatment. Damn these terrorpigs have it good

IN CUSTODY: Lashkar-e-Taiba terrorist Amjad Amir Kamaal, the only gunman arrested during the counter-offensive by the National Security Guard commandos, is undergoing treatment at an undisclosed location in Mumbai. This handout photo has been released by the police.

Is that a medical machine behind him or a "medical" machine behind him?

John Snow · Post by **John Snow** » 02 Dec 2008 01:26

This giuy KS is way past his retirement and sorry to say almost senile. Peole like him have nothing to lose if they can make stand and call spade a spade. Even with half the body in coffin our Indian babus will still want to carry chappal and make money.

Its is not just state Govt of Maha but the semi senile PM of India who can hardly utter two words coherently except issue threats of resignation now and then to keep his gaddi.

I wonder what happened to INC leaders are so short of brains in the polity of the country? That Cocaine snuffing Rahul & co are our beacon of light?

What about Mumbai city elders and intellectuals are they all also sold out?

anishns · Post by **anishns** » 02 Dec 2008 01:27

If the BCCI and Govt. had some balls. Just like BCCI has been preventing ICL players from playing in regular cricket, they should discourage any matches with Pak-'shit'-an in India or abroad, as long as Miandad is the Director General of their cricket board. That man is related to the "most wanted" man in India who is also on the radar of the FBI and Interpol.

Let's see how patriotic BCCI is?

Manu wrote:Father in Law to Dawood Ibrahim's Daughter Opines:
‘India, Pak must stand together now’
In the wake of the recent terror strikes that many fear could turn India into a pariah for world cricket, the newly-appointed Director General of Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB), Javed Miandad, has extended support to the Indian board, saying Pakistan are keen to play in India and that India should reciprocate the same way by visiting Pakistan in January next year.

Speaking to the Hindustan Times from Lahore on Monday, Miandad said: “Both India and Pakistan are victims of terrorism and cricket will bridge the gap between the two nations.”
What can we say to him, when he is quoting the Pujya Pradhan Mantri of India?

satya · Post by **satya** » 02 Dec 2008 01:29

Another angle on Mumbai attack : Its an application with powerful resume to become a stakeholder in Indian Growth .

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 02 Dec 2008 01:56

One thing I dont get is who did these dregs have time to torture and execute the prisoners and still fight the NSG with their limited numbers?

jimmyray · Post by **jimmyray** » 02 Dec 2008 02:01

HariC wrote: .....
Is that a medical machine behind him or a "medical" machine behind him?

Yes it looks like a medical machine, resolution is not good for exact impression. But I can surely make out a B.P instrument cuff nearby. Pig looks like doped. Either undergoing narco test or has been drugged for medical reasons

pran · Post by **pran** » 02 Dec 2008 02:02

Do we really know for sure how many were there, how many died and how many are still on the loose. I have read numbers as high as 28 and then to 10.

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 02 Dec 2008 02:05

Jihad’s True Face

Consider first an op-ed article in Sunday’s Los Angeles Times by Martha Nussbaum, a well-known professor of law and ethics at the University of Chicago. The article was headlined “Terrorism in India has many faces.” But one face that Nussbaum fails to mention specifically is that of Lashkar-e-Taiba, the Islamic terror group originating in Pakistan that seems to have been centrally involved in the attack on Mumbai.

This is because Nussbaum’s main concern is not explaining or curbing Islamic terror. Rather, she writes that “if, as now seems likely, last week’s terrible events in Mumbai were the work of Islamic terrorists, that’s more bad news for India’s minority Muslim population.” She deplores past acts of Hindu terror against India’s Muslims. She worries about Muslim youths being rounded up on suspicion of terrorism with little or no evidence. And she notes that this is “an analogue to the current ugly phenomenon of racial profiling in the United States.”

vsudhir · Post by **vsudhir** » 02 Dec 2008 02:05

MK Bhadrakumar in atimes giving a new angle to the ISI-DG-will-come-to-dilli tamasha:

Under direct pressure from the United States, Islamabad hurriedly accepted the idea that Lieutenant General Ahmad Shuja Pasha, director general of the Inter-Service Intelligence (ISI) Pakistan's premier intelligence service, would visit India to discuss the issue. But this decision, emanating out of a telephone conversation between Rice and Pakistan's President Asif Ali Zardari, seemed to have been a shrewd attempt to finesse the mounting Indian anger. It has since been watered down by the Pakistani military. Evidently, Pakistani army chief General Pervez Kiani, who previously headed the ISI, concluded it might sap the morale for the military to be seen wobbling under Indian pressure.

And to PRC moves in the meanwhile.

Meanwhile, China is gently wading into the eye of the storm. On Saturday, China's Foreign Minister Yang Jiechi discussed by telephone the crisis with his Pakistani counterpart, Shah Mehmood Qureshi. They surely condemned the terrorist attacks in Mumbai. But then, Yang went on to express the hope that "Pakistan and India could continue to strengthen cooperation, maintain the Pakistan-India peace process, and to advance bilateral ties in a healthy and steady way", to quote Xinhua news agency.

Yang said, "These measures are in the fundamental interests of both Pakistan and India." Curiously, Yang and Qureshi also "pledged joint efforts to push forward bilateral ties". In essence, Yang has voiced solidarity with Pakistan and counseled restraint on the part of India. It is unclear whether Washington prompted Beijing to use its good offices to calm the troubled waters or Beijing wished to underscore its relevance to South Asian security.

Link

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 02 Dec 2008 02:06

Come to India, Kill and Massacre People, Get Free Medical treatment. Damn these terrorpigs have it good

Hmmmm

Perhaps he got a litre of non-Islamic blood?

jimmyray · Post by **jimmyray** » 02 Dec 2008 02:07

Pakistan government can't rein in ISI

Arif Mohamed Khan

We must with or without the cooperation of Pakistan get rid of the terror training camps, and let Pakistan know that any action against terror outfits inside their territory is no violation of their sovereignty. Instead, it will help them restore their authority and save India from murder and mayhem.

http://www.rediff.com/news/2008/dec/01c ... in-isi.htm

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 02 Dec 2008 02:08

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=6368013&page=1
U.S. Warned India in October of Potential Terror Attack

One month later, Nov. 18, Indian intelligence also intercepted a satellite phone call to a number in Pakistan known to be used by a leader of the terror group, Lashkar e Taiba, believed responsible for the weekend attack, Indian intelligence officials say.

Since Friday, U.S. intelligence agencies have been tracking the phones and SIM cards recovered by Indian authorities from the Mumbai terrorists leading to a "treasure trove" of leads in Pakistan and several possible connections to the United States, officials say. Officials say one of the cell phone SIM cards may have been purchased in the United States but would not provide any more details because of the ongoing nature of the investigation.

Officials say one of the cell phone SIM cards may have been purchased in the United States but would not provide any more details because of the ongoing nature of the investigation.

The phones also include the same Thuraya satellite phone intercepted in November by the Indian spy agency RAW, the Research and Analysis Wing, which runs an extensive electronic intercept operation.

NSA, the National Security Agency, has the technical means to retrieve all calls made from satellite and cell phones in the south Asia region.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 02 Dec 2008 02:09

NRao wrote:
Come to India, Kill and Massacre People, Get Free Medical treatment. Damn these terrorpigs have it good
Hmmmm

Perhaps he got a litre of non-Islamic blood?

How about pig-plasma?

archan · Post by **archan** » 02 Dec 2008 02:10

cdbatra wrote: Guys listen to this shit.I dont know what the second lady is talking about. I tell you these Pakis are turning dillusional by the day.http://www.hotklix.com/?ref=content/152704

How is it that three different users post the same link in consecutive posts and don't realize it has been posted before? guys, please be careful not to flood the forum with repetitions. Repeated offenses will be dealt more strictly.
I normally laugh, then have pity at such reports. They are good entertainment value, that's it. If someone believes them, its their problem. If someone gets upset with them, they probably need to read more of what goes on in this world. Its all fine. Propaganda has to be fought with the same, that's it. In the end, whoever is stronger and has a pair will win. I hope the Indian leadership grows one.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 02 Dec 2008 02:11

And what about the initial reports of two US officials killed?

Also if this is the guy wiht the backpack and orange wrsit band, his face doesn't seem the sme. Earlier he had a hideous grin on his visage.

Also folks I had requested a collation of the pigs after they were sent to pig heaven. No takers? To date we have the kasab/Qasab and one guy from the Taj Hotel with Telugu caption. Any more?

Sudhanshu · Post by **Sudhanshu** » 02 Dec 2008 02:15

Glad to see, whatever I (and probably others too) wrote as recommendations about NSG earlier in this thread, now govt is also thinking in same line and pledge to implement it.

I have read in India Today long before, that NSG people are trained on daily basis. But, I believe they should pay more attention to frequent surprise drills with most emphasis on the response time. Because in some situations, delay in one minute of reaching counter terrorism forces, might equal to loss of one or more innocent life. And, govt should provide everything necessary to make sure there is no lack of resources to achieve that objective.

Still there is speculation at least 5 terrorists are at large. Looking at pattern of such terrorist attacks in past, may be somewhere they might be planning to struck some other city, probably less predictable one. We should never lower our Guards. This is difficult time.
I just wonder, what would be response of MMS and others in govt., if within 2-3 week, another city is attacked with same intensity.

I would be really proud Indian if our PM has courage to order assassination of LeT chief in POK. To show these people, if you do something bad, you will get something in return, not just in words. (May be take help of our Israeli friends for the job, since they are old timer in this business

)

Abhi_G · Post by **Abhi_G** » 02 Dec 2008 02:16

vijayk wrote:
Since Friday, U.S. intelligence agencies have been tracking the phones and SIM cards recovered by Indian authorities from the Mumbai terrorists leading to a "treasure trove" of leads in Pakistan and several possible connections to the United States, officials say. Officials say one of the cell phone SIM cards may have been purchased in the United States but would not provide any more details because of the ongoing nature of the investigation.

Officials say one of the cell phone SIM cards may have been purchased in the United States but would not provide any more details because of the ongoing nature of the investigation.

So the US agencies have access to the sim cards. Wonder where they will land in a couple of days. The treasure trove will be covered up.

And yes, no story of the two US officials at Taj. Is it a planted story?

fanne · Post by **fanne** » 02 Dec 2008 02:16

There are reports of 12-15 people coming. 12 from Machli market (I do not suppose people were counting, I mean I go to the market and do not count even say weird people, I would think 15 is the right number). Then there were terrorist staying beforehand in the hotel, x in number. Then there were local support (like a lady in burqa shooting, can be the same people), y people. The lady TOI journalist death should be investigated, as a civilized nation we should go with assumption that she is innocent (and in all probability she is), but something is fishy in that she was reported to be helping terrorist and that report was pulled out (the report could be mistake). Just because she is dead, does not mean she is a victim. During Kargil a prominent lady journalist was arrested giving troop position.
SO in total 15+x+y -10 people are loose in Mumbai as we speak. I hope ATS is focused on catching that and Hindu terrorism business has stopped for now. Next time, the TV wallahs have to watch out. There is lots of anger against them, some people like Burqa Dutt or Bharat Ratna Pradeep Sardesai might find themselves at the end of a public pitai.

enqyoob · Post by **enqyoob** » 02 Dec 2008 02:22

Pig looks like doped. Either undergoing narco test or has been drugged for medical reasons

The only reported injury was a bullet wound on the hand. In fact I don't know how he got that either, because the police didn't shoot until these guys came out, raised their hands, let the police get closer, then one went for his gun- apparently strapped close to his mijjile, and shot a policeman.

The video shows then the lathi-wielding policemen and maybe aam janata bystanders rushing in and "pacifying" them.

So my guess is that the hospitalization is just to get an EKG and a flu shot. Maybe an enema.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 02 Dec 2008 02:24

This guy started to make sense before he pulled one from his musharraf. The Guy, apart from being a professor of lahori-logic is also "CNN's national security analyst and a fellow at the New America Foundation in Washington"

Commentary: How U.S. should respond to Mumbai attacks

My money is on LeT. They've been getting lots of operational experience in Afghanistan and the younger LeT guys are trigger-happy. The countries they aim to destroy: India, U.S. and Israel. Looks like they hit all three in Mumbai

Lashkar-e-Tayyiba derives strength from the fact that, like the Lebanese terrorist group Hezbollah, it draws on a much wider base of support than many terrorist organizations.

Until January of 2002, when it was officially banned following the attack on the Indian Parliament, Lashkar-e-Tayyiba maintained 2,200 offices around the country and attracted hundreds of thousands of followers to its annual gatherings. Its charitable arm also runs schools and medical clinics and played an important role in earthquake relief efforts in Kashmir in 2005.

Technically Lashkar no longer exists, but it has continued to operate under different names and its leader, Hafiz Saeed, has continued to address rallies in Pakistan.

LeT to blame....check
LeT is taking over paki society....check
LeT enjoys covert and overt support from estabilishement....check
LeT's aim is to destroy US, India and Israel....check

Our good professor's suggestion ?

The U.S. government has already designated LeT as a terrorist group, but the larger aim of the incoming Barack Obama administration should be to put additional effort into bringing a peaceful resolution to the Kashmir dispute that underlies the tensions between India and Pakistan.

That is something that South Asia specialist Bruce Riedel has been forcefully advocating in recent months. Riedel, a former CIA officer and National Security Council official and now senior fellow at the Brookings Institution, has been advising Obama. And Hillary Clinton, nominated Monday by Obama for secretary of state, has long been thinking about the idea of sending a special envoy to the region who would be responsible for helping to settle all the various disputes between Afghanistan, Pakistan and India.

fanne · Post by **fanne** » 02 Dec 2008 02:24

ya what is interesting is how do these guys know that these two us nationals were intelligence officers? Was it just a coincidence? Were TSPian following who is visiting whom etc. Like did they have a bigger observation team, with different phone numbers and they reported who is going in and out and that information was being conveyed to these terrorist through some circuitous route. They should check all satellite phones and international calls from Mumbai (what if they called a local number in Timbactoo and that guy made an international call). Maybe after police moved in, this observation group had to scurry for cover. Is there a larger group at large here?

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 02 Dec 2008 02:26

Is it only ATS problem to go after the 'missing' people are is it IB now that there are definite links to foreign countries? I thought IB was the premier agency when counter intelligence is involved/required. Relying on ATS which has become headless is quite unproductive.