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Anybody care to comment why these jihadis dont dare to do their thing in Punjab

I dont wish to have any more argument with you on the topic Mr Jha..you may call it a prejudice or regional BS..may be if we could have a different thread for uncontrolled MIGRATION and its consequences people and members both from sides could put forth their arguments

A bit off topic , Pakjabis have an eternal hatred for 'bhaiya" , anyone not from their punjab b4 partition time is a bhaiya and Mushy is hated for being a bhaiya and many news anchors of Porkies chanels are identified as bhaiya .

1. Never forgetting history

2. Demographically concentrated in one particular area around Maler Kotla

3. Unofficial understanding of not jumping out of their chaddis

Jihadists wont ever dare in twin states of Punjab & Haryana .They do have an immortal fear of 'Singh' from both states and during partition , they were specially well cleaned out from these states specially rural areas.

In haryana , they are concentrated in Mewat region but know their position and have never dared to raise their head above even during post-Babri demolition riots.

Talk with any Pakjabi abroad , first thing they ask where u from and when u say from either these two states , next question is if ur a Singh and if answer is affirmative, their tone changes to one of respect or fear .

A bit off topic , Pakjabis have an eternal hatred for 'bhaiya" , anyone not from their punjab b4 partition time is a bhaiya and Mushy is hated for being a bhaiya and many news anchors of Porkies chanels are identified as bhaiya .

My 2 anna observations

NAGPUR: In a candid confession, Rajasthan DGP Amarjot Singh Gill on Sunday admitted that police did receive copies of the March 2008 issue of a Nagpur weekly – Iman ki Awaaz – which reported that the walled city areas in Jaipur were infested with Wahabi groups and have become a hub of terrorist activities.


Reacting to a TOI report on Sunday on the Nagpur weekly’s disclosures that went unheeded, Gill said, "We could not understand the gravity of the developments in the city and took them more as an outcome of differences between two sects of the community."

He said it is an open secret that Barelvis and Deobandis, the two sects among the Muslims, are at daggers drawn in the city.

The Barelvis allege that a mosque was being used for terrorist activities and that over two lakh people congregated there for a religious function in February.

Police also knew about a dispute between the two sects over the possession of the mosque. "We didn’t take cognizance of this dispute because such conflicts of interests between different sects of the community are commonplace in the entire country," he said.


The Nagpur daily report came after that. "We gathered the report was sent to the weekly by a Barelvi follower," Gill said, explaining why the police doubted its veracity. Also, there was no concrete evidence to suggest there were terrorists in the mosque. "There was nothing to substantiate the news report."

Iman Ki Awaaz is published from Mominpura in the heart of Nagpur. Its March 28 edition warned about the presence of Wahabi group, which believes in violence, might have something to do with a major operation in the Walled City in days to come. Its editor, Mohammed Hameed, on Saturday told TOI that copies of the weekly were circulated to all the important persons of Jaipur, including the CM, DGP and city police chief.


Although the DGP played down the report, police sources said the state intelligence had also warned about possible disturbances in the locality months ago. This prompted the government to order installation of CCTVs in the Walled City areas.

Officials, however, took little interest in the project and, as a result, it got delayed. "The delay has cost us dearly," an officer said.


Meanwhile, activists of Nagpur-based moderate group, Indian Muslim Association Noori (IMAN), were quizzed for about two hours by police top brass here at Tehsil police station on Sunday.

The activists claimed that copies of their Iman Ki Awaz had warned about growing terrorism in Rajasthan and was circulated to all police stations in Nagpur, including the office of the commissioner of police, but authorities chose to ignore them.

'Iman' activists had earlier claimed the weekly mentioning threat to Jaipur from Wahabi Muslims was sent to various authorities in Jaipur as well, including Jaipur’s commissioner of police, Rajasthan CGP and the CM.

"The city police commissioner (Satyapal Singh) denied getting any copy of the edition, we are sure we had given it to him and all police stations. It’s not our fault if he (Singh) did not get to see it," said Engineer Mohammed Hameed of 'Iman', which champions anti-terror ideology.


"I told the police commissioner that the intelligence wing of the city police lacks efficiency as sleuths engaged in the work to collect information from Muslim groups aren’t sincere," Hameed alleged.


"Either the police departments are being misled or useful information is being blocked by unscrupulous personnel in the intelligence wing," he claimed.


When contacted, Singh said, "In all the editorial contents of the four editions of 'Iman Ki Awaz' published in the last six months, the Wahabis have been allegedly associated with terrorism."

The edition said that Rajasthan was reeling under terrorist threat but such generalisation is true for states like UP, Delhi, MP, Maharashtra and Karnataka which have been identified as terror-prone, Singh said and added that there was no specific mention about the serial blasts — just an indication of threat perception.

‘Iman’ activists claimed on Sunday that more regions in different parts of the country including Maharashtra, Delhi and MP face terror threats.

They also claimed that members of terror modules like the Jaish-e-Mohammed, who attacked Parliament in December 2001, find refuge in Delhi’s prominent religious institutions.

"Apart from Delhi, JeM is fast spreading its activities in Dhulia and Nandurbar districts of Maharashtra," said Hameed said.

Hameed also claimed that there is information about growing activities of the banned outfit of Students Islamic Movement of India (SIMI) in Vidarbha including Pusad (Yavatmal district), Badnera (Amravati), Balapur (Akola) and Wardha. Similarly, terror networks are active in Seoni, Indore, Ujjain, Bhopal and Jabalpore in MP, Hameed claims.

I don't remember exactly but even in Maler Kotla, Muslims were spared by Sikhs only because it is believed that one of the Sikh Guru was spared by Muslims when they were going about killing everyone.

I don't remember exactly but even in Maler Kotla, Muslims were spared by Sikhs only because it is believed that one of the Sikh Guru was spared by Muslims when they were going about killing everyone.

by Sanjay Kumar
In India, Pakistan or Makkah?

Bajwa Sahib , i did not know that Pathans of Malerkotla were involved in Ghallugara.
AFAIK,
The ruler of Malerkotla did his Raj Dharm by providing protection to local population. This was no dhimmitude but still there should have been population transfer like it happend with Hindus and Silkhs from across the currnet border. .

Sikh ruler of Malerkotla in 1947 was the Maharaja of Patiala (Bhupinder Singh) who was also the leader of the indian princes. I think he might have saved the muslims of malerkotla.

Also, they had all those pleasantries between tribes there, and it's still not over.

The 1st of June 2006 seemed like an unusually good day for the police: three heavily armed Pakistani fidayeen were shot dead while storming the RSS headquarters in Nagpur. Alert policemen had apparently forestalled a massacre within the complex; and a communal bloodbath across India.


In fact, that one-sided fire fight was the climax to a superb Indian intelligence operation. The terrorist cell that aimed to set RSS blood boiling had been deeply infiltrated; an intelligence mole risked his life to pass on every detail of the coming attack. He should, but will never, publicly receive a medal from the President. Others like him work anonymously to thwart most terror attacks that are planned against Indian targets.

But our intelligence agencies failed to predict the Jaipur blast conspiracy, which took 80 lives last Tuesday. The important question — of why couldn't the agencies zero in beforehand — has been lost in the destructive finger pointing that characterises the Indian response to such tragedy. As always, the post-mortem has revolved around political charges and counter-charges: the revocation of POTA; being "soft on terror" Bangladeshi migrants; and the need to press Pakistan for action against terror.

Not one politician or public figure has asked: why are just 20,000 people authorised to an Intelligence Bureau (IB) that is charged with the security of a billion people? Even if every IB employee was a field operative, of the kind that infiltrated the Nagpur cell, each would need to watch over 50,000 Indians. In fact, barely 2,000 of the IB's employees are field operatives; the remainder are tied up in administration — manning headquarters, liaison with bureaucracy, budgeting and accounting, and the myriad tasks that the government creates for itself.

Nor has anyone questioned why the already understaffed IB has 4,000 employees less than it is authorised. The numbing answer: an "optimisation scheme" to cut down on government employees froze recruitment for several years.

Not a single politician has asked why the recommendations of a Group of Ministers (GoM), constituted after the Kargil intelligence debacle, have not yet been implemented. Recommendations to expand the IB at the ground level; to set up Joint Task Forces for Intelligence (JTFIs) in each state; and to create a Multi Agency Centre (MAC) to bring together, compare and assess intelligence from different agencies; all these gather dust while terrorists gather strength.

Nor are there questions about why attempts to strengthen intelligence agencies immediately founder on the rocks of bureaucracy. Police and intelligence officers swear this is the dastardly handiwork of the "IAS lobby". Whether or not there is a deliberate design here, requests for manpower and resources are successfully blocked by endless questions by junior IAS officers about why those are needed. The result: the IB has cobbled together an ad hoc Joint Task Force for Intelligence, without any permanently deputed members, and run with resources gathered from within the agency.

If good intelligence is essential for thwarting terrorist attacks, a well-structured police network picks up early warnings about an impending attack. But ground level policing is even more neglected than intelligence. Societies across the political spectrum — from western-style democracies to authoritarian regimes — divide their territory into police "beats", assigning each a policeperson. That policeperson intimately monitors his beat, which could consist of a market; or a group of houses; or even a couple of villages. In India, though, there are too few policepersons for realistic monitoring.

The country's 11,840 police stations are manned by some 10,12,000 policepersons; each cop must police some 1,000 citizens. In geographical terms, there are 43 cops for every 100 square kilometres; each average beat is more than 2 kilometres long and 1 kilometre wide. But who has heard a politician ask the questions: can a single policeperson effectively cover so many people in such a large area? Why are we not boosting police manpower?

Compounding the shortage of manpower is a legislative framework that is 147 years old: the Police Act of 1861. There have been many failed attempts at creating a new structure: a National Police Commission submitted a report in 1981. In the years that followed, the National Human Rights Commission, the Law Commission, the Ribeiro Committee, the Padmanabhaiah Committee and the Malimath Committee also reported on this issue. A committee under Soli Sorabjee has prepared a model draft Police Act in 2006.

And here political point scoring begins again. Since law and order is a state subject, each state must legislate its own police act. Just ten states — Assam, Bihar, Chhatisgarh, Gujarat, Haryana, Himachal, Karnataka, Kerala, Rajasthan, and Tripura — have actually drafted new police laws. Others, like Tamil Nadu, have complained that the Centre is encroaching into the legislative domain of states.

In 2006, in one of its periodic huffs, the Supreme Court laid down directions for each state to implement before January 1, 2007. These include structures to insulate the police from political interference, and the separation of the investigative wing of the police from its law and order machinery. But the ground reality remains evident in the lack of success in solving — and, therefore, failure to pick up useful information from — the terror attacks in Malegaon (Sep 06), the Samjhauta Express (Feb 07), in Hyderabad's Mecca Masjid (May 07) and Lumbini Park/Gokul Chat (Aug 07), Ajmer Sharif (Oct 07) and now in Jaipur.

an intelligence mole risked his life to pass on every detail of the coming attack. He should, but will never, publicly receive a medal from the President.

For instance, what has happened with their anti-conversion law? I had the feeling that they were forced to repeal it - did it survive?

Wow...the more I read Rediff, the more I am convinced that they have an agenda - to say the least.

The agony of being a migrant in Jaipur

No that is not true Bajwa is correct - it is dhimmitude and no protection was provided to non-islamic population of the area by him. infact the nawab continued the Jihad..... they were all part of the sufi jihad.....

Nawab Sher Mohammad Khan, the chief of Malerkotla was present during sentencing of Gurus sons. Yes he pleading to Nawab Wazir Khan not to punish (by death) kids for the sins of their father and they were too young.

Fact is that Sher Mohmmad Khan was killed in the battle of Chappar Chiri in 1710 AD while fighting against Banda Singh Bahadur !!!!

If this Nawab was so pioused and he had Guru's blessing and above all Guru owed him so much than why would Banda Bahadur kill him?????????????.

It was only in the later half of 18th century when Sikhs got political power that Malerkotla was preserved as a Muslim State. Why? only God knows... but it was not because the local muslims of the time were any compassinate or were anti-jihad....they were not!!!

1. Never forgetting history

Jihadists wont ever dare in twin states of Punjab & Haryana .They do have an immortal fear of 'Singh' from both states and during partition , they were specially well cleaned out from these states specially rural areas.

Talk with any Pakjabi abroad , first thing they ask where u from and when u say from either these two states , next question is if ur a Singh and if answer is affirmative, their tone changes to one of respect or fear.

She did a good job, but when she was announcing one particular dance troup's name, she stumbled and seemed visibly uncomfortable. The name of the group was "Sardar".