Bharat Rakshak

By looking at the blast pattern. When a explosive device explodes the gases travel in a specific direction. Sometimes objects in the way 'direct' the way they travel. Hence by looking at the blast field you can tell where the bomb was placed/at what heights etc.

the source is a former director of forensics, so am wondering if this information is officially sanctioned? leaked? or hypothetical conjecture?

Found it. Ajmer.
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The blast from a bomb spreads out in a sphere with the bomb at the center just like light from a bulb spreads in a sphere with the bulb at the center. If there is something that is obstructing the light from the bulb there will be a shadow where no light will fall. In a bomb blast there will be a "shadow area" where there is no bomb damage corresponding to any obstruction that stops the blast from going in a particular direction.

Diwali rockets are like bombs in which the explosion of the material in the rocket is prevented from going upwards or to the sides by a thick plug on top and thick sides. The bottom is open so the gases are directed downwards. That "directed explosion" causes the rocket to move up. Same thing in a gun - which is a "directed explosion"

There is a famous photograph on the net of a set of stone steps in Hiroshima which have been singed by the nuclear explosion except for the shadow of a human who served as an obstruction throwing that shadow where the steps are not burned. But the human was totally vaporized, leaving no trace.

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Varanasi Blast also the timer wasn't found. And it too was ammonium nitrate and oil. However no added shrapnel or metal parts.

krishnan, By looking at the damage pattern they can evaluate the directionality of the weapon effects.

If suspended by a rope in mid air it will have ~360 degree pattern. Placed on flat surface ~180 degree and so on.

think of unit solid angle concept.

These guys are hoping that an Indian carrier is going to fly to LAOS

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Fallout-

Diamond traders warn of moving to Gujarat

If the shrapnel is 1" thick then may be they made it themselves from 1" diameter rebar. How common is that diameter bar?

And why should the report say if they placed it at 30 deg the damage would have been higher. This kind of info should not have been leaked. Why give the next terrorist more info?

When chidu says that he will give a two / three hourly update on the progress of the investigations this type of rubbish is bound to come out.

What else will the cops have to talk about?

Pretty soon they will be discussing the recipes for the dishes the under trials and suspects were fed for breakfast and tea.

I never figured that chidu was this brainless.

OUCH!!!

Meerut: Scary phone calls for planting bombs.
Traders are a fear-stricken lot in Meerut town of Uttar Pradesh after phone calls originating from foreign soils are asking them to engineer blast for money.
The police have ordered a probe by the Special Task Force into the mysterious call from Iran to a meat trader in Meerut offering him money to engineer riots and blasts in the city, a senior police officer said.
A meat trader in Ismail Nagar of Meerut, approached the police claiming that he received three calls from Iran on the night of July 13, special director general of police Brij Lal told reporters.
Ilahi had alleged that the caller offered him Rs 2 crore to carry out blasts and engineer riots in the city.
"They called me from these three numbers + 9837173840, + 3444050 and + 7868970150," Hashim Ilahi added. He was apparently selected for the deadly assignment because "the last number of my mobile phone was 786", considered auspicious in Islam, a newspaper reported.
"The investigation into the case is being handed over to the STF. Initial investigation has revealed that the call originated from Iran and landed at India gateway through US and the subscriber got it through a private operator," the SDG said.

Source: http://english.samaylive.com/regional-news/uttar-pradesh-news/676490655/meerut-scary-phone-calls-for-planting-bombs.html

Ramanaji,

Ref: Sakshi news paper

UPA II is planning to introduce a bill in the parliament to add "ammonia nitrate" to the explosive materials list.

Why "Ouch"? I think that's a good idea.

Great idea! Rashtriya mechanism is slowly making it clear as to where they stand. More power to the folks. From Kashmir yatra, Delhi atrocities to Mumbai blasts the obsession is to fudge, obfuscate and deny justice. They should move and not make empty gestures.

Mumbai serial blasts linked to Varanasi, Delhi

Investigators probing the triple blasts in Mumbai on July 13 have narrowed down the likely perpetrators to terror outfit Indian Mujahideen. This is after investigators concluded that the bombs used in Mumbai were similar to those that went off in Varanasi last December and outside the Delhi high court this May.
“Ammonium nitrate along with fuel oil was used in the previous blasts and in both cases the bombs were small and kept in tiffin carriers, which allowed better portability,” said an officer on condition of anonymity.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/Mumbai-se ... 22760.aspx

may i ask humbly has police reached any conclusion in 2006 mumbai serial train blasts?

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Why haven't you been following the press coverage of the investigations of Inspector Sheikh Chilli Dogvijay Singh? It was the RSS with help from Dabba walas

i meant 'ouch' for the Maharashtra gov... Give's gujarat the publicity of a 'good' state in a way and thats GOTTA BE OUCH for any cangressi government right?

Ok, there is a contradiction here. From the Varanasi blasts thread, a TOI article claimed:

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city ... 169065.cms



So, was NH4NO3 used in the Varanasi bomb or was it only RDX? If it was not used, what is the credibility of the HT report, which claims a "similarity" to the Mumbai blasts on the basis of the bombs containing NH4NO3-fuel oil mixture?

These are pretty categorical statements in both places, and I think we do ourselves a disservice if we just ascribe the contradiction to "DDM-itis as usual."

Another instance where we have seen two completely contradictory streams of evidence: the Samjhauta Blasts. US intelligence agencies confirmed that the blasts had been carried out by an LeT operative, Arif Qasmani. Congress GOI, however, has gone out of its way to link the Samjhauta blasts to "Hindu terrorist" groups, claiming that RDX from Indian Army stock was supplied (via Colonel Purohit) to make the bombs. The trial of Purohit and his alleged co-conspirators, of course, has proved farcical. No connection to any IA RDX has been established.

So just a thought experiment here. If you were a Mainovadi like Digvijay Singh, and IF you wanted to blame blasts orchestrated by ISI/D-Company on "Hindu terrorists" instead, what would you do?

You would not admit the use of RDX. If RDX is admitted then some story has to be cooked up in order to cover up the involvement of Pakistan/ISI/LeT/D-Company. For example, the establishment of RDX in the Samjhauta Blast required the fabrication of "Colonel Purohit supplied RDX from Indian Army stock" ... an allegation that obviously stands on non-existent evidence.

Therefore, it is far better for you to simply deny that RDX is involved at all, and suppress reports which indicate the use of RDX in the devices. RDX, after all, means some "sophisticated enemy"... ISI and linked groups. You can't keep blaming IA officers all the time. So you simply claim (whatever the actual forensic evidence) that the bombs were NH4NO3 and fuel oil onlee.

I have learned from reading this thread that even NH4NO3 devices need a charge of RDX or some similar substance to set them off, but that may be lost on the general public. In the minds of aam janata, it may be fair to assume that RDX="sophisticated (foreign-linked) terrorist organization", but NH4NO3/fuel-oil = "homegrown terrorists", either dehaati IM types or "Hindu terrorists" depending on your predilections.

What evidence is there for the above speculation? None. But it is very curious, even Orwellian, to see reportage on the Varanasi blasts being altered so completely: from "RDX only without any NH4NO3" (TOI, Dec 26 2010) to "NH4NO3 plus fuel oil onlee" (HT, July 18 2011.)

DDM-itis? Or disinformation with an agenda?

Had it been a 26/11 type blasts or a Parl attack type stuff, by now they would have released the details of which sharpnel's pointer is from which lead shop in Karachi or which tailor has stitched the collar of the shirt etc would have come out. This is some this done by IM and hence we will get a lot of suspicious releases with no details.

Oh yes. Absolutely. And I think the Maharashtra government would deserve that.

I think Mumbai businesses get an unfair advantage from the overcrowding and misery. Slums and pavement dwellers reduce labor costs. The Mumbai dream is a twin dream of "Live on a pittance on the pavement but manage to avoid starvation" for the poor migrant and "Rake in profits because of a huge supply of cheap labor" for rich businessmen. No government in Maharashtra wants to upset this cosy system. They are paid off by the rich businessmen not to upset the apple cart and the poor pavement and slum dwellers have no say. Mumbai would richly deserve a defection/migration of businesses from there - leading to some people waking up to smell the coffee. Hopefully.

To give some credit to our investigative agencies - one can expect that not all details will be released and some details will be complete rubbish - giving the impression that they know when they don't and that they don't know when they do.

Yeah but releasing contradictory information about terrorist activities will lead to loss of credibility.

We have a long running thread on Varanasi blasts and frequent laments by me among others about lack of progress.

Some of the spokespersons can go thru and make sure contradictory info is not released.

BTW a spokesman for Diamond merchants said one day's business can install enough security that no one will think of setting of blasts in their area.
If govt cant provide security based on track record from 1993 they plan to move where they can get the security.

Its possible he was speaking with some bitterness after providing hafta to the ruling party such durghtana still happens.

Correct! There is an inherent contradiction there. The government is supposed to serve everyone, but takes hafta from everyone and serves no one.

If Mumbai corporation were to clear up pavement dwellers and slum dwellers
1. They would be trampling on the legal rights of those people unless they addressed their problems adequately
2. Many cheap services in Mumbai would be affected, leading to howls from the wealthy that the government was anti-business and racist.

If Mumbai has to clean things up legally, costs will rise. If costs rise, businessmen may pay costs, but will not pay hafta, so the politicians in Mumbai corporation and state government lose out. If they pay both costs and hafta, it will be cheaper to take the business elsewhere.

It's greed, greed, greed all around. Greed is institutionalized and accepted as fine and dandy until a terrorist attack occurs. After some time its back to greed. The "one's days money for security" is rubbish. Those cameras will require more police and staff for proper surveillance. That means more taxes.

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The post-blast photo showing all of that white smoke hanging in the air, is clear evidence that ANFO was used. RDX will blast without such smoke.

Also, as I've written earlier in this thread; the presence of broken glass that still hangs within the windshields and other windows of the nearby cars, clearly rules-out RDX or other high-brisance explosives.

It was definitely ANFO, and the priming charge was most likely a bit of TNT, probably of the sort that farmers will have on hand to kill prairie dogs and groundhogs and such (which dig holes in the ground that farm animals can break their legs in).

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Ravi, No farmer gets gunpowder let alone TNT in India. And there are no prairie dogs only Paki ones in India.

Pox on their houses. They couldn't catch the terrorists but could indulge in in-fighting. Very good job. What has PC to say about this?

NIA was stymied in Varanasi blast case too!

Meanwhile in Hindustan times today.........

For the sake of the law



What the writer seems to miss is that terror is no ordiniray crime. The methods to fight it cannot always be the ones that will stand judicial scrutiny in an open court without doing greater harm to the security of the nation.