Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

[Supratik]

I dont get this, why do advani supporters want modi to campaign for advani. Do it urself mr advani. Modi does not need anything from advani, his own record speaks and he can showcase his vision himself with support from cadre.

If the budda who cannot give way to people better than him, then let the guy rot and campaign for himself and motivate the cadre himself

Everyone here is a NM supporter except vina and theo. If someone can give a guarantee that under the present situation NM can deliver 200 seats for the BJP alone then there would be no problem. But this is a huge variable that nobody can predict. So we are trying to see if NM can be given a soft entry without dismantling the NDA even before the battle has begun.

[JohnTitor]

by not naming NM and going for vague nonsense or putting advani in front, you are playing the game according to congress rules and you.will.lose.

+1 Absolutely, this is what i've been saying all along

Actually, this NK-BJP tussle has got me thinking. I'd like BJP to pull the plug on the JDU alliance. But I get the feeling that NK isn't trying to pull out nor does he really care about who becomes PM (even for his own vote bank). It looks like he is being pushed to cause confusion within the NDA and therefore the voters. He won't break away unless he is kicked out. All he wants to do is ensure Modi's appeal is degraded to the point where UPA can win. I think its working.

The only way out of this is for BJP to kick him out and project Modi. If they continue this guessing game, they won't get the votes. I am 100% sure of that.

[Neela]

Better for the people. If BJP makes clear that Modi will not be PM candidate then Modi's supporters will have a chance to evaluate their options. If BJP does not want to be an instrument for bringing competent patriots to power then other instruments will be required.

You are not saying how it will be better.
What options do Modi's supporters have to evaluate? Vote Congress?
What are these other instruments?
WHat are you on about?

[harbans]

If NM was just a good administrator and nothing much beyond then i would sort of reconcile to Advani as lead whatever. Yet NM is much beyond a good administrator. He is a visionary and much of what he has done in Gujarat or has in vision is not shared by most or not well understood what exactly he stands for and by voting him in for what he stands for how it could affect Governance at it's basic levels. NM does not compromise with his vision of governance. Modi will be a failure at implementing someone else's vision of governance. How many politicians have you heard talking for example about lessening government and increasing governance. How many can even relate to the devolution of audits for boilers and lifts to certified classification societies from the clutches of governemnt controls and focusing on more relevant development issues.

Most politicians would remained mired and consume time on nitty gritties of political gamesmanship, vote counts, adjustments etc. Not NM. He possibly spends the least time on such issues. That is an aspect that a large section of the public has grasped. That is what many politicians have not grasped why NM is riding a wave. Many who don't understand that aspect will even question if there is a wave at all! Being a PM is not just about sitting on some Gaddi and acting all important and making all kinds of deals and adjustments. Today being a PM is about understanding what has gone wrong with governing polity and creating the right dynamics for change. The person which people think has grasped that is NM not RG, MMS, LKA, YS, JS, NK, JJ. None other than Modi.

Modi has touched people with some basics: The rejection of false ideas on Secularism as enshrined by the INC and Nitwits. Rejection of playing the Victim card whether OBC, SC, Religion, minority etc. The no nonsense focus on development and governance. To achieve all that he does not need to appease Paki's, Jinnah, US, EU anyone. Modi is his own man and must remain so. JMT

[James B]

[RajeshA]

When going into an election, what a party needs is a single hands-on inspirational PM candidate, a fired up cadre, a cohesive leadership, good candidates for the seats, sufficient funds, some trust balance and a message which touches the people and can create a wave!

That is a cohesive machinery!

Alliances can of course help and enable tactical voting and aggregation of vote "banks", but if the party does not show a cohesive machinery, then alliances cannot really help.

At the moment there is only one leader in India able to inspire the people and create a Pan-Indian wave. This leader is the main weapon in BJP's arsenal. With him, BJP has started to dream again of a chance at power. Without him, BJP is 2009.

[Sushupti]

For me great Khali is the tallest leader. Let us meet once again in 2019 when hopefully Loh Purush would have been "Allah ko Pyare".

[Sushupti]

Gujarat govt to seek death for Maya Kodnani, Babu Bajrangi, 8 others

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/gujar ... s/1103405/

[suryag]

^^^ WTF ?

[JohnTitor]

For those with teeter accounts, pls broadcast t his to the morons who think ABV said NM wasn't doing his duty -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5W3RCpOGbQ

[Abhijit]

^^^ WTF indeed! Why this overreach? To please whom?

[Sushupti]

It's very smart move by Gujarat Govt.

[kittoo]

It's very smart move by Gujarat Govt.

How so?

[Sagar G]

^^^^ There actions doesn't fall in the "rarest of rare" category and hence they won't be awarded the death penalty but by asking for it Gujarat govt. can claim that they have done there part and had asked for the max. punishment but the courts didn't oblige. So now no sekoolar guy can hound them for not asking for max punishment and whine about that infront of MSM.

[ashashi]

It's very smart move by Gujarat Govt.

How so?

I would guess, if NaMo becomes PM, people like Owaisi will be I'm their best behaviour
Any more communal roots and....

[harbans]

Before the Gujarat Govt had seeked death for the Sabarmati torchers, then in Sept 2012 it seeked death for those given life in the Ode massacre case. So it's consistent in that aspect.

[Sushupti]

Here JDU's Devesh Thakur is clearly saying that anyone else but Modi is OK as PM.

http://www.istream.com/news/watch/34840 ... rgets-Modi

Correlate above with silence of Loh Purush.

[Manish_Sharma]

Siddhartnath Singh, on timesnow, says an internal survey by BJP gives the party 40+ seats in UP. Tend to agree with that assessment with NaMo at forefront

This is very true, I have few friends in Meerut - Moradabad belt brahmins and vaishya castes, very involved in politics there. They are saying when Shri Mody comes to UP for campaign speech there will be a big surge towards bjp, in fact 90% votes of Tilak-Taraju-Talwar would go to bjp plus lots of BCs like kurmis as Shri Kalyan Singh is also back in bjp.

These people had predicted Mulayam's big comeback in last elections and came true. They are saying UC + some BCs have been waiting to vote for bjp last many years as when the new leader arrives filling the vaccum of Shri Vajpayee.

[Sushupti]

UPA vote & seat projection April 2013

http://www.istream.com/news/watch/34833 ... did=348393

[Sushupti]

@albatrossinfo 1m
Lessons to the patriarch; CVoter says "indecisiveness in announcing a leader is costing the BJP some 40-50 seats"

Where did albatross pull this out of now? The frustrating thing about election season is that it seems to give everyone a liberty to pull numbers out of their musharraff.

See here. Out of 13% swing from UPA only 6% is going towards NDA which is mainly BJP.

UPA vote & seat projection April 2013

http://www.istream.com/news/watch/34833 ... did=348393

[Hari Seldon]

Narendra Modi to campaign across the country

BJP president Rajnath Singh on Tuesday said Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi will campaign across the country, including Karnataka where Assembly poll will be held in May.

“He will campaign at all places. He will campaign in the whole country,” Singh said in reply to a question whether Modi will campaign in Karnataka.

BJP seeks to retain power in the state where the party is buffeted by internal differences after BS Yeddyurappa resigned from the Chief Minister’s post following corruption allegations.

On whether Modi’s name has also been proposed as the Prime Ministerial candidate from BJP, Singh said “I am the party president.”

Denying that BJP will snap ties with JD(U) which has reservations against Modi, Singh said the two parties will sit together to discuss the issue.

“No. Whatever happens and whenever it happens, we will sit together,” he said when asked whether BJP is planning to snap ties with JD(U) after Karnataka elections.

[Pranav]

Better for the people. If BJP makes clear that Modi will not be PM candidate then Modi's supporters will have a chance to evaluate their options. If BJP does not want to be an instrument for bringing competent patriots to power then other instruments will be required.

You are not saying how it will be better.
What options do Modi's supporters have to evaluate? Vote Congress?
What are these other instruments?
WHat are you on about?

Is there a need for competent and patriotic governance? Where there is a need means will emerge to satisfy it. Nature abhors a vaccuum. People need transparency. If a vote for BJP means a vote for Advani as PM, so be it ... but voters need to know.

[Pranav]

Let me put it bluntly. Advani being a Sindhi provokes no emotion in cow-belt. I doubt he will be able to win even a Nagarpalika election anywhere in UP and Bihar on his own persona without local BJP support. Only place advani can win on his own is Ulhasnagar near Mumbai.

It is not such a narrow parochial issue. By that logic Modi would have appeal only in Gujarat.

[Sushupti]

http://www.istream.com/news/watch/34840 ... did=348333

Listen to the Yashwant Deshmukh's initial observation, guy who headed the C-voters poll. As per him, BJP isn't gaining because it has failed to project Modi.

[Pranav]

For me great Khali is the tallest leader. Let us meet once again in 2019 when hopefully Loh Purush would have been "Allah ko Pyare".

Would the forces propping up Advani, after being in power for 5 more years, suddenly disappear by 2019?

Would they not find other anti-national elements to prop up and collaborate with.

Sir, the time to fight is now, nobody will come to rescue you in 2019.

Only question is whether Modi has what it takes.

[Sushupti]

Let me put it bluntly. Advani being a Sindhi provokes no emotion in cow-belt. I doubt he will be able to win even a Nagarpalika election anywhere in UP and Bihar on his own persona without local BJP support. Only place advani can win on his own is Ulhasnagar near Mumbai.

It is not such a narrow parochial issue. By that logic Modi would have appeal only in Gujarat.

Modi is MBC, more than that he is Hindu Hriday Smrat and now combined with his achievements in Gujarat, he is at different level. For Advani to have impact he should have mapped himself to one of the caste blocks. As per PP guy he is a Kayastha but it's too late now. Also, he (under able guidence of Sudhendra Kulkarni) has morphed himself into a secular Michael Jackson.

[Pranav]

You need a person far superior to the average rent-seekers to create a wave.

Advani is only an ordinary rent seeker. He seems to be scared of the dossiers the Congress may have on his relatives. Digvijay has promised that such dossiers will not be used but Advani needs to mind his behavior.

Yeah right,

BTW no living individual has yet created a wave in India.

PTI Feb 6, 2013

ALLAHABAD: Amid demand by some BJP leaders for projecting Narendra Modi as the party's prime ministerial candidate, VHP leader Ashok Singhal said on Wednesday the Gujarat chief minister enjoys the same popularity as that of the first Prime Minister Jawahar Lal Nehru.

"It is for the first time since the days of Jawahar Lal Nehru when a leader has come to enjoy such a massive popularity across the country," Singhal told reporters here at the ongoing Mahakumbh congregation.

http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes ... en-togadia

[vijayk]

Where did albatross pull this out of now? The frustrating thing about election season is that it seems to give everyone a liberty to pull numbers out of their musharraff.

See here. Out of 13% swing from UPA only 6% is going towards NDA which is mainly BJP.

UPA vote & seat projection April 2013

http://www.istream.com/news/watch/34833 ... did=348393

If Advani is announced as PM that will go down to -2%

Politics is about generating hope and vision. What did Advani do to inspire that in the last 8 years?

He said Black Money from abroad. Who knows what is that?

People suffer with price rises, lack of power, decent jobs. He could not articulate any thing.

He wrote an apology letter to Sonia on Gurumurthy's letter which she promptly leaked it second day. He inspired no body: young, old, middle aged or males or females.

[Singha]

As recently as early april, mms has not officially ruled out a third term , saying he will cross that bridge when he comes to it, indicating he wants to cross that bridge.

Another ageless loh purush who will hold office until he scores a century.

[vijayk]

one thing people! Don't be concerned over every Tom and Dick and every second real-time news on Modi that will be vomited by PAID MEDIA. Generally people make up opinion over a long a period of time. At the end, it matters to people if he is selected or not. All the noise in the middle will be ignored. Even Maya never thought she will receive such a thappad. Let the elections be announced. The anger of the people will explode.

Tid bit from very close source of Loksatta (JP) of AP: He was threatened with death and destruction by YSR last time to put a candidate in every constituency. All funding was provided by YSR and some to Chiranjeevi too. Muppallaji is right.

We need strategy, vision and execution. Advani of today has none.

[anmol]

So the evil middle class that does not care about anyone else is responsible for Modi's rise.

A class of his own

Christophe Jaffrelot :

Wed Apr 17 2013, 01:53 hrs

How the support of the neo-middle class has been crucial to Modi's rise

In December, Narendra Modi won the Gujarat election with the support, not only of the middle class, but also of what the state BJP called the "neo-middle class'' in its manifesto. According to the CSDS pre-electoral survey, not only did 57.4 per cent of the richest voters go the BJP way, but 54.2 per cent of the middle income bracket voters also did the same (against 28 and 34.4 per cent for the Congress respectively — which got the vote of the poor). This neo-middle class is made of aspiring groups that tend to change their political colour after migrating to an urban milieu. The shift is particularly striking in the case of the OBCs: while the Kolis vote more for the Congress when they are in a rural context (53 per cent), they move to the BJP the moment they join a semi urban constituency (that is, one with 25 to 75 per cent of urban voters) — 65 per cent of them do so. This shift is even more dramatic when the upwardly mobile OBCs end up in a city.

Rural constituencies of Gujarat are the only places where more voters support the Congress, while semi-urban and urban constituencies are almost fully behind the BJP. But the urban/rural divide is a proxy for class. What the above data shows is simply that caste identities — and caste-related political cultures — are submerged by class considerations when formerly rural groups come to the city, hoping to join the lower middle class. Their new ethos — or at least their aspirations — make them turn to Modi's BJP and its promise of jobs in the name of "development".

The propensity of the neo-middle class to support Modi's BJP in Gujarat can be easily explained without even factoring in the communal element (although it is arguably more developed in the urban context, notably because of recurring riots). The BJP of Gujarat simply paid more attention to the material interests of the urban middle class than to any other group, as is evident from its election manifesto.Among the relevant items of this carefully drafted document, one can cite the promise to construct 50 lakh houses, the increase of the age limit for entry into government jobs from 25 to 28, English medium schools, Rs 2,000 crore for flyovers and underpasses in cities, the building of mono rail in places other than Ahmedabad (where the project has already been planned) and insurance schemes. These are, typically, promises aiming at wooing the urban middle class.

But there's no need to further scrutinise pre-electoral promises. The actual polarisation of Gujarat's society speaks for itself. Modi's policy, over the last 10 years, has benefited the urban middle class more than anybody else. If Gujarat ranks only 11th out of 23 states in terms of the human development index, it's because groups in rural Gujarat continue to lag behind. Indeed, Gujarat is a case of social polarisation with the new rich in the cities and most of the groups that are at the receiving end concentrated in the villages. There, the number of families below the poverty line has jumped from 23.39 lakh in 2000 to 30.49 lakh in July 2012, according to the rural development commissioner. Unsurprisingly, 9 lakh of the 11 lakh houses without electricity, according to the Gujarat 2011 census, are in rural areas. In terms of education, the excellent report of the NGO, Pratham, shows that rural Gujarat was lagging behind states like Haryana.

Dalits and Adivasis (11.3 and 16.5 per cent of the state population, respectively) are particularly affected. For instance, the percentage of tribal underweight children (0-5 years old) is much higher in Gujarat than the tribal average at the national level (64.5 per cent compared to 54.5 per cent). The under-five mortality rate of tribal children is also much higher. Similarly, the percentage of Dalit participation in the NREGA programme is three times less in Gujarat (7.83 per cent) than in India at large (22.67 per cent). In fact, development has meant socio-economic polarisation, because Gujarat is a typical case of growth without development for all. The Gujarat chapter of the India Human Development Report of 2011 concluded that "the high growth rate achieved by the state over the years has not percolated to the marginalised sections of society, particularly STs and SCs, to help improve their human development outcomes".

That the middle class cares only for its interests is fair enough. But over the last two years, it has seemed that it was more and more concerned by corruption and the criminalisaton of politics — evident from the Anna Hazare movement which, arguably, was driven by the middle class.

Here, the record of Gujarat suggests a paradox. In this state, the middle class supports the BJP government in spite of uneven indicators in terms of the rule of law and a number of tainted former members of the government on the radar screen of the judiciary. Today, five Gujarat-based police officials — including senior IPS officers — are behind bars, waiting for their trial in Mumbai. They've been accused of being responsible for at least one of the many alleged fake encounters that have taken place in the years 2003-2006 in Gujarat. The most famous of these cases are those regarding Sohrabuddin, his wife Kauser bi and their friend Tulsiram Prajapati.

The CBI, in its chargesheet, named Amit Shah, the then minister of state for home, as the kingpin of the conspiracy. He was arrested in 2010, spent over three months in jail and, while on bail, was not allowed to return to Gujarat, lest he interfere with the investigators. He came back two months before the last state elections, was re-elected and, by all accounts, has again become a close aide of the chief minister. Maya Kodnani, also a former member of the state government, has been convicted for involvement in the 2002 violence in Ahmedabad. The Supreme Court has ordered the transfer of several cases to Maharashtra "to preserve the integrity of the trial".

BJP president Rajnath Singh has not only inducted Narendra Modi into the party's apex decision-making bodies, the parliamentary board and central election committee, but he has also appointed Amit Shah as one of the general secretaries of the party. And among the new national council members from Gujarat, figures also Babubhai Katara, a former BJP MP from Dahod who had been arrested in 2007 for human trafficking and was suspended from the party.

In this context, L.K. Advani has lectured his colleagues to ensure that the BJP remained "a party with a difference". But was it because the middle class cares for political cleanliness?


The writer is a senior research fellow at CERI, Sciences Po, Paris and professor of Indian politics and society at the King's India Institute, London, and non-resident fellow at the Carnegie Endowment for Peace

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[RamaY]

Narendra Modi doesn't need to be declared the PM candidate for him to go around and present his vision of Bharat to India and start mobilizing a positive wave. In fact it helps him to keep the opposition guessing and playing its tricks so the party as well as the nation can see the congress agents in BJP. More over he has the responsibility to rule Gujarat. If he were to be declared the candidate, he will be forced to identify a CM candidate, start Bharata Yatra and so on which is unnecessary at this time.

BJP doesn't need to declare its PM candidate until the elections are called for and the campaign goes full time. This way, it can keep the energies of coalition partners and potential allies focused on alliance building and also as a feedback mechanism. If BJP were to declare its candidate, NM or LKA or someone else, then any current or potential ally can play the dirty game of NiKu sighting one or other reason. This makes the allies stronger than they are and necessary.

D4 Gang, if it exists, do not want the candidate declared even when elections are declare until the results come out. This way they can keep their wet dreams alive for another few months and who knows? The horse might fly.

Only Nitish Kumar wants the BJP candidate declared. It is because if BJP declares NM and he is forced to accept it then Lallooo will eat him alive on the very secular plank that NiKu built his castles and it will hurt NiKu more than BJP. Imagine a scenario where BJP+NiKu have majority but BJP has the larger share of MLAs. More over NiKu's "secular" value goes down as NM continues to talk to various constituencies and builds base, who knows it can even dent NiKus Kurmi home base. If BJP declares NM as its PM candidates just before elections (90days or so), then NikU will have that much less time to come out of BJP and start making partners in state as well as national scene. If this were to happen, NiKu will be forced to accept all conditions Congress will put to keep his house (state) safe before he can even think of general elections. And as NM's appearances increase all over India, the pressure in NiKu increases by his opponents on his sikular credentials.

That is why NiKu has to make the move and demand what he is demanding.

The best response for BJP to ignore his demands and delay the process as much they can. If he leaves NDA, it should be his call only and even after that BJP need not declare NM's candidature until a time of its choosing.

[RamaY]

One should learn about Maya Kodnani so they can understand what made her what she is. The blame squarly falls on Muslims and MKG/JLN duo for not preventing partition riots.

Logic: if Muslims can be radicalized for Babri demolition, Leftists can be radicalized for the atrocities against poor, then why can't Hindus be radicalized for the continuous persecution by secular and pseudo-secular forces?

Early Life

Kodnani had her early education in a Gujarati-medium school school in Deesa of Banaskantha district. The school was set up and run by her father who had settled down in the town after fleeing in 1947 from the Tharparkar area of Sindh province, now in Pakistan.
Kodnani joined the Baroda Medical College from where she did her MBBS and Diploma in Gynaecology and Obstetrics. She set up Shivam Maternity Hospital at Kubernagar in Naroda.[6]
[edit]Political Career

Kodnani elected for three times from Naroda constituency as Member of Legislative Assembly.[2] After winning the elections in 2007, she was named as Minister for Women and Child Development of Gujarat,[2] but resigned from the post in 2009.[3]{Who gave her ticket for the first three times? Must be LKA, he is a Sindhi Hindu too.}

Role in the 2002 Gujarat riots

Kodnani was convicted of orchestrating the massacre of 95 people during the Naroda Gam and Naroda Patia riots that followed the Godhra train burning in February of 2002. [2][3] Witnesses testified that she handed out swords to Hindu rioters, exhorted them to attack Muslims and at one point fired a pistol,[7] and, according to testimony in the court, mobile phone records indicated that she was present at the scene of the riots. She was tried and, on August 31, 2012, convicted of murder and conspiracy to commit murder by a court in Ahmedabad and was sentenced to 28 years in prison.[7][8]
[edit]Personal life

Kodnani is an ethnic Sindhi Hindu, whose family migrated from Pakistan to India during partition. She is a gynaecologist by profession. She is married to general physician, Surendra Kodnani. [9]

[Pranav]

Narendra Modi doesn't need to be declared the PM candidate for him to go around and present his vision of Bharat to India and start mobilizing a positive wave. In fact it helps him to keep the opposition guessing and playing its tricks so the party as well as the nation can see the congress agents in BJP. More over he has the responsibility to rule Gujarat. If he were to be declared the candidate, he will be forced to identify a CM candidate, start Bharata Yatra and so on which is unnecessary at this time.

BJP doesn't need to declare its PM candidate until the elections are called for and the campaign goes full time. This way, it can keep the energies of coalition partners and potential allies focused on alliance building and also as a feedback mechanism. If BJP were to declare its candidate, NM or LKA or someone else, then any current or potential ally can play the dirty game of NiKu sighting one or other reason. This makes the allies stronger than they are and necessary.

D4 Gang, if it exists, do not want the candidate declared even when elections are declare until the results come out. This way they can keep their wet dreams alive for another few months and who knows? The horse might fly.

Only Nitish Kumar wants the BJP candidate declared. It is because if BJP declares NM and he is forced to accept it then Lallooo will eat him alive on the very secular plank that NiKu built his castles and it will hurt NiKu more than BJP. Imagine a scenario where BJP+NiKu have majority but BJP has the larger share of MLAs. More over NiKu's "secular" value goes down as NM continues to talk to various constituencies and builds base, who knows it can even dent NiKus Kurmi home base. If BJP declares NM as its PM candidates just before elections (90days or so), then NikU will have that much less time to come out of BJP and start making partners in state as well as national scene. If this were to happen, NiKu will be forced to accept all conditions Congress will put to keep his house (state) safe before he can even think of general elections. And as NM's appearances increase all over India, the pressure in NiKu increases by his opponents on his sikular credentials.

That is why NiKu has to make the move and demand what he is demanding.

The best response for BJP to ignore his demands and delay the process as much they can. If he leaves NDA, it should be his call only and even after that BJP need not declare NM's candidature until a time of its choosing.

In fact, it is better to weed out those "allies" that have a problem with Namo.

Why set aside 30 seats for Nitish when we know he is going to walk out as soon as Namo is proposed for PM. Better that those seats be contested by nationalists.

And why da **** should Namo go around presenting his vision of India when we know that the senile and compromised Advani is the first choice.

[RamaY]

^ weeding out is not a good strategy. Weakening them is a good strategy. As someone said, he is a good administrator and India/Bihar can benefit from him. But in a role that is congruent to his power/vision and a role that is dependent on NM's larger vision.

Imagine NiKu had 100 points of power in 2010 when he was re-elected. What is his power after he became Bikhari in Delhi streets? What will be his power as the elections come close and BjP doesn't declare it's candidate? What will be his power if NM is declared the candidate just before elections? And so on...

You will get the picture.

[Pranav]

^ weeding out is not a good strategy. Weakening them is a good strategy. As someone said, he is a good administrator and India/Bihar can benefit from him. But in a role that is congruent to his power/vision and a role that is dependent on NM's larger vision.

Imagine NiKu had 100 points of power in 2010 when he was re-elected. What is his power after he became Bikhari in Delhi streets? What will be his power as the elections come close and BjP doesn't declare it's candidate? What will be his power if NM is declared the candidate just before elections? And so on...

You will get the picture.

The best way to weaken Nitish is to declare Namo as PM candidate well in advance. That way BJP cadres get time to contest all seats, and Nitish will have very limited bargaining power when he goes begging to Congressis. JD(U) can be split and any credible figures within JD(U) can be given BJP tickets.

The cost of not declaring Modi is that people will realize that BJP tall leaders are very willing to become tools of Jehadists, EJ's, Commies and Congis.

[Sanku]

A split in Bihar is just what EJs, Jehadists and Commies and Congies want.

Not falling in their trap and working around it is what is called for.

[Pranav]

A split in Bihar is just what EJs, Jehadists and Commies and Congies want.

What EJs et al fear most is a direct fight against Modi.

They realize that Nitish can be most helpful to them by staying within NDA and blocking Modi.

Advani becomes a useful tool because of his lust for power, his fear of Maino, and his general incompetence.

[Sanku]

A split in Bihar is just what EJs, Jehadists and Commies and Congies want.

What EJs et al fear most is a direct fight against Modi.

They realize that Nitish can be most helpful to them by staying within NDA and blocking Modi.

Advani becomes a useful tool because of his lust for power, his fear of Maino, and his general incompetence.

What EJs fear is power going out of their hand, which is what you are effectively pushing against. If BJP wins, even with NaMo as a HM or similar, EJs would still have to confront him.

Rest is all random CTs, I can not stop you from making those statements, but I can certainly point to glaring holes in those.

[Sanku]

http://ibnlive.in.com/news/shiv-sena-wa ... 37-64.html

Mumbai: There seems to be more trouble for the National Democratic Alliance as the Shiv Sena has now said that the Bharatiya Janata Party should make it clear as to who will be its Prime Ministerial candidate. An editorial in the Shiv Sena mouthpiece, Saamna, says an NDA meeting should be called and a decision should be taken.
In reference to Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi, the editorial further says that while naming the PM candidate may get the BJP five to 10 seats extra, some old allies will leave costing the NDA as many as 25 seats. The editorial also tells the BJP not to take them for granted. The mouthpiece says, "While Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi may be one of the PM candidates, the BJP must note that the NDA will take a final decision."