Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 30 Jan 2014 05:02

nawabs wrote:Modimatics: Minimum 240, target 300

http://www.sunday-guardian.com/investig ... target-300

http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 9#p1540069

niran wrote:according to congress own internal survey, as of November 4 2013, congress 96 seats bhajapa 302 seats, basapa 17 seats sapa paltry 2 seats(that is the reason for 32000sq feet land to bhenji in lutyens dilli and sapa told to hang their cycle on their heads) Tmc 22, communists 9 ncp 3 rest is between the sena etc etc.
raj takeray already have a pact with NaMo and Oodhaw takeray, it will be revealed at opportune time.

Just a couple of days ago, went to local temple and prayed-- among other things , my mind involuntarily wandered into--> make NaMo India's pm and for progress and development--> less corruption, less poverty etc.
never has this occurred for me before-- i have done for singular non political things like winning cricket world cup, GSLV, chandrayaan, mangalyaan, Agni missile tests.

never never for any politician!!

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 30 Jan 2014 05:06

nawabs wrote:Modimatics: Minimum 240, target 300

http://www.sunday-guardian.com/investig ... target-300

Epic... if true. Sample this...

Surveys are being conducted of 380 constituencies where it is expected that the BJP has a chance of winning, and in each, names are being vetted who would add an extra boost to the campaign if nominated as the party candidate, rather than drag down the ticket. This is in the context of reports that several seats were lost in Delhi and Chhattisgarh because of poor choice of candidates, including some who "bought their nomination".

Zimbly wow. Good that effups happened in Dilli and 36garh in time enough to wake up team namo to this pressing matter. Heck, even dumbo ghandy had sense enough o ID the fact that it is candidate selection that lies at the core of the pre-poll discretionary powers the high command, well, commands...

The target is to secure 300 seats for the BJP alone, or in the "worst case" scenario, 240. Preliminary calculations indicate that any tally beyond 200 for the party will ensure either the BJP leads the government, or that any alternative government would collapse in a couple of years, leading to a fresh election that the BJP would sweep. However, rather than 2016 or Rahul Gandhi's reminder to his flock about 2019, the intention is to "win now, and win big". A BJP tally beyond 220 would "ensure that Prime Minister Modi has a strong hand to effect needed reforms", a key strategist claimed, adding that "any tally above 240 would put him in a position where he would smoothly be able to fulfil his promise of prosperity with security and stability" to the voter.

Crystal clear understanding of the situ. kudos.

Aware that the BJP has become an enervated outfit, with cadre activity considerably reduced since Prime Minister Atal Behari Vajpayee took a conscious decision in 2001 to move away from the saffron model towards a more Congress model of party development... cadre disenchantment with the functioning of the Vajpayee government contributed to the party's defeat in 2004.{certainly true in UP and the self-goals there with Kalyan's removal...o lawrd!} BJP Prime Minister designate Narendra Modi is aware that a high tally is essential for him to have the credibility and depth of institutional support needed to achieve his plan of re-organisation of the working of government agencies.

Indications are that a Modi-led government would be very different from the "politician-heavy" governments that have been in vogue since 1947. The names of technocrats and experts such as Deepak Parekh, General V.K. Singh and even scientist Anil Kakodkar are doing the rounds as possible entrants, although all of this remains speculation. What is clear is that a Modi-led government would "function under his leadership and in fulfilment of his promises to the electorate", rather than — as with the Manmohan Singh Council of Ministers — be a collection of "feudal lords, each jealously safeguarding their independence from the Prime Minister's Office".

Too good. a keeper this one. Very presidential in style and substance.... both authority and accountability vested in the same man... nice. Now we know what we've been missing in the lost decade of the past...

The Congress Party is likely to cross double-digit wins only in Maharashtra, Kerala, Karnataka and Assam, according to number crunchers active in assessing the situation.
[...]
Calculations made on the basis of ground-level research suggest that "in UP, 45 Lok Sabha seats are feasible, and 25 in Bihar", according to these strategists, who say that "this time around, there could be a clean sweep in MP and Gujarat, while in Rajasthan the only non-BJP seat will be that of the late Sis Ram Ola". They place the number of alliance seats in Maharashtra at 35, while the BJP is expected to get 17 seats in Karnataka. The expectation is that the alliance will get at least 7 seats in Haryana, as well as all except two seats in Punjab, and four in Delhi.

feel good piece no doubt. Time to return to reality...

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 30 Jan 2014 05:09

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/opi ... ms?curpg=2

AAP was a bubble waiting to burst.

MJ Akbar: Do not take my views on it. All opinion polls are showing that the Modi force is now
gathering greater momentum as the elections near. Let me remind you of one
simple statistical fact. This is the pattern which is visible since 2009.
Whoever is winning, including the UPA in 2009, is winning handsomely and above
expectations. TIt happened in UP, Punjab, Karnataka, Gujarat, Madhya Pradesh, Rajasthan.
Barring the exception may be in Uttarakhand.

Everywhere when people are
reposing their faith in whoever they believe will win, they are giving a very
handsome win. It is almost as if the people do not want to give the politicians
they elect an alibi, an excuse to fail; it is because that trust is so high that
the punishment for failure is also so dangerous. The UPA is beginning to
understand that now. ..
On Modi not talking to media--Instead of blaming politicians it is time that media took a look at itself. A
conversation is not a shouting match. Some of the television programmes that
have now emerged are too loud to understand. Hysteria is not dialogue.

The important thing is reaching the people. You can get a sense of who has
reached the people, whether it is directly or through media. Rahul Gandhi has
the perfect privilege to talk or not talk to the media. One of the important
takeaways from this int ..

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 30 Jan 2014 05:11

Of all people , got the shock of my life---rather pleasant one.

shq all of a sudden who is non political-- did not know anything about NaMo or pappu-- said pappu is worse than fail.
I nearly fell off the chair.

she says her friends, and her news items(mostly entertainment cooking etc etc ) were full of it.

To say that even my shq talks in these terms about pappu--

bad news for congis.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 30 Jan 2014 06:44

same here. wife asked me last night how RaGa interview went. I said the obvious - epic fail and indicative of his true talent level.

ashashi · Post by **ashashi** » 30 Jan 2014 07:41

ramana wrote:Most likely 36 per PoliticsParty!!!

What is PP's track record?

PP current Prediction. Seems far fetched.

JD(U) - 0
JD(S) - 0
TDP - 0
SP - 0
BSP - 0
DMK - 0

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 30 Jan 2014 07:48

Folks - this article seems a bit of an exaggeration, but if true, it would mean that JR is also an utter moron. Or that JR and PG set up RG to fail.

http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report-ja ... ew-1958187

Did JR and PG prompt RG to make such ridiculous replies?

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 30 Jan 2014 07:51

Yup...moi normally apolitical shq also went outta her way to watch a coupla youtube parts of the interview and called out the sham for what it was.

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 30 Jan 2014 07:51

nawabs wrote:Modimatics: Minimum 240, target 300

http://www.sunday-guardian.com/investig ... target-300

Aware that the BJP has become an enervated outfit, with cadre activity considerably reduced since Prime Minister Atal Behari Vajpayee took a conscious decision in 2001 to move away from the saffron model towards a more Congress model of party development, Team Modi has been busy setting in place its own framework for the implementation of Vision 2014, which is the securing not just of 272 Lok Sabha seats, but 300. BJP strategists are aware that cadre disenchantment with the functioning of the Vajpayee government contributed to the party's defeat in 2004. BJP Prime Minister designate Narendra Modi is aware that a high tally is essential for him to have the credibility and depth of institutional support needed to achieve his plan of re-organisation of the working of government agencies.

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 30 Jan 2014 07:57

Jairam Ramesh and Priyanka prompted Rahul Gandhi from behind the camera during the recording of interview

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 30 Jan 2014 08:03

^^ This guy is even more unreal than I thought!! Whoever said that Zombies are SciFi must visit NewDelhi.

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 30 Jan 2014 08:55

Rahul Mehta · Post by **Rahul Mehta** » 30 Jan 2014 08:57

Christopher Sidor wrote: What Modi has said does not inspire confidence. It is as if he is playing to the gallery and not giving any concrete solutions.

GDP * 10 = Rs 1000,00,000 crore worth observation.

NaMo has been least bad CM of all CMs India has seen, but he also got a good start and he got a string anti-defection law to suppress dissenting MLAs. And NaMo has NOT done any magic in Gujarat. Gujarat was no. 1 in India in many ways and NaMo kept that position. It is NOT that Gujarat has become better than USA or even better than a rundown country like China. But then in India, much of the power is with Central Govt and there isnt much state can do. So NaMo cant be faulted with not bringing Gujarat at par with USA or Germany or SoKo or even (sic) China.

Other than that, NaMo has NOT not given any solution to any of the mega problem that Central Govt is supposed to solve. NaMo has created a hope and hype that he managed State Govt well and so he can manage Central Govt well. The hopes and hypes are baseless, because running State Govt is 10th class job while running Central Govt Ph D level task. But then fansboys and fangals can never distinguish between hype and reality --- whether it is case of AK-fanboy/fangal, SRK-fanboy/fangal, Salman-fanboy/fangal, Hritik-fanboy/fangal or NaMo-fanboy/fangal . The fanboys\fangals assume reel life same as real life. And so they assume that a good performance in 10th class means good performance in PhD.

In many respect AK-fanboy/fangal and NaMo-fanboy/fangal are similar. AK has been extrapolated from 0.1 to 100 and NaMo has been extrapolated from 8 to 100. But in both cases, fanboy/fangal do not even realize that they are looking at a highly extrapolated image and not any reality. There are great speeches and great oratory on both sides. Reel lives are excellent. But if you ask for Gazette drafts that in the end will reduce the mess, fanboy/fangal and both shy away or start abuses.

NaMo\BJP have created a FALSE belief that "country doesnt need good laws ; country only needs a good PM" . And MNC-owners are able to plant AK precisely using this very false belief BJP leaders created. Since BJP leaders themselves said that "country doesnt need good laws ; country only needs a good PM", now AK-420 faces zero burden of providing good law-drafts and can only pose his clean image as "clean PM" and solution to all problems.

The NaMo-fans will also insist that "country doesnt need good laws ; country only needs a good PM". However, NaMo-fans agree that TRVS = two round voting system is good, and without TRVS it is difficult to get good person to become PM. Well, then same logic applies on all positions in administration. In absence of good recruiting\expulsion\promotion law-drafts , it is difficult for good people to get jobs in govt and rise. And so good law-drafts to recruit\expel govt officials are necessary along with a good PM. But that issue of good law-drafts other than TVRS is a no-go for NaMo-fans, as NaMo cant support good recruitment\expulsion law-drafts.

All in all, BJP-leaders attempt to shut down nationlists' voices on legislative reforms using their sheer organization/money power is now helping anti-nationals like AK-420. AK-420 no longer has to answer the question "what law-drafts will AAP provide to fix Central Govt?".

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How many Congress voters saw interview of RaGa and paid-Arnab? Zero. So Congress lost zero votes. And now NaMo will be forced to give interview or forced to say NO. So NaMo will lose votes to AK-420 !! OR NaMo will be forced to make concessions to MNC-owners he NaMo wants paid-Arnab to ask easy questions. So interview of RaGa and paid-Arnab will cause loss to NaMo.

rajsunder · Post by **rajsunder** » 30 Jan 2014 09:03

KJoishy wrote:I don't think Rahul is a crook, I think he means well. But he just does not seem to have the drive to come up the hard way and is happy to have things handed to him. His whole thrust in the interview was make me PM and I will change the system. He has no track record to fall back on. He should have become some sort of Minister in the MMS Govt and displayed his capabilities. That was crucial, people can say he hasn't run anything. Modi has run a whole state for 13 years and has a wealth of experience in difficult conditions. I think that Rahul was put in the situation of having to defend the indefensible as some here said. Even NaMo cannot defend a record of scams of decay. The only way out is to talk about the future and sell that vision, which is what Rahul tried to do but it came out very poorly.

If Rahul wanted to be a breath of fresh air, he should have wholeheartedly apologized for the 1984 riots while saying that he was 13 and wasn't personally involved. He should openly own up that the Congress regime under MMS has had a lot of scams and is neck deep in corruption. People like honesty and I got the feeling that Rahul knows all of this, but has been ordered not to confess. He isn't a good liar and that was very evident.

Xposting here.

If he meant well he would have come out openly on 2G, Coal Scam, his brother in law dealings and his own national inquirer scam(i am not sure about the news paper name). rahul is just a follow on of the dynasty rule. If i remember correctly, news papers talked the same way u speak about rajiv, and we all know how he turned out to be.

sudarshan · Post by **sudarshan** » 30 Jan 2014 09:22

krishnan wrote:

Great! Thank you, sir. Should serve to shut some twits up.

Moi was lucky in choice of SHQ - as hardcore a Bharatiya Nari as they come. But I say - the more the SHQs start seeing past RaGa's dimpled cheeks into the khaali khopdi, the more certain one can be that change is coming.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 30 Jan 2014 09:24

Moi thinks Rahul Gandhi has been too naive. When specifically asked if Congressmen were involved, he could have answered it in one of the following ways:
1. No, Congressmen were not involved. The politicians who are being investigated or have court cases against them are innocent until proven guilty. And to my best knowledge the government did the best and so did the Congress as a party.

2. Yes, and I am sorry that some Congressmen were involved or gave directions to the rioters. As a VP, I apologize on behalf of the party and I hope the law takes its course and provides justice to the victims or their families.

#1 is the safest route even if it is a lie. #2 is the truth which people will appreciate but Delhi Durbar and Congress party will not appreciate. It is a gamble, because it could potentially break Congress party as we now know it. 2014 elections would have been toast. There would be several votes for his honesty, and Congress could have gained some voteshare (maybe). But it gives a big stick to BJP to beat Congress, Media and the NGOs. 2-3 months of deploying this stick would have ensured Congress did not stand on its legs for a long time.

However, Rahul Gandhi - the individual who seems to be torn between becoming the King or the Sanyasi; chose a #3 option.

#3. 'Probably' some Congressmen were involved. But the government did everything to stop the riots.

The word 'probably' is key here. It is the closest he will come to admission - because he knew the truth then or realized it afterwards. But his insistence that the government did everything would not gel with the people. Even if there was no directive from Rajiv or any Nehru-Gandhi family, Congressmen were involved and they would have used the institutions to abet/aid the rioters. Involving the government machinery/institutions would have been noticed and brought to the "higher ups"; who would have kept quiet. Even for argument's sake Rajiv/Nehru-Gandhi dynasty had ZERO part in the riots, Congress party became involved.

Is he really naive? Or is there some Chunkian/Chankian motive behind?

So why did he not lie, and decide to open a can of worms? Though the word "probably" gives him an escape route; it is going to cost Congress in the next few weeks. Damage control has began. Will the screws be tightened on Gujarat 2002 riots later? After a few weeks of discussing 1984, people will slowly move on. Then the discussions will start just near the elections about 2002; and it will hang in the air and influence voters - if not consolidating Muslim and 'secular' votes.

I am waiting for some startling news as the elections come near.

member_20317 · Post by **member_20317** » 30 Jan 2014 09:41

RoyG wrote:Grandparents will be attending Meerut Rally. It's supposed to be a big one. Rebellion against British began from area which is now a temple. Energy is quite high.

Kali Paltan Mandir. I try to get a darshan every time I am in Meerut.

AAP is also working in the Ghaziabad-Meerut belt. Fund collection etc. Some of the BJP voters may again fall for it. But if BJP gives out a clear message that it is different from AAP then AAP is going to feast only on Congress votes.

IndraD wrote:http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/opi ... ms?curpg=2
AAP was a bubble waiting to burst.

MJ Akbar:
On Modi not talking to media--Instead of blaming politicians it is time that media took a look at itself. A
conversation is not a shouting match. Some of the television programmes that
have now emerged are too loud to understand. Hysteria is not dialogue.

Justice Ornob and Deepak Chaurasiya. Twins lost in Khumb mela. One went to Oxford other probably to IIMC and both ended up the same loud irrational bickering hosts. I watch these only to understand the stands of the parties that they latest represent.

India TV used to be horrible but Sharma sahib is at the very least a quieter fellow.

NaMo should be doing real politics - that of getting his prospective MPs to go and talk to the people instead of talk show hopping. NaMo is doing good. Bhaad mein jaye MSM.

johneeG · Post by **johneeG** » 30 Jan 2014 09:45

Kjo saar,
I think pappu is a crook, saar. Even at this late stage, he is still bluffing. The problem is not with his mind as many seem to believe. I think the problem is with his heart and attitude. He seems to believe that there is nothing wrong with the kind of rule perpetuated by his ancestors. Thats the main problem. He has infact tried to defend the rule of last decade also.

I think he should simply apologize to NaMo, if not in public then in private. He should assure people that he will change his and his party's attitude going forward. And he should start by stopping all the loot that is perpetuated through the charity foundations named after his pappa. He should then fire the kongis that are involved in various scams. He should stop appeasement politics and should not allow such politics to hamper national security.

But, I don't think he is interested in all that. I don't think he even sees a need for all that. I think he is just ignorant and arrogant(not dumb). He was taught that keeping the people powerless and ignorant will keep them in power. Thats the model followed by his ancestors. So, he is trying to perpetuate the same model. He has not invented this system. But, he is not really questioning the system(despite all the nautanki). Infact, his goal is to perpetuate the system. He has not come up with a single concept that would actually question the system which keeps people like him in total power and keeps the aam aadhmi powerless.

He says,"I want to change the system" because he was told that saying it will get him popularity and votes. He doesn't believe in it and he certainly is not interested in giving up his power or perks.

The problem is more fundamental: at the level of attitude or heart. If there was a will, then he would have found a way by now. The real issue is that he has no will to change the system. Infact, he wants to continue the system.

Thats the problem. I think as long as he looks upon his ancestors as the guide, this problem will continue for him. He must understand that his ancestors were wrong leaders. He should not try to emulate them or glorify them. Rather make a break and change. He had a chance to make a completely new radical change. But, he lost the opportunity.

But, he is a passive crook...like someone who is born in a theives' family and thinks its totally ok to steal. And he is stealing and his family has been stealing from the people... from the very people who trusted them and gave them respect and power. So, its not just stealing but betrayal and ingratitude. He seems to believe that thats the ways to be. Unless this fundamental attitude is changed, nothing is going to change.

I think the criticism of kongis/dynasty should be at that level, instead of merely saying that pappu should have given a better performance.

To give an analogy:
if a scion of a theives family(heading a huge network of theives) was caught while trying to steal by a constable(who himself may or may not be corrupt), what should people say?
a) Should the people make fun of him that he was caught redhanded and call him dumb?
or
b) Should the people criticize him for trying to steal and call him a crook?

Many people are taking the option (a). I think they should take the option (b).

niran · Post by **niran** » 30 Jan 2014 09:48

SwamyG wrote:Moi thinks Rahul Gandhi has been too naive. When specifically asked if Congressmen were involved.

either you yourself is naive or is faking naivety, for a person being interviewed for first time in a decade plus years that too who spends around a billion INR per year on clothings and shaving, who has 13 khanland election eggsperts has 3 companies just to tell him what to speak how to speak where to speak
when to speak would not have the answers ready it was from his heart even the questions were from the
team not the so called journo the answer were there, it was shot and edited and then telecast as live
for better perspective one billion rupee high flying uenjeenear earns in his lifetime those normal flying
or lowflying or those who walks can onree dream about it

SriKumar · Post by **SriKumar** » 30 Jan 2014 09:56

SwamyG wrote:Moi thinks Rahul Gandhi has been too naive. When specifically asked if Congressmen were involved, he could have answered it in one of the following ways:
1. No, Congressmen were not involved. The politicians who are being investigated or have court cases against them are innocent until proven guilty. And to my best knowledge the government did the best and so did the Congress as a party.

2. Yes, and I am sorry that some Congressmen were involved or gave directions to the rioters. As a VP, I apologize on behalf of the party and I hope the law takes its course and provides justice to the victims or their families.

#1 is the safest route even if it is a lie. #2 is the truth which people will appreciate but Delhi Durbar and Congress party will not appreciate. It is a gamble, because it could potentially break Congress party as we now know it. 2014 elections would have been toast. There would be several votes for his honesty, and Congress could have gained some voteshare (maybe). But it gives a big stick to BJP to beat Congress, Media and the NGOs. 2-3 months of deploying this stick would have ensured Congress did not stand on its legs for a long time.

However, Rahul Gandhi - the individual who seems to be torn between becoming the King or the Sanyasi; chose a #3 option.

#3. 'Probably' some Congressmen were involved. But the government did everything to stop the riots.

The word 'probably' is key here. It is the closest he will come to admission - because he knew the truth then or realized it afterwards. But his insistence that the government did everything would not gel with the people. Even if there was no directive from Rajiv or any Nehru-Gandhi family, Congressmen were involved and they would have used the institutions to abet/aid the rioters. Involving the government machinery/institutions would have been noticed and brought to the "higher ups"; who would have kept quiet. Even for argument's sake Rajiv/Nehru-Gandhi dynasty had ZERO part in the riots, Congress party became involved.

Is he really naive? Or is there some Chunkian/Chankian motive behind?

So why did he not lie, and decide to open a can of worms? Though the word "probably" gives him an escape route; it is going to cost Congress in the next few weeks. Damage control has began. Will the screws be tightened on Gujarat 2002 riots later? After a few weeks of discussing 1984, people will slowly move on. Then the discussions will start just near the elections about 2002; and it will hang in the air and influence voters - if not consolidating Muslim and 'secular' votes.

There was no good answer. To blandly say that no congress persons were involved would have made him the laughing stock of those who were not affected in the riots, and made him a target of renewed anger for those who lost relatives (sikhs) or friends (who could be sikhs or hindus) in the riots in the same city where the interview is being conducted. Such a response would have been seized upon by Arnab first, and the people next. Would not have been easy to say that sitting in Delhi.

As it is, his lack of willingness to apologize scratches an open wound for those whose loved ones were killed/injured/molested in the riots. It is more than just an election issue for them. (The dna article above has a more measured answer (i.e. say that some congressis were convicted, SG has apologized for loss of life etc. etc.) but any give in the position would likely have brought Arnab picking at it further. One thing the interview clearly showed to all, even the casual viewer is RG simply does not have any answers to some questions and will blatantly dodge them. It removes all doubt about his being even remotely prime minister material. One has to remind oneself that that is 43-year old man who answered in the manner he did.

johneeG · Post by **johneeG** » 30 Jan 2014 10:01

I think its high time pappu comes clean before the dhesh. The only problem that I see is the phoreners and the kongis will turn against him and deploy all their arsenal to destroy him. But, I think its better for these people to turn against you than for you to alienate the people.

Pappu should follow this model:
Really rebel against his own party and his ancestors' model(because it has failed anyway). Take up the mantle of being a good leader. Not pretence, but really take it up. No need to hire all the PRs and all that. Take up the PMship and cleanse the system. Its just 3 months anyway. Go for the nuke option. He has to realize that the kongi model has failed. There is no point in continuing to perpetuate this corrupt and unfair system which loots the people.

- He should come clean on black money(including the money appropriated by his ancestors).
- He should take tough measures on terrorism.
- He should control inflation. NaMo has already said he has given several advices on that front on how to control inflation.

There are several committees that have given many good advices. Pappu should implement them. If he does that in the next 3 months, he will salvage his political career and even his party(or maybe create a new party). But, if he continues with these same old nonsense of trying to fool and loot the people, I don't think people will appreciate that. Its not the words, but actions that are needed. For that, he needs to change his attitude first. He needs to recognize that looting and lying is wrong. He needs to understand that power is to serve the people. He needs to understand that a leader is really there for the people and not vice versa.

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EDIT:
Pappu should follow the hero of this movie and conduct the IT raids on his own MLAs and MPs after becoming PM:

Then, Pappu will become hero overnight.

And kongis will be atleast in a position to become an opposition. Otherwise, it seems to me that they are headed toward irrelevancy.

Prem Kumar · Post by **Prem Kumar** » 30 Jan 2014 10:21

Rahul talks women's empowerment. Here is how Modi does it:

http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes ... n-sarpanch

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 30 Jan 2014 10:45

Maybe Rahul is not really as naive/dumb as we all want or think. Because if he wins and gets his wishes and wants, does it matter if his IQ is 40 or 140 ? If the Telegraph article is true then Arnab had a chai-pakora session with Priyanka. And surely, whatever be the integrity (or lack) of Arnab be; there would have been preparatory work done. Questions anticipated. Questions setup. Unless Rahul was offered as the sacrificial lamb, he would not have been sent to appear like a fool. It probably was to energize the cadres. He did not answer Arnab, because he did not care. He was speaking to a different audience and had a different agenda. All Arnab was doing was a giving him a platform.

Was Arnab the one who was setup? He would not care too. Because he scored one of the most sought after interview. His fans would love him.

sooraj · Post by **sooraj** » 30 Jan 2014 11:17

How this will affect her prime ministerial ambitions

Setback for Jayalalithaa, SC directs Tamil Nadu CM to face trial in income tax case
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 592452.cms

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 30 Jan 2014 11:58

Well, if its rumor season, lemme do my bit...

chaiwala sources say buzz is that Kiran Bedi may be approached to stand LS polls from New Delhi constituency. Has a decent shot of winning too. May be made Min. of state for Home in a modi administration if all goes well, and charged with implementing 'em police reforms and all or so I hear....

niran · Post by **niran** » 30 Jan 2014 12:24

SwamyG, saar the yield from the script is altogether different mater

meanwhile Akaali dal are getting free bathing in front of kangress HQ
Jaya told to behave or else......
congress move to checkmate japatti in MP so that Digvijay becomes Rajaya sabha member backfires
his chela IAS affaar sec. of IT gets a raid from MP lokayukta chaibiskut money worth 60 keyeoar confiscated

gandharva · Post by **gandharva** » 30 Jan 2014 12:31

japatti?

JohnTitor · Post by **JohnTitor** » 30 Jan 2014 12:36

Rahul Mehta wrote:
kmkraoind wrote:Its big, it will demolish Secular arguments of Con. Now allies are pouring into BJP. This time voter may be voting not for the local MP, nor the party, its for Modi, its for India.

@dna 35m - #Breaking National Conference open to supporting Modi says Farooq Abdullah. Says the onus of NC-BJP alliance lies with #OmarAbdullah.

Shonu wrote: WAH!

How the circle has turned 360! This was the VERY same man (OA) who broke off alliance with NDA because of the very SAME man (NM) over 2002. I guess he is over 2002.. maybe he should speak to MSM who will remind him in very similar words to these .. NM orchestrated the whole thing and enjoyed the show while eating popcorn and viewing the whole thing on a 80inch LCD screen with surround sound! It is better OA reconsiders it now rather than halfway into BJPs new term
It would be 180 degree, not 360 degrees

It is 360 and NOT 180. If you read my post, you will realise what I am saying:

2001 - NDA partner
2009 - NDA bad/ UPA good
2014 - back to NDA (?? - possibly)

from 2001 to 2014 is a 360 (i.e. back where you started, as explained so eloquently by your video). Rahuljii, I never expected to have to explain to you of all people, being from IIT and all

JohnTitor · Post by **JohnTitor** » 30 Jan 2014 12:43

krisna wrote:Of all people , got the shock of my life---rather pleasant one.

shq all of a sudden who is non political-- did not know anything about NaMo or pappu-- said pappu is worse than fail.
I nearly fell off the chair.
she says her friends, and her news items(mostly entertainment cooking etc etc ) were full of it.

To say that even my shq talks in these terms about pappu-- bad news for congis.

OT:
sir, I take it from context shq means your wife (?) .. what does it stand for though?

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 30 Jan 2014 12:47

Shonu wrote:
krisna wrote:Of all people , got the shock of my life---rather pleasant one.

shq all of a sudden who is non political-- did not know anything about NaMo or pappu-- said pappu is worse than fail.
I nearly fell off the chair.
she says her friends, and her news items(mostly entertainment cooking etc etc ) were full of it.

To say that even my shq talks in these terms about pappu-- bad news for congis.
OT:
sir, I take it from context shq means your wife (?) .. what does it stand for though?

Supreme Headquarters.

JohnTitor · Post by **JohnTitor** » 30 Jan 2014 13:00

SwamyG wrote:Moi thinks Rahul Gandhi has been too naive. When specifically asked if Congressmen were involved, he could have answered it in one of the following ways:
1. No, Congressmen were not involved. The politicians who are being investigated or have court cases against them are innocent until proven guilty. And to my best knowledge the government did the best and so did the Congress as a party.

2. Yes, and I am sorry that some Congressmen were involved or gave directions to the rioters. As a VP, I apologize on behalf of the party and I hope the law takes its course and provides justice to the victims or their families.

#1 is the safest route even if it is a lie. #2 is the truth which people will appreciate but Delhi Durbar and Congress party will not appreciate. It is a gamble, because it could potentially break Congress party as we now know it. 2014 elections would have been toast. There would be several votes for his honesty, and Congress could have gained some voteshare (maybe). But it gives a big stick to BJP to beat Congress, Media and the NGOs. 2-3 months of deploying this stick would have ensured Congress did not stand on its legs for a long time.

However, Rahul Gandhi - the individual who seems to be torn between becoming the King or the Sanyasi; chose a #3 option.

#3. 'Probably' some Congressmen were involved. But the government did everything to stop the riots.

The word 'probably' is key here. It is the closest he will come to admission - because he knew the truth then or realized it afterwards. But his insistence that the government did everything would not gel with the people. Even if there was no directive from Rajiv or any Nehru-Gandhi family, Congressmen were involved and they would have used the institutions to abet/aid the rioters. Involving the government machinery/institutions would have been noticed and brought to the "higher ups"; who would have kept quiet. Even for argument's sake Rajiv/Nehru-Gandhi dynasty had ZERO part in the riots, Congress party became involved.

Is he really naive? Or is there some Chunkian/Chankian motive behind?

So why did he not lie, and decide to open a can of worms? Though the word "probably" gives him an escape route; it is going to cost Congress in the next few weeks. Damage control has began. Will the screws be tightened on Gujarat 2002 riots later? After a few weeks of discussing 1984, people will slowly move on. Then the discussions will start just near the elections about 2002; and it will hang in the air and influence voters - if not consolidating Muslim and 'secular' votes.

I am waiting for some startling news as the elections come near.

Oh so only congresswalas are innocent until proven guilty. Anyone who they term communal is guilty even after proven innocent. Sir, that logic won't work - but then again considering there are RG supporters even after the interview, at least it would have given them a warm fuzzy feeling at night!

He talks of change. His "radical" move of going all out against the corruption bill (?) and saying it needs to be torn up and thrown away could be repeated here. Therein lies the problem, saying is one thing, everyone can talk.. its cheap. Doing.. well thats another story

member_20317 · Post by **member_20317** » 30 Jan 2014 13:04

SwamyG wrote:Maybe Rahul is not really as naive/dumb as we all want or think. Because if he wins and gets his wishes and wants, does it matter if his IQ is 40 or 140 ? If the Telegraph article is true then Arnab had a chai-pakora session with Priyanka. And surely, whatever be the integrity (or lack) of Arnab be; there would have been preparatory work done. Questions anticipated. Questions setup. Unless Rahul was offered as the sacrificial lamb, he would not have been sent to appear like a fool. It probably was to energize the cadres. He did not answer Arnab, because he did not care. He was speaking to a different audience and had a different agenda. All Arnab was doing was a giving him a platform.

SwamyG ji, IQ scaling is not the right benchmark to figure out RaGa's level of naivete. He is not dumb. He heads the Congress.

He is dumberer - possessor of a multi dimensional probably even extra-dimensional level of understanding that only he has.

JohnTitor · Post by **JohnTitor** » 30 Jan 2014 13:09

johneeG wrote:Kjo saar,
I think pappu is a crook, saar. Even at this late stage, he is still bluffing. The problem is not with his mind as many seem to believe. I think the problem is with his heart and attitude. He seems to believe that there is nothing wrong with the kind of rule perpetuated by his ancestors. Thats the main problem. He has infact tried to defend the rule of last decade also.

I think he should simply apologize to NaMo, if not in public then in private. He should assure people that he will change his and his party's attitude going forward. And he should start by stopping all the loot that is perpetuated through the charity foundations named after his pappa. He should then fire the kongis that are involved in various scams. He should stop appeasement politics and should not allow such politics to hamper national security.

But, I don't think he is interested in all that. I don't think he even sees a need for all that. I think he is just ignorant and arrogant(not dumb). He was taught that keeping the people powerless and ignorant will keep them in power. Thats the model followed by his ancestors. So, he is trying to perpetuate the same model. He has not invented this system. But, he is not really questioning the system(despite all the nautanki). Infact, his goal is to perpetuate the system. He has not come up with a single concept that would actually question the system which keeps people like him in total power and keeps the aam aadhmi powerless.

He says,"I want to change the system" because he was told that saying it will get him popularity and votes. He doesn't believe in it and he certainly is not interested in giving up his power or perks.

The problem is more fundamental: at the level of attitude or heart. If there was a will, then he would have found a way by now. The real issue is that he has no will to change the system. Infact, he wants to continue the system.

Thats the problem. I think as long as he looks upon his ancestors as the guide, this problem will continue for him. He must understand that his ancestors were wrong leaders. He should not try to emulate them or glorify them. Rather make a break and change. He had a chance to make a completely new radical change. But, he lost the opportunity.

But, he is a passive crook...like someone who is born in a theives' family and thinks its totally ok to steal. And he is stealing and his family has been stealing from the people... from the very people who trusted them and gave them respect and power. So, its not just stealing but betrayal and ingratitude. He seems to believe that thats the ways to be. Unless this fundamental attitude is changed, nothing is going to change.

I think the criticism of kongis/dynasty should be at that level, instead of merely saying that pappu should have given a better performance.

To give an analogy:
if a scion of a theives family(heading a huge network of theives) was caught while trying to steal by a constable(who himself may or may not be corrupt), what should people say?
a) Should the people make fun of him that he was caught redhanded and call him dumb?
or
b) Should the people criticize him for trying to steal and call him a crook?

Many people are taking the option (a). I think they should take the option (b).

Brilliant post sir!

One of the main problems I've noticed with many (if not most) indians of all walks of life is that they blindly support an idea/person/party etc. They never question if what their "hero" does or says is right or appropriate. Instead they come up with elaborate ways to defend the indefensible. Only when a major scam/scandal comes out, they suddenly "wake up", only to fall into hero worship of someone else. Sad, but unfortunately true.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 30 Jan 2014 13:50

O for those talking about RG interview , why was there no mention of Assam Riots? If he really meant what he said he should have dismissed the Assam Govt and all Mlas should be send to sanyas. Otherwise he is a hypocrite

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 30 Jan 2014 14:49

FWIW...

Modi is the favourite in the Tamil rural heartland too

Beautifully written. Recommended read.

Christopher Sidor · Post by **Christopher Sidor** » 30 Jan 2014 14:56

Suraj wrote:
Christopher Sidor wrote:The problem is that Modi has attacked Congress, which is fine. But simply attacking is not enough. One has to lay out an alternative.

I have not seen him articulate how he will clean up our air and reduce the ground and water pollution. I have not seen him articulate how he will take forward the mid-day meal to its logical conclusion and improve the education which our villagers receive.
*Anyone* can attack anyone else. But why is just one person so extraordinarily popular ? He's not popular because he's talking a big talk, in the mould of TN film star politicians. His popularity is due to the fact that his record presents him as a credible threat. Thank you for your on the ground report on GJ development, which only buttresses his case.

Modi might be popular in Gujarat, he might be popular in the people who are online or in the chattering class. But that does not represent India. They represent a portion of Indian population. It is estimated that there only 10-20% of Indians who are online. People above the poverty line but below Lower Income Group, people below poverty line are not online. Even among those who are online his popularity is not that high it is made out to be. It is more of the case if somebody were to disagree with Modi and what he stands for it brings forth saliva and non-rational outbursts.

And the problem with the Gujarat example is in Gujarat Modi has brute force Majority. He does not have to depend on anybody. That will not be the case in the Parliament. There he will have to have a coalition. He wont get majority on his own.

Suraj wrote: When he makes a political campaign, he has to target the failures of the existing regime. His own accomplishments largely speak for themselves at this point - he's not an unknown commodity as the most prominent development-oriented CM. He's doing the right thing here. There's no need to give Rajiv Gandhi-styled banana republic speeches ('humko yeh banana hain! humko wo banana hain!')

True one has to target the failures, and that has to be done. Along with that one has to give an alternative. He may say that he believes that Toilets are more important, possibly more important than Temples. But he has not said that Toilets will be a priority for him if and when he gets into power inside the Parliament. It is okie to articulate one beliefs, but where is the plan where is the direction. What does one want to do with power when he or she acquires it. I liked it when AAP was asked what its ideology was, and reply from Kejriwal was the common mans kitchen stove is not getting lit, that is AAPs ideology.

Suraj wrote: People have heard about what needs to be done, before. By targeting the fact that the existing regime has not done certain things, and describe what he has done, he's just presenting his case as not necessarily knowing everything that needs to be done already, but that he will find out and more importantly, has a proven record of doing it and then talking about it. This may sound simple, but it's an extraordinarily rare commodity in India.

Yeah but Modi has not done anything which will be required in the future. If we want roads then UPA has built more than twice the amount of roads that were built under NDA. In the closed confines of Gujarat what he has done is what a CM is expected. Gujarat is not an agricultural state. It is more of an entrepreneurial state where people are more interested in doing their own "business", even when they are doing service jobs or are employed in job in companies. "Potha nu business karwanu che" (Want to do my own business) is a common refrain for youngsters. That is not the case of India.

Suraj wrote: I value that kind of meritocratic CPC-like elevation of a performer into a top role. If we have a bunch of state CMs as well as a cabinet composed of people like this, it would be an extraordinary situation for India political economy. There's no remotely credible challenger in this regard. Give me a bunch of proven performers on the administrative front and I'll vote for them any day.

There is nothing meritocratic about CPC-like elevation. There is only murdering thuggery which gets one ahead. The last president of PRC, i.e. Hu, bloodied his hands in Tibet before he was elevated to the top slot. And when Hu and Wen were made the top shots the biggest wealth gainers were their families. To the tunes of hundreds of billions yuan. CPC is a failed experiment.

Supratik · Post by **Supratik** » 30 Jan 2014 16:25

OK, so you are an AAP troll. I have inside information that Kejriwal has been nominated for the economics nobel prize.

There is an election pretty soon. If the majority poor people of India don't want him you will find out. Regarding your other comments nothing can be said to inform you as you are stuck on "he is not good" mode.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 30 Jan 2014 16:41

johneeG wrote:
I think the criticism of kongis/dynasty should be at that level, instead of merely saying that pappu should have given a better performance.

To give an analogy:
if a scion of a theives family(heading a huge network of theives) was caught while trying to steal by a constable(who himself may or may not be corrupt), what should people say?
a) Should the people make fun of him that he was caught redhanded and call him dumb?
or
b) Should the people criticize him for trying to steal and call him a crook?

Many people are taking the option (a). I think they should take the option (b).

You have missed one another option i.e. option (c)

(c) Blame the constable and penalise him for catching the thief.

And if that does not work , just point out that others have been doing it or have done it in the past as well.

svenkat · Post by **svenkat** » 30 Jan 2014 16:43

The AIADMK has support among both muslims and christians in TN.The ADMK has won 6 assembly elections by absolute majority.DMK and Congress too have support among the 'minorities'.The christians themselves hve many caste,class,denomination divisions just as muslims-urdu,dakkani,rowthar,labba,marakkayar.

So long as muslims have votes,it will be tough for BJP to win elections.This is something we should never forget AFTER BJP wins the elections.Similarly church property and institutions are thorns in our polity.Hindu diversity will ALWAYS be a fact of life.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 30 Jan 2014 16:45

Hari Seldon wrote:Well, if its rumor season, lemme do my bit...

chaiwala sources say buzz is that Kiran Bedi may be approached to stand LS polls from New Delhi constituency. Has a decent shot of winning too. May be made Min. of state for Home in a modi administration if all goes well, and charged with implementing 'em police reforms and all or so I hear....

That would be a good news. She is , though NGO type, yet balanced and even handed in her approach.