China Military Watch - August 9, 2014

member_28722 · Post by **member_28722** » 18 Sep 2014 22:28

Karan M wrote:And if they dont? Are we ready for a full scale war after a decade if UPA- the worthless MMS and the Saints tender ministrations?

War is not so simple as throwing the word around. If you start one you need the ability and the infrastructure to win and hold onto territory. Their army doesn't have the ability to do that, it won't for at least next decade.

ashi · Post by **ashi** » 19 Sep 2014 20:43

2014 Peace Anti-terror military drill in China with Russia,Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan and Kazakhstan

member_28703 · Post by **member_28703** » 20 Sep 2014 00:04

On a lighter note ..^^^ That's Peace anti-terror exercises ??

No wonder they state provincial problems/ethinic problems/tibet unrest..minor

But on a serious note. Its high time the Indian forces come out with good quality media output of our own mil exercises.Grainy footage from the same viewpoint as the spectator stand on the first/last day of the exercise is getting stale.

Its value on psy ops is just one side of the coin.
A gr8 video that leaves an impression on young minds helping to define/direct their career path into the forces domestically is worth much more.

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 20 Sep 2014 08:31

little whirly birds:

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 20 Sep 2014 09:51

No MTCR sanction on China or Saudi ?

China Secretly Sold Saudi Arabia DF-21 Missiles With CIA Approval

tushar_m · Post by **tushar_m** » 23 Sep 2014 19:24

Chinese Type 39 submarines appears for the first time ever in Indian ocean

In addition to the submarine that has entered the port ,two Chinese naval warships have been anchored out harbor , according to reports reaching Lanka e news inside information division. Further it is reliably learnt that the SL navy had become aware of the arrival of the war submarine and the naval warships of China only at the last moment.

Source :
http://srilankaoneislandtwonations.tumb ... hips-prior

While the Chinese President Shi Jinping is scheduled to arrive in Sri Lanka (SL) tomorrow(16) , this evening a Chinese nuclear military submarine made its appearance at the Colombo harbor CICT Jetty belonging to China, according to reports reaching Lanka e news inside information division.
This ChangZheng 2 submarine is a part of northern China fleet which is nuclear powered has missile power that can hit 80 kilometers distance , and torpedo security system . It is a sophisticated submarine that can communicate directly via the satellite .
In addition to the submarine that has entered the port ,two Chinese naval warships have been anchored out harbor , according to reports reaching Lanka e news inside information division. Further it is reliably learnt that the SL navy had become aware of the arrival of the war submarine and the naval warships of China only at the last moment.
It is worthy of note when British Prime Minister and Prince Charles visited SL recently , they did not bring the British submarine into the Indian ocean. In like manner , when the Chinese President visited four countries including Mexico , America last May , he did not get down the Chinese submarine into the territorial waters of those countries.
Political analysts are of the view that the Chinese President by sending the Chinese submarine to SL prior to his tour had confirmed that SL is a colony of China , besides demonstrating China ‘s hegemony over the Indian ocean.
In the photograph is the ChangZheng 2 Chinese nuclear submarine after having entered the CICT jetty of SL belonging to China

tushar_m · Post by **tushar_m** » 23 Sep 2014 19:26

Why is this Submarine tilted ????

The front part is clearly above the water level more than that of the rear part of submarine.

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 23 Sep 2014 19:50

Only the rear tanks have been flooded ?

member_23370 · Post by **member_23370** » 23 Sep 2014 22:25

Type-039 is a diesel sub and not very difficult to detect and follow by IN. Type-091 is a shitty Han class that should be easier to detect.

Niranjan · Post by **Niranjan** » 30 Sep 2014 05:14

Fun times.

Chinese President VISITS India and claims that "South Asia" ..................

And, now HIS media:

US efforts to court Indian PM Narendra Modi 'ludicrous': Chinese media

Chinese are getting to be rather comical.

I think they are beginning to fear Modi.

member_28722 · Post by **member_28722** » 30 Sep 2014 05:24

^^^^
Don't think they fear Modi .... its very comical if we start believing that based on a few media reports especially in a highly controlled country like China.

Shrinivasan · Post by **Shrinivasan** » 01 Oct 2014 01:05

Niranjan wrote:US efforts to court Indian PM Narendra Modi 'ludicrous': Chinese media

I think they are beginning to fear Modi.

I don't think "Fear" is the right word, they definitely don't know how to read him. The combo of Modi and Doval is a far cry from Mickey Mouse and his team. Chinese have mis-read him till now, ditto for the Pakees. I bet they will activate all their Lifafa guys to wage a conerted campaign against modi/bjp in he coming elections. Expect all and sundry to align themselves together in an anti-BJP maha-alliance.

Niranjan · Post by **Niranjan** » 01 Oct 2014 01:16

China has read him very, very well. They are now trying to manipulate the situation. And, not doing a very good job of it.

Shrinivasan · Post by **Shrinivasan** » 01 Oct 2014 02:03

Niranjan wrote:US efforts to court Indian PM Narendra Modi 'ludicrous': Chinese media

I think they are beginning to fear Modi.

I don't think "Fear" is the right word, they definitely don't know how to read him. The combo of Modi and Doval is a far cry from Mickey Mouse and his team. Chinese have mis-read him till now, ditto for the Pakees. I bet they will activate all their Lifafa guys to wage a conerted campaign against modi/bjp in he coming elections. Expect all and sundry to align themselves together in an anti-BJP maha-alliance.

member_28722 · Post by **member_28722** » 01 Oct 2014 02:10

^^^^^
PRC is apprehensive of development of an alliance between Japan-US-India as in the long term (if we progress well) we can impact their dominance not only in Asia but also on industrial level. If we start proving ourselves as a reliable destination for industrial manufacturing it will hurt them economically big time.

dinesha · Post by **dinesha** » 04 Oct 2014 21:28

China Conducts Flight Test of New Mobile ICBM
DF-31B is Beijing’s sixth road-mobile nuclear strike system
http://freebeacon.com/national-security ... bile-icbm/

China puts on show of force with DF-31B mobile ICBM missile test
PLA puts upgraded Dongfeng-31 system through its paces to underscore nuclear strength as US makes military pivot to Asia-Pacific region
http://www.scmp.com/news/china/article/ ... ssile-test

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 14 Oct 2014 12:26

New pictures of J-10B revealed

member_28756 · Post by **member_28756** » 26 Oct 2014 15:55

Can anyone tell if this is RD-33 engine on this plane ?

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 26 Oct 2014 17:28

http://www.philstar.com/headlines/2014/ ... -claimants

China seen risking naval confrontation with Spratly claimants
By Jaime Laude (The Philippine Star) | Updated October 26, 2014

MANILA, Philippines - China appears to be risking an open confrontation with Vietnam, Malaysia and Taiwan with its announcement of a plan to build air and naval bases on the reclaimed Kagitingan (Fiery Cross) Reef, Kalayaan island town Mayor Eugenio Bito-onon Jr. said yesterday.

“Do you think Vietnam, as well as Taiwan and Malaysia, will just take it sitting down? These countries have occupied areas in the region that are very close to those that are being occupied and being reclaimed by China,” Bito-onon said.

He said China is even eyeing an Air Defense Identification Zone (ADIZ) over the area.

Taiwan earlier announced it was considering deploying armed vessels to its occupied Itu Aba, the biggest island in the disputed region.

Malaysia also operates a naval base and airfield on Layang-Layang, which it has converted into a dive resort.

Vietnam, on the other hand, has reportedly ordered six Kilo-class submarines from Russia for deployment to the disputed waters. Three of the subs have reportedly been delivered.

Long before China started developing Kagitingan Reef, Bito-onon had sounded the alarm over Beijing’s plan to build a naval base in the area, which is only 117 nautical miles from his island town.

Bito-onon clarified that while Kagitingan Reef is outside the Philippines’ 200-nautical mile exclusive economic zone, it is considered part of Kalayaan under Presidential Decree 1596 issued by then President Ferdinand Marcos in 1978. Kalayaan is a fifth class municipality covered by Palawan

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 26 Oct 2014 19:39

China tests new-generation military planes, report says - PTI

China is testing a new generation of military aircraft which includes the country's first and most advanced stealth fighter believed to form the backbone of its air force.

The photos of fourth-generation stealth fighter J-20, airborne early warning and control system (AEW&CS) aircraft KJ-500 and Y-20 large military transporter, reportedly conducting tests flights, were published on a popular military forum, Hong Kong-based South China Morning Post reported.

The internet user who uploaded the images identified the plane models and said "these pictures were taken recently at Yanliang Flight Centre", a military airport in Xian, Shaanxi province.

The photos appeared to have been taken from some distance outside the airbase's exterior fences.

This satellite image of the Xi'an Aircraft Company aka Xi'an Aircraft Industrial Corporation complex shows several fighters including a J-20 (dark grey), J-15 (yellow), J-11, J-7, JH-7 and the J-6. (Via Getty Images)

Military enthusiasts often take photographs of People's Liberation Army (PLA) aircraft and share the images on internet, the report said.

Previous media reports have said that the aircraft supposedly featured in the photographs are still in the testing phase and could be a few years away from deployment.

However, they are projected to serve as the backbone of the PLA air force once they are given the green light.

The J20, designed and built in China, is the country's first stealth fighter and the PLA's most advanced military jet.

It is reportedly capable of covering the vast South China Sea within its combat range, the report in Post said.

The Y-20, China's biggest self-built military transport plane, is expected to serve the air force's need to transport large amounts of heavy military weaponry, while the KJ-500 is the nation's new generation of AEW&CS that provides early radar warnings to combat troops to give them an edge in potential future battles.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 28 Oct 2014 00:19

Don't know where else to post this

http://thediplomat.com/2014/10/al-qaeda ... china-too/
Al-Qaeda Declares War on China, Too

Al-Qaeda central appears to have joined the Islamic State in calling for jihad against China over its alleged occupation of Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region.

This week, al-Sahab media organization, al-Qaeda’s propaganda arm, released the first issue of its new English-language magazine Resurgence. The magazine has a strong focus on the Asia-Pacific in general, with feature articles on both India and Bangladesh, as well as others on Afghanistan and Pakistan.

bharats · Post by **bharats** » 28 Oct 2014 17:09

China could nuke India from Tibet: Russia
Link: http://www.wantchinatimes.com/news-subc ... 7&cid=1101

After India declared plans to construct a road in the disputed region of Northern Arunachal Pradesh near the Chinese border, the Voice of Russia, a Moscow-based radio broadcasting service, said that Beijing is capable of launching a full scale nuclear strike against New Delhi from Tibet.

India spent US$7 billion for the construction of a road in northern Arunachal Pradesh state. Due to its proximity to the Chinese border, check points will be established along the road using the most advanced equipment. Meanwhile, India also decided to increase the number of troops stationed in the border region next to China. There have been several confrontations between the PLA and the Indian Army in Northern Arunachal Pradesh since April of 2013.

The Voice of Russia reported that India's new road is aimed at provoking China and Pakistan, its rivals in the border region. The announcement, it said, which took place after Xi Jinping's visit to New Delhi last month, indicated India's unwillingness to reduce hostilities with China. Despite the fact India welcomes more investment from China, the political relationship between Beijing and New Delhi remains the same.

The broadcasting service went on to say that deploying ballistic missiles to Tibet can become an option for China to confront India in the future. Chinese ballistic missiles equipped with nuclear warheads, if launched from there, can strike targets within India. To defend its line of actual control in the border region, India has begun to deploy missile regiments to its frontlines.

Both nations are now competing against each other for the leadership of South Asia.

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 29 Oct 2014 00:16

Modi effect ?

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 29 Oct 2014 00:32

one small problem with this hypothesis, leh falls under lanzhou MR.

Xi enjoys enormous support from PLA and certainly has the political capital to do what has been alleged by the twitty bird.
I am skeptical he will expend his capital for keeping India happy. for that a simple admonishment would have been enough.

member_23370 · Post by **member_23370** » 29 Oct 2014 00:41

Someone needs to remind them whole of china can be targeted from chennai.

bharats · Post by **bharats** » 29 Oct 2014 13:32

Beijing, We Have a Problem
Is India surpassing China in Asia's space race?
By Kim Wall
Link: http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2 ... space_race

Call it a mark of maturity. Without much fanfare, China launched an unmanned, unnamed spacecraft on Oct. 24, possibly paving the way for a more sophisticated moon vehicle in 2017. But this milestone comes less than a month after India's celebrated Mars mission reached its destination. In the court of public opinion at least, Beijing looks unlikely to top it.

Delhi's first interplanetary probe Mangalyaan ("Mars craft" in Hindi) became a worldwide media darling, a classic underdog story. The odds were not in its favor: two-thirds of all Mars missions had failed, including China's most recent attempt in November 2011. After six loops around earth, an innovative and inexpensive slingshot effect flung the satellite into orbit nearly a year ago, vaulting India into the global elite space club. While India's main space agency, the Indian Space Research Organization, insisted the launch had nothing to do with Beijing's extra-orbital attempts, merely getting off the ground was a victory: one small step for India's shoestring space program, one giant leap for its self-esteem.

The scientific urgency of Mangalyaan is questionable: surveying the Red Planet's atmosphere and surface (which the NASA spacecraft Mariner-4 photographed back in 1965) for just six months will likely add little to the world's understanding of outer space. "It is as if the thirty-first scientist to voyage to the Galápagos Islands had stayed only a couple of days, sketched one or two of Darwin's finches, and then left," wrote Indian journalist Samanth Subramanian in the New Yorker.

And yet Prime Minister Narendra Modi (fittingly, in a red vest), basked in the glory: India, he said on the day Mangalyaan reached Mars, is a future "world guru" who had "achieved the near impossible" and become "a shining symbol of what we are capable of as a nation." When NASA's Curiosity rover, which landed on Mars in August 2012, congratulated Mangalyaan on Twitter, it replied confidently: "Howdy @MarsCuriosity? Keep in touch. I'll be around." The cheapest Mars mission ever, at $75 million -- three-quarters the cost of Hollywood space blockbuster Gravity, and less than the first U.S. stealth-jet attack on Syria -- Mangalyaan has boosted Modi's "made-in-India" vision. And it's an ideal time, as the new prime minister has come to power amid grand promises of an Indian renaissance.

India's foray may be remedial and its scientific value sketchy, but it puts the country alongside the three superpowers -- United States, the European Union, and Russia -- that have reached Mars. The subcontinent's press, convinced that India went to Mars to show China it was still a worthy rival, rejoiced in unabashed nationalism. They may have unwittingly launched a space race. But it's relatively friendly for now.

Beijing wasn't "jealous," nationalist newspaper Global Times sulked in late September: "no country can claim to be a leader in every arena." (Hua Chunying, a Foreign Ministry spokesperson, was more diplomatic, calling Mangalyaan a "pride of Asia" and refusing to rule out future cooperation.) China does not disclose its spending on space -- "a black hole," experts joke -- but it likely far exceeds Delhi's.

Space exploration, of course, is not the only geostrategic sphere in which India and China jostle. Their rivalry for influence, markets, and energy resources, plays out in Africa, Latin America, and the Indian Ocean, and their shared border along the Himalayas has been the site of recurring standoffs since the 1962 Sino-Indian war. Nowadays, China wins in most departments: its economy is bigger, its growth faster, its poverty levels lower, literacy rate higher, and military more powerful than India's.

For India, haunted by inferiority complexes vis-a-vis its giant neighbor, space offers a chance at redemption: next up, a manned mission and a pan-South Asian satellite. The space club, like the nuclear club, equals great power status: a PR-coup to wash off the "developing country" brand, with spin-off benefits for both the national economy and defense.

The aerospace sector embodies national aspiration. Who could aim higher than the stars? "India and China have large populations that they are struggling to bring out of decades of poverty and underdevelopment," said James Clay Moltz, a professor at the Naval Postgraduate School and author of the 2011 book Asia's Space Race. "Space represents a symbol of modernity and advancement."

If this is the Asian Century, its space age may well be Asian, too. Cash-strapped and overstretched, America's pre-eminence in space is no longer a given. No human has been to the moon since 1972: the next time this happens, it seems increasingly likely to be an Indian or Chinese astronaut. Asia's obsession with space is a logical extension of rapid economic growth, increasing power, and an appreciation for science, says Bharath Gopalaswamy, space analyst at the Atlantic Council's South Asia Center. "It's communicating ‘you can do this too,'" to its own population, he adds. It encourages "people to embark on scientific projects that might seem impossible." And, says Heritage Foundation senior research fellow Dean Cheng, space has great spinoff benefits for militaries, especially with regards to information systems and surveillance.

It isn't just India trying to keep up. Other new kids on the block with recent launches of satellites and rockets include Japan, Vietnam, Thailand and Taiwan, among others. Russia talks about another lunar mission. South and North Korea both dispatched satellites in 2013, the former setting a 2020 deadline for a lunar rover. And Iran propelled a monkey into orbit in preparation for a human spacecraft by 2020.

Outer space is currently collaborative: the International Space Station, the largest artificial satellite in orbit, has been manned since 2000 by a joint 14-nation effort, though most of the funding comes from the United States. But when the money dries up in 2020 -- the same year India and China have hinted they would like to launch manned spacecrafts -- this short era of international space cooperation may come to an end.

Asian ventures -- unlike the 20-nation European Space Agency, the continent's collaborative space program -- are largely self-reliant and government-run. For now, they are intrinsically tied to nationhood and identity. For India and China, autarky was both a necessity and a choice, with the former suffering technology apartheid since its 1974 nuclear test and the latter banned by U.S. legislation from cooperating with NASA. Either way, their ability to reach space independently only amplifies bragging rights. (When they met in September, Modi and Chinese President Xi Jinping signed a memorandum of understanding on the "peaceful use of space," though it's difficult to see that handshake deal leading to actual cooperation between their countries.)

China's own space station is set to become operational as the International Space Station reaches retirement in 2020. The Chinese outpost could then become, as the Global Times triumphantly noted, "mankind's only foothold in space." Notoriously fond of mega-projects, Beijing's gravitation towards the final frontier seems logical: inheriting space hegemony as ultimate proof of its arrival as a superpower.

And superpowers can get carried away by national pride. In a 2012 book, Indian space analyst Ajey Lele called Asia's space competition "the most exceptional and widespread security dilemma in the world," with risky constellations including India-Pakistan, China-India, and Sino-Japan, and the Koreas. The United Nations condemned North Korea's space launch as a disguised ballistic missile test (attempts to condemn Iran's on similar grounds were blocked by China and Russia); similarly, China's decision to shoot down one of its own dead satellite in 2010 caused alarm in Washington and in neighboring capitals, over fears that space junk could litter near-earth orbit and concerns that the technology could be could lead to a regional arms race.

While space has always signaled not-so-subtle nuclear readiness (after all, what are rockets if not long-range missiles?) the real concern today, Cheng argues, is technology that can disrupt other countries' space assets. Such technologies, so far only demonstrated by China, seem straight out a 1970's James Bond film: satellites with robotic arms that could take out other probes, techniques to bump other satellites off course, shoot them down, or blind them with lasers. But other countries are not far behind. China's decision to invest in offensive space technology, says Moltz, means India is now increasingly focusing on the military space realm as well.

Unsurprisingly, India and China downplay the military aspect. The Asian space age, Modi implies, is not like the ones that came before it, anyway. "In contrast with the linear nature of Western philosophy; there is no absolute 'beginning' or 'end' in our Eastern understanding of the cosmos," the prime minister said after Mangalyaan reached the Red Planet -- only "a continuous, unending cycle of dispassionate, detached perseverance." But watching this extraterrestrial competition from Europe or the United States, however, it's hard to be dispassionate about its potential implications.

Kartik · Post by **Kartik** » 30 Oct 2014 13:06

Austin wrote:No MTCR sanction on China or Saudi ?

China Secretly Sold Saudi Arabia DF-21 Missiles With CIA Approval

is China a signatory to the MTCR treaty?

Kartik · Post by **Kartik** » 30 Oct 2014 13:10

A look at what will be the likeliest threat to the IN's fleet from the air in the future..the Shenyang J-15, a clone of the Su-33.

Shenyang makes progress on J-15 fleet

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 30 Oct 2014 14:14

It could be that the Russians while moving on to Mig-29K's are selling thier SU-33's to China which are renamed as J-15.

bharats · Post by **bharats** » 30 Oct 2014 19:07

PLA building fleet of 100 large transport aircraft
Link: http://www.wantchinatimes.com/news-subc ... 5&cid=1101

China is building a fleet of a hundred large transport aircraft that will be able to deploy troops all around the world, according to a Russian military expert. In an article published Oct. 16 on the Russian Council website, Vasily Kashin, a China expert at the Centre for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies in Moscow, says that the People's Liberation Army hopes to complete the project by 2020.

To reach that goal, China is in the process of acquiring Il-76 multi-purpose four-engine strategic airlifters and Il-78 four-engined aerial refueling tankers from Russia, Belarus and Ukraine, and is also developing its own Xian Y-20 large military transport aircraft.

China's Xian Y-20 large transportation aircraft. (Internet photo)

According to Kashin, the quality of China's military technology has reached a new level, such that the PLA is now a modernized force capable of fighting a technically advanced war. The new generation PLA has a blue-water navy and maritime force capable of operating across the deep waters of open oceans as well as a powerful strategic air force, he wrote.

The project is said to be part of a series of major programs designed to complete China's transformation into a modern military power. One of the programs aims to build an army that can win wars through superior information technology by 2050. To this end, the PLA set a goal back in 2000 for 60% of all new recruits to be university graduates, though by 2009 the number had barely passed 30%. To entice more qualified soldiers, the PLA has also introduced comprehensive insurance schemes and higher compensation that has seen monthly salaries more than double between 2006 and 2011 to around US$840 a month.

Beijing is also reportedly re-adjusting the structure of the Chinese armed forces, with the intention of gradually phasing out army and air force regiments and divisions. The PLA's ground force marks up about 1.6 million of the PLA's total 2.29 million personnel, though the army's influence has been falling in recent years as more attention is being paid to the navy and air force. Combat training now focuses primarily on the use of computerized systems for joint operations, and a greater emphasis has been placed on precision weapons such as 122mm artillery and 155mm extended range guided munitions. Air force pilots are also increasing their training hours by an average of 200 hours a year and focusing on their abilities to make decisions without ground support.

Further, China has developed into a major arms dealer, the report said, engaging in technological cooperation with countries such as Pakistan. Chinese weapons and systems such as the 155mm PLZ-45 self-propelled howitzer are also advanced enough to enter competitive markets such as Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Algeria and other Middle Eastern countries. Chinese anti-satellite weapons programs have also improved sufficiently to comparable to world leaders, the report added.

China is the second country in the world after the US to develop a warship equipped with a self-built multi-purpose weapons system. The Type 052D destroyer, currently undergoing sea trials, can launch various types of guided wapons such as anti-aircraft missiles, anti-ship missiles and anti-submarine missiles, as well as cruise missiles against ground targets. China is also the only country in the world with two fifth-generation fighter projects in place, with both jets currently in the test-flight phase.

Additonally, the China is building five Type 094 ballistic missile submarines equipped with JL-2 intercontinental-range submarine-launched ballistic missiles. The PLA has already deployed 35 DF-31A long-range road-mobile ICBMs and still has multiple warheads in development. On the intelligence front, China is combining traditional electronic warfare with cyber warfare. The Fourth Department of the PLA's General Staff Headquarters Department has been tasked with four main goals: expand staff, improve technological progress, establish more centers, and train more information warfare experts. Telecommunications and electronic intelligence is controlled by the Third Department of the PLA's General Staff Headquarters Department, which has a total of about 130,000 staff.

China has already commissioned its first air craft carrier, the Liaoning, and is in the process of building two more. In the future, the PLA also intends to develop a carrier equipped with an Electromagnetic Aircraft Launch System capable of rivaling that of the US Navy. Beijing has found it necessary to ramp up and modernize the PLA's capabilities due to ongoing tensions over territorial disputes, particularly with Japan in the East China Sea and the Philippines and Vietnam in the South China Sea, the report said, as well as ongoing concerns stemming from America's return to Asia strategy. Though China has significantly bolstered its military capabilities, serious conflict has been avoided thus far despite an obvious push by Beijing to increase its presence in disputed regions, the report added.

member_28756 · Post by **member_28756** » 31 Oct 2014 08:52

Kartik wrote:A look at what will be the likeliest threat to the IN's fleet from the air in the future..the Shenyang J-15, a clone of the Su-33.

Shenyang makes progress on J-15 fleet

The second picture looks like their own domestic engine not a Lyulka Saturn.

Asia for the Asians

Chinese-Russian

http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/ ... the-asians

bharats · Post by **bharats** » 31 Oct 2014 14:44

China’s Clandestine Submarine Caves Extend Xi’s Naval Reach
by David Tweed

In this Aug. 28, 2014 photo, fishermen look at a Chinese nuclear submarine sails past Yalong Bay

Beneath the surface of the South China Sea off the tropical Chinese resort island of Hainan, an underwater tunnel guides submarines into a lair reminiscent of a James Bond spy movie.
From this pen the subs can venture in and out of the contested South China Sea hidden from the prying eyes of reconnaissance planes deployed by the U.S. Navy, which for the past half century has enjoyed almost unfettered access to the waters, say military watchers who cite satellite images of the area. The fleet of diesel and nuclear-powered submarines reflects President Xi Jinping’s efforts to ensure the security of sea lanes vital for feeding the economic growth on which the nation’s stability rests. It’s also provoked discomfort among neighbors bruised by China’s approach to territorial disputes.

As countries from India to Australia and Vietnam spend tens of billions upgrading their underwater fleets, cluttering the sea as well as the sky with the reconnaissance craft that follow, the risk is that a clash that previously might have been limited to coast guard and fishing boats spills into military conflict. “Countries are saying: we need to put into place some kind of credible force that puts doubt into the mind of a Chinese admiral,” said Bill Hayton, author of “The South China Sea: The Struggle for Power in Asia.” “They are clearly thinking about that because otherwise why are they buying submarines and anti-ship missiles?”

Defense spending in Asia and Oceania rose 3.6 percent to $407 billion in 2013, according to the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute, making it the only region where spending increased every year since SIPRI began collecting the data in 1988. That was led by a 7.4 percent rise in China’s spending, with a 5 percent increase for Southeast Asia.

Read complete story at http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-10-3 ... -goal.html

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 31 Oct 2014 15:57

afaik the hainan base is the _only_ underwater/underground submarine base in the whole world.
the other one was in crimea in the black sea and long abandoned for use.

our Rambilli will be the second.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 01 Nov 2014 09:28

That SSBN is certainly a very big one , nice picture. Its got more streamlined design compared to Delta 4.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 01 Nov 2014 09:29

Pics: The first group of female pilots attack helicopters formed in the PLA

http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1041257.html

member_28756 · Post by **member_28756** » 01 Nov 2014 10:29

Austin wrote:New pictures of J-10B revealed

Closer more detailed pic I think its one ugly duckling.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 01 Nov 2014 11:32

note the DSI air intake borrowed from the Bandar and the grey colour bulges covering EW gear like on F_16.

member_28756 · Post by **member_28756** » 01 Nov 2014 11:40

Singha wrote:note the DSI air intake borrowed from the Bandar and the grey colour bulges covering EW gear like on F_16.

I think all of their latest fighters have DSI.

member_28756 · Post by **member_28756** » 02 Nov 2014 12:58

http://www.scmp.com/news/china/article/ ... d-air-show

New Chinese J-31 stealth fighter spotted in Zhuhai ahead of air show

UPDATED : Thursday, 30 October, 2014, 9:30am

James Griffiths james.griffiths@scmp.com

Photos of what appears to be China’s latest stealth fighter landing in the southern city of Zhuhai have revived speculation that the jet will be publicly unveiled for the first time at an air show there next month.

The unconfirmed photos, first published on a military enthusiasts’ forum, show a fighter jet landing in Zhuhai, Guangdong province earlier this week with the same markings as previous leaked photos of the Shenyang J-31 aircraft

The Shenyang Aircraft Corporation is listed as an exhibitor at the 10th annual China International Aviation and Aerospace Exhibition, which begins on November 11 in Zhuhai, but a spokesman for the air show would neither confirm nor deny that the J-31 will be unveiled at the event.

The stealth fighter, which has been in development for a number of years and made its maiden flight in October 2012, is a twin-engine jet that military analysts said could potentially fly missions from an aircraft carrier.

In August, the Shanghai-based Jiefang Daily reported that China’s aircraft carrier, the Liaoning, will house 36 aircraft, including 24 Shenyang J-15 fighters.

“The overall line-up certainly looks plausible, as the mix of helicopters and fighters is similar to how the Russians outfit their example of this carrier,” Roger Cliff, a senior fellow with the Asia Security Initiative at the Atlantic Council, told Defense News.

“The striking thing about this carrier and aircraft line-up is that every single item is based on a foreign system. The Liaoning is a Russian-built ship fitted out with Chinese systems. The helicopters are based on Eurocopter designs. And the J-15 fighters are based on the Russian Su-33 design.”

Andrei Chang, editor-in-chief of the Canada-based Kanwa Asian Defence Monthly, told the South China Morning Post in 2012 that as well as borrowing features from Russian aircraft, the J-31 provided further evidence that Shenyang jets were proving increasingly adept at cloning US planes.

Chang said the J-31 appears to have borrowed features from the US Air Force’s twin-engine F-22 and the US Navy’s single-engine F-35C.

The J-31 isn’t the only new Chinese aircraft to be spotted this month. Photos of the larger fourth-generation stealth fighter J-20, Airborne Early Warning and Control System aircraft KJ-500 and Y-20 large military transporter, reportedly conducting test flights, were published on a popular military forum on Saturday.

kmc_chacko · Post by **kmc_chacko** » 02 Nov 2014 19:33

what is going on . . . . . .