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^^^ The combination of reliable target acquisition plus Excalibur-type artillery shells would be a game changer in many conflict scenarios.
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Pipe dream?

US surveillance drones for Andamans?

http://www.lowyinterpreter.org/post/201 ... amans.aspx
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http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/crpf ... 73504.html

Nishant for CRPF

hope this comes true

and works out
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what the..

US eyes India’s Port Blair as new drone base in event of war against China :eek:

NEW DELHI: Port Blair might not be anything more than a vacation spot for most Indians, but a new Pentagon- commissioned report seeks to turn it into something radically different: a base for American drones.

In possibly the first reference to the use of Indian territory for the US military in recent times, the paper, put together by the RAND Corporation, suggests that the capital of the Andaman and Nicobar Islands could be ideally suited as a base for American drones in the event of an offensive against China.

The paper, titled ‘Overseas Basing of US Military Forces’, was commissioned by the Pentagon on the instructions of the US Congress and looks into the presence of the American military at various bases and locations across the globe.

As part of this assessment, the researchers at RAND looked into large- scale operations against potential adversaries, including Iran, North Korea and China.

Under this scenario, the paper suggests significant changes in the Indo-Pacific region. “The Navy and the Marine Corps would also increase the number of combat forces that are stationed on US territories in the Pacific, in particular in Hawaii and Guam, while seeking to retain more marines in Okinawa than currently agreed,” the paper says.

It adds that the US should seek to increase the presence of troops at bases in Australia. It then goes on to refers to the use of Indian territory to look over the strategically important Straits of Malacca, which carries about a quarter of all oil that is transported.

“The Navy would strive to station a detachment of broad area maritime surveillance UAVs (unmanned aerial vehicles or drones) at Port Blair airport in the Andaman Islands, to increase surveillance over the Strait of Malacca,” the paper said.

James Brown, a Military Fellow at the Lowy Institute’s International Security Program and Project Coordinator of the MacArthur Foundation Asia Security Project, points out that this is a possibly unprecedented suggestion – particularly because of its China focus.

“While there is no doubt that the Andaman Islands are strategic real estate, this is the first time I have seen anyone float the thought bubble that the US might be able to operate maritime surveillance assets from Indian territory,” Brown wrote in a post examining the paper.

“At first glance it seems incredibly unlikely, but the US and Indian navies have been steadily increasing their cooperation since 2006… In the event of Chinese aggression, it is not inconceivable that India might permit the US to operate maritime surveillance platforms from its Andaman Islands territory.”

AN IDEAL HUB FOR DRONES

A new Pentagon- commissioned report, put together by the RAND Corporation, suggests that Port Blair could be ideally suited as a base for American drones in the event of an offensive against China

The paper was commissioned by the Pentagon on the instructions of the US Congress and looks into the presence of the American military at various bases and locations across the globe

As part of this assessment, the researchers at RAND looked into large- scale operations against potential adversaries, including Iran, North Korea and China

The paper said the Navy would strive to station a detachment of broad area maritime surveillance UAVs (unmanned aerial vehicles or drones) at Port Blair airport to increase surveillance over the Strait of Malacca, which carries about a quarter of all oil that is transported.

http://stratrisks.com/geostrat/12885
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Not sure how much truth there is to this clip but its a good use of the technology
that we can possibly use in busy traffic metropolitan areas :)

Dominos Drone Pizza Delivery

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Saw a huge UAV landing today in Begumpet AFB , Hyderabad. Looked like a IAI Searcher - used for anti maoist ops in Chhattisgarh or Odisha maybe ?
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Searcher's dimensions:
Length: 5.85 m (19 ft 2 in)
Wingspan: 8.54 m (28 ft 0 in)
Height: 1.25 m (4 ft 1 in)

Was it something of that size?
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Neshant wrote:what the..

US eyes India’s Port Blair as new drone base in event of war against China :eek:

NEW DELHI: Port Blair might not be anything more than a vacation spot for most Indians, but a new Pentagon- commissioned report seeks to turn it into something radically different: a base for American drones.

In possibly the first reference to the use of Indian territory for the US military in recent times, the paper, put together by the RAND Corporation, suggests that the capital of the Andaman and Nicobar Islands could be ideally suited as a base for American drones in the event of an offensive against China.

The paper, titled ‘Overseas Basing of US Military Forces’, was commissioned by the Pentagon on the instructions of the US Congress and looks into the presence of the American military at various bases and locations across the globe.

...
“At first glance it seems incredibly unlikely, but the US and Indian navies have been steadily increasing their cooperation since 2006… In the event of Chinese aggression, it is not inconceivable that India might permit the US to operate maritime surveillance platforms from its Andaman Islands territory.”

AN IDEAL HUB FOR DRONES

A new Pentagon- commissioned report, put together by the RAND Corporation, suggests that Port Blair could be ideally suited as a base for American drones in the event of an offensive against China

The paper was commissioned by the Pentagon on the instructions of the US Congress and looks into the presence of the American military at various bases and locations across the globe

As part of this assessment, the researchers at RAND looked into large- scale operations against potential adversaries, including Iran, North Korea and China

The paper said the Navy would strive to station a detachment of broad area maritime surveillance UAVs (unmanned aerial vehicles or drones) at Port Blair airport to increase surveillance over the Strait of Malacca, which carries about a quarter of all oil that is transported.

http://stratrisks.com/geostrat/12885
Why would they not operate out of Singapore, where there is a USN base?
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they want that too.

a string of drone bases all over the planet.
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Will take that as crucial terrain mapping is now done,

high-altitude-lakes-in-himalayas-mapped
As many as 4,699 lakes in the Indian Himalayan region at an altitude above 3000-m above mean sea level have been found in an ISRO study revealing the wonders of Himalayas.
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India should ask if it can join this project.

Eventually there will be collaborative efforts on UAV development so why not start right off the bat.

The heart of the system is its electronic package & sensors (beyond just amateur stuff like video cams), not the fact that it can take off & land which anyone can do.

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Defense Contractors Urge a Drone Made in Europe

By NICOLA CLARK
Published: June 16, 2013


PARIS — Three of Europe’s top military contractors urged the region’s governments on Sunday to support a joint program to develop a reconnaissance drone to reduce dependence on American and Israeli manufacturers.

In a joint statement, European Aeronautic Defense & Space, the parent company of Airbus, along with Dassault Aviation of France and Finmeccanica of Italy, said a regional collaboration in unmanned aerial vehicles would “support the capability needs of European armed forces while optimizing the difficult budgetary situation through pooling of research and development funding.”

Governments across the European Union have slashed spending on weapons programs in recent years as the war in Afghanistan winds down and pressure builds to rein in ballooning public deficits. Recent interventions in Libya and Mali, meanwhile, have exposed a significant gap in Europe’s aerial capabilities, particularly in terms of reconnaissance and combat drones, refueling tankers and heavy transport aircraft.

After years of pitching competing programs to reluctant governments, the three companies said Sunday that they were prepared to work together to design a European medium-altitude, long-endurance, or MALE, drone, which can fly missions of up to 48 hours at elevations of between 10,000 and 30,000 feet, or between about 3,000 and 9,000 meters. While they are normally used for surveillance, such unmanned vehicles can be equipped with missiles for combat.

“European sovereignty and independence in the management of information and intelligence would be guaranteed” by such a program, the companies said on the eve of the weeklong Paris Air Show, which opens Monday. They added that an effort on a European scale would “foster the development of high technologies and contribute to sustaining key competencies and jobs within Europe.”

Notably absent from the group was BAE Systems of Britain, Europe’s biggest military contractor, which had been a partner with Dassault Aviation to develop a MALE drone for France and Britain.

Last year BAE was in advanced merger talks with EADS before that deal was abandoned in the face of German political opposition.

BAE executives did not immediately reply to calls and e-mails requesting comment.

However, one person with knowledge of the drone proposal said the group was open to British participation in the project. “They can join anytime if they want,” said the person, who, lacking authorization to discuss the matter, requested anonymity.

The absence of a coherent European strategy for unmanned aerial systems has been a source of frustration for the region’s military contractors, which have collectively spent billions of euros on various drone projects that have yet to draw serious interest from governments. Yet those same governments have entered into negotiations with American and Israeli contractors about the possibility of developing or purchasing drones to meet their short- and medium-term needs.

Last month, Germany canceled a plan to purchase five Euro Hawk drones that were being jointly developed by EADS and Northrop Grumman of the United States, citing the program’s escalating costs of more than €1 billion, or $1.3 billion.

France, meanwhile, is in talks with companies in the United States and Israel to buy two surveillance drones to support military operations in sub-Saharan Africa, where it is fighting Islamist militants in Mali. Defense Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, who has been openly critical of France’s lack of independent drone capability, has said Paris could purchase up to 10 more such drones over the medium term.

Analysts said that in order for a pan-European program to get off the ground, the companies would probably need commitments from the region’s governments for at least 40 to 50 drones.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/17/busin ... hoofinance
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Turkey's domestically produced UAV

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X-post...
vasu raya wrote:
well AERCAB is the missing link, its a concept from 1970s, with today's technology it could be a reality (watch the videos below), maybe by the 2020s it will be mainstream in the mil domain.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4arnATc04U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWJ1ratGKAo
Rossy's carbon-kevlar Jetwing has four engines attached, which each offer a thrust of 22kg, propelling the Swiss aviator at between 200-300kph, controlled by a simple throttle in his hand. The rest of the controls are left to the human-fuselage, Yves Rossy himself who simply usages his shoulders, body and legs to steer, pitch and descend.
getting rid of all those acrobatics will make for a more usable hardware. Here is what the Abhyas drone from DRDO is about

DRDO developing high-speed target drone Abhyas
“The first experimental launch (without the engine) of Abhyas was held last year at the Chitradurga range. It was the first ground-based trial held at the new range. We are now working on a small gas turbine engine weighing 19 kg having a thrust of 25 kg to be fitted on to Abhyas,” Krishnan said.
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beaut!
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SaiK wrote:
beaut!
Seems to have missed the first arresting wire. Must be quite tricky to take off in the same run, if both the wires are missed.
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ADE is developing fuel cell based mini UAVs.

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Prahaar wrote:Seems to have missed the first arresting wire. Must be quite tricky to take off in the same run, if both the wires are missed.
Bingo is actually catching the 2nd wire for manned touch downs and I guess the same for the unmanned ones. If you catch the 1st wire, it is not perfect and you came in too low.
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The "ideal landing" engages the third wire (out of four).
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Raman wrote:The "ideal landing" engages the third wire (out of four).
Yes, a sign of a mature / experienced pilot is to aim for the third (of four) wires, by the time the third wire is snagged, the place has slowed down (some what as compared to 1 or 2) and will have a lesser stress on the air frame due to the wire's tug/pull in the arrested landing.
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http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 309475.cms

so, then if it going be ubiquitous, then it is necessary for IFF on them.
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Where is the drone testing range?
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UAVs capable of launching weapons soon: DRDO chief
Precision-guided munitions (PGMs) that can be launched from Unmanned Aerial Vehicles (UAVs) will be test-fired by the Defence Research and Development Organisation in a couple of months, Scientific Advisor to the Defence Minister Avinash Chander said. PGMs are target-specific and meant to prevent collateral damage.

City-based Research Centre Imarat (RCI) had played a major role in the development of the PGMs, Mr. Chander, who is also the DRDO’s Director General, said at the RCI’s silver jubilee celebrations held here on Monday.

He also lauded the RCI for its contribution in every field of missile technology — from Prithvi to the long-range Agni systems.

Calling for miniaturisation of the systems to increase the accuracy of missiles, he said a major thrust was on bridging vital gaps in developing advanced seekers, sensors and actuators. Future challenges included the development of navigation and telemetry on chip and that of loitering weapons with 80 per cent explosives and 20 per cent avionics.

RCI Director G. Satheesh Reddy said plans were afoot to extend the range of guided smart-bombs from 30 km to 100 km.
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Avid wrote:
Neshant wrote:what the..

US eyes India’s Port Blair as new drone base in event of war against China :eek:

NEW DELHI: Port Blair might not be anything more than a vacation spot for most Indians, but a new Pentagon- commissioned report seeks to turn it into something radically different: a base for American drones.

In possibly the first reference to the use of Indian territory for the US military in recent times, the paper, put together by the RAND Corporation, suggests that the capital of the Andaman and Nicobar Islands could be ideally suited as a base for American drones in the event of an offensive against China.

The paper, titled ‘Overseas Basing of US Military Forces’, was commissioned by the Pentagon on the instructions of the US Congress and looks into the presence of the American military at various bases and locations across the globe.

...
“At first glance it seems incredibly unlikely, but the US and Indian navies have been steadily increasing their cooperation since 2006… In the event of Chinese aggression, it is not inconceivable that India might permit the US to operate maritime surveillance platforms from its Andaman Islands territory.”

AN IDEAL HUB FOR DRONES

A new Pentagon- commissioned report, put together by the RAND Corporation, suggests that Port Blair could be ideally suited as a base for American drones in the event of an offensive against China

The paper was commissioned by the Pentagon on the instructions of the US Congress and looks into the presence of the American military at various bases and locations across the globe

As part of this assessment, the researchers at RAND looked into large- scale operations against potential adversaries, including Iran, North Korea and China

The paper said the Navy would strive to station a detachment of broad area maritime surveillance UAVs (unmanned aerial vehicles or drones) at Port Blair airport to increase surveillance over the Strait of Malacca, which carries about a quarter of all oil that is transported.

http://stratrisks.com/geostrat/12885
Why would they not operate out of Singapore, where there is a USN base?
testing the waters., some one visiting india did suggest use of thiruvananthapuram as a base for the american air force .. After such leaks to general media they would want to know how popular response is before making a formal suggestion.
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kit wrote: testing the waters., some one visiting india did suggest use of thiruvananthapuram as a base for the american air force .. After such leaks to general media they would want to know how popular response is before making a formal suggestion.
Nope.

This is the second shoe to fall.

I had posted an article which mentioned a US plan to circle China with such bases (check the international thread - I think that is where I had posted it some 2-3 weeks ago).

I think there is clear understanding that India will allow a "site" - as the article put it. The expectation was NE or perhaps even Bengal. That it is Port Blair is news.

(In fact at that time I had mentioned - more as a joke - about F-18s via FMS. Who knows it just may happen with the Rafale supposedly in some sort of trouble (I am not aware of what the problem is with the Rafales)).)
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Neshant wrote:India should ask if it can join this project.

Eventually there will be collaborative efforts on UAV development so why not start right off the bat.

The heart of the system is its electronic package & sensors (beyond just amateur stuff like video cams), not the fact that it can take off & land which anyone can do.
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Defense Contractors Urge a Drone Made in Europe

By NICOLA CLARK
Published: June 16, 2013


PARIS — Three of Europe’s top military contractors urged the region’s governments on Sunday to support a joint program to develop a reconnaissance drone to reduce dependence on American and Israeli manufacturers.
Bad idea.

Need to hook up with Israel for sure. Europeans are too damn behind. And bankrupt too. They will make India pay and give nothing back - like what the Russians are doing.
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UAVs capable of launching weapons soon: DRDO chief

The headline probably describes a Helina-type missile going by the "...launching weapons..." and "..will be test-fired.." bit. But then there is this:
plans were afoot to extend the range of guided smart-bombs from 30 km to 100 km.
The only thing that comes close to this wild description is the swing wing adapter kit (SWAK) equipped glide bomb. Hopefully DRDO is trying both glide bombs and AGMs.

Armed UAVs are potent and quickly achievable weapons for us and we need them in the hundreds. But do we have a UAV big enough to use PGMs anywhere near ready?
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even with 4 diamond shaped wings, 900kmph launch speed from 40,000ft in near perfect conditions of weather the most I have heard is around (25 miles) 40km for unpowered gliding kits. 100km will need power. something like a AASM (power) + wing kit maybe.
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^^^
Well, lot of guide bombs, including the SDB claim 100km + range.
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radar/EO guided AA guns will make short work of such long range slow movers. speed will be much slower than any fighter for sure.

good for targeting some camel tents and "OMG 100 hits @ 100k off a F-15" type psyops...real use debatable.
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Rocket/jet powered bombs/missiles are also mostly subsonic. And so are free fall bombs, how many of them are actually ever shot out before hitting the ground?
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I havent heard of glide bombs being shot down. Wouldnt their RCS be pretty tiny?
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Looks like the only "indigenous" stuff coming out of local companies will be stuff imported and re-labelled as Indian made.

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AeroVironment Eyes India

By Rex Moore and Blake Bos | More Articles | Save For Later
August 30, 2013 | Comments (0)


The latest in drone and robotics technology was on display recently at the world's largest unmanned systems exhibition in Washington, D.C. California-based AeroVironment (NASDAQ: AVAV ) , which makes unmanned aircraft systems, displayed several of its drones.

Motley Fool analysts Rex Moore and Blake Bos were at the conference, and chatted with AeroVironment's Dave Heidel. In this installment of a multi-part series, Dave talks about the company's new teaming agreement with an Indian firm, which may lead to future lucrative contracts.

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^ in a way it is better to copy than do nothing.

In UAV realm, there is nothing wrong in India copying west. Nothing wrong to be student and follower of knowledge instead of stupid fashion, slavery and dhimmitude.
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I don't know how long this slide show will be hosted at the following url but it is a must see for BRF bhailog. some of you may actually thank me for it:

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/sli ... 829873.cms

This is some exposition in Umrikha. 16 slides only.
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NRao wrote:........ (I am not aware of what the problem is with the Rafales)).)
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Before elections order flow for defense equipment

Check all procurements.
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Believe me sirs
As long ADA sits on drone development nothing will happen.

Moons ago a gent named RCA Cage said UAVs made in India are round the corner nothing happened
Still importing from IAI
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RamaY wrote:^ in a way it is better to copy than do nothing.

In UAV realm, there is nothing wrong in India copying west. Nothing wrong to be student and follower of knowledge instead of stupid fashion, slavery and dhimmitude.

Spending money and buying stuff is not "being a student" because nothing is learnt.

Its a handover of money and nothing more.

You can hand over money to buy a Ferrari but that does not make you an automotive engineer. Ditto with all the bullsh&t about "transfer of technology". You do not download the brains of foreign scientists & engineers into the local cadre of scientists & engineers by handing over money to a foreign country.

Ultimately India is financing the R&D base of a foreign country which means that much less for the domestic R&D base.

There's really no point in calling something "indigenous" if its imported, re-labelled and sold as indigenous. Any fool can do that.
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^ I am not talking about the HALE or MALE types or UCAVs sir, for which we may have to acquire some and build others on our own.

I am taking about the million off the shelf type variety we would need for traffic control, crowd monitoring, emergency management etc., these can be built by using off the shelf items. The whole small UAV world is becoming componentized.
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