Small Arms Thread

abhik · Post by **abhik** » 26 Oct 2015 21:37

Thakur_B wrote:Cz Bren 806 has been released to fix the problems of Cz 805, which was offered in Indian multi cal rifle competition. (stuff the dalal's would try their best to hide)
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2015 ... ult-rifle/

I seriously think we need a separate positive newj thread on international and/or imported arms in the Mil forum.

srai · Post by **srai** » 27 Oct 2015 03:49

Iron Man backpack: Massive 500 Round Ammunition Backpack for US military

TSJones · Post by **TSJones** » 27 Oct 2015 18:42

as a Marine you gotta marvel at the Army's gear. They got it and in plentitude.

Manish_P · Post by **Manish_P** » 27 Oct 2015 19:35

So much neater and tidier than...

BTW

450 rounds on back with continuous fire

Of course 500 > 450

Gyan · Post by **Gyan** » 28 Oct 2015 00:22

ArmenT wrote:
Gyan wrote:Lastly, if the shorter barrelled INSAS does not work with Indian Round then even "imported" carbines will not work.
And you know this, how exactly?

Physics does not change if bribed

ArmenT · Post by **ArmenT** » 28 Oct 2015 06:40

Gyan wrote:
ArmenT wrote: And you know this, how exactly?
Physics does not change if bribed

Yes, and I'm calling on you to explain the physics, metallurgy, bribery or whatever.

Thakur_B · Post by **Thakur_B** » 28 Oct 2015 06:55

ArmenT wrote:
Gyan wrote:
Physics does not change if bribed
Yes, and I'm calling on you to explain the physics, metallurgy, bribery or whatever.

Gyan ji is Philip. Minus agenda. Minus the Gyan Philip ji has. Unlike Philip ji though, Gyan posts to get a response. He can't be bothered to search, follow up and post some actual stuff. He will post just a rant, civil enough, to rile others and do the heavy lifting for him.

Gyan · Post by **Gyan** » 28 Oct 2015 18:05

If the propellant has a long burn ie it does not burn fully within the short barrel, then irrespective of the make of rifle, the problem of flash will remain with imported carbines also with Indian round.

I remember a import loving Gentleman on this thread who said great things about ARX imported rifle on basis of the secret information from army trials but alas it got rejected.

ArmenT · Post by **ArmenT** » 28 Oct 2015 18:12

Gyan wrote:If the propellant has a long burn ie it does not burn fully within the short barrel, then irrespective of the make of rifle, the problem of flash will remain with imported carbines also with Indian round.

And you've personally tested out this assertion of yours, right? You do know there are ways to reduce that flash, correct?

I remember a import loving Gentleman on this thread who said great things about ARX imported rifle on basis of the secret information from army trials but alas it got rejected.

Who was that? Just curious. Links would be helpful.

rkhanna · Post by **rkhanna** » 29 Oct 2015 14:17

USMC Chooses M4 as Standard Rifle

http://kitup.military.com/2015/10/marin ... z3pwzSLCFh

"The weapon’s shorter barrel, compact size and lighter weight make it ideal in tight quarters such as urban operations.

As my colleague, Matthew Cox has reported, officials this summer signaled their intentions to finally switch out the M16A4, in part because of the M4’s improved accuracy using new 5.56mm rounds.

The transition is expected to be complete by the Sept. 30 end of fiscal 2016."

Thakur_B · Post by **Thakur_B** » 31 Oct 2015 05:10

Viv S wrote:
Kakkaji wrote:Thakur Saheb:

My question/ concern was about the barrel length of Excalibur, not MCIWS
Its definitely shorter. Meant to be a carbine really. Which is one of the reasons why the 20 round magazine makes no sense at all.

The 20 and 30 round magazines are interchangeable in the INSAS family. Here is Excalibur displayed with 30 round magazine:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-LnOMP0sKvIc/T ... 252529.jpg

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 11 Nov 2015 15:54

F-Insas Programme: Future Infantry Soldier As A System - A Reality Check

member_22539 · Post by **member_22539** » 11 Nov 2015 16:43

^Isn't that an old article?

Thakur_B · Post by **Thakur_B** » 04 Dec 2015 20:39

IRDE and ARDE have released two small value tenders pertaining to MCIWS.

IRDE has apparently issued a single tender to a single vendor for 1 uncooled thermal imager, which indicates this might simply be an early prototype. The imager is supposed to have inbuilt recticle settings for 4 different types of ammunition (what's the 4th type other than 5.56x45. 7.62x39 and 6.8 mm ?) which indicates the upper of the rifle will not be changed while changing calibres. My guess is the 4th ammunition setting will be for 5.56 launched from a shorter barrel.

ARDE on the other hand has issued a tender for 5 nos of UBGL, which again indicates early prototypes. MCIWS till now has been displayed with the current ARDE UBGL with fire control computer mounted on side rail for programmable grenade.

AdityaM · Post by **AdityaM** » 10 Dec 2015 23:54

Can anyone Id this gun

Thakur_B · Post by **Thakur_B** » 11 Dec 2015 09:11

^^ The polish are doing some interesting stuff with their MSBS concept with the same rifle being developed in both conventional and bullpup layout. Same parts, different furniture.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 11 Dec 2015 09:22

AdityaM wrote:Can anyone Id this gun

To me it looks like a crude country made muzzle loader. The polish suggests that it could be a fake "antique" for display

ArmenT · Post by **ArmenT** » 11 Dec 2015 09:23

AdityaM wrote:Can anyone Id this gun

It is a blunderbuss type pistol using percussion cap technology, probably built some time in the early part of the 1800s. Looks like the butt cap is missing and it has seen some better days.

AdityaM · Post by **AdityaM** » 11 Dec 2015 09:55

^^ Shiv the polish you see is only the reflection of the camera flash at very close range. there is hardly any polish on it.
^ ArmenT I am unable to find a similar design on google, the muzzle has a nice carving on it, but cant find any markings since some plate seems to be missing

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 12 Dec 2015 00:45

AdityaM, Looks like an early modern blunderbuss pistol.
Have seen it in museums for naval officers.

Paul · Post by **Paul** » 12 Dec 2015 06:11

DOesn't Blunderbass have a flared barrel?

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 21 Dec 2015 06:44

Misfiring quest for a reliable rifle for soldiers

A series of modifications have since been done to rectify the defects, but the Army still lacks a modern assault rifle. Some officials stress that INSAS is a decent rifle and has to be improved upon.

Lt. Gen. H.S. Panag, former Northern Army Commander, said: “It is a pretty decent weapon. Product design can be improved upon.”

He said importing an assault rifle would be ridiculous, and stressed that one had to be developed in India. “In my view, INSAS will be in service for another 15 years. It should be a family of weapons with variants — an assault rifle, light machine gun and a carbine.”

Lt. Gen. Panag said the general firing standards are not great and had to be improved upon. “A lot depends upon who is handling the machine. The general firing standards of the Indian Army are average.”

rkhanna · Post by **rkhanna** » 21 Dec 2015 09:24

Lt. Gen. Panag said the general firing standards are not great and had to be improved upon. “A lot depends upon who is handling the machine. The general firing standards of the Indian Army are average.

Average? But what is the yardstick?

Thakur_B · Post by **Thakur_B** » 30 Dec 2015 06:08

Ajai Shukla ‏@ajaishukla 22 hrs22 hours ago
@ranjeet_singh28 The new Excalibur is turning out to be an excellent weapon, with which even the (highly demanding) army appears satisfied.

FWIW.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 30 Dec 2015 08:20

^^ Reliability, reliability, reliability. That should be the main focus for making Excalibur, making it as soldier, environment proof as possible.

Having said that, the 5.56mm issue will remain.

Gyan · Post by **Gyan** » 30 Dec 2015 09:39

Excaliber is a simplified INSAS to remove needless features and make it more robust.

Aditya G · Post by **Aditya G** » 30 Dec 2015 18:08

Excalibur does not have burst mode. Its either single shot or full auto. IMHO that's the most crucial difference.

I hope it can replace the INSAS instead of TAR-21. Nothing will replace AKM.

member_29258 · Post by **member_29258** » 31 Dec 2015 10:51

Hunt on for new generation assault rifles; upgraded INSAS not a replacement
By Manu Pubby

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/art ... aign=cppst

uddu · Post by **uddu** » 31 Dec 2015 11:29

Expect more and more such articles to appear as Excaliber is closer to mass production and MCIWS is going in for trials.

Have popcorn and watch the media tamasha.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 31 Dec 2015 11:41

Mango question.

What does they mean by "next generation" here??? Handgun with self recharging Fhezar??? Or some idiot in media will decide what constitutes the next generation?

Gyan · Post by **Gyan** » 31 Dec 2015 19:55

Import deals for Small Arms are potentially worth Rs. 40,000 crores, now guess how much advertisement can be purchased.

Kakkaji · Post by **Kakkaji** » 01 Jan 2016 06:26

Ajay Shukla's and Manu Pubby's reports on the Excalibur's trialresults are contradictory. Shukla says the army is happy with it, and Pubby says it is not satsfactory.

And what, pray tell, is wrong with an 'updated INSAS'? Isn't the T-90, which the army prefers over the Arjun, just an updated T-72?

deejay · Post by **deejay** » 01 Jan 2016 09:43

I will trust Musharraf before I trust Manu Pubby. There is a coup in his stories on everything and a lot of misplaced missiles too.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 01 Jan 2016 13:39

But he has inside sources who feed him all this stuff sir.. Anything that requires a hit job... They will trot this joker out..

deejay · Post by **deejay** » 01 Jan 2016 13:55

Karan M wrote:But he has inside sources who feed him all this stuff sir.. Anything that requires a hit job... They will trot this joker out..

That is the point. He is doing a hit job. He is not reporting. Inside source doesn't mean he is propagating authentic information.

habal · Post by **habal** » 01 Jan 2016 16:51

Kakkaji wrote:Isn't the T-90, which the army prefers over the Arjun, just an updated T-72?

One advantage of T-90 over others is that the enemy mistakes the T-90 for T-72 every single time. This has it's benefits in the battlefield.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 01 Jan 2016 17:27

deejay wrote:
Karan M wrote:But he has inside sources who feed him all this stuff sir.. Anything that requires a hit job... They will trot this joker out..
That is the point. He is doing a hit job. He is not reporting. Inside source doesn't mean he is propagating authentic information.

Point taken.

Gyan · Post by **Gyan** » 02 Jan 2016 17:59

Ajai and Pubby may be both right. Army likes Exacalibur but wants changes, which will take more than 2 years and then 6-8 phases of trials. So it can be interpreted both ways.

rkhanna · Post by **rkhanna** » 07 Jan 2016 15:52

First time i am seeing this

Barretta 50Cal? From the recent incident

Also on one of the pakdef fora there is a picture of a NSG trouper with what looks like a SPAS15 Automatic Shotgun

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 07 Jan 2016 15:58

Why cant our private Industry be allowed to manufacture those along with Ammunition?