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pentaiah wrote:looks like compressed gas rifle like in the movie
"No countr for old Men"
that one is a cattle killing gun that fires a heavy metal bolt attached to a spring toward the skull.
but the idea is similar in using compressed air for multiple shots.

paintballs do leave painful red welts if it hits exposed skin or thin cloth. we once caught a guy in the open, he was chubby and peppered him from behind cover...next day he showed us the red welts on his belly and thigh. the ones used in india have around 50m range...I have heard in places like malaysia they allow upto 200m range.
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Can't they use normal guns with paint rounds ? these paint ball guns do not work like any gun by a long margin except if the gun is Paki replica of a Cheeni rip-off . Paint ball guns are very awkward to hold, sights are useless, accuracy is very, very poor and you can fire the gun only when held in certain positions. That's my own personal experience, others may have better idea.
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^^^^
Yes, it's called simunition. They use it mainly for training SF guys and USMC in realistic scenarios. That ammunition is pretty expensive though (about 3x-4x the price of normal ammo). They also need to slightly modify the service weapons to work with simuntion, but the service weapons can be restored back to their former state by merely removing the conversion kit parts after the exercise. Was going to blog about it in the future.
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Army should collaborate with OFB to develop bullpub sniper version of 7.62mm Isapore rifle. Though knowing the procurement system, soon there will be clamour for import of bullpub sniper rifles.
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I watched a movie called 9th company on Netflix a few days ago. Its quite better in portraying the classic Assaults. I just couldn't stop thinking how conventional assault rifle would fair against a Bullpup in scenarios like these that IA would be more likely to face.

Also, the movie is quite good compared to other hero centered war movies. Its by some Russian movie agency I guess.
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The Sten Gun

During WWII, the UK was short of resources and skilled machinists. It desperately needed a gun it could put into mass production to arm its troops. The gun would have to be simple & quick to build in large numbers and cost very little. Building rifles was out of the question. Rifles would take too long to manufacture, cost too much and too few would be produced.

So some guy came up with a very simple gun design - called the Sten gun. What a simple & elegant looking weapon. It was a light weight, sub-machine gun - not very accurate, low muzzle velocity and short range but high rate of fire. The Russians too came to the same conclusion that a sub-machine gun would be easiest to mass manufacture and their was called the PPSh. Why bother training a soldier for marksmanship if he's only going to live a short while in a major battle. May as well give him a gun that he can spray the enemy with and hopefully do some damage.

Check out the story of the Sten gun :

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Alleged Corruption In German Military H&K G36 Rifle Acquisition
Even private companies are not an exception.
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Re-arming the Indian Army's troops with lethal, modern weapons
http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/re-ar ... ons-298245
The Indian Infantry - that hard working, non-complaining arm of the Army - is at last likely to get the attention it deserves, if plans envisaged by Army Chief General Bikram Singh and the Directorate of Infantry fructify in the next couple of years.

Starting 2014, several basic weapons used by the 350-odd infantry battalions are likely to be replaced by a new and more lethal ones. So the assault rifle, the carbine, the light machine gun (LMG), the sniper rifle and even the anti-tank guided missile (ATGM) - essentials in an infantry battalion - all are set to be replaced over the next five years. Many of these weapons, currently used by the troops are of 1960s vintage. The Dragunov sniper rifle, for instance. Or the ATGMs which are on second generation variety.

To begin with, the current mix of 7.62 self-loading rifle and the 5.56 INSAS rifle used by some battalions is likely to be replaced by a new double barrel rifle complete with a conversion kit which will enable the troops to make dual use.

"When an infantry battalion is deployed in counter-insurgency, counter-terrorism (CI-CT) role , it will have the option to use the 7.62 mm barrel but when it gets posted to a peace station, the 7.62 mm barrel can be mothballed in field stores and the same rifle can then be converted to 5.56 mm bore."


Each infantry battalion in the Indian Army normally holds about 494 pieces of the basic rifles. In the first phase, 120-odd battalions deployed in CI-CT role under Northern and Eastern Command will get these rifles by mid-2014. In phase II, transfer of technology will be ensured and the production will then be taken up by India's Ordnance Factory Board (OFB).

Well-known gun brands like Colt and Beretta are among five or six companies competing for the big tender of 60,000 assault rifles estimated to cost Rs. 5,000 crore at current prices. According to Army Headquarters, field trials are currently on and are expected to go on till mid-2013 before a winner emerges.

The current version of the LMGs - 45 in each battalion - are of 5.56 mm bore and are bulky at 6.23 kg. The Army plans to replace them with much lighter and more lethal ones with longer range and 7.62x51 mm bore. The general staff qualitative requirements (GSQR) for the new LMGs are being worked out currently, according to informed sources in the Army HQ.

Procurement of third generation ATGMs worth about Rs. 2,000 crore is being given priority since the current lot of eight launchers to each battalion is of much older vintage. The Army wants to graduate from the Milan ATGMs (which has a semi-automatic command line of sight) to a third generation ATGM which will be an 'automatic command line of sight' ability. In other words, it will have the "fire and forget" mechanism. Trials are currently on for this version of ATGMs in the western sector where they would be initially deployed given that tank warfare will dominate any conflict in this area.

The other big procurement on the anvil is the induction of the new generation carbine. India has plans to procure over 43,000 carbines at a cost of over Rs. 3,200 crore. Each infantry battalion currently holds an inventory of about 230 carbines. While trials are on, the first induction of the newer generation of carbines is likely to take place in 2014.

Sources in the Army HQ say Army Chief General Bikram Singh, an infantry officer himself, is keen that the foot soldiers in the forefront of CI-CT and conventional operations, get the best of weaponry to match their undoubted courage and commitment.
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while we shold appriciate all this, but import everything and they give licence manufactore to OFB ??? Shameful old drama of MOD and DPSU goes on and on.
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Has the M-4 become more common in the SF these days? Take a look below:

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I knew the M-4 was in use with some special units, and the solider in the pic above may very well be one of them.

-Vivek
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Neshant wrote:The Sten Gun

During WWII, the UK was short of resources and skilled machinists. It desperately needed a gun it could put into mass production to arm its troops. The gun would have to be simple & quick to build in large numbers and cost very little. Building rifles was out of the question. Rifles would take too long to manufacture, cost too much and too few would be produced.

So some guy came up with a very simple gun design - called the Sten gun. What a simple & elegant looking weapon.

Frankly UK chaps were morons they should have learnt from Indian Procurement system and imported from Germany the best possible rifles.
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^^^^
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Identify this weapon

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hint:- french forces
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tushar_m wrote:Identify this weapon
Looks pretty straightforward.

FAMAS- Felin Variant


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Isn't that the modified gangster grip ?
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DRD Paratus Modular semi-automatic rifle

Designed by Swetal “Skip” K. Patel (PIO ?)

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vivek_ahuja wrote:Has the M-4 become more common in the SF these days? Take a look below:

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I knew the M-4 was in use with some special units, and the solider in the pic above may very well be one of them.

-Vivek
http://forceindia.net/AimtoKill.aspx

Special Forces teams and elite units of the Indian armed forces are now being equipped with an impressive array of state-of-the-art weaponry. Indian Army (IA) Special Force’s (SF) commandos, Indian Navy Marine Commandos (MARCOS) and Indian Air Force Garud teams are today equipped with state-of-the-art weapons from all over the world. Last year IA signed a multi-crore deal with the United States for procuring Colt M4 carbines (based on the M16A4) for eight SF battalions. The M4 carbine is the latest member of the M16 assault rifle family but is a shorter weapon more suited to close quarter battles (CQB), with a collapsible buttstock, a range of accessories and a high rate of fire.
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Cross sections of various ammunitions:


Hundreds of them at:
http://www.ar15.com/ammo/project/Ammo_Cross_Sections/

.308 Solid copper projectile, headstamp FA/62
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thats all is in a bullet ???
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I don't know why IA has M16/4 series rifle at all when US troop don't like to due to lake of stopping power.same goes to INSAS which has same issue.
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Rather than opening defence manufacturing to the private sector, our netas fund foreign MIC's buying stuff like small arms like M-4 and Barettas and filling their pockets with commission. The men in charge are called saints, I can understand a few hundred or thousand specialized guns but run of the mill stuff like M-4. I am sure if OFB, or it is allowed for private sector we could have come up with an equally capabe alternative.
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Forget OFB people any decent private sector eng or machine tool manufacturing unit can make good products at cheap rates. But there is cure for addition for gora mall.
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krishnan wrote:thats all is in a bullet ???
Yep. The basic parts of a cartridge are:
1. Case
2. Bullet
3. Propellant grains
4. Primer cap

You can see the parts all separated in this page.
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Aditya_V wrote:Rather than opening defence manufacturing to the private sector, our netas fund foreign MIC's buying stuff like small arms like M-4 and Barettas and filling their pockets with commission. The men in charge are called saints, I can understand a few hundred or thousand specialized guns but run of the mill stuff like M-4. I am sure if OFB, or it is allowed for private sector we could have come up with an equally capabe alternative.
Quite a few people think that the OFB is the only organization in India with the experience to make firearms. Funny thing is that there is a private Indian manufacturing company that has subcontracted several parts for IWI (the guys that make the tavor), Sigarms pistols(the makers of SIG Sauer), parts for a large Turkish firearm manufacturer that supplies the Turkish army (second largest army in Europe!) and 17 other manufacturers in the US and Europe (I believe they make some parts for Remington and Marlin as well). This company is not allowed to compete with OFB though, so it will be really hilarious if the Indian military places a large order of tavors or Sig P229/P250s, only to find out that most of the parts are sourced from a factory in Doddaballapur!
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krishnan wrote:thats all is in a bullet ???
Yep, for a traditional centerfire cartridge. Rimfire would be a little simpler (.22, .17...)

It's becoming more commonplace to save the casing and fill your own powder up so the back casing doesn't get tossed quite often anymore :)
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This is the receiving end of small arms. Ms Ipsita Biswas, Scientist F - Terminal Baqllistic Research Lab of DRDO , has written : Some facts & myths of bullet proof jacket
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Can anyone identify the gun type in the pic.
If its some custom type from darra ... Its rare to see top commanders parading them in interviews keeping aside their imported tfta maal.
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seems to be some kind of sniper gun ???
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Yes - reminded me of the sniper gun in "day of the jackal"
Thats Mullah Fazlullah BTW giving his latest interview owing up to dispatching a TSPA general
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Russians Test Thermal Weapon Sight of the Future

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By far, the most bad-ass looking Insas.

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^^^^

True, INSAS 1B1 with UBGL and Zeiss Red Dot sight
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Black INSAS with UBGLs always look very good.


BTW, just look at the air-brushing/touch-ups done on the Chinese soldier. :lol:
Cheeni and Pakis are cut from the same H&D cloth.

Apart from that, Indian soldier is better equipped than a phoren army, for a change.
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No offense to anyone but the left half looks like what nightmares are made of and the right half is a great pinup. :mrgreen:
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^+1 Indeed :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
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Chinese looks almost Feminine. This is the best they can do - A Sissy/Pansy ?
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