Indian Navy and International Anti-Piracy Ops

atreya · Post by **atreya** » 26 Jul 2011 19:57

This might backfire. Till date, pirates have not been violent when taking over merchant ships, but if armed men respond aggressively, it can lead to similar treatment. An alternative might be to arm such escorts with non lethal weaponry. Again, though, how effective would THAT be?
Chaiwala tells me, many shipping companies advise using fire hoses against boarding pirates. No idea if somebody has used that to repel pirates, though.

Aditya G · Post by **Aditya G** » 03 Aug 2011 01:46

Here it is - video and proof of PNS Babur's "achievement" in high seas. The maneuver looks risky enough in Youtube - what would have happened if the ships collided?

Hariprasad wrote:[youtube]2RNkUf1PezM&feature=player_embedded#at=242[/youtube]

Juggi G wrote:There was a Big Bad Soovar Captaining PNS Babur which tailed and intentionally brushed the INS Godavari

Babur Tried to Disrupt War Game
The Indian Express
Babur Tried to Disrupt War Game
Manu Pubby
Posted : Wed Jun 22 2011
New Delhi

The Pakistani Warship that triggered a diplomatic squabble between India and Pakistan ahead of the foreign secretary level talks is a ‘History-Sheeter’ that came dangerously close to Indian warships in the Arabian Sea Thrice in the Past Eight Months and Even Tried to Disrupt War Games being Conducted by the Indian Navy in International Waters.

Details have now emerged that show that the PNS Babur has a History of Aggressive Behaviour at sea and last Thursday’s incident when it brushed past the INS Godavari while escorting the MV Suez is the Third Time that it has Deliberately Taunted Indian Warships.

It is also Speculated that all Three Incidents are Related to the Captain of the Pakistani warship, Azhar Naeem, who Spent Three Years in the ISI Before Taking Charge of the Ship Recently.

Source said that the first incident was recorded in November last year when Indian warships were taking part in the Defence of Gujarat Exercise. The Babur came dangerously close and attempted to disrupt the war game.

The action was repeated in January when it attempted to interfere in war games in the Arabian Sea.

In both cases, the Babur breached the three mile distance that is followed by warships of both countries as part of CBMs. Sources said the Indian Navy lodged a complaint in both cases.

suryag · Post by **suryag** » 03 Aug 2011 02:42

Useless fellows, dont know what they were trying to prove here. The crowd looks like a bunch of unruly ruffians anyways they were known for their professionalism.

koti · Post by **koti** » 12 Aug 2011 20:27

Maybe the we should go Russian while dealing with the Pirates.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=7d3_1312921330

manum · Post by **manum** » 12 Aug 2011 20:42

koti wrote:Maybe the we should go Russian while dealing with the Pirates.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=7d3_1312921330

We cant...Russian don't have much of their citizen's lives at stake as Indians, who are servicing on almost each merchant ship...Pirates take extra care of them in such cases.

This is why India asked UN to take lead in such matters, than going hero.

suryag · Post by **suryag** » 13 Aug 2011 06:49

^^^ some of them look paki. Get into an understanding with the russians and book tickets for these pirates to meet their 72s

nithish · Post by **nithish** » 14 Aug 2011 06:17

Hijacked ship with 9 Indians released

Merchant vessel (MV) Sinin which was hijacked by Somali pirates in February with 21 persons, including 9 Indians, on board was released on Saturday.

In a statement released on Saturday, the director general of shipping confirmed the release and said that all the "21 persons, including 9 Indians, are safe". Owners of the ship have replenished fuel and food supply.

The vessel is expected to reach Colombo by August 19, where it will be dry docked for inspection. Maltese-flagged MV Sinin was on its way to Fujairah in UAE from Singapore when the pirates attacked it 350 nautical miles east of Oman. The bulk carriers, managed by Irano Hind Shipping in Tehran, also had 12 Iranians on board.

Following a distress signal, an aircraft of the Combined Maritime Forces (CMF) immediately responded and it photographed two suspected Somali pirates skiffs on board the vessel.

Craig Alpert · Post by **Craig Alpert** » 15 Aug 2011 06:57

Coastal security pressures 'sink' blue-water dreams

NEW DELHI: India's coastal security concerns are exacting a heavy toll on its naval 'blue-water' aspirations, maritime diplomacy and operational readiness.

Sources say Navy has been forced to cancel the deployment of its frontline warships to Mediterranean Sea and North Atlantic in August-September, which was to include a series of combat exercises with several countries like France, UK and Turkey, due to 'heavy commitments' in the coastal security arena.

Navy did dispatch five of its eastern fleet warships to Vladivostok in Russia earlier this year, with the 'Simbex' exercise with Singaporean Navy and the 'Malabar' one with US warships being conducted on the way. But the western fleet's overseas deployment stands scrapped now.

Even since the 26/11 terror strikes in 2008, operational deployment of warships and surveillance aircraft of both Navy and Coast Guard has seen 'a quantum jump' on both the west and east coasts.

"Warship deployment has gone up by 60-80% and aircraft deployment by 100% for coastal security tasking. In July alone, for instance, there were about 440 ship and 190 aircraft surveillance sorties," said a defence ministry official.

"Moreover, a total of 165 coastal security operations, 54 exercises and 259 awareness campaigns for fishermen have been conducted between January 2009 and June 2011," he added.

This sharp increase in 'predictive utilization rates'' of warships and aircraft for coastal security, as also for anti-piracy operations, is pushing both men as well as machines to 'their very limits'.

"Earlier, a warship was at sea for 15 days in a month, with the remaining time left for maintenance at harbour. Now, it's at sea for 20-25 days. Operational life of ships and aircraft is being consumed at a much faster rate now," admitted an official.

But that does not detract from the fact that even abandoned ships like MT Pavit have managed to breach the three-tier security ring of Navy, Coast Guard and marine police in recent days.

'Physical surveillance' alone by Navy and Coast Guard will not do any longer. 'Electronic surveillance' measures, promised by the government under 'fast-track procedures', are equally critical but are yet to materialize on the ground even three years after 26/11.

uddu · Post by **uddu** » 15 Aug 2011 08:07

That's why it is said the ICG must have the full responsibility to guard against pirates, smugglers and terrorists. All the patrolling duties in search of these criminals be done by the ICG. ICG will need heavier vessels of the Naval Offshore patrol vessels and if needed lighter corvettes and lighter frigates. Also equipping them with a very small number of coastal subs will not be a bad idea either. Our ICG must be capable of handling all types of issues other than wage a war in the Indian ocean region.
The coast guard, Marine police forces equipped with the equipment, including radars must be the agency that must be looking to fight the low intensity war in the Indian ocean region. The Navy must be relieved of this duty as soon as possible.
Cooperation can be possible and must be there, but full responsibility must be on the ICG.

Aditya G · Post by **Aditya G** » 16 Aug 2011 01:58

Another month, another MARCOS op at sea:

http://frontierindia.net/indiandefence/ ... ff-mumbai/

Rescue of Nafis-1:

http://frontierindia.net/indiandefence/ ... afis-1.jpg

nithish · Post by **nithish** » 20 Aug 2011 17:40

Somali pirates hijack ship with 21 Indian sailors from Oman

Somali pirates hijacked a tanker managed by an Indian firm with 21 Indian sailors on board on Saturday while it was being loaded at a port in the Gulf state of Oman, India's government shipping agency and a Gulf shipping source said.

The Directorate General of Shipping said the M.V. Fairchem Bogey, an chemical-oil tanker managed by Mumbai-based Anglo-Eastern Ship Management, was hijacked while anchored in Salalah port. It gave no further details.

A Salalah-based shipping source said the vessel was about to be loaded with methanol when it was hijacked early in the morning.

"The ship has been hijacked by Somali pirates from Salalah port and might already be on the way to Somalia," the source in Salalah told Reuters. "The ship was at Salalah anchorage since yesterday evening."

There was no immediate comment from Salalah port.

Oman lies at the mouth of the Gulf, a strategic, heavily patrolled waterway which channels a bulk of the world's crude shipments.

Somali pirates behind similar vessel hijackings usually operate in Indian Ocean waters, but in January, a 20,586-tonne Algerian-flagged bulk carrier was seized about 150 miles southeast of Salalah.

The ship, with 27 crew from Algeria, Ukraine and the Philippines, was heading to Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, from Salalah with a cargo of clinker.

Aditya G · Post by **Aditya G** » 26 Aug 2011 00:52

Read it all -

http://www.americanshipper.com/NewWeb/n ... ews=198532

Deadly business: Pirates demonstrate coordinated logistics approach in spreading mayhem.

By Eric Kulisch

...

Last December the Joint War Committee at Lloyd’s of London expanded the area where “war risk” premiums have to be paid up to India’s western territorial waters.
“Pirates go to where their targets are. By moving closer to Indian waters they have effectively pushed the Indian navy back towards its own coast, whereas before they’d been operating forward in defense of Indian fishing vessels and others” across the ocean, Murphy said.
Pirates have been able to effectively operate off India because of forward bases and supplier relationships they’ve established in the Maldives Islands for fuel and provisions, Frodl said. In addition to paying cash for supplies, the pirates are promising a share of ransoms to people who provide surveillance or tips about ships passing through the region that are worth attacking.
But Frodl and Murphy warned that India’s enforcement campaign will simply displace pirates once again. The pirates have begun to pull back outside India’s EEZ, staying just west of Indian patrols and east of the Internationally Recognized Transit Zone to avoid coalition forces. That has made the Arabian Sea just south of Oman one of the hottest spots for piracy in recent months.
“The SV Quest is the first direct consequence of the Indians doing such a great job” policing its waters, Frodl said.
Hardcore pirates with better financing, logistics and planning capabilities have their eyes on moving even further south near the island of Minicoy, according to C-Level Maritime Risks’ recent long-range forecast.
“The more aggressive, better bankrolled pirates are moving there and going to take advantage of the fact that the Indians won’t patrol outside EEZ and the Sri Lankans won’t patrol outside their territorial waters,” Frodl said in an interview.
By the end of the year the new hot spot for pirate activity will be south of India and Sri Lanka, he predicted.
“The Somali pirates are exploring further collaboration with the remnants of the Tamil Tigers out of Sri Lanka who in the past have sold weapons to them via Eritrea, and now our greatest fear is a coordinated assault between the Somali pirates and the remnants of the Tamil Sea Tigers against commercial navigation in the waters south of India and Sri Lanka,” Frodl said.
...

Not all rescues are a sucess:

http://www.breakbulk.com/piracy/anti-pi ... nomination

...

The Nomination was approximately 435 miles north of the Seychelles when the pirates invaded, according to Der Spiegel. The 12 crew members locked themselves in the vessel’s safe room, or citadel, sent out emergency signals, steered for the Seychelles, and waited for help. None came. By Tuesday, January 25, the pirates were able to cut their way into the safe room and capture the crew. The Seychelles Coast Guard patrol boat reached and attacked the Nomination on Wednesday but was not able to recapture the ship from the pirates.
Beluga reported this week that one crew member was shot dead by the pirates, seven crew members including the ship’s master were being held hostage aboard the vessel, and four seafarers attempted to escape to the open sea in a lifeboat. However, by Friday the Danish frigate Esbern Snare had found and rescued only two of the four. Stolberg told European news sources that the two missing men may have been shot by pirates or drowned while trying to escape.
Beluga’s emergency response team learned these details while speaking by phone with the Nomination’s master, still held prisoner aboard the ship, on January 29. The Nomination is now anchored close to the Somali Coast at Haradhere. As of Monday, January 31, no ransom demands had been sent.
Networking and communication between local institutions and commando controls including the EU mission Atalanta, the NATO operation Ocean Shield and the Seychelles Coast Guard “entirely malfunctioned,” Beluga personnel said in a statement. Beluga was not kept informed of unfolding events and no rescue teams were dispatched to the Seychelles when the Nomination made its first emergency calls

The passive “citadel” defense only works when warships quickly attack the pirates, German shipowners told news sources. Some owners are now asking the German military to protect their ships. Stolberg proposed stationing three military ships in strategic locations in the Indian Ocean. German soldiers would board ships entering the risky areas of the Indian Ocean and disembark when the vessels returned to safe waters. ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beluga_Nomination_Incident

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 27 Aug 2011 05:23

This is another front that Pak has opened:

Rupesh wrote:We always knew this...

Somali pirates' Pakistan link confirmed

It is now official: Somali pirates are being trained in Pakistan to carry out a proxy war against India.

Though Indian security agencies had been hinting at a Pakistani link to Somali pirates for long, material evidence to support this assertion has been recently recovered. The evidence was obtained from nine foreign nationals caught from a hijacked Iranian vessel - MV Nafis-1, by the Indian Navy 170 nautical miles off Mumbai on August 14.

"On several occasions we seized weapons and magazines from pirates or hijacked ships in Indian waters. These weapons bore the stamp of Pakistani ordnance factories. In this case, the guns have no label but the food items are packed and manufactured in Pakistan. Smugglers are not generally found carrying such a large amount of foreign currency," said a senior customs official.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 27 Aug 2011 06:07

what brf thinks today happens tomorrow. I can still remember the skepticism when a few of us had floated this theory looking at presence of pirates off laccadive islands, way far from somalia.

Aditya G · Post by **Aditya G** » 17 Sep 2011 22:27

A prototype for operation by IN in the future?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MY_Le_Ponant

Operation Thalathine

On April 4 2008, Le Ponant was seized by Somali pirates in the Gulf of Aden while en route from the Seychelles to the Mediterranean. The ship carried no passengers at the time of its capture, but all 30 crewmembers were taken hostage; one Cameroonian, six Filipinos, 22 French, and one Ukrainian.[3] French forces, including the aviso Commandant Bouan and a Canadian CH-124 helicopter from HMCS Charlottetown were monitoring the yacht after its seizure.[4]

The hostages were released without incident on April 12.

Following the release, French helicopters tracked the pirates from the Djibouti military base to the village of Jariban. French commando marine and GIGN operating from the frigate Jean Bart and the Jeanne d'Arc moved in when the pirates attempted to flee in the desert. A sniper disabled the get-away vehicle, and the commandos were able to capture six men. Local officials claimed that three people died in the raid, with a further eight wounded, but France denied this. Troops also recovered some of the ransom money paid by the owner of the yacht for the release of its crew.[5] The six captured pirates have since been flown to Paris, where they shall face trial.[6]

http://www.netmarine.net/forces/operati ... /index.htm

VinodTK · Post by **VinodTK** » 19 Sep 2011 05:21

India and China in deep water over sovereignty

The Sino-Indian strategic relationship is rapidly evolving and tensions are building up as was underlined in an incident in 2009 when an Indian kilo-class submarine and Chinese warships, on their way to the Gulf of Aden to patrol the pirate-infested waters, reportedly engaged in rounds of maneuvering as they tried to test for weaknesses in each others sonar systems. The Chinese media reported that its warships forced the Indian submarine to the surface, which was strongly denied by the Indian navy.

Is this old news!

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 19 Sep 2011 05:32

it is made up news. this was a small fiction piece in a HK publication, like we have the scenarios thread and was picked up by another publication as a real story.

chackojoseph · Post by **chackojoseph** » 21 Sep 2011 13:00

DCNS conducts further sea trials with BPC Dixmude

chackojoseph · Post by **chackojoseph** » 26 Sep 2011 20:40

INS Sukanya prevents piracy attempts thrice in five days

Prahar Commandos

atreya · Post by **atreya** » 26 Sep 2011 21:05

@ ^^ Do you mean MARCOS?

chackojoseph · Post by **chackojoseph** » 26 Sep 2011 21:53

Prahar wing of the MARCOS.

To quote what Facebook page says

Training lasts between a year and a half and two years, which sees the trainee pass through the basic diving and commando skills, which are conducted both at the inhouse training facility at the NSWTTC, and at various armed forces, para military, home ministry and civilian establishments across the country. This phase prepares a marco for life as a general duty combatant in the force, and he has to undergo further training to take his place in a Prahar (the smallest independent section that can independently undertake operations). Basic training is followed by six months to a year of advanced training in specialised skills, that help the marco integrate into a Prahar with one or (usually multiple) responsibilities.

Gaur · Post by **Gaur** » 26 Sep 2011 21:58

^^
This is then the first pic showing TAR-21s which were recently received by MARCOS.
Anyway, that doesn't seem to be the camo pattern that of IN MARCOS.

Can there be a possibility that things got mixed up and they are actually SL Navy Commandos cross training with IN equipment to increase inter operability?
Chako, can you please post the facebook link?

chackojoseph · Post by **chackojoseph** » 26 Sep 2011 22:01

marcos FB Page

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 26 Sep 2011 22:47

chackojoseph wrote:marcos FB Page

Is that FB page an official one?

Its profile pic is not that of MARCOS.

Gaur · Post by **Gaur** » 26 Sep 2011 23:13

^^
Definitively not the Official page. Its just a fanpage created by a guy called Pushkal Chhaparwal (see the admin name).
Also, I am now even more certain that the men shown are not MARCOS. Does anyone remember the pic where SL Army's SF were training with PARA SF (IIRC 3 PARA SF). Even they were using Tavors and many people thought they were PARA SF.

prithvi · Post by **prithvi** » 26 Sep 2011 23:14

Raja Bose wrote:
chackojoseph wrote:marcos FB Page
Is that FB page an official one? Its profile pic is not that of MARCOS.

that is not an official page.. its a group created by a fellow enthusiast ..

Craig Alpert · Post by **Craig Alpert** » 27 Sep 2011 03:32

Video of the above

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 27 Sep 2011 05:16

prithvi wrote:
chackojoseph wrote:marcos FB Page
that is not an official page.. its a group created by a fellow enthusiast ..

If anyone knows the guy, please ask him to change the profile pic. Thanks!

chackojoseph · Post by **chackojoseph** » 27 Sep 2011 08:46

Show me where I said its the official page of MARCOS?

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 27 Sep 2011 10:09

Nobody's saying its the official page - it was a question mian. Anyhow that profile pic is wrong regardless.

Lisa · Post by **Lisa** » 01 Oct 2011 13:47

Predicted 6 months ago and now the second incident in 3 weeks.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-15135544

chackojoseph · Post by **chackojoseph** » 19 Oct 2011 15:45

INS Sukanya saves MV Desh Rakshak from pirates

chackojoseph · Post by **chackojoseph** » 11 Nov 2011 20:21

INS Sukanya interdicts three pirate vessels in a single operation

member_20033 · Post by **member_20033** » 11 Nov 2011 21:19

[googlevideo][/googlevideo]

There is no point in taking them prisioner. We need to shoot them at site rather than birning them to India and feed them for 20 years and then make them Indian citizen.

If you want to stop piracy you have to be brutal

member_20067 · Post by **member_20067** » 11 Nov 2011 22:58

chackojoseph wrote:INS Sukanya interdicts three pirate vessels in a single operation

is that shotgun..?

nevin · Post by **nevin** » 11 Nov 2011 23:08

he way he holds it, it does look like a shotgun.might have got from the pirates themselves

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 11 Nov 2011 23:14

looks like a pump action shotgun used by law enforcement types in movies.
maybe they use birdshot rounds on that to scare / lightly wound people if they act tough, before considering use of deadlier bullets.

member_20033 · Post by **member_20033** » 12 Nov 2011 00:29

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Gaur · Post by **Gaur** » 12 Nov 2011 01:21

Regarding the shotgun, Marcos were seen using them in a TimesNow program where they did a mock CT op on Reliance rig. This was about an year back.

nithish · Post by **nithish** » 28 Dec 2011 00:06

Somali pirates seize Italian freighter with 7 Indians

Suspected Somali pirates on Tuesday hijacked an Italian cargo vessel with 18 crew, including seven Indian seafarers, off the coast of Oman.

The Italy-flagged M T Enrico Ievoli with 15000 mt of caustic soda on board was hijacked at 0403 hours GMT (0933 IST) by the pirates, a statement issued late this evening by the Directorate General of Shipping said.

The 138-metre long vessel, which was on a voyage from the port of BIK (Iran) to Yumurtalik in Turkey, is manned by 7 Indians, 6 Italians and 5 Ukranians and is being now taken towards the Somali coast, the statement said.

With the hijacking of Enrico Ievoli, the total number of Indian sailors in captivity goes up to 43, the DGS said. There are no reports with regard to any injury to the crew of Enrico Ievoli, the DGS said, adding demand for ransom, if any, was not immediately known.

According to an AFP report from Rome, the Naples-based owner of the ship, Marnavi, has also confirmed hijacking of the vessel. The report added that the Italian Navy has been alerted.