Singha wrote:a mix of ss-n-21, yakhont, klubs anything can be carried.
you can see the sub caliber adapter head here.
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.Cowardly Yindoo Banias have done the same thing with their Arihant and 4 tubes! 
GUAM (NNS) -- U.S. 7th Fleet and the Navy Warfare Development Command (NWDC) tested how radar-absorbing, carbon-fiber clouds can prevent a missile from detecting and striking its target, June 21-25.
The Navy tested these manmade clouds, called maritime obscurant generator prototypes, to assess their tactical effectiveness for anti-ship missile defense.
The systems and tactics were tested under a variety of at-sea conditions using assets from the U.S. Army, Navy, and Air Force to evaluate how the radar-absorbing, carbon-fiber clouds can protect naval assets as part of a layered defense.
Adm. Robert L. Thomas Jr., commander U.S. 7th Fleet, kicked off the multi-ship experiment in Guam.
"Pandarra Fog is example of the quick-turn integrated technical and tactical development the Fleet is doing to master electromagnetic maneuver warfare and assure access of joint forces," said Thomas.
"Pandarra Fog showed the value of quickly bringing together scientific and joint forces to tackle our hardest warfighting problems," said Antonio Siordia, U.S. 7th Fleet's science advisor. "This isn't just smoke or chaff, this is high tech obscurant which can be effective against an array of missile homing systems."
A shipboard device generated the carbon-fiber particles which were suspended in a cloud of smoke. These clouds can absorb or diffuse radar waves emanating from the seekers of incoming missiles and potentially obscure friendly ships from those missiles.
The experiment demonstrated how maritime obscurant generation can be a key enabler of offensive maneuver of the Fleet despite the global proliferation of anti-ship cruise and ballistic missiles.
"We are developing a layered approach using a full spectrum of active and passive capabilities to give us the advantage," said Capt. David Adams, who leads the 7th Fleet Warfighting Initiatives Group. "It is not just about the technology, but also practicing how the Fleet will employ these emerging capabilities."
"A defense in depth approach has a lot of advantages. Not only do we know the smoke is effective, it adds a level of uncertainty and unpredictability to the equation," said Adams.
In addition to having a significant level of effectiveness, the systems are relatively inexpensive when compared to other countermeasures and can be tactically employed through typical Fleet maneuvers. The materials are environmentally friendly and sized to maximize operational effectiveness.
"Our initial assessment is the testing was very successful in terms of tactical employment, usability and cost-effectiveness." said Adams.
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Ah, the Little Crappy Ship. It's a white elephant, but a million times better than what they originally tried to build – a glorified FAC-M known as "Streetfighter". The basic idea was to cram 8 AShMs into a 300-ton vessel capable of doing 60 knots. That's the equivalent of building a Sopwith Camel size aircraft capable of carrying a dozen BVR AAMs and flying at Mach 3.Karan M wrote:Everything that typifies the current dysfunctional state of the US MIC may be found in this one program.
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Navy’s $670 Million Fighting Ship Is ‘Not Expected to Be Survivable,’ Pentagon Says
Pretty much nothing works.
- these can dart close to shore at high speed, unleash 100s of shells in a few mins and dart back to cover again.Portals Sea Sea
Algeria orders two Kilo submarines from Russia
Written by defenceWeb, Friday, 27 June 2014
A Kilo class submarine.Algeria has ordered two Kilo class diesel electric submarines from Admiralty Shipyards in St Petersburg, Russia, with the contract currently underway. They will join the four already in Algeria’s fleet.
The ITAR-TASS news agency yesterday quoted Admiralty Shipyards director-general Alexandre Bouzakov as saying that "The date of the start of construction of two submarines to the foreign customer has been fixed, the contract is underway.”
The two Project 636 Varshavyanka (Kilo class) submarines will be delivered by 2018. The value of the contract may be more than $1.2 billion, according to Interfax.
Algeria already operates four Kilo class submarines. In June 2006 Rosoboronexport signed a contract with the Algerian Navy for the construction of two Project 636 Improved Kilo class submarines under a roughly US$400-600 million contract. Construction of the first submarine started in 2006 and the second began in 2007. They were handed over to the Algerian Navy in March and September 2010 where they joined two Project 877EKM Kilo diesel electric submarines, which Algeria received in 1987-1988. The latter two were upgraded by Russian shipyards.
The Project 636 Varshavyanka class is mainly intended for anti-shipping and anti-submarine operations in relatively shallow waters. The tear-drop hulled submarine is 72.6m long, 9.9m wide and can dive to 300 meters. The design has a displacement of 3 076 tons. Underwater, it reportedly has a speed of up to 25 knots. The complement is 52 and the submarine has an endurance of 45 days. The boat is fitted with six 533 mm torpedo tubes and carries up to 18 homing or wire-guided torpedoes, or 24 AM-1 mines.
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The outer hull is covered with sound damping tiles and its machinery as well as design is regarded as very quiet. Designed by the Rubin Central Maritime Design Bureau of St Petersburg, the submarine entered service in 1982. The type was originally built at the Komsomolsk shipyard and lately by the Admiralty Shipyard in St Petersburg. It is in service with the navies of Russia, China, Vietnam, Iran, India and Poland, among others. Some 50 have been built.
Algeria is in the process of expanding its navy in recent years as it faces problems such as smuggling, illegal migration and indigenous terrorism. In April 2012 it emerged that Algeria had signed a contract with the China Shipbuilding Trading Company for three light frigates, after ordering two Meko A200N frigates from Germany’s ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems in March 2012. The three light frigates will displace around 2 800 tons fully loaded, and will be powered by MTU diesel engines. Algeria has also ordered two new Tiger class corvettes from Russia. The Tiger corvette (Project 20382) is an export model of the Project 20380 Steregushchy class, which is the Russian Navy’s newest corvette class.
In January Italian shipyard Fincantieri launched the Algerian Navy’s Kalaat Beni-Abbes landing helicopter dock ship, which will be delivered to Algeria later this year. Algeria may order a second of the type.
It's expensive and it doesn't look like the other ships and it's a limited production model. And...well you know....it's expensive.what is wrong with the zumwalt?
So many things.Singha wrote:what is wrong with the zumwalt?
Wow...this was fantastic precision.Murugan wrote:Pilot lands fighter jet on a STOOL after front landing gear fails
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But, no one seems to claim that it is a bad design................................. More recently, there have been attempts to build stealthy vessels with radar-eluding hulls; but the only example to enter production, the DDG-1000 destroyer, proved so expensive the Navy cut the planned 32 ships to three.
In place of the cancelled stealth ships, the Navy restarted the production line for the VLS-equipped DDG-51 Arleigh Burkes. Like their predecessors, the CG-47 Ticonderoga cruisers, the DDG-51s are built around the Aegis system to defeat incoming air and missile attack. What determines their combat capability is not so much the hull, engine, and guns but the kinds of missiles loaded in the VLS tubes and the radar, computers, and software that direct them.
The testing is going to happen very sooner, but the zumwalt hull problems would already be well known in modelling and lab tests, yet they are building 3 of these massively expensive ships.
surely it cannot be as bad as you say...
That is the essence of the ship. If it works as planned it will be the base for future ships. As mentioned there has been quite a bit of risk reduction of the basic design and the fact that they have proceeded seems to give a sense of relative confidence in the basic overall design. Of course this will be verified shortly as the link above mentions. They are surely not writing off the design and its expected performance based on what others may think about it. Unless one has hard testing data from the studies that have happened till date based on which they marched on one cannot claim anything with any degree of certainty. There is a reason they go out and take the ship for testing in heavy weather.er, but the zumwalt hull problems would already be well known in modelling and lab tests, yet they are building 3 of these massively expensive ships.
surely it cannot be as bad as you say...
at least it would prove a few ideas like the PVLS, the AGS, the integrated back end for multiple front end radars, electric drive propulsion, lots of conformal antennas is confined spaces, effects of splashing heavy seas on low slung stealth hulls, operating rotary drones, automation......if they revert back to a more conventional DDG51 type design for the future I figure all these techs will be well proven and cost effective with less errors....simply take a normal type hull and stick the kernel of the zumwalt inside it.
The Navy cancelled it a few years ago, before changing their minds and deciding to buy three. They knew of the problems, but you underestimate the zeal of those pushing "new and improved", "disruptive" ideas and show down those "hide bound curmudgeons" just for the heck of it.Singha wrote:er, but the zumwalt hull problems would already be well known in modelling and lab tests, yet they are building 3 of these massively expensive ships.
surely it cannot be as bad as you say...
Yeah, it's bad. They knew about the hull problems. But they decided that this silver bullet named 'stealth' made everything worth it.http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/def ... ble-03203/These concerns have existed for a decade, but the US Navy continues to express confidence in the stealth-enhancing design based on their modeling and testing to date. A 1/20 scale, 30-foot scale model has been taken it up through Sea States 8-9 [hurricane-force seas and winds], based on the standard US Navy requirement for stability in ships is a 100-knot wind and using a model of 1969′s Category 5 Hurricane Camille. A 150-foot, 1/4 scale steel hull has also been built and tested for stability, and the arm’s-length US Naval Technical Authority has determined the Zumwalt’s design to be safe.
PACIFIC OCEAN (NNS) -- Guided-missile destroyer USS John Paul Jones (DDG 53) successfully conducted a series of five live-fire tests for the Baseline 9C Aegis Combat System during Combat Systems Ship's Qualification Trials (CSSQT) and Naval Integrated Fire Control Counter Air (NIFC-CA) capability, June 18-20.
Over the course of three days, the crew of John Paul Jones successfully engaged six targets off the coast of Southern California, firing a total of five missiles that included four Standard Missile-6 (SM-6) missiles and one Standard Missile-2 (SM-2) missile.
One of these exercises, designated as NIFC-CA AS-02A, resulted in the longest surface-to-air engagement in naval history.
During the underway period, John Paul Jones also conducted its first ballistic missile tracking exercise while simultaneously tracking two supersonic and two subsonic missile targets. This event fully demonstrated the capabilities of Aegis Baseline 9C and of John Paul Jones as the first Integrated Air and Missile Defense (IAMD) destroyer.
"It's a great step forward for the surface navy and our integrated war fighting capability," said Fire Controlman 1st Class (SW) Matthew Miller. "I'm proud, really proud, to be a fire controlman, and proud to be in the Navy."
These CSSQT successes are attributed to the hard work and dedication of each and every member of the John Paul Jones crew. The long road to these missile firings started in the BAE ship repair facility in San Diego during 2012 when the ship started combat systems modernization as part of the destroyer modernization program.
Over the course of a year, John Paul Jones received the latest commercial off-the-shelf computing infrastructure, SPY-1D transmitter upgrades, and a multi-mission signal processor which comprises the Aegis Baseline 9C suite.
Since then, the crew has worked diligently to ensure that the systems are not only operational, but that they will operate effectively for future ships.
"It is my honor to serve on such a fine warship and be able to sail with the men and women who tested and demonstrated this amazing capability," said Cmdr. Andrew Thomson, the ship's commanding officer. "From the concept development phase, through design, build, installation, and test many hard working Americans came together to field this capability. I consider myself lucky to be part of that amazing team."
Thomson said that with these tests, the crew of John Paul Jones has proven that they are ready to assume the role as the Navy's Integrated Air and Missile Defense test ship following a change of homeport to Pearl Harbor later this summer.
According to Thomson, CSSQT is just the beginning. In the coming years, John Paul Jones is expected to test newer and more advanced systems that will be used to defend the nation and U.S. and allied forces overseas.
Navy wants railguns for missile defenseA draft House bill envisions the Missile Defense Agency assuming management from the Navy of a project to develop an electromagnetic rail gun.
The House Armed Services Subcommittee on Strategic Forces in its mark-up of yearly defense authorization legislation noted the promise of the technology as a "more affordable air and missile defense" alternative, Inside Defense reported on Thursday.
The legislation includes a directive for the Missile Defense Agency to work with the Pentagon's Strategic Capabilities Office to draft a report by mid-November that details a testing strategy for determining the "suitability of this [electromagnetic rail gun] technology for transfer to MDA for further development activity."
The subcommittee said the Missile Defense Agency, with its special authority to speed along the acquisition process, was in a unique position to move forward the work done thus far by the Navy and the Strategic Capabilities Office.
The Missile Defense Agency has already singled out the rail gun as a "priority" technology in light of its possibilities as a comparatively reasonably priced antimissile technology for use against theater-level ballistic missile threats.
The rail gun is operated by an energy pulse instead of explosive fuel and is envisioned for use against a large number of targets, including cruise and ballistic missiles, and warships
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Defense News has reported that Greece will complete construction of three Type 214 diesel-electric submarines at Hellenic Shipyards, ending a decade-long dispute between Greece and Germany. In 2000, Greece signed a deal with Germany’s ThyssenKrupp for four 214 boats, but delivery of the first-in-class, Papanikolis, was delayed in 2006 when the Greek government refused to accept the boat.
The reason? Inspectors with Greece’s navy declared the submarine defective, with problems such as fuel cells overheating and excessive rolling in poor weather.
ThyssenKrupp countered that the assessment was actually a tactic to get a price reduction and away to the courts the aggrieved parties went.
Now there is an agreement – Greece will pay $102 million U.S. and the subs will be completed. Delivery of the first is expected this year, the other two in 2016.
Meanwhile, Jane’s is reporting that Algeria has signed a contract for the purchase of a further two Russian-built Kilo-class submarines, which will be expected for delivery in 2018. The boats will be built at the Admiralty Shipyards in St. Petersburg, Russia and will join four Kilo-class boats already in service with the Algerian Navy.
BERLIN/FRANKFURT (Reuters) - Germany's ThyssenKrupp said late on Sunday it had agreed to sell its submarine shipyard in the south of Sweden to Swedish defence firm Saab for 340 million Swedish crowns (29.63 million pounds).
Saab had confirmed on Thursday it was nearing an agreement after business daily Dagens Industri reported that it might soon announce such a deal, with a price tag well below 1 billion Swedish crowns.
Saab and ThyssenKrupp announced in April they were in talks on the sale of the unit after the German group failed to reach a deal with Sweden for a new generation of submarines.
"The acquisition is in line with Saab's ambitions to increase its capacity within the marine area and strengthen the company's position as a full supplier of military systems," Saab said in a statement.
The transaction is not expected to have a significant impact on 2014 results, the Swedish company added, noting that ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems will be integrated within Saab's Security and Defense Solutions division.
Sweden had been seeking ways to share development costs with other potential buyers of its A-26 submarine but failed to agree on commercial terms with ThyssenKrupp, which also builds submarines in a separate business in Germany.
Sweden's government asked Saab earlier this year to come up with a strategy to support Swedish submarine naval forces.
Defence analysts saw the move as opening the door for the Swedish company to build submarines instead.
ThyssenKrupp Marine employs around 1,000 staff in Sweden, mainly in the southern Swedish cities of Malmo and Karlskrona. The Marine Systems unit, which also makes naval ships, posted sales of 1.33 billion euros last year.
(Reporting by Maria Sheahan; Additional reporting by Andreas Cremer and Mia Shanley; Editing by Paul Simao)
The US Navy has awarded Northrop Grumman a $3.6 billion multiyear contract to provide 25 E-2D Advanced Hawkeye airborne early warning and control (AEW&C) system aircraft.
Announced on 30 June, the acquisition will bring the total number of USN E-2Ds on order to 50, out of a total requirement for 75 aircraft.
Thirteen production aircraft have been delivered to date, and initial operating capability is expected late in 2014.
The E-2D is a carrier-based AEW&C platform, which includes a rotating rotodome offering 360˚ surveillance and a four vertical stabiliser tail configuration.
“A multiyear procurement of these additional E-2Ds will take advantage of efficient, stable production lines at both Northrop Grumman and our suppliers, and will generate significant cost savings for taxpayers and the navy,” Bart LaGrone, vice-president of E-2/C-2 programmes at Northrop Grumman, says in a statement.
LaGrone adds that since the first delivery in 2007, every E-2D has been delivered on schedule and on budget. “It is this kind of proven program performance and partnership with our customer that results in a multiyear contract – validating that the E-2D Advanced Hawkeye is the right system at the right time for the right cost,” he says.
The E-2D was derived from earlier models of the AEW&C platform, with the current model including a more powerful APY-9 radar, as well as new avionics and a glass cockpit.
The VAW-125 squadron, based out of Norfolk, Virginia, is the first established E-2D squadron. It unit assigned to Carrier Air Wing 1, and operates from the USSTheodore Roosevelt.
They did try it out in the lab to a degree which has given them confidence to move ahead. If this basic design, architecture, conops is going to find its way into future designs, it has to be tried out on an operational scale, and the zumwalt is doing just that. Its not like these systems are going straight from the drawing board into a ship, the tech (radar, electric management, hull design) has been taken out of the so called lab through multiple R&D efforts.Singha wrote:next gen techs are always costly and need lot of maalish-palish to keep going. the days of old rugged kit are gone for sure.
while 1 or 2 existing DDG51 vessels could have been gutted to test the new techs piecemeal, stuff like that huge radar , elec systems and the AGS would need massive changes so probably not worth it to destroy a working ship for that. so choice between building new test ships or DDG1000 why not just build a few and get some real world exp on the hull as well. helps the local shipbuilding industry like bath iron works, maine.
By Tony Capaccio, Bloomberg News Bloomberg
11:20 p.m. CDT, July 9, 2014
WASHINGTON — The Navy's $23 billion Littoral Combat Ship is less able to survive an attack than other U.S. warships, according to the Pentagon's top weapons tester.
Revised standards adopted for the vessel intended to operate in shallow coastal waters "continue to accept the risk the crew would need to abandon ship under circumstances that would not necessitate that action" on other vessels, Michael Gilmore, the Defense Department's director of operational testing and evaluation, said in a letter to Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz.
Gilmore, rebutting the Navy's contention that he's misstating the ship's requirements, said they are "significantly different" from those for other ships that may face enemy forces. His stance adds to previous questions about the future of the vessel being built in two versions by Lockheed Martin and Austal.
Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel said in February that he was limiting purchases to 32 vessels, instead of the 52 originally planned, until the Navy developed alternatives for a more survivable ship. He has called for a more "capable and lethal" option that could include an upgraded Littoral Combat Ship or a different design. Recommendations from defense contractors are due by the end of this month.
About $12 billion has been appropriated by Congress so far for 20 vessels.
In addition to $23 billion to build the ships, the Navy would spend $7.2 billion to buy mission modules that are supposed to be swapped out for mine-hunting, surface warfare and anti-submarine missions.
Gilmore offered his observations about the Littoral Combat Ship's survivability in the June 26 letter to McCain, who is critical of the program. The senator sponsored a provision in this year's defense budget that mandated a Navy and test office report on the ship.
Gilmore also submitted a report dated June 26 outlining the ship's evolution and the status of its warfighting equipment.
The letter to McCain was intended to rebut material the Navy submitted to lawmakers on June 6. It said Gilmore's office "inaccurately defines LCS capabilities" and "mis- characterizes the requirements to which LCS was designed" and its capabilities.
The LCS, "for military and survivability features, was constructed in accordance with Navy specifications and standards comparable to all surface combatants," the service said.
Chief of Naval Operations Admiral Jonathan Greenert said in a June 6 letter transmitting the service's congressionally mandated report on the ship that its survivability depended on a "total-ship concept."
The design will allow the vessel to "continue to perform its primary mission, exit the battle area under its own power or conduct an orderly abandon ship," depending on circumstances, Greenert said.
"In short, LCS is a survivable ship," Greenert wrote Rep. Rodney Frelinghuysen, R-N.J., who heads the House Appropriations defense subcommittee. "Speed, maneuverability and modern weaponry aid LCS in avoiding a hit in the first place."
"If hit, LCS was designed to minimize vulnerability" and "with modern automated damage control systems" it will be able to "recover from causalities and withdraw to fight again," Greenert said.
The Navy also outlined the five-year record of equipment failures for the USS Freedom built by Bethesda, Maryland-based Lockheed and the USS Independence built by Henderson, Australia- based Austal. It said the number of reports for each ship "is on average consistent with other surface combatants in the fleet," the Navy said.
Gilmore wrote McCain that the Freedom and Independence were built to a standard for vessels such as patrol and logistics ships that are "not expected to be survivable in a hostile combat environment and are not intended to be employed in a manner that puts them in harm's way."
"Combatants have traditionally been required to meet much more stringent survivability criteria," Gilmore said.
The Littoral Combat Ship's 50-member crew -- an increase of 10 over the original manning concept -- "should be able to extinguish small fires and control minor damage" from a "minimally damaging weapons hit or collision but might not be able to restore full combat capability at sea," Gilmore said.
Even with its advanced firefighting capability "the crew will likely be unable to fight a major conflagration and would probably be forced to abandon ship," he said.
Three nuclear subs spotted near PLA Navy's Hainan base
Staff Reporter
2014-07-10
The three Type 094 Jin-class ballistic missile submarines stationed at Yulin naval base of Hainan island. (Internet photo)
The three Type 094 Jin-class ballistic missile submarines stationed at Yulin naval base of Hainan island. (Internet photo)
The People's Liberation Army Navy has deployed three nuclear-powered ballistic missile submarines to its South Sea Fleet base on the southern island province of Hainan, according to the Manila-based InterAksyon news website in a report published July 8.
The Chinese navy displayed a photo on the internet which suggested that three Type 094 Jin-class ballistic missile submarines are currently stationed at the Yulin naval base in Hainan, according to the report. The paper surmised that the three submarines are there to enhance the power projection of the Chinese navy in any potential conflict against Vietnam or the Philippines in the South China Sea.
This may indicate the launch of regular sea patrols by Chinese missile submarines in the South China Sea from Hainan, according to the Washington Free Beacon. Samuel Locklear, US Pacific Command chief, told the website China's submarine force is large and very capable. Locklear told the US House Armed Services Committee this March that the PLA Navy will likely have a credible sea-based nuclear deterrent by the end of 2014.
China also has two Type 056 Jiangdao-class guided missile corvettes stationed in Hainan. The vessels, equipped with surface-to-air and surface-to-surface missiles, as well as a 76mm main gun and two 30mm cannon will begin to patrol the disputed waters as well, posing a threat to the operations of the Vietnamese and Philippine navies in waters near the disputed Spratly Islands.
In an article written for the Washington-based military website, War on the Rock, Robert Haddick, an American military analyst said that the People's Liberation Army Navy's YJ-12 anti-ship cruise missile is the most dangerous threat to the US Navy in the Western Pacific.
On page 40 of the Military and Security Developments Involving the People’s Republic of China 2014 published by the Pentagon for congress indicated, this cruise missile provides an increased threat to naval assets, due to its long range and supersonic speeds. In addition, the YJ-12 is capable of being launched from PLA Navy Air Force's H-6 strategic bombers. Haddick said, therefore that the YJ-12 poses more of a risk that the DF-21 anti-ship ballistic missiles.
Citing a study conducted by the US Naval War College in 2011, Haddick said that the YJ-12 has a range of 400 kilometers. This makes the YJ-12 one of the world's longest-range anti-ship cruise missile. Haddick said that the range of the US Navy's Harpoon missile is only 124 kilometers. The extended range allows the PLA Navy's aircraft to launch the YJ-12 beyond the engagement range of the Navy's Aegis Combat System and the SM-2 surface-to-air missiles that protect US aircraft carrier strike groups.
The missile can be even more dangerous when they are deployed in Su-30 and J-11 fighters from the PLA Navy's two Flanker regiments. With a combat radius of 1,500 kilometers, the Chinese fighters can carry between two and four missiles into the battlefield. Haddick said that the US carrier strike group will have to defend itself against over a hundred supersonic ASCMs approaching from several directions at a wave-top height, allowing the group's close-in air defenses less than 45 seconds to respond.
The idea was that automation would enable fewer sailors to operate the $400-million LCS for all these missions. This saves on manpower costs as well as on precious shipboard space for crew accommodations.
But a new Government Accountability Office report proves what any Burger King worker already knows—cutting your workforce by 80 percent without also decreasing its workload … isn’t always a great idea.
When the GAO studied USS Freedom’s recent 10-month deployment to Singapore, the auditors found that crews worked too hard. “Freedom crews averaged about six hours of sleep per day compared to the Navy standard of eight hours,” the GAO stated.
“Some key departments, such as engineering and operations, averaged even fewer.”
And this happened despite the Navy temporarily adding 10 extra sailors to the crew and sending contractors aboard.
