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Gerard wrote:US Coast Guard's newest ship filled with holes
What is 418-feet long, costs millions to build and can move a crew of 110 men across the ocean at a speed of 28 knots? Until last month, the answer was the US Coast Guard’s newest security cutter, the Stratton.

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How do you fill something with holes?
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Nuclear sub on fire at Portsmouth shipyard!

http://www.seacoastonline.com/articles/ ... -120529865
Nuclear sub catches fire at Portsmouth Naval Shipyard

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Smoke rises from a Portsmouth Naval Shipyard dry dock Wednesday night.Elizabeth Dinan photo
By Joey Cresta
jcresta@seacoastonline.com
May 23, 2012

KITTERY, Maine — Multiple firefighters were injured while battling a fire aboard the USS Miami nuclear-powered attack submarine Wednesday evening at the Portsmouth Naval Shipyard, according to a shipyard and public safety officials.

Firefighters were initially called to the Shipyard just before 6 p.m. for a report of a fire on a ship in dry dock. Fire crews encountered heavy smoke and fire, and two firefighters were taken from the scene with injuries, the officials said, adding two more firefighters were later taken from the scene for treatment.

Shipyard public affairs specialist Gary Hildreth said the fire is located in the forward compartment of the ship and all nonessential personnel were ordered to evacuate.

The submarine's reactor was not operating at the time the fire started and was not affected by the blaze, shipyard spokeswoman Bridget Church said.

Church said state, local and federal authorities have been alerted to the situation. She could not say just before 9 p.m. whether the fire was still burning.

One of the injured firefighters was treated and released at the shipyard, officials said. The other three injured firefighters were taken to a local medical facility, and all three were treated and released, officials said.

Kittery Police Chief Paul Callaghan said the Police Department has not received any requests from the shipyard to evacuate residents living in the area. He said the fire aboard the USS Miami is not posing a danger to the general public.

Callaghan said Kittery firefighters are on standby at the shipyard's fire station.

The USS Miami (SSN 755) and her crew of 13 officers and 120 enlisted personnel arrived at the Navy Yard on March 1 to undergo maintenance work and system upgrades.

It is the third vessel named for the city of Miami and the fifth so-called improved Los Angeles-class nuclear-powered submarine, according to the Navy. The Miami was commissioned June 30, 1990, and its home port is Groton, Conn.

The submarine's commanding officer is Commander Roger E. Meyer, who assumed command on Sept. 20, 2010. The Miami's host community is Sanford.

As of 7:30 p.m., black smoke visible from Prescott Park in Portsmouth, N.H., continued to billow from the dry dock. A Portsmouth fire truck was on standby at Peirce Island.

Material from The Associated Press was used in this report.
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Contracts for 5 upgraded Borei submarines signed
MOSCOW, May 28 (Itar-Tass) —— The Russian Defence Ministry has signed contracts with Sevmash and Rubin for five Project 955A upgraded Borei A submarines, United Shipbuilding Corporation (USC) spokesman Alexei Kravchenko said on Monday, May 28.

Two contracts have been signed under the state defence order for 2012: one with the Sevmash shipyard to build five serial upgraded Borei class submarines and with the Rubin Central Design Bureau for Marine Engineering for R&D for these submarines.

Borei-class submarines are designed by Rubin. They are armed with Bulava ICBMs. The submarines are 170 metres long, 13.5 metres wide, their collapse depth 450 metres and they have a crew 107 sailors.

According to USC President Roman Trotsenko, “This event [the signing of the contracts] is important for all domestic shipbuilders and workers of more than a thousand enterprises involved in the cooperation... as a result of the talks a compromise was reached and a mutually acceptable pricing formula was agreed to, which makes it possible to ensure the implementation of important contracts for national defence capability and to keep the shipbuilding industry busy until 2020.”

According to the Navy’s Main Staff, serial Project 955A Borei-class submarines will carry 20, not 16, Bulava ICBMs starting from the fourth submarine Svyatitel Nikolai.

Borei-class submarines are designed by the St. Petersburg-based Naval Design Bureau Rubin. Each submarine can be armed with 12 ICBMs with MIRVs. They will also have an escape capsule for all crewmembers. A Borei-class submarine is 170 metres long and 13.5 meters wide, it can sink to a depth of 450 metres and has a crew of 17 sailors.

The Borei claims to be a state-of-the-art submarine, featuring characteristics superior to any submarine currently in service, such as the ability to cruise silently and be less detectable to sonar. Advances include a compact and integrated hydrodynamically efficient hull for reduced broadband noise and the first ever use of pump-jet propulsion on a Russian nuclear submarine.

The submarine will be armed with Bulava missiles. The Bulava carries the NATO reporting name SS-NX-30 and has been assigned the GRAU index 3M30. In international treaties, the common designation RSM-56 is used.

The first Borei-class nuclear-powered submarine Yury Dolgoruky will join the Navy in the summer of 2012.

The Yuri Dolgoruky was the first strategic missile submarine to be launched in seventeen years since the end of the Soviet era. It was the first Russian (rather than Soviet) vessel. Currently, there are two more Borei class submarines under construction, named Alexander Nevsky and Vladimir Monomakh. The planned contingent of twelve strategic submarines is expected to be commissioned within the next decade (five “Project 955” are planned for purchase until 2015).

The Defence Ministry said earlier that it planned to build at least eight new Borei-class submarines that should become the main naval component core of Russia's strategic nuclear forces.
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Stealth destroyer, at over $3 billion apiece, is US Navy’s latest answer to rising China
SINGAPORE — A super-stealthy warship that could underpin the U.S. navy’s China strategy will be able to sneak up on coastlines virtually undetected and pound targets with electromagnetic “railguns” right out of a sci-fi movie.

But at more than $3 billion a pop, critics say the new DDG-1000 destroyer sucks away funds that could be better used to bolster a thinly stretched conventional fleet. One outspoken admiral in China has scoffed that all it would take to sink the high-tech American ship is an armada of explosive-laden fishing boats.
The DDG-1000 and other stealth destroyers of the Zumwalt class feature a wave-piercing hull that leaves almost no wake, electric drive propulsion and advanced sonar and missiles. They are longer and heavier than existing destroyers — but will have half the crew because of automated systems and appear to be little more than a small fishing boat on enemy radar.

Down the road, the ship is to be equipped with an electromagnetic railgun, which uses a magnetic field and electric current to fire a projectile at several times the speed of sound.

But cost overruns and technical delays have left many defense experts wondering if the whole endeavor was too focused on futuristic technologies for its own good.

They point to the problem-ridden F-22 stealth jet fighter, which was hailed as the most advanced fighter ever built but was cut short because of prohibitive costs. Its successor, the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, has swelled up into the most expensive procurement program in Defense Department history.

“Whether the Navy can afford to buy many DDG-1000s must be balanced against the need for over 300 surface ships to fulfill the various missions that confront it,” said Dean Cheng, a China expert with the Heritage Foundation, a conservative research institute in Washington. “Buying hyperexpensive ships hurts that ability, but buying ships that can’t do the job, or worse can’t survive in the face of the enemy, is even more irresponsible.”
But the destroyers’ $3.1 billion price tag, which is about twice the cost of the current destroyers and balloons to $7 billion each when research and development is added in, nearly sank it in Congress. Though the Navy originally wanted 32 of them, that was cut to 24, then seven.

Now, just three are in the works.

“Costs spiraled — surprise, surprise — and the program basically fell in on itself,” said Richard Bitzinger, a security expert at Singapore’s Nanyang Technological University.
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3 is a token number. they will never participate in any real action. a evolutionary dead end.
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Israel arming its German subs with N-tipped missiles.What we on BR have been saying for years,its now semi-official.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503543_162- ... uilt-subs/

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une 4, 2012

Report: Israel fitting nuclear missiles on German-built subs

In this May 5, 2008 file picture a Dolphin-class Israeli submarine and missile ships sail down the coast during a military demonstration in Tel Aviv. Dolphin-class submarines are capable of carrying nuclear-tipped missiles.
(Credit: AP Photo/TARA TODRAS-WHITEHILL)

(CBS News) Israel is arming submarines ordered from a German shipbuilder with nuclear weapons, the German news magazine Der Spiegel reported Monday.

According to the magazine's Spiegel's investigative report, submarines built by the shipyard HDW in the northern German city of Kiel are being outfitted by Israel with nuclear-tipped cruise missiles.

Three submarines have been delivered to Israel, with three more under contract for delivery by 2017, and the purchase of more being considered.

Despite official government statements in the past disavowing knowledge of Israel's deployment of nuclear weapons on the submarines, former high-ranking officials from Germany's Defense Ministry have told the magazine that they had always assumed Israel would outfit the submarines with nuclear defense capabilities.

Israel Deploys Nuclear Weapons on German-Built Submarines (Der Spiegel: English)

Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak told Der Spiegel that Germans should be "proud" that through these defense measures they have helped ensure the preservation of the state of Israel "for many years."

Israeli does not comment officially on its nuclear military program.

The German government had helped underwrite the sale of the first three submarines delivered - subsidizing half the cost of one and the entire cost of two others.

Berlin is financing one-third of the cost of the sixth submarine, or about 135 million euros ($168 million). Chancellor Angela Merkel has placed conditions on delivery, however, including that Tel Aviv allow the completion of a Gaza Strip sewage treatment plant (partly financed with German funds) and end the expansion of settlements. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has met none of the terms.

Steffen Seibert, a spokesperson for Merkel, told Der Spiegel that all submarines had been delivered unarmed, and that the government "will not speculate on subsequent arming."

Israeli Foreign Ministry spokesman Yigal Palmor told Agence France-Presse, "I can confirm that we have German submarines. It's no secret. As for the rest, I am not in a position to talk about their capacity."
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^^ Is it not the case that Israel Submarine had tested long range cruise missile from submarine in co-ordination with IN in Indian ocean region few years back .....it was in the news then.

Probably Iran too would arm their Kilos with SLCM N-tipped some day
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US Navy hopes super-stealth ship answers a rising China
A super-stealthy warship that could underpin the US Navy's China strategy will be able to sneak up on coastlines virtually undetected and pound targets with electromagnetic "railguns" right out of a sci-fi movie.

But at more than $US3 billion a pop, critics say the new DDG-1000 destroyer sucks away funds that could be better used to bolster a thinly stretched conventional fleet. One outspoken admiral in China has scoffed that all it would take to sink the high-tech American ship is an armada of explosive-laden fishing boats.
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A super-stealthy warship that could underpin the US Navy's China strategy will be able to sneak up on coastlines virtually undetected and pound targets with electromagnetic "railguns" right out of a sci-fi movie.

^ :rotfl:
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Philip wrote:Falkland Islands: Britain 'would lose' if Argentina decides to invade now
Rear-Admiral Sir John Forster Woodward - who in 1982 gave the order to sink the General Belgrano - regrets not making more of how the Falklands war was won.


...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... e-now.html

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IMO, it would be difficult for the Argentinians to capture the Falklands now. Check out the British defenses deployed to the Falkland Islands.
[*]1,200 x troops - British Army regiment w/ air-defenses
[*]1 x FFG/DDG
[*]1 x SSN
[*]4 x EF Typhoons w/ 1 x AAR
[*]2 x Sea Kings + 1 x C-130
Together with 6+ C-17s from the mainland, the British forces should be able to quickly reinforce the garrison on Falklands. Another 12 x Typhoons would take care of any Argentinian air threat, and 4-5 more SSNs would take care of Argentinian navy.
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perhaps unique H-shaped horizontal fin in tail. very smooth piece of work by DCN.
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Future of fire-hit nuclear sub uncertain
The 360-foot USS Miami burned May 24. At least seven people, two crew members and five firefighters, suffered minor injuries in the fire on the sub while it was in dry dock at Portsmouth Naval Shipyard in Kittery, Maine.

The Navy said the fire apparently started in a vacuum cleaner on the boat to clean areas where repairs were being done.

Navy officials issued the preliminary cost estimate of $400 million to repair the nuclear submarine -- if it can be fixed at all, the Maine newspaper said.
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The French like their curves. :twisted:
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srai wrote:It looks like a bigger version of the Scorpene SSK.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-GThSYOwrWTk/T ... marine.jpg
The french have mentioned that technology from Le Triomphant submarines have been incorporated into Scorpene project.
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Interesting historical oddity.

The Royal Navy in WWII operated a number of Brogue class escort carriers built in Washington and acquired from the Americans under lend-lease. In British service they were known as the 'Ameer Class' and a good number of them had rather Indian names despite not serving in the RIN.

This is what I've come across so far;

HMS Ameer (D01), HMS Ranee (D03), HMS Rajah (D10), HMS Shah (D21), HMS Begum (D38), HMS Thane (D48), HMS Nabob (D77).

Several of them were assigned to the East Indies Fleet based at Trincomalee, but others served in the North Atlantic and Pacific theatres as well.

At the end of the war they were all returned to the Americans.

I came across the Ameer when reading about a much bigger oddity - the Battle of Ramree Island in February 1945 during the Burma Campaign's push down the Arakan coast. The story goes that Japanese forces attempting to retreat across mangrove swamps were effectively surrounded and cut off in the swamp by the RN, RAF, Royal Marines and the 36th Indian Infantry Brigade.

Paragraph no. 32 on pages 2583-84 here hints at it, but its alleged to be the greatest loss of life to crocodiles, *ever* - there have been (disputed) claims that as many as 400 Japanese troops were eaten alive by the enormous salt water crocs (Crocodylus porosus) of the area. The sounds at night of men screaming and dying were said to be the worst because thats when the giant crocs hunted. Definitely one of the weirder stories out of the war - and it makes you wonder about Freddie Chapman's claim in his behind the lines survival classic that "The Jungle is Neutral".
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Great CGI video of the FREMM class:

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How close they can be in terms of accidental damages during high surface currents?
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no issues at all. Khan does it all the time for psyops if not operational use.

in a head on heavy seas, I read somewhere the CVNs flex upto 3 feet in the middle. but chocks and stuff keeps the planes secure.
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The aircraft are lashed fast to the deck with chains. You can see them in the above picture as well -- see the nose gear of 502 in the foreground.
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thats why some of us hate the smallest/lightest/most minimal/humble yindu design paradigm.

the MTA is our best bet in ER + internal bomb bay version to be the "delivery truck". Rus has ample exp with internal bays and rotary launchers and from day1, such a version should be planned and budgeted for. if nothing else it will function as a good platform for Nirbhay and Brahmos-A to start with, followed by future weapons.

nothing like MTA showing up one fine morning and unleashing 20 x 1000lb GLONASS guided JDAMs onto a bunch of paki/cheen occupied bunkers something that will need 10 jaguars to do - cheaper, low footprint, less hassles....just provide the air cover as needed.

will also be a powerful standoff jammer with additional underwing wind turbines installed for electrical power.

IAF needs to think outside the box else it will never get dedicated bombers of the B1 or Tu160 variety because [a] they are not available very costly.
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X Posted.

Guardian article on the P.R. Chinese frigate grounding itself while in the act of intimidating the Philippines questions the quality of seamanship of the PLAN:
Rory Medcalf, director of the international security programme at the Lowy Institute, said it was surprising to see the Chinese using naval vessels to patrol the disputed area.

"This raises lots of questions … They have been relying primarily on civilian forces," he said. "That does mean sooner or later we will see confrontational incidents involving naval vessels rather than civilian agencies.

"Secondly, it raises concerns about the quality of seamanship. If this had been a near-run with a ship from another country, it could have ended badly, with political implications."
From here:

Chinese frigate runs aground in disputed part of South China Sea
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U.S. has great difficulty tracking Iranian submarines: retired U.S. Navy commander
http://tehrantimes.com/politics/99572-u ... -commander
TEHRAN - The Christian Science Monitor on Thursday quoted retired U.S. Navy Commander Christopher Harmer as saying that the United States has great difficulty tracking Iranian mini-submarines.

Iranian mini-submarines are “a huge problem for us,” said Harmer, who served as the director of Future Operations for the U.S. Navy Fifth Fleet in Bahrain from 2008 to 2009.

Any submarine weighing less than 500 tons is generally regarded as a mini-submarine.

“They are a threat to us because they can disperse them throughout the Persian Gulf and the Arabian Sea, and it’s extremely difficult for us to track them,” he stated, adding that as a result, they can lay “in wait to execute an ambush.”

The U.S. Navy is more accustomed to tracking large, Soviet-era nuclear-class submarines, something Iran knows well, Harmer added.

He stated, “Looking for small subs in shallow water is much more difficult, because the acoustics are so much more difficult -- smaller makes less noise.”

As a result, he added, the Iranian military “has prioritized these mini-subs and (has) gone into overdrive building them.”

Five years ago, Iran had “no mini-subs,” said Harmer, who is currently a senior naval analyst at the Institute for the Study of War in Washington, adding that now Iran has 19 in service and is building an average of four per year, which is a “strategically significant” force.

Iran also has “significant special operations capability,” including “extensively” trained frogmen, Harmer stated.

According to U.S. military officials, while the diesel-electric powered Iranian mini-submarines have limited range, they have torpedo tubes and can quickly lay mines.
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the avg depth of south china sea is said to be 75m. its likely anyone desiring to lay waste targets in south china will need to keep clear of this area and release SLCMs from blue water only. its certainly not a good area for submarine activity.
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Johann wrote: ... The Royal Navy in WWII operated a number of Brogue class escort carriers ... and a good number of them had rather Indian names despite not serving in the RIN.

This is what I've come across so far;

HMS Ameer (D01), HMS Ranee (D03), HMS Rajah (D10), HMS Shah (D21), HMS Begum (D38), HMS Thane (D48), HMS Nabob (D77).
Hi Johann:

Interesting, thanks for posting.

I don't often visit this thread, so didn't immediatetely see this post from you. But in return, if of interest, I found some time ago that a number of very distinctly Indian names of current Indian Navy shore establishments, names that I had always assumed were post-Independence, date back in fact to pre-Independence times.

Among pre-Independence RIN establishments with distinctly Indian names were the following:
  • HMIS Akbar, at the time a New Entries' Training Establishment at Bombay;
    HMIS Bahadur, at the time a Boys' Training Establishment at Karachi;
    HMIS Chamak, at the time a Radar School at Karachi (The name was re-used post-Independence by INS Chamak, an Osa-class missile boat, now on display at the National Defence Academy);
    HMIS Hamla, at the time a Landing Craft depot at Bombay (Still in existence as INS Hamla, still at Bombay, now a Logistics Training Establishment. The word means "Attack" - an influence over the naming of the Australian Attack class vessels?);
    HMIS Machlimar, at the time an Anti-Submarine School at Bombay;
    HMIS Shivaji, at the time a Mechanical Training Establishment at Lonavla (Still in existence as INS Shivaji, still at Lonavla, and still a major Engineering Training establishment);
    HMIS Talwar, at the time a Signals School at Bombay (The name is still in existence as INS Talwar, though the modern INS Talwar is a sea-going ship - lead ship of her class);
    HMIS Valsura, at the time a Torpedo School at Jamnagar (Still in existence as INS Valsura, still at Jamnagar, now the premiere Electrical Training establishment of the IN)
Of course, the RIN would always have been more likely to look for Indian names than the RN itself, but I still found it interesting how distinctly Indian the names of so many of their establishments were.
Johann wrote: ... The story goes that Japanese forces attempting to retreat across mangrove swamps were effectively surrounded and cut off in the swamp by the RN, RAF, Royal Marines and the 36th Indian Infantry Brigade.

... its alleged to be the greatest loss of life to crocodiles, *ever* - there have been (disputed) claims that as many as 400 Japanese troops ... were eaten alive by the enormous salt water crocs ...
That crocodile massacre legend is, as you say, disputed by some :)

Rgds

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The glorious scuttlebutts of OZ!

http://www.smh.com.au/act-news/blogs/in ... 22qgp.html
A ``minor flood'' in one of our submarines says Defence
Date
July 25, 2012 - 6:40PM

The following is just to hand from the Department of Defence.
I post same with one question. Is there such a thing as a ``minor flood'' in a submarine?

On Wednesday 25 July (Australian Eastern Standard Time), while participating in Exercise RIMPAC, HMAS Farncomb suffered a minor flood in one of the submarine's machinery spaces.

At the time of the incident, the submarine was at periscope depth operating its diesel engines to charge the battery.

Standard pre-planned procedures were immediately executed and the situation was dealt with quickly.

The submarine surfaced as part of this normal response. The incident has been traced to a split in a hose on the submarine's weight compensation system.

No personnel were injured and Farncomb is currently returning to Pearl Harbour in Hawaii to replace the hose. An investigation is yet to commence.

There are number of hoses fitted to systems in the Collins class submarine that use the supply of sea water as part of their operation. Weight compensation is one such system, moving water in and out of the submarine to maintain neutral
buoyancy.

Following the failure of a sea water cooling hose in HMAS Dechaineux in 2003, there were immediate changes made to procedures and the development of equipment changes commenced.

One of these changes was automation of the closure of all hull valves should a
similar situation arise. This change has been installed in HMAS Farncomb.

Farncomb is currently on a 13000 nautical mile, five month deployment having departed her home base in Western Australia in May of this year.

The submarine has spent the last 15 days at sea participating in Exercise RIMPAC, which has included the recent successful firing of a Mk 48 torpedo to sink the 12,106 tonne former USNS Kilauea.

Read more: http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-new ... z21i0IEt2a
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Some news about Mistral class (I assume) in Russian. I am unable to translate. Help!
http://news.mail.ru/politics/9712682/?frommail=1
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siddharth wrote:Some news about Mistral class (I assume) in Russian. I am unable to translate. Help!
http://news.mail.ru/politics/9712682/?frommail=1
The article talks about force accretion in Russian Navy, interesting, new carriers are to be built after 2020. You can use Google translate for that article, will be helpful.
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Interesting Development

Russia is negotiating the basing of the Navy in Cuba, the Seychelles and Vietnam
"Indeed, we continue to work to ensure deployment of naval forces outside the Russian Federation. As part of this work at the international level, working on the creation of items of logistics in Cuba, the Seychelles and Vietnam," - said Chirkov.
Vietnam is ready to give Russia the port of Cam Ranh to create E & P
MOSCOW, July 27 - RIA Novosti. Vietnam is ready to give Russia the opportunity to create a point of logistics (E & P) at the port of Cam Ranh, but does not intend to transfer to foreign countries its territory for military bases, said the radio station "Voice of Russia" the President of Vietnam Truong Tan Sang.
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their surface vessels are woefully insufficient and outdated. other than a couple corvettes, their principal combatants are all elderly 70s and 80s era crates...no AAW other than the sole kirov. a well equipped navy like japan would crush them in a surface engagement.

and how many of the listed subs are really in service and maintaining high patrol tempos would be debatable.
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