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Qatar to buy 24 AH-64D Apaches for an estimated $3 billion. Gives us some idea of how much the 22 AH-64Ds for the IAF should cost..

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The Defense Security Cooperation Agency notified Congress July 10 of a possible Foreign Military Sale to the Government of Qatar for 24 AH-64D APACHE Block III LONGBOW Attack Helicopters and associated equipment, parts, training and logistical support for an estimated cost of $3.0 billion.

The Government of Qatar has requested a possible sale of 24 AH-64D APACHE Block III LONGBOW Attack Helicopters, 56 T700-GE-701D Engines, 27 AN/ASQ-170 Modernized Target Acquisition and Designation Sight, 27 AN/AAR-11 Modernized Pilot Night Vision Sensors, 12 AN/APG-78 Fire Control Radars (FCR) with Radar Electronics Unit (LONGBOW component), 12 AN/APR-48A Radar Frequency Interferometers, 28 AN/AAR-57(V)7 Common Missile Warning Systems, 30 AN/AVR-2B Laser Detecting Sets, 28 AN/APR-
39A(V)4 Radar Signal Detecting Sets, 28 AN/ALQ-136(V)5 Radar Jammers or Equivalent, 160 Integrated Helmet and Display Sight Systems-21, 58 Embedded Global Positioning Systems with Inertial Navigation, 30 30mm Automatic Chain Guns, 8 Aircraft Ground Power Units, 52 AN/AVS-6 Night Vision Goggles, 60 M299A1 HELLFIRE Missile Launchers, 576 AGM-114R HELLFIRE II Missiles, 295 FIM-92H STINGER Reprogrammable Micro Processor (RMP) Block I Missiles, 50 STINGER Air-to-Air Launchers, 4092 2.75 in Hydra Rockets, and 90 APACHE Aviator Integrated Helmets. Also included are M206 infrared countermeasure flares, M211 and M212 Advanced Infrared Countermeasure Munitions (AIRCM) flares, training devices, helmets, simulators, generators, transportation, wheeled vehicles and organization equipment, spare and repair parts, support equipment, tools and test equipment, technical data and publications, personnel training and training equipment, U.S. government and contractor engineering, technical, and logistics support services, and other related elements of logistics support. The estimated cost is $3.00 billion.
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Kartik wrote:Qatar to buy 24 AH-64D Apaches for an estimated $3 billion. Gives us some idea of how much the 22 AH-64Ds for the IAF should cost..

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The Defense Security Cooperation Agency notified Congress July 10 of a possible Foreign Military Sale to the Government of Qatar for 24 AH-64D APACHE Block III LONGBOW Attack Helicopters and associated equipment, parts, training and logistical support for an estimated cost of $3.0 billion.

The Government of Qatar has requested a possible sale of 24 AH-64D APACHE Block III LONGBOW Attack Helicopters, 56 T700-GE-701D Engines, 27 AN/ASQ-170 Modernized Target Acquisition and Designation Sight, 27 AN/AAR-11 Modernized Pilot Night Vision Sensors, 12 AN/APG-78 Fire Control Radars (FCR) with Radar Electronics Unit (LONGBOW component), 12 AN/APR-48A Radar Frequency Interferometers, 28 AN/AAR-57(V)7 Common Missile Warning Systems, 30 AN/AVR-2B Laser Detecting Sets, 28 AN/APR-
39A(V)4 Radar Signal Detecting Sets, 28 AN/ALQ-136(V)5 Radar Jammers or Equivalent, 160 Integrated Helmet and Display Sight Systems-21, 58 Embedded Global Positioning Systems with Inertial Navigation, 30 30mm Automatic Chain Guns, 8 Aircraft Ground Power Units, 52 AN/AVS-6 Night Vision Goggles, 60 M299A1 HELLFIRE Missile Launchers, 576 AGM-114R HELLFIRE II Missiles, 295 FIM-92H STINGER Reprogrammable Micro Processor (RMP) Block I Missiles, 50 STINGER Air-to-Air Launchers, 4092 2.75 in Hydra Rockets, and 90 APACHE Aviator Integrated Helmets. Also included are M206 infrared countermeasure flares, M211 and M212 Advanced Infrared Countermeasure Munitions (AIRCM) flares, training devices, helmets, simulators, generators, transportation, wheeled vehicles and organization equipment, spare and repair parts, support equipment, tools and test equipment, technical data and publications, personnel training and training equipment, U.S. government and contractor engineering, technical, and logistics support services, and other related elements of logistics support. The estimated cost is $3.00 billion.
US is also installing a radar base in Qatar.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeas ... 99430.html
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http://www.thehindu.com/news/internatio ... 650260.ece

The DRDO is also developing one of these reusable missiles (unmanned) , though this one seems to be manned.
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Yak-130 to be developed further into a light attack variant.

Aviation Week article
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Israel orders 30 Alenia Aermacchi M-346 Master AJTs.

Israel orders 30 M-346 jet trainers
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Thanks Andy for all those article , Can you fix the PAK-FA link.
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thanks andy b, that was awesome.. interesting read .. did you post the same documents sometime back?
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SaiK wrote:thanks andy b, that was awesome.. interesting read .. did you post the same documents sometime back?
kya Saik-osis :mrgreen: joo think I am a used car sales man or what hain ji.

I bring 400% fresh maal onlee.

Its just that there are multiple articles written on these platforms and I try to get abduls most of em hence some duplicity.

P.S not sure why that Pak Fa link wasnt working I will fix it up in the next few hours. Its been a pain to upload these since ifile.it doesnt do it need to find a more stable upload site with less pain in the mushraff.
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http://www.belac.com/products/

came across this company while random googling. They specialize in making high pressure turbine blades for civil jet engines as a cost effective replacement for OEM parts from P&w,cfm etc with FAA certification.

Maybe making entire jet engines must be a very complex process involving a lot of trial and error , so these guys stopped at making HPT parts only.

Added later....
BELAC employs a unique "re-engineering" design approach, fully utilizing state-of-the-art techniques to duplicate and improve upon high-cost repair parts for the aerospace industry.
ok got it now..these guys only reverse engineer and manufacture parts which require the most replacement.
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F-22 Fighter Loses $79 Billion Advantage in Dogfights: Report
The United States has spent nearly $80 billion to develop the most advanced stealth fighter jet in history, the F-22 Raptor, but the Air Force recently found out firsthand that while the planes own the skies at modern long-range air combat, it is "evenly matched" with cheaper, foreign jets when it comes to old-school dogfighting.

The F-22 made its debut at the international Red Flag Alaska training exercise this June where the planes "cleared the skies of simulated enemy forces and provided security for Australian, German, Japanese, Polish and [NATO] aircraft," according to an after-action public report by the Air Force. The F-22 took part in the exercise while under strict flying restrictions imposed by Defense Secretary Leon Panetta in light of mysterious, potentially deadly oxygen problems with the planes - problems that the Pentagon believes it has since solved.

The Air Force said the planes flew 80 missions during the event "with a very high mission success rate." However, a new report from Combat Aircraft Monthly revealed that in a handful of missions designed to test the F-22 in a very specific situation - close-range, one-on-one combat - the jet appeared to lose its pricey advantages over a friendly rival, the Eurofighter Typhoon, flown in this case by German airmen.

"We expected to perform less with the Eurofighter but we didn't," German air officer Marc Grune said, according to Combat Aircraft Monthly. "We were evenly matched. They didn't expect us to turn so aggressively."

Two other German officers, Col. Andreas Pfeiffer and Maj. Marco Gumbrecht, noted in the same report that the F-22's capabilities are "overwhelming" when it comes to modern, long-range combat as the stealth fighter is designed to engage multiple enemies well-beyond the pilot's natural field of vision - mostly while the F-22 is still out of the other plane's range. Grumbrecht said that even if his planes did everything right, they weren't able to get within 20 miles of the next-generation jets before being targeted.

"But as soon as you get to the merge…" Pfeiffer said, referring to the point at which fighters engage in close-up dog fighting, "in that area, at least, the Typhoon doesn't necessarily have to fear the F-22 in all aspects… In the dogfight the Eurofighter is at least as capable as the F-22, with advantages in some aspects."

In response to the report, a spokesperson for the Air Force, Lt. Col. Tadd Sholtis, told ABC News that one-on-one combat is only one way to evaluate an aircraft's capabilities and said it's not "necessarily the most relevant to every scenario."

"The F-22 is conceived and employed as part of an integrated force that provides offensive capabilities that make close engagements far less likely while retaining the ability to handle close engagements in tandem with other fighters," he said.

Air Force Gen. John Jumper, one of the few airmen to have flown both aircraft, said in 2005 that it is difficult to compare the F-22 and the Eurofighter.

"They are different kinds of airplanes to start with," he said, according to an Air Force Print News report. "It's like asking us to compare a NASCAR car with a Formula 1 car. They are both exciting in different ways, but they are designed for different levels of performance."

The F-22 "can maneuver with the best of them if it has to, but what you want to be able to do is get into contested airspace no matter where it is," Jumper said, referring to the F-22's stealth and supercruise capabilities that are meant to allow the plane to sneak in to hostile territory undetected - an ability the non-stealth Eurofighter lacks.
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The General is correct. For one reason or another or just plain strategy, the US finds itself consistently fighting over hostile territory. That in effect means the US Air Force and/or the US Navy fighter jets are consistently subject to triple A, anti-aircraft missiles and enemy fighter jets. Given the circumstances, I would choose the F-22. The Navy wants the F-35. Are either one of those jets the best dog fighter in the world? We simply don't know right now. But due to the limitations posed by the objective of stealth, low IR signature, etc., I would make a semi educated guess and say no, the F-22 and F-35 may not be the absolute best dog fighter in the world. How to counter that? Well, hopefully we will give them the best avionics and weapon systems that we can provide. In the end analysis what the US wants is to have a fighter over hostile territory with the best suvivability, avionics and weapon systems that we can provide. God will have to sort out the dog fighting.

Not to mention the fact that manned jet fighters for the US are going to become an increasingly rare phenomonon(sp?) as the drones take over the ground attack/strike function.
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^^^

In a WVR dogfight, smaller fighter that is capable of +9G/-3G (typical human limit), good TW ratio, and off-boresight HMD/AAM will have an advantage over larger aircrafts. LCA Mk.2 will be able to hold its own in a WVR dogfight as well.
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Mars Lander 'Curiosity' to land on Mars in about 2 days. Those interested in 'live coverage' can check this NASA website: http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msl/participate/
Dont expect an Oscar show type coverage though... :) I dont think there'll be any movie of the landing available immediately....the first set of pictures might come in a few hours or in the first day. And would be static shots. Hope they have a camera pointed upwards at the 'sky crane'. There are a couple of Mars orbiters that might be able to snap some pictures of the lander as it enters the atmosphere.

Some interesting points:
the lander is about 900 kg, fueled by nuclear power (Pu 238), heated converted to electricity.
THis lander uses a very different method to land on MArs surface- previous two rovers were cocooned in structure of fabric 'balls' that cushioned the landing. This one uses a 'sky crane' concept where the final slow down is achieved by retro rockets.....it has to slow it down and keep it upright Should be very interesting because none of this is controlled by humans....all automatic control systems (time for a signal to reach earth from Mars takes several minutes).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_Science_Laboratory
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Rivet Joint-ski

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^^^Tu-214R - Prototypes special-mission version of the Tu-214 commercial transport aircraft,developed under the codename ‘Project 141'. The aircraft are configured to carry the MRC-411 multi-intelligence payload, to include electronic intelligence (ELINT) sensors, side-looking Synthetic Aperture Radar (SAR) and other Signals Intelligence (SIGINT) and Communications Intelligence (COMINT). In addition, the aircraft will carry multi-spectral electro-optical systems http://defense-update.com/20120603_fiel ... -2014.html

More Tu-214R : http://russianplanes.net/st/Tupolev/Tu-214R
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I wonder what that cross ladder system near tail is?
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^^^
Similar "Horizontal ladder" is there on P-8I portside just above where navy in english is written.
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US military sees virtue in 50-year-old aircraft
The United States military, the world’s most technologically advanced force, paradoxically fields some of the oldest weapons’ platforms on the planet. At least five aircraft, still in US military service, are already more than 50 years old. And, they are set to serve for three to four decades more.

The Indian Air Force has already bought one of these venerable platforms, the C-130 Hercules, in its newest avatar, the C-130J Super Hercules. The IAF is on course to buy another: the CH-47 Chinook helicopter. Trial evaluation has been conducted and a final decision is awaited.

The other half-century-old US aircraft (not on India’s shopping list) are: the B-52 Stratofortress bomber that took to the air in 1952; the KC-135 Stratotanker mid-air refueller that first flew in 1956; and the T-38 Talon, the world’s first supersonic trainer jet, flying since 1959. The US Air Force still trains pilots on the Talon.
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What is this intriguing object,a UFO? Pl. check the pic in the link.

http://www.redorbit.com/news/space/1112 ... altic-sea/

UFO Lying On The Bottom Of The Baltic Sea?
June 19, 2012
Lee Rannals for redOrbit.com

A Swedish expedition team has found an unidentified object at the bottom of the Baltic Sea, leaving some to believe it’s the remnants of an extra-terrestrial ship.

Scientists went off on a deep-water dive to debunk some theories about the underwater object, but were left with more questions than they had answers.

The divers found that the object was raised about 10 to 13 feet above the seabed, and curved in at the sides.

“First we thought this was only stone, but this is something else,” Ocean X team diver Peter Lindberg said in a press release.

The object had an egg shaped hole leading into it from the top, working like an opening. On top of the object, they found strange stone circle formations, which resembled small fireplaces. The stones were covered in something that resembled “soot.”

“During my 20-year diving career, including 6000 dives, I have never seen anything like this. Normally stones don’t burn. I can’t explain what we saw, and I went down there to answer questions, but I came up with even more questions “, Stefan Hogeborn, one of the divers at Ocean X Team, said in the press release.

Farther back from the object, the Ocean X team said that they could see a “runway” or a downhill path that is flattened at the seabed with the object at the end of it.

“As laymen we can only speculate how this is made by nature, but this is the strangest thing I have ever experienced as a professional diver“, continues Peter Lindberg, one of the founder Ocean X Team.

Scientists are currently examining samples from the circle-shaped object, and experts in sonar imaging are processing data from the “ship” to help shed more light on what exactly this underwater object is.

The outline of the ship on pictures resembles the famous Star Wars ship the “Millennium Falcon.”

Lindberg said the odd thing about the discovery is that there is no silt on the rock, which is an ordinary thing to find when lying at the bottom of the sea.

He also told Fox News that the object is “disc-shaped” and “appears to have construction lines and boxes drawn on it.”

Lindberg told the news agency that the Americans and Japanese “are much more excited” about the discovery than the local Swedish people.

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^^^
Is the Baltic Sea 'Sunken UFO' a Scam?
http://news.discovery.com/space/baltic- ... 20628.html
Peter Lindberg, head of the Ocean X Team, either has let his imagination run wild or has an ulterior motive, according to Jonathon Hill, a researcher at the Mars Space Flight Facility at Arizona State University, who analyzes images of planetary surface features taken during NASA's Mars missions.

"Whenever people make extraordinary claims, it's always a good idea to consider for a moment whether they are personally benefiting from the claim or if it's a truly objective observation," Hill told Life's Little Mysteries.
"In this case, the team clearly has a lot to gain from an extraordinary claim," he said. "Mr. Lindberg is already making plans to take 'wealthy tourists' down in his submarine to view the object. If he had used a rock hammer to break off a small piece of the object, a geologist could have determined whether it was a pillow basalt in a few minutes. But if it turned out to be a pillow basalt and not a 'mysterious UFO-like object', Mr. Lindberg wouldn't have much of a business plan, would he?"
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Singha wrote:I wonder what that cross ladder system near tail is?
Might be some antennae.
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Kartik wrote:
Singha wrote:I wonder what that cross ladder system near tail is?
Might be some antennae.
Could be wrong but I think its part of Signit system IIRC the recent TU214Rs also have them as someone pointed out before...
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http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/med ... 795&size=l
those wheels are a special design.. can someone explain the design behind these wheels?
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The wheels are just as they should be. It is the fish-eye lens which creates all the distortion near the edges
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Picture: 100 Years of VVS ( Russian Air Force )

https://picasaweb.google.com/1179903832 ... 00_let_vvs
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Germany Seizes Russian Military aircraft Engines
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/arti ... 66440.html

German customs have seized two shipments of military airplane engines from Russia on the grounds that they violate the country's stringent arms trading rules, a news report said Sunday.

Customs stopped the shipment of four turboprop engines for Tu-142 reconnaissance aircraft destined for India and a shipment of MiG-29 fighter jet engines en route to Algeria because they lacked the necessary permits, the weekly news magazine Spiegel reported.
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Not quite sure where to put this. Received in an e-mail from a pilot friend.

http://www.flyinglions.co.za/index.php? ... &Itemid=29

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waF-xwyEi1w

Sorry do not know how to embed images and video!
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SaiK wrote:http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/med ... 795&size=l
those wheels are a special design.. can someone explain the design behind these wheels?
Not related to SaiK's question, but saw a funny picture on FB showing "Curiosity" above.
The caption read "6 more weeks of intergalactic summer". I think he was trying to say "6 more weeks of intergalactic winter".

:-)
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The third test of the X-51A Waverider Fails

http://security.blogs.cnn.com/2012/08/1 ... ?hpt=hp_t1
By Mike Mount

A hypersonic aircraft launched by the Air Force Tuesday spiraled out of control and was destroyed before it could reach its goal of speeding to 4,600 mph, Pentagon officials said Wednesday.

The third test of the X-51A Waverider was launched Tuesday off the California coast from a B-52 modified bomber aircraft and was to fly for 300 seconds, reaching hypersonic speeds of Mach 6, but only flew for 16 seconds, according to the Air Force.

Officials said a problem with a tail fin caused the missile-like vehicle to fly out of control before the main engine could be ignited, leading researchers to destroy it early.

"A fault was identified with one of the cruiser control fins. Once the X-51 separated from the rocket booster, approximately 15 seconds later, the cruiser was not able to maintain control due to the faulty control fin and was lost," said a statement issued by the Air Force.

It's unclear what, if any, information was gleaned from the test. According to the statement, "Program officials will now begin the process of working through a rigorous evaluation to determine the exact cause of all factors at play."

The Air Force plans to go public with details of the failed test in a few weeks, after researchers are able to analyze the data from the flight.

"It is unfortunate that a problem with this subsystem caused a termination before we could light the Scramjet engine," said Charlie Brink, X-51A Program Manager for Air Force Research Laboratory. "All our data showed we had created the right conditions for engine ignition and we were very hopeful to meet our test objectives."

The Air Force had four X-51A Waveriders and has tested three. Officials said they do not yet know when or if the fourth Waverider will be tested.
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it would be interesting to see, how team brahmos will manage to achieve Mach 7 as promised for brahmos 2.
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they're pursuing the development of a carrier-capable Gripen
Potential customers include India and Brazil. Saab responded to a request for information from India in 2009, and remain engaged with the Indian Navy staff in Delhi and Goa.
http://gripenblogs.saabgroup.com/Lists/ ... spx?ID=390

and a possible unmanned variant too
in Swedish: http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/fordon_m ... 519054.ece

English translation of the relevant portion
http://www.aame.in/2012/08/unmanned-var ... as-39.html
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so they are hell bent on smashing naval tejas!.. not going to happen. wtf India should buy sea gripen?
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Image
Lockheed announced Monday that its Space Systems division will build the spacecraft for NASA's next mission to Mars. The mission will be called InSight, which stands for "Interior Exploration using Seismic Investigations, Geodesy and Heat Transport,"
way to go.. this is what desi private industry must learn.
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the open source movement has hit the construction of planes as well...
http://www.engadget.com/2012/08/21/make ... ilt-plane/
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Looks like the RuAF may induct the MiG-35 and even upgrade its older MiG-29s to the MiG-29UPG standard based on the IAF version.
"According to the state program of armaments MiG-35 in 2014 will go to equip the Russian Air Force" - said Korotkov, who took part in the air show to celebrate the centenary in Zhukovsky Air Force, reports "Interfax" .

He said that now the RAC "MiG" and the Defense Ministry are the preparations for the execution of tactical and technical jobs fighter. "If we want to make deliveries in 2014, it now should be to make all documents", - said director general.
Korotkov also reported that the Air Force has successfully operated the first batch of upgraded MiG-29 SMT.

"The question of the additional purchase of these fighters," - he said.

In addition, he said, discussed the project of modernization of the park of the MiG-29, which are in service with the Russian Air Force in the late 80's - early 90's. In this case, the RAC "MiG" suggests using technological advance upgraded from the MiG-29 Indian Air Force. "Very nice, advanced aircraft received", - said Korotkov.

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Mig-35 is already funded as part of GPV-2020 and the numbers quoted is between 45-60 aircraft , MOD is right now looking into Unified Mig-29M2/35 proposal and seeing which one to opt for.

VVS maintains a fleet of 200-300 Mig-29 and it would make sense for them to upgrade it as in case of IAF it adds 25 years of life and adds multirole capability at a very competitive price.

Considering they think IAF Mig-29UPG upgrade as the bench mark for VVS upgrade it augurs well for IAF upgrade.
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http://www.timeslive.co.za/scitech/2012 ... t-pictures

awesome pics.. and
The nuclear-powered rover has been tracking levels of dangerous radiation on the Martian surface in an effort to guide future astronaut landings. It also powered up its weather station, taking hourly readings of air and ground temperatures, pressure and wind conditions.
wow! I never knew such a small vehicle is nuke powered! kudos!!! to the Americans.
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SaiK wrote:The nuclear-powered rover ....
I am sure you know, but as a clarification nevertheless, its not nuke-reactor.
Its battery that has Plutonium as its source. Its called MMRTG.

More here.

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