WW2 Military Technologies: Successes and Failures
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WW2 Military Technologies: Successes and Failures
From mod's command i am starting this new thread. This thread is for discussing and posting world war II military technologies. It is about aircraft, armoured vehicles, flying boats, Machine guns ityadi all developed during world war II to defend their own country. Some of these technologies are even used now and some just stay in museum.
Do's and Don'ts: People please fallow these ASAP my request.
1. There are thousands of WWII aircraft don't put their images, put only if relevant. Put their links.
2. More technology and concept related posts please.
3. Compare the old a/c with new ones which look same and may have same tech.
4. Do not discuss about war ,do only if it describes the technology involved in it.
These WW II technologies and experience from their failures thought the new lessons from which new military tech developed.
Advance thanks for all those who contribute..
Do's and Don'ts: People please fallow these ASAP my request.
1. There are thousands of WWII aircraft don't put their images, put only if relevant. Put their links.
2. More technology and concept related posts please.
3. Compare the old a/c with new ones which look same and may have same tech.
4. Do not discuss about war ,do only if it describes the technology involved in it.
These WW II technologies and experience from their failures thought the new lessons from which new military tech developed.
Advance thanks for all those who contribute..
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The Russian flying boat or a/c :
The photo is stored in flickr website but the author unknown.
Other images link -http://www.flickr.com/photos/happyhappyjoyjoy/page32/
This a/c has 8 engines and also has missile battery firing (not there in this photo). Some unknown source says that the aircraft production was stopped after the cold war. Some of them are still present in some lake non- functional.
It was a very high speed a/c used to transfer troops when in need. No such a/c seen in world now.
The photo is stored in flickr website but the author unknown.
Other images link -http://www.flickr.com/photos/happyhappyjoyjoy/page32/
This a/c has 8 engines and also has missile battery firing (not there in this photo). Some unknown source says that the aircraft production was stopped after the cold war. Some of them are still present in some lake non- functional.
It was a very high speed a/c used to transfer troops when in need. No such a/c seen in world now.
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Horten Ho 229 flying wing fighter/bomber:
During WWII two German people designed the prototype of Hilter's stealth figther.
http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/e ... b-Photos/0
The aircraft was made up of mostly wood and is said to reflect less radar energy.
Much of discussion about this aircraft is in this link-
http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/the-d ... ave-m.html
During WWII two German people designed the prototype of Hilter's stealth figther.
http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/e ... b-Photos/0
The aircraft was made up of mostly wood and is said to reflect less radar energy.
Much of discussion about this aircraft is in this link-
http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/the-d ... ave-m.html
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One of the British museum describes this as guided bomb and in some it is German air to ship guided missile now in museum in Britain (Museum of Flight, Scotland).
This one very interested although not a technology ( "to save his life a man finds all possible ways" ).
During world war II German tanks were highly developed and were invading soviet area. The Soviet union used trained dogs to bomb the tanks. The dogs were made hungry by not giving food, and made to search food under tanks. Once bombs loaded on the field they went near the German tanks and the bomb exploded. Nearly 300 German tanks were disabled. Germans became evident of this and commanded to shoot every dog on site. Even vehicle mounted gun was ineffective due to small size of dogs. Today they could be called as dog guided bomb.
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sorry sir i rechecked again plz say whether it is corrected or not. If not plz show by quoteshiv wrote:spelling alert
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Sorry - the name of the thread has "Militray" instead of "Military"govardhanks wrote:sorry sir i rechecked again plz say whether it is corrected or not. If not plz show by quoteshiv wrote:spelling alert
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Thanks very much sir big mistake
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my favourite a/c of WW2 - De havilland Mosquito. fast, high flying, long range, precision strike, night fighter and pathfinding - lone wolf personified. made some daring low level strikes on pinpoint targets like gestapo jails and command HQs.
the Su34/F15E of its era.
http://www.spitcrazy.com/mosquito-lr.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Havilland_Mosquito
7500 were built
the Su34/F15E of its era.
http://www.spitcrazy.com/mosquito-lr.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Havilland_Mosquito
7500 were built
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I am not sure if this has been posted before. the images below are screen shots from a NGC documentary about Hitler's secret stealth fighter.
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Horton-229
A Nazi weapon that may have changed the outcome of war, and it is said to be a stealth weapon.
Dual Jet engine powered stealth fighter aircraft.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news ... 16217.html
http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/e ... b-Photos/0
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news ... index.html
http://img401.imageshack.us/i/vlcsnap656390.jpg/
And another long range stealth fighter
Horton-18
Designed to deliver nuclear bomb to distant enemies like US.
http://img139.imageshack.us/i/vlcsnap657722.jpg/
http://img188.imageshack.us/i/vlcsnap657676.jpg/
SOurce:
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news ... plane.html
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Horton-229
A Nazi weapon that may have changed the outcome of war, and it is said to be a stealth weapon.
Dual Jet engine powered stealth fighter aircraft.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news ... 16217.html
http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/e ... b-Photos/0
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news ... index.html
http://img401.imageshack.us/i/vlcsnap656390.jpg/
And another long range stealth fighter
Horton-18
Designed to deliver nuclear bomb to distant enemies like US.
http://img139.imageshack.us/i/vlcsnap657722.jpg/
http://img188.imageshack.us/i/vlcsnap657676.jpg/
SOurce:
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news ... plane.html
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Yes, the Russians pioneered the ground-effect transports. The idea is that when you fly really close to a flat surface (height < your plane's wingspan) such as level ground or sea, the aerodynamic drag is significantly reduced. Pilots experience this effect when they come in for landings. The physics behind this was calculated by Tsiolkovsky, the Russian space pioneer. The Russians then built aircraft specifically to take advantage of ground effects and they fly fast and low above the water surface. The first ones were built in Scandinavia a little before WW-II actually, and development efforts continued after the war as well. The pic you have in your post is from the 60s or so. Discovery Channel had a program on these a few years ago.govardhanks wrote:The Russian flying boat or a/c :
It was a very high speed a/c used to transfer troops when in need. No such a/c seen in world now.
They built one that had missile launchers in the 80s.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lun-class_ekranoplan
The CIA nicknamed this one "The Caspian Sea Monster" when the first pictures emerged.
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the best german designed sub was the U-XXI .This submarine class directly influenced nearly all modern SSK designs of the soviets and the allies.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Type_XXI_submarine
Also when taking about WW2 submarines one cannot help but point out that the IJN I-400 class vessels were the Biggest non-nuclear submarines in history, they would only be dwarfed by the SSBN's built in the 1960's.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I-400_class_submarine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Type_XXI_submarine
Also when taking about WW2 submarines one cannot help but point out that the IJN I-400 class vessels were the Biggest non-nuclear submarines in history, they would only be dwarfed by the SSBN's built in the 1960's.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I-400_class_submarine
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France built one of the largest submarines between the World Wars, 3250 Ton (surfaced) Surcouf
Its was known for being the first "aircraft-carrying submarine" to operate successfully. It carried reconnaissance aircraft.
Its was known for being the first "aircraft-carrying submarine" to operate successfully. It carried reconnaissance aircraft.
Japanese took it ahead by building submarines for even more offensive role. They built I-400 (1934) to carry 3 bomber aircrafts. At 5224 Tons surfaced, I-400 is possibly the largest conventional submarine ever operated.For reconnaissance, she carried a Besson MB.411 observation float plane in a hangar built abaft of the conning tower;
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RADAR
PROXIMITY FUSE
M4 Sherman Tank
T-34 TANK
Panzer family of tanks
German 21cm diameter Rockets: nebel werfur?
Russian Katyusha rockets
PROXIMITY FUSE
M4 Sherman Tank
T-34 TANK
Panzer family of tanks
German 21cm diameter Rockets: nebel werfur?
Russian Katyusha rockets
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I believe this is not a World War II technology, rather a cold war relic.govardhanks wrote:The Russian flying boat or a/c :
The photo is stored in flickr website but the author unknown.
Other images link -http://www.flickr.com/photos/happyhappyjoyjoy/page32/
This a/c has 8 engines and also has missile battery firing (not there in this photo). Some unknown source says that the aircraft production was stopped after the cold war. Some of them are still present in some lake non- functional.
It was a very high speed a/c used to transfer troops when in need. No such a/c seen in world now.
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I think we can also add the Field of Operation Research to the above list.ramana wrote:RADAR
PROXIMITY FUSE
M4 Sherman Tank
T-34 TANK
Panzer family of tanks
German 21cm diameter Rockets: nebel werfur?
Russian Katyusha rockets
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Recommended Reading : Most Secret War by R V Jones.
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Drop Tank
Jet Engine
Bombsight
Sonar
in addition to ramana ji's list.
Jet Engine
Bombsight
Sonar
in addition to ramana ji's list.
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Yes it is true it is a cold war relic.rajsunder wrote: I believe this is not a World War II technology, rather a cold war relic.
http://www.se-technology.com/wig/html/m ... 0&craft=26
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Atom Bomb - worked
Naval Air Power/ AC Carriers - worked, Battleships - good for shore bombardment/landings only
Naval Oilers and supply ships - new concept
Blitzkrieg - combined arms concept
Concept of bridgeheads in military doctrine
Chaff to confuse radar
Naval Air Power/ AC Carriers - worked, Battleships - good for shore bombardment/landings only
Naval Oilers and supply ships - new concept
Blitzkrieg - combined arms concept
Concept of bridgeheads in military doctrine
Chaff to confuse radar
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The "bouncing bomb" An enchanting concept that actually worked as designed - even if its effect on the course of the war was limited.
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No a technolgy but a concept. Strategic bombing aka indiscriminate bombing of civilian targets was a WW2 concept that was taken to Korea and Vietnam. Wars that did not involve the US (Arab-Israeli, India-Pakistan) did not implement this. Even for the US it became outmoded from Kosovo onwards.
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Japanese I-400 class submarine
This was a submarine that was also an aircraft carrier! Only 3 were built out of the planned 18.
This was a submarine that was also an aircraft carrier! Only 3 were built out of the planned 18.
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Wasserfall- (waterfall) was a radio controlled German supersonic( ) guided missile for anti-aircraft purposes.
It was designed to intercept hostile aircraft and to fly at 19000mts at 880km/hr with ranges upto 48km. This whole idea was highly advanced in 1940's not achieved by any other country. If deployed in few hundreds they could well defend Germany from enemy a/c.
The research started in Peenemünde Research Station in 1942, first launching took place cross the Baltic in February 1944, a altitude of 7000m was achieved by the rocket. Research and development terminated in feb 1945 for no known reasons with speculations that they were deployed.
The missile weighs 3.5kg and could 306kg warhead.
http://www.strangevehicles.greyfalcon.u ... cs/WSF.jpg
It was designed to intercept hostile aircraft and to fly at 19000mts at 880km/hr with ranges upto 48km. This whole idea was highly advanced in 1940's not achieved by any other country. If deployed in few hundreds they could well defend Germany from enemy a/c.
The research started in Peenemünde Research Station in 1942, first launching took place cross the Baltic in February 1944, a altitude of 7000m was achieved by the rocket. Research and development terminated in feb 1945 for no known reasons with speculations that they were deployed.
The missile weighs 3.5kg and could 306kg warhead.
http://www.strangevehicles.greyfalcon.u ... cs/WSF.jpg
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ramana wrote: Russian Katyusha rockets
Features:
1. It delivers a large amount of explosives to the target area quickly.
2. Propelled by a solid nitrocellulose based propellant and mounted on many platforms, trucks, tanks, armoured trains and naval vessels.
3. Mobility gave Katyushas an advantage: Hit the target all at once and then relocate to escape from counter battery fire.
4. Disadvantages were- Long time to reload compared to conventional artillery guns, Lower accuracy, fragile compared to artillery guns.
5. Advantages were - Inexpensive and easy to produce.
6. Weighs 22 kg, range is 5.4 km.
Comments-Wikipedia says: The weapon is less accurate than conventional artillery guns, but is extremely effective in saturation bombardment, and was particularly feared by German soldiers. A battery of four BM-13 launchers could fire a salvo in 7–10 seconds that delivered 4.35 tons of high explosives over a four-hectare (10 acres) impact zone.
Wiki page even says that they were exported to many countries sad to say no name of our country but the name of China is there .
If exploited properly with new techs the disadvantages can be overcome to some extent no need of strict accuracy.
I particularly want to say we have find a way for the concept of "Saturation Bombardment"
which i think is very effective.
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isn't the reason obvious ?Wiki page even says that they were exported to many countries sad to say no name of our country but the name of China is there
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Watching the Military channel on B-29s. States that the first ones landed in Calcutta in 1942 - the first forward air base for them. They attacked Bangkok from Calcutta!!!
Boeing has been in India since then (at least).
Boeing has been in India since then (at least).
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Blitzkrieg (German, "lightning war").AnantD wrote: Blitzkrieg - combined arms concept
Concept of bridgeheads in military doctrine
It is sudden and surprise attack of your enemy bases with lighting speed. It takes advantage of relative unpreparedness of enemy troops and their inertia. It is done with a highly mechanized and highly mobile combined forces concentrating on a small part of enemy troops. It is just giving a death blow to your enemy before they could fully mobilize and of course as said combined arms concept. Blitzkrieg strategy involves dsirupting enemy communications first, massive air strike to arrest the enemy movement and defences second, assault by fully mechanized army so deep inorder to encircle massive enemy forces and achieve a rapid victory third.
This techniques demands few things, fully mechanised army in terms of quality to win over quantity.(For instance if you take Sino-Indian situation we need to get that quality in army so as to gain over quantity which is very difficult beacuse No.1 It requires huge amount of Money. No.2 It requires quality in army men in other words their selection will be more time consuming. No.3 It is really time consuming to bring super quality in armour. No.4 Once produced such an troop should not be idle!!! ...). Second thing it demands is the terrain, it can be fully and easily used only in battlefeild which is flat in surface, in other words it is completely not usefull in Mountain Warfare( The best examples are the taliban war, where militants hideout where in mountains and no army could reach them effectively, the Predator drones evolved from such a situation because they remain airbrone long time they could trace their hideouts.. in analogy like a eagle hunts a rat or snake which is hidden in a tunnel).
A much detailed note is in Wikipedia, especially the mode of operation part for now i will describe about countermeasures-
1. Terrain specialized army depolyment- Since Blitzkrieg is not effective in other than flat terrain; the woody forest(this concept was failed in one of the part of france by germans) , river beds(?) and mountains could be used for depolying the troops in strategically important parts.
2. Air dominance- The Blitzkrieg demands air superiority which if failed can lead to ineffective conquest and an effecient air to ground attack can make the whole raid ineffective.
3. Anti-tank and anti-air warfare- If effective it can make Blitzkrieg vulnerbale!!!
4. Extensive minefield with combination of defense forces by soviet gave a very hard time for Germans in Battle of Kursk.
Bridgehead:
The bridgehead is a area near river beds wherein the army has to fight to gain the control over bridge. So as to conquer a bridge(that is what i understand), it is interesting because conquering the bridge can allow one to gain access to the other side of bank of river. In essence it is the gain of easiest transport route for passage of troops from one bank of river to the other side, it may apply to huge rivers only. The bridgehead is a typical area around both the side of banks of river with a bridge in between and the bank should be flat and of neraly 30 sq.kms( anonymous source..).
There are several Bridges aroung Indus river in pakistan to name few Chilas bridge(~300 Km from srinagar), Astor and Alam bridges. Some are having a favourable terrain and other do not. Dont know about chinese part.
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The German Radio controlled Missile/bomb FritzX which sank the Italian battleship Roma after the Italian surrender killing 1200 sailors
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fritz_X
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fritz_X
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was the runway bomb ( the one which spilled a liquid which formed icicles on contact with ground) an Indian invention ? I believed it was a WWII concept, but a '71 war veteran told me that it was ours.
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Bob V wrote:was the runway bomb ( the one which spilled a liquid which formed icicles on contact with ground) an Indian invention ? I believed it was a WWII concept, but a '71 war veteran told me that it was ours.
The description is close but not quite accurate. the bomb had steel tripods that had one pointy end straight up which ever way they fell nd these were stuck to the runway using an adhesive. glue bomb, araldite bomb, steel tripod bomb. I havent found whats its official designation was.
but yes, it was an indian invention. never found an equivalent WW2 concept.
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but the one that I'm talking about, used a liquid that produced icicles on external contact. I got this from a '71 war veteran (then Sqr.Ldr) who used it on some godforsaken place.
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afaik nothing like that was used.Bob V wrote:but the one that I'm talking about, used a liquid that produced icicles on external contact. I got this from a '71 war veteran (then Sqr.Ldr) who used it on some godforsaken place.
Do you know Which squadron used it. what type of aircraft.
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Initial concepts of AEW on the Avenger.
To add to the list started bt Ramana and RahulM above.
To add to the list started bt Ramana and RahulM above.
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I think it was the Hunter. give me sometime I'll clarify it....the person is actually my GHQ's father ......what if he chokeslams me?Jagan wrote:
afaik nothing like that was used.
Do you know Which squadron used it. what type of aircraft.
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He might call RAW on you "My Son-in-law is asking too many nosey questions"
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I am struggling to get a job/P hd studentship. Soon will be back for the discussion.
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Regarding the bouncing bomb i found a beautiful picture showing how it works .
http://www.1001crash.com/index-page-bomb-lg-2.html plz have a look at it
and i am back got Phd studentship will register shortly
http://www.1001crash.com/index-page-bomb-lg-2.html plz have a look at it
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Antitank weapons
The antitank weapons that were used in world war 2 , mainly Bazooka(US) and Panzerfaust(German)
Bazooka is one of the first anti-tank weapons used US army. Colonel skinner suggestion of placing this weapons on experimental rocket launcher than tank made a good match. It was very effective, by 1942 M1A1 was introduced. It was 4ft wooden tube into which 60mm rocket grenades were inserted.. A small battery was provided as for charge to iginite after triger was pulled.. Disadvantage of this weapon was backblast and smoke trail.. Further developments led to M9-M20 series of anti-tank weapons with a range of 150m
Panzerfaust- A copy of Bazooka( as it is said), very simple and handy then the american counterpart.. Range 30, 60 and 100m long ranges were tested after the war ended..
Bazooka is one of the first anti-tank weapons used US army. Colonel skinner suggestion of placing this weapons on experimental rocket launcher than tank made a good match. It was very effective, by 1942 M1A1 was introduced. It was 4ft wooden tube into which 60mm rocket grenades were inserted.. A small battery was provided as for charge to iginite after triger was pulled.. Disadvantage of this weapon was backblast and smoke trail.. Further developments led to M9-M20 series of anti-tank weapons with a range of 150m
Panzerfaust- A copy of Bazooka( as it is said), very simple and handy then the american counterpart.. Range 30, 60 and 100m long ranges were tested after the war ended..
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Introduction of the shaped charge concept by the Germans to attack the Sherman M-4s..The antitank weapons that were used in world war 2 , mainly Bazooka(US) and Panzerfaust(German)