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PostPosted: 22 Feb 2012 11:48 
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"...newly-acquired Apache will be restricted to below 12,000 feet..."


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yes on paper around 16,000ft but I will bet its only been battle tested to around 10,000ft in Afghanistan.

it is a big heavy helicopter.


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"...newly-acquired Apache will be restricted to below 12,000 feet..."


:shock: :?:

But this beast is very quiet on above 1500 feet, which is good for land operation. still I have doubt on Apache operations on our eastern front for deep striking. For that we have WSI which has reached on siachen around 20,000 feet on world highest halipad, which is a world record itself. :)


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if it cannot fly with some payload beyond 17,000ft it cannot fly over the series of high passes along the manali road to demchok region and neither can it deploy from Leh area over the Khardung la to nubra valley/daulat beg oldie or over Chang la to the pangong tso lake region. all of these are 17000ft+

and since neither the C130J or AN32 flying into the ALGs like DBG or Demchok can carry this baby even with rotors removed, it cannot be airlifted in.

I am skeptical if it can be put on a trailer and road carried there whether for a permanent base or wartime fwd basing.

in short it looks totally useless for Ladakh.
what exact value does it add vs TSP that a combo of WSI and LCH cannot impart - IAF/IA are afterall getting their choice of imported weapons like mistral and atgm.

not sure what kind of obstacles are there to deploying from north bengal to north sikkim ....

I am afraid such a expensive purchase that cannot be deployed vs our biggest problem is a useless purchase - would be better to just buy more 40 more LCH for the cost of 22 apaches. Nag mmw is also in works, so matter of time before we get Helina mmw.


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Dhruv MK-3 has automatic dispensation of countermeasures like chaff and fare dispensing systems. Any senior kindly elaborate me how exactly it works in auto mode? :?:
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My guess is that there could be that there could be an on-board computer which classifies and prioritizes the threats and based on that triggers the launch of the Countermeasures..


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The MI-35 is restricted to well below 6000 feet and the newly-acquired Apache will be restricted to below 12,000 feet.

I do not know where this figure is pulled form.
Everywhere I verify, the AH-64D is said to have a Service ceiling of 21000 ft, not 12000 ft.
Comparative Picture posted by Rajneesh here sometime back
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if it cannot fly with some payload beyond 17,000ft it cannot fly over the series of high passes along the manali road to demchok region and neither can it deploy from Leh area over the Khardung la to nubra valley/daulat beg oldie or over Chang la to the pangong tso lake region. all of these are 17000ft+

and since neither the C130J or AN32 flying into the ALGs like DBG or Demchok can carry this baby even with rotors removed, it cannot be airlifted in.

I am skeptical if it can be put on a trailer and road carried there whether for a permanent base or wartime fwd basing.

in short it looks totally useless for Ladakh.
what exact value does it add vs TSP that a combo of WSI and LCH cannot impart - IAF/IA are afterall getting their choice of imported weapons like mistral and atgm.

not sure what kind of obstacles are there to deploying from north bengal to north sikkim ....

I am afraid such a expensive purchase that cannot be deployed vs our biggest problem is a useless purchase - would be better to just buy more 40 more LCH for the cost of 22 apaches. Nag mmw is also in works, so matter of time before we get Helina mmw.

LCH is a 5 tonne class gunship. Apache is a 10 tonne class one. The Engines in Apache are around 80% more powerful than the LCH and the useful load is also 5 tonnes compared to 2.5 tonnes for the LCH.

Both the machines belong to different classes so one on one comparison IMO is not necessary.

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what exact value does it add vs TSP that a combo of WSI and LCH cannot impart

I see this as 'what can 10 Rafale achieve that 20 Gripen cannot'.


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Amitabh wrote:
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The apaches are experts in tank killing. The plains of Punjab, Rajastan can prove pretty messy for enemy Armored units in the presence of these.
The Attack Choppers usually travel in groups, so if a lone MANPADS team tries to engage them, irrespective of their ........

Ask the 11th Regiment, 3rd Infantry Division, US Army: 2003 Attack on Karbala, Iraq

Sorry for the delay, I missed your post.
The element of surprise is all powerful. A bad mission does not necessarily translate to a bad platform.

IAF sees the use of heavy Attack Heli in its doctrine, and I believe Apache is the best in the market now. What other heli do you think could have fared better if it were to be in Apache's place in Karbala?


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>> Both the machines belong to different classes so one on one comparison IMO is not necessary.

nobody is comparing them 1:1. but I am saying it might be 0:1 since the apache might not even be able to fly in combat ops in the areas where the PRC is poised to pounce. the chances of a indo-pak clash are quite minimal vs the chances of PRC pouncing on us somewhere given the superior logistical lines and economic confidence they are building up.

secondly we can afford far more LCH/WSI than 44 apaches (let us say we buy another 22 later)...we can likely put up 2 LCH/WSI for every 1 apache on a cost basis.

what kind of track record does it have @ 15,000ft in sustained or even periodic ops?

> What other heli do you think could have fared better if it were to be in Apache's place in Karbala?

none. it was a wrong decision to send the apaches ahead and acknowledged as such later. we need not repeat the same mistake.


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Bala Vignesh wrote:
My guess is that there could be that there could be an on-board computer which classifies and prioritizes the threats and based on that triggers the launch of the Countermeasures..

I get the point...Thanks bala sir.


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Singha wrote:
> What other heli do you think could have fared better if it were to be in Apache's place in Karbala?none. it was a wrong decision to send the apaches ahead and acknowledged as such later. we need not repeat the same mistake.

That is the point I like to make too. A bad mission does not necessarily mean a bad Heli.

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secondly we can afford far more LCH/WSI than 44 apaches (let us say we buy another 22 later)...we can likely put up 2 LCH/WSI for every 1 apache on a cost basis.

I am not that worried about the cost.
What I am more interested in a Ah-64 is the LongBow. The Attack Helis can be mashed into one complex flight of one longbow for every 4-5 LCHs. I don't know of anything on LCH in the league of longbow yet.

By this we can have a very balanced and pertinent force.
If can somehow manage to use Helina with Longbow, it becomes even more sweeter.


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Is that kind of integration possible between LCH & Longbow ? I'm not talking about just the electronics, communications etc, but also about the different Army units which will operate these choppers. Lastly, I don't think Americans are going to allow it either.


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koti wrote:
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> What other heli do you think could have fared better if it were to be in Apache's place in Karbala?none. it was a wrong decision to send the apaches ahead and acknowledged as such later. we need not repeat the same mistake.

That is the point I like to make too. A bad mission does not necessarily mean a bad Heli.

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secondly we can afford far more LCH/WSI than 44 apaches (let us say we buy another 22 later)...we can likely put up 2 LCH/WSI for every 1 apache on a cost basis.

I am not that worried about the cost.
What I am more interested in a Ah-64 is the LongBow. The Attack Helis can be mashed into one complex flight of one longbow for every 4-5 LCHs. I don't know of anything on LCH in the league of longbow yet.



By this we can have a very balanced and pertinent force.
If can somehow manage to use Helina with Longbow, it becomes even more sweeter.



But Koti sir I think, we need to understand the roll in between the different classes of Air combat vehicles of IA. The both class of combat air vehicles (Heavy and light) are requires to full filling the war doctrines (Offensive plus defensive). Like….
1.With Apache-AH64 IA will get a boost to its deep strike capabilities and also to its limited strike capacity (During interview one of NSG commando was questioned, would you like to die for this country. He said I am not trained to die just but to fight and return back alive). This deal definitely will be morale booster for the strike core.
2.LCH as its main role (order of IA 114 Units) will give aerial support to IA armed division. But if we integrate one such discipline with our ground combat group, we need whole planned roles for each and every unit/type. (Like LCH tracked targets should be shared in between all in range combat units via a uniform Battle management system and the same way sharing of Arjun MK 1&2 and T-90 tracked targets mutually with LCH). Such platform (Air plus ground) needs more focus on joined developments & exercises to get better integrated outcomes.
3.As an add-on with the first point, another role for WSI or our new MI-17 V5 for deep troop’s deployment under apache cover for limited strike or evacuation. And this will be the best indigenous effort or option for such role (Leave aside the Eurocopter deal), which we will required not just on western front but also on eastern (for deployment plus evacuation).
4.The front role for the apache would not be just strike but to map the immediate front battle field (esp. by 11 millimetre-wave Longbow radars in low visibility) also and this data will get help in battle management and on-time deployment....

So I think it is a matter of time for proper absorption of capabilities of each individual unit under proper training, then IA will get a set role for each, and this will take time. :)


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This year we need to look out for the first flight of the LUH (Light Utility Helicopter) from HAL's Rotary Division. At least, back in 2009, Ashok Nayak during an interview with Force had stated that first flight should occur in 2012 and it should be delivered to the users in 2014. If the current stalemate in the other LUH competition carries on, AND HAL manages to stick to its own deadlines for once, then the GoI should simply cancel that competition and hand over the entire order to HAL instead with another private partner identified to manufacture it as well.


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Mid 2011 Hal ran into an issue of finding a good engine for the LUH. Has that been resolved?

OH, here goes:

Jan 16, 2012 :: HAL scouts for automatic flight control system for LUH

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anuary 16, 2012 : As its 3-ton light utility helicopter (LUH) takes shape, HAL has invited bids from global suppliers to design and supply the automatic flight control system (AFCS). HAL has called for the development of a 3-axis simplex digital AFCS that is interfaced with helicopter sensors and stability, controllability and autopilot actuators.

HAL is working hard to meet timelines, considering that it is working to meet an order of 187 units (126 for the Army and 61 for the IAF). Following the first public display of the LUH mock-up in January 2011, HAL is currently in the process of selecting a turboshaft engine for the platform.

In September last year, it opened two bids for Turbomeca's Shakti engine (which powers the ALH Dhruv and Light Combat Helicopter prototypes) and the LHTEC (Rolls-Royce and Honeywell joint venture) T800. In a break from tradition (and its existing agreement with Israel on the Dhruv programme), HAL has asked for indigenously developed designs for the LUH glass cockpit, ensuring that the man-machine interface and avionics of the platform are fully indigenous in an effort to offset the foreign component percentage contributed by the engine and flight control system.

According to HAL, the LUH is being developed for reconnaissance & surveillance (including armed reconnaissance), aerial photography, scout missions in conjunction with attack helicopter(s), NBC monitoring, platform for electronic support measure (ESM), Electronic Counter Measures (ECM) & ElectronicCounter Counter Measures (ECCM), airborne forward air controller (FAC), casualty evacuation, troop transport for military version and commuter role for civil version.


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Sept.The Chinook is a very vulnerable helo.Many posts ago there were details about Chinooks shot down in Af-Pak,etc.,the high rate of attrition when faced with anti-air fire from both MGs and MANPADs.As another poster has said,the MI-26s aren't going to be used directly over the battlefield as troop transports,but are needed ,apart from thir multi-role uses in support of army ops,to lift heavy eqpt. to the high Himalayas where no roads exist,so that the BRO can use the eqpt. to build the strategic highways required to counter the Chinese in Tibet.The absence of these eqpt. is sorely hampering the speed of construction.

The weaponised Dhruv is excellent news.We need numbers plus quality and with the LCH and Rudra arriving,and with their ability to carry almost all helo weaponry required,guns,rockets and missiles,the numbers of expensive Apaches can be curtailed,money saved on more acquisitions of indigenous attack helos.


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The Rudra would definitely need to field the RWR and counter measure dispensers. There were reports of both being fitted and tested by IAI on the Dhruv but is there any confirmation that they would definitely be part of the Rudra as standard equipment considering its role?


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India eyes more Kazan Mi-17 V5 helicopters
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BANGALORE, India, Feb. 23 (UPI) -- India is looking to buy 71 more Russian-made Mi-17 V5 helicopters on top of the 80 on order from the manufacturer Kazan Helicopters.

Indian Defense Minister A. K. Antony formally inducted the first batch of Mi-17 V5 medium-lift choppers into the air force last week, the Press Trust of India reported.

India signed the contract with Kazan in 2008 to supplement its existing fleet of around 150 Mi-8 and Mi-17 helicopters used for cargo and for VIP transport, the PTI report said.

Of the 71 helicopters in the new order, 59 would be for the air force to replace Mi-8 and Mi-17 V aircraft and six would be for border security forces. The remaining six would be sent to police forces around the country, an unnamed air force official told PTI.

Around 60 percent of the Indian air force's 800 helicopters are Russian-made, inducted between 1971 and 2003, a Defense News report said.

The majority of India's military helicopters, nearly 78 percent, are light or medium lift and include the Cheetah, Chetak and Mi series, which are slated for replacement, Defense News said.

Kazan Helicopters, with headquarters in Kazan, capital city the Russian Federation's Republic of Tatarstan, began exporting helicopters in 1956, the company Web site says. More than 3,800 of all variants and series have been delivered to overseas customers and more.

Kazan has made more than 11,000 of the Mi-8 and Mi-17 variants, the company says.

The Mi-17 V aircraft have two Isotov Klimov TV3-117 VM turboshaft engines that offer a cruising speed of around 140 mph and a maximum speed of almost 190 mph.

Maximum internal load is 8,820 pounds and the maximum external load on a sling is 9,920 pounds. In passenger configuration, the Mi-17 carries up to 36 people.

Kazan also makes the larger variants, the Mi-26 with a payload capacity of 20 tons, and the offensive gunship and anti-tank variants, Mi-25 and Mi-35.

As part of the military's replacement program, the Indian army has on order the attack version of the indigenously built advanced light helicopter Rudra, a heavily armed version of the utility helicopter Dhruv, built by Hindustan Aeronautics in Bangalore.

The Dhruv entered service in 2002 and around 160 are believed to have been ordered by the army and navy, a PTI report in September said.

The Dhruv project was announced in 1984 when Hindustan Aeronautics began designing the aircraft with assistance from the German aerospace company Messerschmitt-Bolkow-Blohm.

The Dhruv helicopter carries up to 12 passenger and two pilots sitting side by side, with a maximum takeoff weight of 12,125 pounds. Maximum speed of 180 mph is from two Shakti turboshaft engines or two Turbomeca TM 333-2B2 turboshaft engines. Service ceiling is around 27,500 feet.


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Singha wrote:
if it cannot fly with some payload beyond 17,000ft it cannot fly over the series of high passes along the manali road to demchok region and neither can it deploy from Leh area over the Khardung la to nubra valley/daulat beg oldie or over Chang la to the pangong tso lake region. all of these are 17000ft+

and since neither the C130J or AN32 flying into the ALGs like DBG or Demchok can carry this baby even with rotors removed, it cannot be airlifted in.

I am skeptical if it can be put on a trailer and road carried there whether for a permanent base or wartime fwd basing.

in short it looks totally useless for Ladakh.
what exact value does it add vs TSP that a combo of WSI and LCH cannot impart - IAF/IA are afterall getting their choice of imported weapons like mistral and atgm.

not sure what kind of obstacles are there to deploying from north bengal to north sikkim ....

I am afraid such a expensive purchase that cannot be deployed vs our biggest problem is a useless purchase - would be better to just buy more 40 more LCH for the cost of 22 apaches. Nag mmw is also in works, so matter of time before we get Helina mmw.


These 22 Apaches are direct replacement for the 22 Mi-25/35 in the IAF fleet. The primary reason why the IAF is going for the Apaches is that it is a proven platform and there is somewhat urgent replacement need for the Mi-25/35 as they are approaching end-of-their-lives.

On the other hand, the LCH, the first combat helicopter being indigenously developed, is still in R&D, which means there is a very high risk of delays, challenges etc. to the program; it may not be ready in time for the Mi25/35 replacement. If there are long delays to the LCH program, the IAF will likely purchase another batch of 22 Apaches. This is a lesson that the IAF learned the hard way with another indigenous program LCA, where the delays in the program caused overall fleet downsizing as the aircrafts that were supposed to be replaced by the new type could no longer have their life-extended. With the contingency plan of acquiring 22 Apaches, a proven commodity, the IAF can continue to retain its force levels until the LCH will be ready.

You can see this approach being taken on the purchase of Primary Trainer and LOH.


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India chopper deal figures in Italy graft investigation
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A probe by Italian prosecutors into allegations of corruption against state-backed defence major Finmeccanica has cast a shadow over a multi-million dollar deal that the company signed with India for 12 VVIP helicopters.
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A probe by Italian prosecutors into allegations of corruption against state-backed defence major Finmeccanica has cast a shadow over a multi-million dollar deal that the company signed with India for 12 VVIP helicopters.
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I won't mind if this deal gets shafted :D, about time the veeeyepees get to know what a pain in the ass delays can be, just like our brave soldiers.


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^^ Second that...


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My understanding was that IAF provides aircraft for VIP duties. In the absence of dedicated VIP craft, it would depute other aircraft which might have other operational roles. I don't expect neta-log to travel less because of lack of aircraft. So it might be better to have more VIP aircraft (promptly available) so IAF's operations aren't affected. It is a completely different matter if the VIP butts prefer the soft leather cushioned seats or the rugged ones.

Just my guess.


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Arun Menon wrote:
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A probe by Italian prosecutors into allegations of corruption against state-backed defence major Finmeccanica has cast a shadow over a multi-million dollar deal that the company signed with India for 12 VVIP helicopters.
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I won't mind if this deal gets shafted :D, about time the veeeyepees get to know what a pain in the ass delays can be, just like our brave soldiers.


:D :D :D :D :D

Why can't they buy a few more Mi 17 in VIP configuration ? When it comes to arms / ammunition, Rodina is always present but for transporting the delicate arses of VIP, we need a western aircraft with capitalistic comforts. I undertsand that US has cancelled its Marine On order for the EH 101 (US version) and is going for upgrading the existing aircraft. IF TFTA vcan do it why not SDRE ?
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I think for high altitude CAS we need a fixed wing aircraft capable of slow flying rather than helos. We should adapt LCA, IJT for the role and in future develop a CAS variant of AJT=CAT


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Vicji,
While I personally agree that we need to develop a CAS capable AJT, I believe that nothing comes close to an attack helicopter when it comes to CAS. The chopper has the benefit of operating from the second echelon lines while jets(except for the harrier) are restricted to airfields that are well behind the front lines. This also effects the bird's time on station as they can hang around for quite some time before heading back to refuel and/or re-arm. Then there is also a matter of accuracy with which fire is bought to bear against the engaged target which is significantly high for an attack helicopter.
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good point Kersi D, even the Obamas are into austerity these days (relatively speaking).

we have good reliable HW (Mi17V) and a guy who always want to create a splash and pimp out the ride to the wildest extent.

I hereby submit that DC Design be given the sole contract to upgrade the VVIP Mi17V to capitalistic stds.

http://www.infibeam.com/static/dcdesign ... r-car.html

he will likely source the interior stuff from the same places that eurocopter does but not at 1000% markup which eurocopter will surely take

in any case both our future commanders in chief are fit to hyperfit - Yuvraj and Vadra sir :oops: -- they could easily ride the basic Mi17 with no ill effect


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Well to be fair the EH-101 is a more modern chopper , has 3 engine which means more reliability , can carry heavier payload and yes comes with all the comfort and safety that the latest and best Western chopper can offer.

No doubt PMO had decided to buy EH-101 over any thing out there as any elite in any country given a choice would choose the best ..... for US not choosing EH-101 its more a question of lobby and choosing what is made in the country.

As far as Mi-17 goes the Russian president uses Mi-8 variant ( export designation Mi-17 ) for VIP roles and perhaps will continue to use it till Mi-38 takes over.

Here are some pics of Presidential Mi-17

Mi-8
Interiors

Kazan also offer some Business Class/VIP Mi-17
http://imagery.vnfawing.com/archive/Hel ... 593937.jpg


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As far as Mi-17 goes the Russian president uses Mi-8 variant ( export designation Mi-17 ) for VIP roles and perhaps will continue to use it till Mi-38 takes over.

Here are some pics of Presidential Mi-17

Mi-8

I didn't get you. The Mi-8 and Mi-17 are two different helicopters. the "17" is not an export designation. Or is it different for this version?

The helo in the pic is an Mi-17 not Mi-8. Easiest way to spot is the tail rotor. The 17 has the tail rotor on the port side instead of starboard.


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Mi-17 is just an export designation of the internal Mi-8MT/MTV and other advanced variant.


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I endorse Kersi and others on this issue.Firstly,the number of these VVIP helos is profligate.12.Even the US which wanted the same for "Marine Corps 1",found the aircraft too expensive and as of now it stands cancelled/shelved.If one remembers right,Mrs.Gandhi used Alouette-3s for her helo trips.OK,a twin-engined aircraft is safer agreed,and it is fact that the MI-8/17 medium helo is the most widely used helo in the world,even used by NATO forces (leased) in Af-Pak.Two air shows ago,there was at one of the Russian pavilions,a brochure giving the interior layouts/pics of MI-17s in VVIP configuration.I think I may have somewhere in my archives a CD of the same,will post pics if ever found.The interiors were most luxurious,absolute 5*+ std., and a revelation as to how far the Russians had improved the quality of aircraft interior design (Sukhoi Superjet too for instance ),perhaps the design was outsourced to a European supplier. Given the huge number if MI-17s in service and on order for the IAF,it would've been most cost-effective to have ordered VVIP versions which would be easier to operate too.We will now have the dubious distinction of operating such a large number of VVIP helos superior to what even the US pres. uses!


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I agree Philip, the servicing of Mi17VVIP would be much easier for HAL.

Khan's marine1 is a special overstrength sqdn - I believe its a mix of CH53, UH60 and SeaKing(whatever the green paint land version is called) and consists around 45 airframes, most of which are based near DC but some may be elsewhere for short haul trips in other parts of the vast country. they are looked after quite well.
when POTUS goes overseas, some of these helis are also put onboard C5 or C17 and airlifted onsite if he is going out of town like say delhi to jaipur.

for a minor league visit like that to India (delhi and hyd), there were 70 x heavy airlift flights just to bring in his kit and kaboodle :)


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PostPosted: 25 Feb 2012 20:57 
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New choppers for Bagdogra base
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KOLKATA: In keeping with the government's policy to upgrade military infrastructure in the eastern and northeastern parts of the country, the newly acquired multi-purpose Mi-5 V5 helicopters have been stationed at the IAF's base at Bagdogra in north Bengal. These helicopters were inducted into the IAF last week in Delhi.

The first batch of helicopters was received and inducted into the Eastern Air Command at Bagdogra by Air Vice Marshal KS Gill, Senior Officer Administration, EAC.

These helicopters are an upgraded version of the Mi-17 choppers already in use by the Indian Air Force. They have highly automated avionics, multi-functional displays, sophisticated navigation systems and a range of weapons that can be used during combat mode. Their powerful engines will enable the armed forces to react quickly in high altitudes.

"The new helicopters have special night vision capabilities that enable them to carry out low-altitude operations even when it is pitch dark. The weather radar on board gives it all-weather capability. For several years now, the Special Forces have been practicing night operations in difficult terrain the the North East. These helicopters will be ideal for such operations, even if they are carried out in high altitude terrain," an official said.

Bagdogra is one of the most crucial air bases in the eastern part of the country due to its strategic location. It is located close to the narrow 'chicken neck' region that connects the North East to the rest of the country. The role of the air base will be crucial in the case of an attempt to cut off the North East from the remaining part of the country.

Apart from defensive purposes, the air base has an important role to play during disasters - natural or otherwise. After the earthquake in Sikkim, all air operations were conducted from Bagdogra. Mi-17 choppers had to be brought in from Assam then as Bagdogra only had the smaller Chetaks and Cheetahs.


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PostPosted: 26 Feb 2012 14:31 
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Note the Mi 5 v5 in the second line.


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PostPosted: 27 Feb 2012 00:20 
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VinodTK wrote:
12 VVIP helicopters

What the heck is a "VVIP"? Are service chiefs also VVIPs or are they merely lower-tier VIPs along with the DC, DTO, RDO, Tehsildar etc?


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PostPosted: 27 Feb 2012 01:07 
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VVIP = Very, Very Important Person. Usually accorded for heads of state and may also be service chiefs.


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PostPosted: 27 Feb 2012 14:25 
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Yes Singha,after visits by B.Hussein O.,our worthies have lobserved closely and have gotten fresh ideas on how to pamper their precious backsides.


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PostPosted: 27 Feb 2012 21:22 
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My only concern with the VVIP Helicopter scam is that St. Anthony may just get an excuse to shaft important defence procurements. I personally give a big $hit whether this deal goes thru or not, but not at the cost of important ones


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