Indian Naval Discussion

Vivek K · Post by **Vivek K** » 19 Oct 2011 06:10

^^^^ Or the bear is doing it deliberately to keep the elephant weaker than the dragon!

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 19 Oct 2011 08:25

^^^^^

Nahhhh.

Russia has got her monies. Now she is waiting for 2012 to roll. Th calamities will certainly sink all these Indian assets (watch only Indian assets will sink). India then can do nothing. After all 2012 was predicted way back by the Incas. India will then have to refinance these projects. Russia will be L1. And, then Russia will wait till the next 2012 predicted by the Incas.

BTW, if you go to the Yahoo Island, in the Hawaiian chain, you can see all this - written - on banana leaves.

These leaves also state that some guy Called Br will lead the Indian MoD after 2012.

The leaves told me to post this. Actually they said I would post this.

Cain Marko · Post by **Cain Marko** » 19 Oct 2011 08:25

(to Vivek) - to what advantage? I can see the bear milking India as much as possible and "conceding" JVs and partnerships where no milking is possible but one thinks it is highly unlikely that the bear would hamstring India in favor of the Dragon.

Raosaheb, your post was a bouncer - what meaning of leaves - simple speak wonlee please.

CM.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 19 Oct 2011 08:30

........ we convinently forget the real life facts of sending CBG 7th fleet againt the nation ......

We ALSO conveniently forget that the benevolent USSR - at the very same time - was supplying MiG-21, etc and taking bananas and other commodities in exchange.

Russia - today - expects funds in US $$.

Just a data point.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 19 Oct 2011 13:31

Not the almighty "zero" instead?

Cosmo_R · Post by **Cosmo_R** » 19 Oct 2011 17:34

Mayan cycle etc. ^^^: "2012, The End of Life the Universe and Everything--The Sequel"

Manish_Sharma · Post by **Manish_Sharma** » 19 Oct 2011 20:28

Vivek K · Post by **Vivek K** » 19 Oct 2011 21:02

NRao wrote:
........ we convinently forget the real life facts of sending CBG 7th fleet againt the nation ......
We ALSO conveniently forget that the benevolent USSR - at the very same time - was supplying MiG-21, etc and taking bananas and other commodities in exchange.

Russia - today - expects funds in US $$.

Just a data point.

And are we still paying for those free purchases?

Boreas · Post by **Boreas** » 19 Oct 2011 21:27

"free purchase"

how can one "purchase" without "paying"

Vivek K · Post by **Vivek K** » 19 Oct 2011 21:38

Boreas wrote:"free purchase"

how can one "purchase" without "paying"

!

Good question! Indian purchases from USSR were in roubles. The rupee rouble conversion rate was set by the USSR. Please read up on an Indian Company MS Shoes East and their modus operandi to exploit the difference in the government set rate and the market rate of the roubles.

So actually we paid more than bananas and are perhaps still paying (?) for those "gifts"!

Boreas · Post by **Boreas** » 19 Oct 2011 22:18

Well I can't change people's opinion, but I do wish that poeple do some research before making an opinion.

It is "funny" the way everyone comes and "bashes" there way out on Russia for everything. They robbed us in gorky, they are deliberately delaying nepra, they don't supply IL76 spares, T90 is junk, there A2A missiles never work and what not!

Its simply funny. Not based on facts. And often made by people who don't have any hint of the kind of millitary relationship India enjoys with Russia.

(vivek not related to your post, general response to a lot of previous posts)

nachiket · Post by **nachiket** » 19 Oct 2011 23:43

It is also "funny" how otherwise respectable BRF members invoke "Solar Flares" and "Mayan doomsday predictions" to explain away the endless delays in the delivery of the Gorshkov.

Cosmo_R · Post by **Cosmo_R** » 20 Oct 2011 00:07

nachiket wrote:It is also "funny" how otherwise respectable BRF members invoke "Solar Flares" and "Mayan doomsday predictions" to explain away the endless delays in the delivery of the Gorshkov.

Only because they are more plausible than the official Russki explanations and dissembling.

The next logical step is to portray the early deliveries of the C-130s and C-17s as a plot.

VinodTK · Post by **VinodTK** » 20 Oct 2011 04:09

India deploys naval aircraft in Maldives

NEW DELHI - In its effort to bolster Maldives' anti-piracy patrols and maritime surveillance, India has deployed another naval Dornier aircraft in the Indian Ocean island nation, local media reported Wednesday.

"The Dornier will operate from Male and other places from Wednesday for at least three weeks," The Times of India newspaper quoted an official as saying.

Ever since Indian Defense Minister A.K. Antony visited Maldives in August 2009, Indian warships and Dornier aircraft have been regularly assisting the 1,190-island archipelago in maritime patrolling, the newspaper said.

India is also assisting Maldives in setting up a network of ground radars in all its 26 atolls and link them with the Indian military surveillance systems, the report said.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 20 Oct 2011 07:00

Dont know if this is appropriate here but which Sub is this?
http://en.rian.ru/mlitary_news/20111006/167432687.html
Russia’s new Severodvinsk nuclear-powered attack submarine has successfully completed initial sea trials by builder Sevmash, a Russian shipyard said on Thursday.
“The trial was successful. Tests of the ship’s systems were held as scheduled,” Sevmash ship-building company said in a statement.The Russian Navy will receive its first Severodvinsk nuclear submarine in late 2011. Sevmash is planning to build a total of six submarines of this class.
( Picture of Tail end of the Sub)
And watch the Video
http://en.rian.ru/video/20100616/159445642.html

Viv S · Post by **Viv S** » 20 Oct 2011 08:44

Prem wrote:Dont know if this is appropriate here but which Sub is this?
http://en.rian.ru/mlitary_news/20111006/167432687.html

First Yasen class SSN.

Edit: K-329 Severodvinsk.

SNaik · Post by **SNaik** » 21 Oct 2011 16:12

Pictures of Vikki, August 2011

K_Rohit · Post by **K_Rohit** » 21 Oct 2011 17:22

SNaik wrote:Pictures of Vikki, August 2011

Is that an aircraft on the deck of the Vik in the third photo? Su-33 looks like... But what's it doing there? Photoshop?

nevin · Post by **nevin** » 21 Oct 2011 17:50

that looks like a Mig29K. there were pictures of vikramaditya with Mig29K for static test or something similar iirc.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 21 Oct 2011 18:57

seems to be a mighty submarine moored fwd of Vik in pic#1

SNaik · Post by **SNaik** » 21 Oct 2011 19:08

Singha wrote:seems to be a mighty submarine moored fwd of Vik in pic#1

Pr.941 boomer Dmitry Donskoy, testbed for Bulava SLBM.

SNaik · Post by **SNaik** » 21 Oct 2011 19:17

nevin wrote:that looks like a Mig29K. there were pictures of vikramaditya with Mig29K for static test or something similar iirc.

Yes, MiG-29K for tests of deck operations, elevators and other equipment.

Kersi D · Post by **Kersi D** » 21 Oct 2011 22:52

Philip wrote:Not the almighty "zero" instead?

Philip. Let us accept that the Russia on 2011 is NOT the USSR of 1971. Drooling in the past is only hurting us.

K

suryag · Post by **suryag** » 22 Oct 2011 00:51

In the second pic it looks mighty

Nick_S · Post by **Nick_S** » 22 Oct 2011 02:35

Whats in that big water tank like drum at the top of Vik ?

Vivek K · Post by **Vivek K** » 22 Oct 2011 06:17

suryag wrote:In the second pic it looks mighty

Yes! IN is going to hang these pics on all IN ships to scare the Chinese!

Cain Marko · Post by **Cain Marko** » 22 Oct 2011 06:26

I just have to ask - why are these images in grayscale? Any reason? The ship looks beaautiful - one of the best lookers in my vvho. If looks could kill, that baby would've sunk the Beijing & Karachi by now.

CM.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 22 Oct 2011 06:28

You mean if looks could sink ....................

Never mind.

Cain Marko · Post by **Cain Marko** » 22 Oct 2011 06:33

^ Indeed - in a nit-picky mood are we?

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 22 Oct 2011 06:47

Killing time. .........................

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 22 Oct 2011 12:24

Kersi,keep abreast of the new developments and subs and warships emerging from the new Russia.After all,isn't B'Mos a huge success? The Talwar class ,an avatar of a venerable dsign has proved a huge success,similarly takea dekko at the equally venerable Kilo class SS.It is still in production in upgraded versions for Vietnam,Venezuela,etc.,despite its age of design.Western submariners who sneered at its apparent crudeness years ago have found their Collins class "the most expensive subs ever to have gone to sea" and the entire Canadian ex-RN Upholders of similar vintage to the Kilos inoperable too! There is a practicality about Russian weapon systems which makes them outlast more sophicsticated western systems which require more intense and expensive maintenance.

Russian missile systems across the spectrum have made huge strides and we will see our Super-Flankers armed with B'Mos and ultra LR AAMs of range of perhaps 120-200km.The next few years will see a slew of advanced Russian weaponry which will be in great demand.

Here's a good piece on the 4th-gen Severodvinsk .
http://blog.heritage.org/2011/10/19/rus ... ea-trials/

Russia’s Nuclear-Powered Attack Submarine Goes to Sea Trials

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 22 Oct 2011 15:07

Philip, not to worry, the Indian Building of the Scorpean will beat that record by a wide margin if things continue as they have been going. Unless the massive cost overruns are a nice cover for the Arihant class.

IIRC, the proposed P 75I will be budgeted at a cost of approx 1.8 Billion dollars for 6 boats. That cost is accurate will make them the most expensive SSKs ever put to sea.

PS, is it just me or ton for ton, Indian ships are actually the most expensive ships in their category.

SNaik · Post by **SNaik** » 22 Oct 2011 15:15

Cain Marko wrote:I just have to ask - why are these images in grayscale? Any reason? The ship looks beaautiful - one of the best lookers in my vvho. If looks could kill, that baby would've sunk the Beijing & Karachi by now.

CM.

They are greyscale because they originate from the electronic version of Sevmash's newspaper. I did not want to offend your sense of beauty.

SNaik · Post by **SNaik** » 22 Oct 2011 15:17

Nick_S wrote:Whats in that big water tank like drum at the top of Vik ?

Air traffic control and ILS "Rezistor-K"

Kersi D · Post by **Kersi D** » 22 Oct 2011 18:08

Cosmo_R wrote:
nachiket wrote:It is also "funny" how otherwise respectable BRF members invoke "Solar Flares" and "Mayan doomsday predictions" to explain away the endless delays in the delivery of the Gorshkov.
Only because they are more plausible than the official Russki explanations and dissembling.

The next logical step is to portray the early deliveries of the C-130s and C-17s as a plot.

The early delivery of C 130s is due to the El Nino current. The C 17s maybe delivered early as aircraft manufacturer has to go and feed the Loch Ness monster.

All these @#^%#$% capitalists

K

chackojoseph · Post by **chackojoseph** » 23 Oct 2011 17:40

Admiral Oscar Stanley Dawson Former Indian Navy Chief Passes Away

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 23 Oct 2011 20:11

Not directly related to Indian Navy but...
Indian divers found dead as rescue operation hits tragedy

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 23 Oct 2011 20:15

pgbhat wrote:Not directly related to Indian Navy but...
Indian divers found dead as rescue operation hits tragedy

Tragic.

Many of them are bound to be ex Indian Navy.

RIP

SNaik · Post by **SNaik** » 23 Oct 2011 20:53

Teg, October 2010, Baltic Sea, builder's trials, 32 knots.

Cain Marko · Post by **Cain Marko** » 23 Oct 2011 21:07

Pics of Teg: Again, beautiful - I'd love to compare the Talwars to the Shivaliks, side by side.

CM