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chiru
 Post subject: Re: Aircraft Recognition
PostPosted: 11 Mar 2012 16:01 
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yep nachiket was right ...its the infrared detection system ! :P

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Advertisement published in an aviation magazine in 1964 by ACF Industries Inc., Electronics Division Paramus (N.J., USA) for their infrared detection system on a nose section of a McDonnell F4-B Phantom.
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shiv
 Post subject: Re: Aircraft Recognition
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nachiket wrote:
Well that extension under the Phantom's nose housed the primitive IRST system (I think it was called the AAA-4 IR sensor). I think only the navy's F4J version didn't have it. They probably removed it and covered the housing with the metal tip.


Thank you. I first noticed that in a photo in 1962, in the first Observers Book of Aircraft I got. It has taken me 50 years to find out wtf that is. 8)
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Raja Bose
 Post subject: Re: Aircraft Recognition
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^^I wouldn't have noticed it either except I banged my head on it.

That still doesn't explain why it was explicitly stated that the tip be left unpainted? - there must be something else inside it. RWR possibly?
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Parowski
 Post subject: Re: Aircraft Recognition
PostPosted: 14 Mar 2012 00:13 
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HI - Can gurus help me with that odd looking stub on RuAfs Mig-29. I just happen to see this on Ria Novosti. Is it some kind of Maws or Flir. Do our Mig29 UPgs or K ones have them. Many thanks - Please check at 0.06 sec on this video. http://en.rian.ru/video/20120313/172139338.html
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Rahul M
 Post subject: Re: Aircraft Recognition
PostPosted: 14 Mar 2012 00:24 
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on the port side wingroot ?

that's the retractable IFR.
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Parowski
 Post subject: Re: Aircraft Recognition
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Thanks Rahul > Do we have them on our Bahadurs ?? Cheers
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nachiket
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Parowski wrote:
Thanks Rahul > Do we have them on our Bahadurs ?? Cheers

The Mig-29 is called the "Baaz" in IAF service. The Mig-27 is called Bahadur. And yes, the upgraded IAF Mig-29s will have the refueling probes.
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Kannan
 Post subject: Re: Aircraft Recognition
PostPosted: 14 May 2012 04:28 
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Raja Bose wrote:
That still doesn't explain why it was explicitly stated that the tip be left unpainted? - there must be something else inside it. RWR possibly?


Two inches in front of the radar housing would be a horribly inconvenient place to put an RWR, no? :)
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Victor
 Post subject: Re: Aircraft Recognition
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Came out about the same time as the DH Vampire.
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Victor
 Post subject: Re: Aircraft Recognition
PostPosted: 10 Jul 2012 02:47 
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vishvak wrote:
Just read about a site - http://jetphotos.net/showphotos.php?regsearch=VT-SMI

Notice the destinations - India, Italy, Australia, Switzerland, UK, France, etc.

Perhaps searching by unique plane ID.

Interesting. Owned by Essar Shipping and in about a year, the jetsetter has been photographed in Darwin, Milan, Zurich, Costa Smeralda besides Mumbai. May have been to many other places.
Little more digging gives ownership and registration history:
http://jetphotos.net/census/aircraft2.p ... d=GULF-525
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shiv
 Post subject: Re: Aircraft Recognition
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http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb280/brjingo/Mysteryjet-small.jpg
Came out about the same time as the DH Vampire.


Give up. What is it?
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Merril
 Post subject: Re: Aircraft Recognition
PostPosted: 20 Jul 2012 10:08 
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^^ thats the Sud-Ouest SO 8000 Narval.

Had to google for that :)
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shiv
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Merril wrote:
^^ thats the Sud-Ouest SO 8000 Narval.

Had to google for that :)


Very interesting thanks. I learned something new today :)
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Victor
 Post subject: Re: Aircraft Recognition
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Merril wrote:
^^ thats the Sud-Ouest SO 8000 Narval.

Had to google for that :)

It was a puzzling design for a shipboard fighter considering that an arrester hook looked impossible to work on it.
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Kannan
 Post subject: Re: Aircraft Recognition
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Victor wrote:
Merril wrote:
^^ thats the Sud-Ouest SO 8000 Narval.

Had to google for that :)

It was a puzzling design for a shipboard fighter considering that an arrester hook looked impossible to work on it.


I would hate to be in that thing if the catapult failed! :shock:
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indranilroy
 Post subject: Re: Aircraft Recognition
PostPosted: 27 Jul 2012 05:08 
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Kannan sahab which aircraft would you like to be in if the catapult failed? :wink:

Victor sahab, not all aircrafts required tails hooks ... the Hercules landed on AC without any hooks. you would need planes with high lift creating surfaces, a strong engine and strong brakes.
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Kannan
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indranilroy wrote:
Kannan sahab which aircraft would you like to be in if the catapult failed? :wink:

Victor sahab, not all aircrafts required tails hooks ... the Hercules landed on AC without any hooks. you would need planes with high lift creating surfaces, a strong engine and strong brakes.


Fair point. :)

That said, pretty much anything else! A jet would buy you a decent amount of time, but the p-factor and torque for a pusher prop at high power and high angle of attack would pretty much make an ejection seat worthless once you left the deck.

Then you throw in the disadvantages of having a t-tail plane.. I'd like to know what the designer was thinking :shock:
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indranilroy
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HE was just trying to have the higher power at lower speeds of a turboprop with the clean air over the wings of a pusher configuration. Once you have a pusher configuration, you don't want the rudder in the propwash, so close to the propellers. Hence the dual rudder configuration.
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pentaiah
 Post subject: Re: Aircraft Recognition
PostPosted: 09 Sep 2012 13:42 
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different angle


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The Narval was an experimental twin boom pusher attack aircraft initially powered by a 2100 hp
SNECMA Arsenal 12H-00 engine (basically the German Junkers Jumo 213). It was first publicly
shown at the December, 1949 Paris Air Show (a Salon, rather than a flying, event). It was intend-ed to use
surplus SNECMA engines from the Nord 1400 flying boat program. A future version(the SNCASO 8010) was planned,
using a pure jet engine. In the event, the design was shelved. There were evidently some flight characteristic
problems with it. The aircraft above was the firstprototype.
The second prototype flew in April 1949 and was civil registered F-WFKV.
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shiv
 Post subject: Re: Aircraft Recognition
PostPosted: 07 Oct 2012 08:32 
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nakul
 Post subject: Re: Aircraft Recognition
PostPosted: 07 Oct 2012 11:39 
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NAL_Saras
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shiv
 Post subject: Re: Aircraft Recognition
PostPosted: 07 Oct 2012 11:57 
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nakul wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NAL_Saras


That is why I put a smiley on the photo. It is the Embraer CBA 123. I had never heard of this until someone commented on my Saras video on Youtube.
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atreya
 Post subject: Re: Aircraft Recognition
PostPosted: 07 Oct 2012 19:51 
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Wow, that got me too Shiv saar! Very hard to distinguish though.
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Prithwiraj
 Post subject: Re: Aircraft Recognition
PostPosted: 20 Oct 2012 09:28 
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shiv wrote:
nakul wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NAL_Saras


That is why I put a smiley on the photo. It is the Embraer CBA 123. I had never heard of this until someone commented on my Saras video on Youtube.


The picture is still that of Saras I think...

below is CBA-123

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Bob V
 Post subject: Re: Aircraft Recognition
PostPosted: 20 Oct 2012 11:31 
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shiv wrote:
:D
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Check the name on the port side of the nose and also the marking (VT-XRM). This was the second prototype that tragically crashed. How could joo miss this daktir sahib ?
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shiv
 Post subject: Re: Aircraft Recognition
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Bob V wrote:

Check the name on the port side of the nose and also the marking (VT-XRM). This was the second prototype that tragically crashed. How could joo miss this daktir sahib ?

LOL Sure it's not PT-ZVB or ZVE?

Check the name of the image. I got it off a site purporting to show the cba 123. But that does not mean that you are wrong. the image may be mislabelled
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http://images.picturesdepot.com/photo/e/embraer_fma_cba_123_vector_taking_off-20440.jpg



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Victor
 Post subject: Re: Aircraft Recognition
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An earlier post on the Vector and its developent:
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5098&p=1303430&hilit=vector#p1303430
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Bob V
 Post subject: Re: Aircraft Recognition
PostPosted: 20 Oct 2012 18:24 
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Two more visual indicators:
1) main landing gear doors ( absent on the Saras)
2) engine cowlings :-
The P&W engines(on Saras) have a unique cowling shape near the intake.
Notice the same on the Garrets on the E123.

PS: that airfield bears close resemblance to the old one at Bangalore,Kerala with its shining flags.
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shiv
 Post subject: Re: Aircraft Recognition
PostPosted: 20 Oct 2012 18:54 
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Bob V wrote:
Two more visual indicators:
1) main landing gear doors ( absent on the Saras)
2) engine cowlings :-
The P&W engines(on Saras) have a unique cowling shape near the intake.
Notice the same on the Garrets on the E123.

PS: that airfield bears close resemblance to the old one at Bangalore,Kerala with its shining flags.


I Googled for CBA 123 and found this Saras photo labelled as CBA 123. It looked so much like Saras that I posted it and failed to realize that it was the Saras. Otherwise the nose of the CBA 123 is quite different. And the intake cowling as you say.

But I have never heard of CBA 123
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PratikDas
 Post subject: Re: Aircraft Recognition
PostPosted: 24 Oct 2012 03:30 
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Interesting comparison

Saras
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CBA123
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Edited to replace Sara with Saras!


Last edited by PratikDas on 24 Oct 2012 10:46, edited 1 time in total.

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Gurneesh
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PostPosted: 24 Oct 2012 03:41 
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Very nice photo of saras :twisted:
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PostPosted: 24 Oct 2012 05:37 
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PratikDas wrote:
Interesting comparison

Saras
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CBA123
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Gurneesh wrote:
Very nice photo of saras :twisted:



Don't know about you guys, but I prefer the 'engines' on the Saras - they can prop my turbo anytime :P


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shiv
 Post subject: Re: Aircraft Recognition
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Sara is better looking that Saras and CBA123 put together
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Krishnakg
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^^^ Sara's twin push engines are aerodynamic and well rounded, definitely "outstanding" I say. 8) 8)
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:P :P :P
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PratikDas
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Cross-posting from LCA thread
shiv wrote:
Pratik Das please recheck your Saras photo in the aircraft recognition thread. 8)


Forgive me, Hakim ji, but I see not what you do. I hope the title CBA123 for the second image in my post above was noticed.

What I do see is that the Saras line drawing looks almost exactly like VT-XSD:

VT-XSD
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Source: aero-news.net

Saras line drawing (ok, the file name reads SARA.jpg)
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Source: doc8643.com

Please enlighten!

Edited to replace Sara with Saras!


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shiv
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PratikDas wrote:

Please enlighten!


The Saras image shows a topless young woman with a request that you should link the site directly rather than posting an online image. Presumably the bare breasted young lady is called "Sara". Perhaps the image is cached on your computer that prevents you from seeing what the rest of us are seeing.
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PratikDas
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Thank you. The jokes now make a lot of sense. :D
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