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ss_roy wrote:
So, why not try? Why are Indians afraid of partial failure? How can you learn if you don't fail once in a while? Paradoxically, trying to not fail is usually far more expensive and fruitless than accepting a reasonable risk of failure.
IMO the problem here is lumping all Indians into one.
All Indians don't fail if a design fails. But the Indians who were not involved in the design mock those who were on the design team and call them incompetents. Even as recently as ten years ago I used to hear from Indians who considered themselves to have "made it" in the US say that India's environment is bad and that making it in the US is a sign of success and they too would point out "failures" in India to highlight their own success.
Indians are afraid of partial failure because they will be treated as a lower caste of incompetents by other Indians for that reason.
negi wrote:Merlin just a question are we sure it is a Snecma core or Kaveri core with certain components sourced from Snecma along with technical assistance ?
From all news reports so far, it will be the complete Snecma core that replaces the Kabini core. GTRE then won't be able to add much if the core itself is non-Indian. Even now quite a few of the hot section parts are supplied by Snecma and not made here and that percentage is going to increase, not decrease as it should.
A re-design will happen only after a design gets implemented and feeds back into the process for corrections and/or refinement.
It is a continuous improvement process one has to be committed to improve upon. Without re-design, Kaveri would not have come to K9 level.
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I MHO, Snecma is not needed if GTRE can do it all by itself. Now that it has gone successful, and IAF will roll on GE, Kaveri can proceed on re-design front without Snecma's help. We can save a lot of money.
The thing is that even after this successful test, GTRE engine tech is 30 years behind today's state of the art. They have to close the gap somehow, and if this Snecma core helps in some area, it will be worth it.
GE Aviation and GE's Corporate Research Center have pursued CMC technology for more than 15 years.
CFM International, a 50/50 joint company of Snecma (SAFRAN GROUP) and GE, will run a Leap-X demonstrator engine in 2010 with CMC components as CFM pursues technologies for next-generation engines for narrowbody aircraft.
merlin wrote:From all news reports so far, it will be the complete Snecma core that replaces the Kabini core. GTRE then won't be able to add much if the core itself is non-Indian. Even now quite a few of the hot section parts are supplied by Snecma and not made here and that percentage is going to increase, not decrease as it should.
Yes that is the case , the Snecma-Kaveri is for name sake Kaveri ,as most of the hot parts and core will be supplied by Snecma with no likely hood of any TOT and any thing the Kaveri team can learn , one of the key reason IAF opposed to JV with Snecma for the new Kaveri.
MOD though would most likely go ahead with this deal for more practical reasons.
Till date Kaveri has not been able to achieve the performance of RD-33 and F404 engines, hence we are 30 years behind the curve. I think that Kaveri "programme" is a failure due to "inadequate" budget granted by Babu. Within this peanut amount GTRE has done reasonably well but Indian babu has wasted 60 years giving useless small amounts to GTRE. As both the Kaveri core and LP will be discarded for Kaveri-french-US$ 2 Billion label-JV therefore as of now GTRE has produced nothing. KMGT engine is very very far away unlike what people think here.
