Bharat Rakshak

Foreign military and direct commercial sales – "no known offsets" and FMF

My doubts on this deal

FMS is a no-offsets agreement

Five of the 10 aircraft will be delivered by next year and the other five in 2014, he said. The deal for supplying ten C-17 aircraft is USD 4.1 billion.

Boeing was also set to deliver first of the maritime petrol airplane, Poseidon P8-I, early next year to the Indian Navy, he told PTI at the Singapore Airshow being held from February 14 to 19. The P8-1 contract is worth USD 2.1 billion.

Boeing is also negotiating to supply 22 AH64 Apache helicopters and 15 CH 47 Chinook helicopters, the Boeing officials said. The Chinook contract is at industrial proposal discussion stage which includes modification to the helicopters to Indian specification," said Lewis.

Boeing was also set to deliver first of the maritime petrol airplane, Poseidon P8-I

WRIGHT-PATTERSON AFB, Ohio, 3 Feb. 2012. Aircraft manufacturers at the Boeing Co. (NYSE:BA) Defense, Space & Security segment in Long Beach, Calif., will build 10 C-17 Globemaster III military cargo jets for the Indian Air Force in New Delhi, India, under terms of a $1.8 billion contract modification announced Thursday from the U.S. Air Force Aeronautical Systems Center at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in Dayton, Ohio. The aircraft sale is part of the Foreign Military Sales program.

Aircraft manufacturers at the Boeing Co. (NYSE:BA) Defense, Space & Security segment in Long Beach, Calif., will build 10 C-17 Globemaster III military cargo jets for the Indian Air Force in New Delhi, India, under terms of a $1.8 billion contract modification announced Thursday from the U.S. Air Force Aeronautical Systems Center at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in Dayton, Ohio. The aircraft sale is part of the Foreign Military Sales program.

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However, unless new orders come in next month or early in the second quarter, Boeing will have to take the risk of buying parts that take a long time to build in order to keep production going beyond mid-2014, in hopes of landing new orders later.

My doubts on this deal

1) First of all, how much are we paying for Beoing C-17's is It $4.1 Billion inclusive of Engines and all contracts , $ 4.1 Billion +$380 Mil for Engines + $1.7 billion mentioned above.

2) US is paying $963 mil for 5 aircraft - 193 mil a piece

3) UK is paying $316 mil.

I know there are offsets and we are purchasing related infra. But why should offsets increase price, things in India can be done cheaper. Infrasture worth $2 Billion. There is just not enough transperency regarding this deal or C-130 why we are paying $200 mil per aircraft.

MOSCOW. March 6 (Interfax) - PD-14M, a new version of the PD-14 engine, could be installed in a Russian-Indian multipurpose transport aircraft, a source in the Russian defense industry told Interfax-AVN.

"PD-14M engines designed by Perm-based Aviadvigatel are offered for installation in the multipurpose transport aircraft," the source said.

The new engine version has improved take-off traction of 15.6 tonnes. The take-off traction of the engine's basic version, which is installed in the MS-21-300 aircraft, is 14 tonnes, he said.

The multipurpose transport aircraft (MRTA) is a tactical-strategic military transport aircraft. It is designed to carry personnel (up to 140 soldiers and 90 paratroopers). The aircraft may be based at mountainous airfields (up to 3,300 meters above the sea-level). The take-off weight is 68 tonnes. It can carry up to 20 tonnes. The flying range is 2,000 - 4,700 kilometers depending on the load. The ferry range is 7,300 kilometers. The aircraft's first flight is expected in 2016.

Before it they were all Diesel.
muahahahhaha.

The new engine version has improved take-off traction of 15.6 tonnes. The take-off traction of the engine's basic version, which is installed in the MS-21-300 aircraft, is 14 tonnes, he said.

Back in 2009, the countries clinched the biggest bilateral deal in Ukrainian aviation history to modernize military cargo planes owned by the Indian Air Force.

The upgraded An-32s have updated equipment for operation from airfields up to four thousand meters above the sea level as well as in hot conditions.

The upgrades will help in increasing payload carrying capacity of the aircraft from around 6.7 tonnes to 7.5 tonnes and aim to prolong the airplanes' service life to 40 years.

Meanwhile, the Indian Air Force assures that not a single Ukrainian plane has been meant to participate in any warfare.

Ukrainian and Indian officials assured that those military cargo planes are to be used for transportation and humanitarian missions.
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Video 3rd batch of Ukrainian modernized An-32s light transport planes to fly back to India

The upgraded An-32s have updated equipment for operation from airfields up to four thousand meters above the sea level as well as in hot conditions.

The upgrades will help in increasing payload carrying capacity of the aircraft from around 6.7 tonnes to 7.5 tonnes and aim to prolong the airplanes' service life to 40 years.

The 3 year contract that was signed December of 2009 worth $110 million by OJSC Motor Sich and IAF, the AI-20 engines are also to be upgraded.

Chiru-saar, now that you mention it, it was indeed a dual engine craft and couldnt have been the C-130.

Wonder what it was then since it seemed to been the air for a long time...Doubt if it was a HS-748 since it seemed spanking new and painted in nice gray colour.

Before it they were all Diesel.
muahahahhaha.

@sum sir I'm not sure abt it bieng a hs-748 either, any expert gurus can share their views

Israel Aerospace Industries (IAI) is proposing aerial tanker versions of business jets such as the Gulfstream G550. At the Singapore Airshow earlier this month, a company official told AIN that its small and smart tactical tanker (SSTT) is still only a proposal, aimed at reducing the costs of aerial refueling training. But the idea has obvious application to long-range strike operations by combat jets, such as the Israeli Air Force might be tasked to carry out against Iranian nuclear sites. An IAI brochure depicts an SSTT refueling from a bigger tanker before proceeding in formation with four fighters to refuel them further within 100 miles of a target. The IAI official also told AIN that the company’s first Boeing 767 Multi-Mission Tanker Transport would fly within the next few months. The Israeli Air Force is interested in using IAI-converted 767s in a dual role as a tanker and VIP transport, he added.

NEW DELHI, March 29 (Bernama) -- The Indian Air Force will have all the 10 Boeing C-17 Globemaster III airlifters by August 2014, Patrick Druez who is in charge of Business Development Global Mobility Systems Boeing Defense, Space & Security, said.

India will take delivery of the first C-17 in June 2013.

"The C-17 met all Indian Air Force requirements in high altitude and hot environment where other airlifters can't," he said at a media briefing on the sidelines of the Defence Expo here Thursday.

NEW DELHI: India is working on developing its very own 90-seater civilian aircraft with the Council for Scientific and Industrial Research (CSIR) saying "the strategy for its production has already been evolved" with the design "planned to have unique features like enhanced fuel efficiency, use of bio fuel with low carbon footprint, short to long range haul, shorter air strip requirement and ultra modern avionics".

A design bureau has been set up to undertake indigenous design and development of the plane, called the National Civil Aircraft (NCA-90). A total of seven prototypes are proposed to be developed by CSIR along with the National Aerospace Laboratories (NAL) "to prove the design and demonstrate compliance with respect to airworthiness requirements and certification".

The Planning Commission says the aircraft will be tailored to suit market requirements and will have attractive operating economics. It estimates that "the design and development of the aircraft would cost Rs 4,355 crore. The estimated series production cost would be another Rs 3,200 crore".

Confirming this to TOI, Dr Sudeep Kumar, head of CSIR's planning and performance division, said, "We have set up two separate committees - one for joint venture development that is looking for a corporate group or groups who will join us in developing the aircraft from scratch and then will commercially produce it. The second committee is a technical one which is overlooking the entire project of developing the aircraft."

Dr Kumar added, "The Council has already had talks with the Tata group and will soon meet with Mahindra Aerospace to look for partnership."

Bangalore-based NAL had earlier developed India's first multi purpose 14-seater civilian aircraft Saras. But on March 6, 2009, two IAF test pilots along with a flight test engineer were killed when the second prototype crashed 30 km from Bangalore.

"Saras was 14-seater while NCA is 90-seater. NCA will also be a state-of-the-art machine. We have been asked by the Planning Commission to move a Cabinet note," Dr Kumar said.

According to the CSIR, most developed countries have their own national aircraft. "It is a niche technology. No country wants to share it with others. India has its desired expertise through NAL to develop its very own national civilian aircraft," Dr Kumar said.

Developing the NCA-90, officials say, will not only put India as part of this elite group but will also develop the ancillary industry. "We will have our own maintenance services and spare parts will be available within the country," Dr Kumar added.

The report of the Planning Commission working group in mega science and global alliances for the 12th five year plan says there is a general consensus that India must launch its own civil aircraft development programme.

"It is proposed that the design and development phase to be substantially funded by the government with participation of technical partners whereas the production phases are to be managed through a joint venture with majority partnership from the private sector. While advantage will be taken of the facilities that already exist by way of test-rigs and test-plants, provision has been made towards suitable augmentation and build-up of new facilities," it added.

If China could build a huge manufacturing plant for A-320s,instead of trying to build their own version,why could we not also have done a JV as we are doing with Russia for the MTA?

Airbus unveils first Chinese-made A320
Updated 5/18/2009

The first Airbus A320 aircraft assembled outside of Europe lands at Tianjin Binhai International Airport following a four hour test flight. Airbus anticipates strong sales as China expands domestic air service.

The first Airbus A320 aircraft assembled outside of Europe lands at Tianjin Binhai International Airport following a four hour test flight. Airbus anticipates strong sales as China expands domestic air service.

SHANGHAI (AP) — The first Airbus A320 jet assembled outside Europe made its maiden flight Monday after its assembly in the northeastern Chinese city of Tianjin.

The Airbus Final Assembly Line China, or FALC, in Tianjin plans to begin deliveries to customers in June, European Aeronautics Defense and Space Co. said in a statement.

The jet successfully conducted a four-hour flight from the Tianjin International Airport, it said.

The plant is expected to be able to produce four A320s a month by 2011 and a total of about 300 A320 planes by 2016.

"This A320 assembled in China unquestionably demonstrated the same quality and performance as those assembled and delivered in Hamburg or Toulouse," Fernando Alonso, senior vice president for Flight & Integration Tests at Airbus said.