China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

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I contantly try to tell everybody that if you put sensitive information on a computer that is in *any* way linked to the internet it is out the door. Hacked. Why? Becuase some damn fool will get an email and despite the email's provenance will go ahead and open it. Or, while surfing the net go to a web site that will attempt to update their software with a fake security certificate. You. Can't. Stop. Them. From. Doing. It.

Plus the US has the particular problem of hiring Chinese nationals (non American citizens) to do contract work for the government. Many of the Chinese nationals do it while in the US on student visas. I didn't know that you can work in the US while visiting on a student visa but it makes sense because many of them work on research projects while serving as graduate assistants and they get paid as research assistants. So there you go. Out the door there, too. And there is never any repercussion to the hiring contractor.

An open society is at a disadvantage in security matters.
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Most likely US too is aggressively hacking into Chinas network and trying to take away any bit of information they get their hands on , After all what does the billion Dollar funded NSA do sit quite while China hacks its way into US Defence network.

Its a hack war played by both US and China and most likely both nation have their fair share of success and failure penetrating each other network.
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I think it's a common misconception that all computers are hacked by geeks sitting miles away from their intended victims.

Also no county is stupid enough to put such information on extranets. All of these systems are on secure intranet. Even India has this mechanism (for AFNet and Army's Intranet), you can assume Amrekies are far ahead in this.

Most of these systems are compromised by people working within the system. And looking at the sensivity of data huge amount of money must be involved.

P.S. there are always one of incidents where contractors or person in high position might carry such info in thier portable devices which have higher chances of being compromised.
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China to Seek More Equal Footing With U.S. in Talks
He dispensed with the big upholstered chairs that have for decades been the signature of the Great Hall of the People, and seated opposite the American adviser, Tom Donilon, at a long polished wooden table got immediately to the point.

The relationship between the United States and China stood at a “critical juncture,” he said, and it was time to explore “a new type of great power relationship.”
Mr. Xi’s blunt focus on a new relationship with the United States puts that notion at the center of the summit meeting, Chinese and American analysts said, although few were sure what specifically Mr. Xi, who is regarded as a man of big ambitions and a friend of the military, had in mind.

Even before assuming the presidency in March, Mr. Xi mentioned the desire for a new relationship, alluding to it on his visit to Washington as vice president in February 2012.

Earlier this year, officials from the Foreign Ministry met with professors of international relations in Beijing to discuss how to best define the “great power relationship,” but no one knew how to flesh it out, several professors said.

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Time for India to recalibrate. End of the Shivsnakar Menon era IMHO.

The events occurring along the LAC too need to be seen in this light. China is forcing the issue and will seek movement on the border matter.
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He probably can't do much with Sonia heading the government. He seems to have done good work though with whatever leeway he gets.
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From Bloomberg: China Nuclear Weapons Stock Grows as India Matches Pakistan Rise
China, which has the world’s second-largest military budget behind the U.S., expanded its nuclear-weapons arsenal last year, with India and Pakistan also bolstering their stockpiles, a research institute said.

The three added an estimated 10 warheads each to their inventories, with China’s arsenal now reaching 250 devices, the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute said today in releasing a new yearbook. Pakistan holds 100 to 120 units and India 90 to 110, while North Korea may have as many as eight warheads with an uncertain operational status, it said.
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The pic description suggest Chinese Russian negotiation on Su-35
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Chinese Stealth Bomber designs
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Production Z-10s looking good, going by this pic. And based on reports/anecdotes, the PLA is really busy absorbing attack helicopters into its arsenal on the US model.

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Don't want to seem it like nitpick, but the helicopter in photo is airbrushed too much. I know that it's a common practice, but still..
BTW, what gun is this ? Nexter ?
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jamwal wrote:BTW, what gun is this ? Nexter ?
Unsure of which company it belongs but is a 23mm caliber to keep down the weight.

But you raise a good question. Need to look into where these chin turrets are coming from for the Chinese helos.
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China's defence ministry calls for international vigilance against Japan's military plans news.

China's defence ministry today unveiled a report today calling for international vigilance over Japan's plans to beef up military security, as also the possible acquisition of the ability to hit enemy bases. (Chipanda browning its Pants at the thought of a Militarily active and resurgent Japan)

Japan's proposal, a departure from the constraints of its pacifist constitution, comes as part of a defence policy review by prime minister Shinzo Abe's government, which released an interim report on the issue yesterday. Final review conclusions would come up by the year-end.

Japan's ministry of defence said it would consider acquiring unmanned surveillance drones, build a force of marines to secure remote islands, including those disputed with China, and also boost the capability of troop transportation to far-flung isles.

"The sections about China in this report by Japan are playing on the same old themes, exaggerating the military threat from China, and have ulterior motives," China's defence ministry said in a statement on its website."This year, Japan has come up with all kinds of excuses to continue to expand its armaments ... creating tensions in the region. These moves deserve the highest vigilance from neighboring countries in Asia and from the international community," it said. (Yeah right its has got nothing to do with China's aggresive posturing in the south china sea, Chinese govt thinks like it does its citizens it can manipulate the entire world)

Abe, who is known for his hawkish stance on territorial and security matters, took office in December for a rare second term. He had pledged to ratchet military spending to cope with what Japan saw as an increasingly threatening security environment, including an assertive China and an unpredictable North Korea.

Abe, who is on a visit to the Philippines, told president Benigno Aquino III during talks in Manila today that Japan would provide 10 cutters for its coast guard to help counter recent maritime advances by China.

The vessels would be provided under the government's official development assistance programme.

Keeping in view China' actions in the region, the two leaders agreed on boosting cooperation between the defence authorities and coast guards of their respective nations.

Speaking at a joint news conference following the meeting, Abe said, "We will strengthen our relationship as partners who share many strategic interests."

Aquino hailed the Japanese initiative as a major pillar of the strategic partnership.

He pledged to maintain international rule of law and to resolve territorial disputes and maritime issues in a fair and peaceful manner.

The Philippines and China are locked in a territorial dispute over the Scarborough Shoal in the South China Sea, which China calls Huangyan Island. Philipines on its part, has submitted a request for arbitration to the International Tribunal for the Law of the Sea, which has not met with any response from China.
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Front page article in The Chindu about India extending a 100 million credit line to Vietnam for acquiring patrol boats , and Brahmos coming soon to the table.

I'll tell you this; if there is one nation China fears, apart from the US and Japan, it is Vietnam. These guys have fought and thrown out, the French, the Americans and the Chinese.

We should arm them well. I'm sure our investment will pay off more than what China's has, in Pakistan.
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[quote="vivek_ahuja"]Production Z-10s looking good, going by this pic. And based on reports/anecdotes, the PLA is really busy absorbing attack helicopters into its arsenal on the US model.

is it related to this guy

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurocopter_Tiger
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Over the past two decades, Russia and China have dramatically strengthened their ties. They resolved their long-running border disputes, increased bilateral trade from $5 billion in 2000 to nearly $90 billion last year, and speak in one voice on most global issues. Russia has helped China modernise its military with large-scale supplies of weapons and technologies, and the two countries are forging close military-to-military ties.

China still considers vast territories in the Russian Far East as unfairly annexed from it in the 19th century.

All these territories fall within China’s “strategic borders” that stretch far beyond its geographic border to guarantee “living space” for the country.

Russia-China defence ties are at a high but as the recent exercises by the Russian Army in Siberia revealed, Moscow is immensely wary of its powerful eastern neighbour
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++1, but we need to barter with myannmar.
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NEWS/news ... wsid=20309
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Unlike China, we do not have deep pockets and we do not act swiftly to seize an emerging situation. We need friends such as the US or Japan to fund while we can do the training etc for the Myanmarese armed forces. Japanese Maritime Self Defence Force ships called on Myanmar ports recently. Coinciding with the visit of the JMSDF vessels to Myanmar was the visit of the Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe himself (a first visit by a Japanese PM to Myanmar in 35 years). We need to realize that 70% of Chinese arms are exported to India’s neighbourhood. Pakistan accounts for 55 per cent, Bangladesh and Myanmar about 13 per cent and Sri Lanka two per cent. We need to remove that dependency of Myanmar on Chinese products with the help of US & Japan. We simply cannot do it alone. In the East Asia Summit (EAS) at Bali last year, Myanmar was one of the two countries (the other being Cambodia) which did not raise the issue of maritime security while the remaining 16 countries spoke about it. There has to be an alliance.
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sounds like an excellent plan.. we can be the integrators and trainers and implementors of plans.. funds from western nations against communist regimes, materials and military equipments on a shared revenue model, and
India takes the role of implemenation and operationalizing the whole game plan.
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Rumored to be a new class of LHA/LHD's, around Wasp class' size at about 40k displacement.
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makes sense. such ships with strong ASW helicopters can sanitize and control large areas, plus provide marines for island squatting campaigns in the green water belt.
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myanmar is an example where indian diplomacy has been successful and has brought the US and her pacific poodles along to the same point of view. everyone understands that influence over myanmar is critical for containment of chinese expansionism
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incidentally, has anyone looked into PLAN tanker/replenishment ship strength? if they are going to dominate the IOR and even the POR, they should have significant numbers?
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they have 5 oilers, plus 2 building
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ac ... ent_oilers

there is a small collection of troop transport, food and supply ships not fit for UNREP but oriented to supplying their squatter camps and reef stilt houses in all corners of the sea.
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Interesting Description of Varyag

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i am thinking the ski jump is the most vulnerable part of any strike on a/c. blow away that section of the jump area with a missile or two and then the control tower.
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I love surgical strikes. But, would blowing up the whole ship be an option?
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Another photo of Wz-10
http://i.imgur.com/73BCH2F.jpg

Looks good. Can anyone explain the blurry background just around the chopper's body ?
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looks photoshopped.
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RoyG wrote:looks photoshopped.
Without a doubt. :P
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jamwal wrote:Another photo of Wz-10
http://i.imgur.com/73BCH2F.jpg

Looks good. Can anyone explain the blurry background just around the chopper's body ?
Camera focus is on the chopper with wide aperture. Closer leaves/trees are more in focus than those farther away. Also, heat from the engines will blur the air around the chopper.
RoyG wrote:looks photoshopped
What looks photoshopped? Does the chopper not exist? Is it a model?
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RoyG wrote:looks photoshopped.
If so then many of USAF pictures are Photoshopped

Eg :
http://www.wallpaperdev.com/stock/helic ... -photo.jpg

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http://static3.businessinsider.com/imag ... ground.jpg
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its the HOT downwash, that causes the blurring, it pretty common thing.
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This particular picture looks computer rendered graphics.

No one is denying they got a capable Heli, just commenting on this one.
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WZ-10 is a Nice looking chopper clean smooth design western style also has some Kamovish style because it was involved in it.

http://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/ ... helicopter
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http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 600977.cms?
Are we serious enough to consider all these as not jokes?
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What's happening at Gwadar? Take a look at this pic in the link.

http://osimint.com/2013/08/02/what-is-o ... ns-gwadar/
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From Times Of India: Chinese troops stop Army from patrolling in Indian territory
LEH/NEW DELHI: Amid a spate of incursions by China in Ladakh, its troops are also resorting to tactics like preventing Indian Army from patrolling posts in this sector along the border which was well within India's territory.

In what is being described as an aggressive approach by China, the tactics have come to the fore in the wake of yet another incident last week when Indian troops launched its patrol "Tiranga" from Trade Junction area in north of Ladakh for two posts located 14 km up in the higher reaches along the line of actual control (LAC).

The Indian Army personnel were stopped by Chinese troops who came mounted on heavy and light vehicles, official sources said on Sunday.

The patrol party was shown a banner that it was Chinese territory and that they cannot proceed to the posts, they said.

The sources said the Chinese troops were aggressive in their approach while stopping the Indian patrol who were at their posts.

These posts are well inside Indian territory, the sources said, adding that from April this year, the patrol for these forward bases were launched 21 times and only twice it could complete its mission.

Chinese have erected an observation post which kept a vigil on movement of Indian troops and as soon as an Indian patrol party is ready to leave, they are intercepted midway and sent back, the sources said, adding the matter would be taken up during the next Border Personnel Meeting (BPM) at Chushul.

In the same sector in Ladakh, there were instances when Chinese military vehicles were spotted in Depsang Bulge and Daulat Beg Oldi(DBO) sector where the two armies had seen a 21-day stand-off from April 15 this year.

Indian troops comprising mainly Indo-Tibetan Border Police(ITBP) immediately swung into action and prevented the "free-run" of Chinese military vehicles in the Indian territory.

In the last BPM meeting held on July 27, India also raised objections to a tower being constructed in the Chinese side on the LAC in Demchok-Fukhche sector.

During the meeting with the Chinese side which was led by Colonel Wang Jun Xian, the Indian side said the construction was in violation of peace and tranquality agreement signed between the two countries in 1993.

According to the agreement, no construction work has to be undertaken at the LAC by either country.

The Chinese side claimed that the tower was actually a weather station for the benefit of the people of the area and instead informed the Indian delegation that its Army was engaged in military activities in Fukhche.

The Indian side led by Brigadier Sanjeev Rai told the Chinese team that PLA troops were regularly entering into the Indian area, sources said.

It gave instances like on July 16 and 19 when the Chinese troops entered 1.2km deep into Indian territory, on July 17 (2.5km), on July 20 (aggressive patrol entered 200 metres) and intervening night of July 25-26 (3.5km).

These incursions mainly happened in Chumar and Demchok areas, located 300km from Leh.

The sources said that the "assertive posturing" by the Chinese troops was a worrying trend which had been seen lately after the April 15 faceoff at the DBO sector.

Chumar is the last town after which Himachal Pradesh starts. This area also has the distinction of having a defined international border with China. This area is not accessible from the Chinese side whereas the Indian side has a road almost to the last point on which the army can carry a load upto nine tonnes.

All Indian units located along the LAC have been asked to maintain a tight vigil in their area of responsibilities (AOR) and launch frequent patrols to the higher reaches, the sources said.
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