China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

[member_22539]

^^Sour grapes

[Don]

http://my.news.yahoo.com/japans-incomin ... 00981.html

Japan's incoming PM pledges to mend ties with China

By Kyoko Hasegawa | AFP News – 4 hours ago

Japan's incoming premier on Saturday pledged to seek a thaw in ties with China after a report said he will send a special envoy on a fence-mending mission to Beijing.

Ties between Japan and China have become increasingly strained over a disputed island chain -- the Tokyo-controlled Senkakus, which Beijing calls the Diaoyus -- with neither side willing to budge after months of bitter wrangling.

"I want to make efforts to return to the starting point of developing the mutually beneficial relationship based on common strategic interests," Shinzo Abe told reporters.

"The Japan-China relationship is one of extremely important bilateral ties," he said.

The comments came after the business daily Nikkei reported Abe will send Masahiko Komura, the vice president of his Liberal Democratic Party, to deliver a letter to Chinese authorities next month.

They also came a day after China sent ships into territorial waters around the disputed islands, in the first incursion since Japan elected a new government.

"I will shoulder grave responsibility (for Japan's future)," Abe, who will officially be appointed as prime minister on Wednesday, told supporters in his constituency in western Japan earlier Saturday.

"My mission is to bring a breakthrough in the serious situations we face in economy, diplomacy, and education."

Abe said Friday he will dispatch former finance minister Fukushiro Nukaga to deliver a letter to South Korea's president-elect Park Geun-Hye, who also triumphed in national elections just days ago.

Tokyo is embroiled in a separate row with Seoul over a different set of islets, with tensions flaring up earlier this year after outgoing South Korean president Lee Myung-Bak paid a sudden visit to the disputed territory.

"Abe intends to improve frayed ties with South Korea and with China by sending special envoys," the Nikkei said, without citing sources.

Abe's sweeping parliamentary victory on Sunday was greeted with caution in Beijing and Seoul, with China saying it was "highly concerned" over Japan's future direction under the new government.

In one of his first broadcast interviews after the parliamentary win, Abe said there was no room for compromise on the sovereignty of the disputed islands, calling them "Japan's inherent territory", and putting the onus for improved relations on Beijing.

Despite warm words about the importance of economic ties with Beijing -- China is Japan's biggest trading partner -- Abe stressed the need to build relations with other countries, such as India and Australia.

Analysts have said at least some of this could be posturing, with some believing Abe's LDP will have easier communication with China due to the contacts it developed during its more than half a century rule before it was ousted in 2009.

Abe said Saturday there was "no change in our plans to study" stationing officials on the disputed islands -- a controversial policy option that would further provoke Beijing.
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[Sagar G]

'Banquet ban' for China military

Elaborate state-funded banquets have been banned for China's top military officials, state media has reported.

The move comes after a diktat from central government earlier this month that aimed to curb extravagance and tackle corruption.

Xinhua news agency says receptions for high-ranking officers will no longer feature luxury banquets or alcohol.

The diktat, passed on 4 December, has also now sparked similar rules for civilian officials in Beijing.

The Communist Party's Central Committee, which includes civilian and military personnel, dictated eight ways that officials needed to change their working practices.

In line with the diktat, the military has now ruled out welcome banners, red carpets, floral arrangements, and souvenirs.

Officials will also no longer be allowed to stay in luxury hotels during inspection tours and vehicles will not be allowed to make excessive use of sirens.

"Military Commission officials are also required to discipline their spouses, children and subordinates and make sure they do not take bribes," the Xinhua report said.

In a separate report, Xinhua said the Beijing Municipality had become the first local authority to introduce the rules for its civilian staff.

Beijing officials on business will now have simple buffets, rather than banquets.

China's new leader Xi Jinping has repeatedly warned of unrest if corruption and perceived privilege within the Communist Party are not tackled.

The country's political leadership has been rocked by a scandal involving Bo Xilai, the former Chongqing party leader once seen as a candidate for top office.

His wife has been jailed for murdering a British businessman and he awaits trial on charges of corruption and abuse of power.

[Chinmayanand]

^^^Looks like a positive news.

[Don]

http://chinaincentralasia.com/2012/12/0 ... /#more-501

China rapidly becoming primary player in post-war Central Asia
December 5, 2012
By Raffaello Pantucci and Alexandros Petersen
First published in Global Times December 5, 2012

China is on its way to becoming the most consequential actor in Central Asia. This isn’t a critical or a negative statement, but rather a reflection of a reality on the ground.

The heavy investments in Central Asian infrastructure and natural resources, the push to develop the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region, and China’s focus on developing the Shanghai Cooperation Organization into an economic player are slowly reorienting Central Asia toward China. None of this means that China is aiming to become a regional hegemon, but unless it is willing to write off considerable regional investment, it is going to find itself needing to engage in regional affairs in a more focused manner.

And these actions are likely to be interpreted regionally as hegemonic. A potentially very prosperous corner of the world, Central Asia, is in an early stage of development that could easily be pushed by instability in a wrong direction. China needs to prepare herself to step in and help resolve matters.

First among the potential storm clouds on the horizon is 2014 and the Western withdrawal from Afghanistan. The forces left behind will have a very limited and focused mandate. Their duty will be to protect diplomatic and aid communities and to focus on ensuring that groups like Al Qaeda cannot reform in Afghanistan and pose a threat to US or European interests. Their focus will not be on what the Taliban are doing in general or the instability that they might foster regionally. After over a decade of war, the Western public is tired of Afghanistan and has little appetite for war.

This casts a question over what is going to happen in Afghanistan post-2014, right on China’s border. China played a limited role in Afghanistan in the early years after the US invasion, but it has now invested considerable resources into the country that it will have to protect. It is also likely that instability in Afghanistan will have a knock-on effect into Central Asia, where China has even more investments. And all of this will end up having some sort of impact directly on Xinjiang, China’s long underdeveloped border region.

The US is in a very different position. It has security concerns from Central Asia and Afghanistan, but these will be addressed by the forces left behind. Some US companies have investments in Central Asia, but these are nowhere near as crucial as those made by Chinese firms.

As former national security adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski put it, the US is “too distant to be dominant in this part of Eurasia.” The reality is that the Pamir mountains are too high and the steppe too far away for the US to focus on the region.

China’s ascendant investments in Central Asia are something that also stands in contrast to Russia’s declining ones. This is a more complex picture, as Russia, for many of the same reasons as China, has a clear strategic interest in Central Asia. But it is no longer the regional hegemon that it once was.

Russia’s power has been diluted by growing Chinese interest and Western attention paid to the region as a strategic launching pad into Afghanistan.

On the one hand, Russia realizes that it has to do something about security post-2014 and so is investing military loans to Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan. But at the same time, its regional security organization, the Collective Security Treaty Organization, has lost one of its most important members, Uzbekistan.

Even more significant in some ways is the recent statement by Russian energy giant Gazprom that it needed to evaluate its position in Central Asia as it had noticed that the region’s producers were “reorienting themselves toward China.”

And while it is clear that Russia still has influence regionally, it is not Russian firms that are putting up buildings, laying down roads and rail or investing in rebuilding the underdeveloped region.

Russia may still exert considerable diplomatic influence and soft power in the region, but it is clearly not investing a huge amount in the region.

Instead, seen from the ground, the scope and range of Chinese investments is clear, and China is increasingly shaping itself to be the most consequential power in the region.

This reality may be unpalatable to China, but it is something that it cannot avoid.

China is increasingly reshaping Central Asia to becoming its backyard rather than Russia’s and this will bring with it some regional responsibilities that China has not yet figured out how to address. China needs to formulate a proper strategy for Central Asia.

[nash]

http://chinaincentralasia.com/2012/12/0 ... /#more-501

Can you tell us how and why people of Central Asia and Afghanistan will listen to china. If , a big IF, US left afghanistan after 2014.

Please answer the above Qs before pasting another link with full detail in Quote.

[Sagar G]

From the link right at the top there is a quote..

"Central Asia is the thickest piece of cake given to the modern Chinese by the heavens." ~ General Liu Yazhou of China's People's Liberation Army (PLA)

Chinese are as delusional as Pakis no wonder they go hand in hand with each other.

[chaanakya]

Clearly , they have not only imperialist thinking , a contradiction par excellence for peoples ideologists, but also think very low of Central Asian people claiming God gifted right to eat them ( Chinese are known to eat anything on earth that stirs ). SCO is not going to serve them well , if they think like this, in times of need. China's soft a$$ in the west is badly exposed.

And yet they have the temerity to call themselves Peoples Liberation Army. In Vivek scenario one Gen Liu survives brely bt the skin of his teeth in the confrontation of the Elephant and the dragon

[Don]

Maldives, Sri Lanka, Pakistan, Bangladesh and other South Asian countries continues to show their allegiance to China (even Nepal and Bhutan are now following). They know who is richer and stronger military by far.

http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/India ... t_999.html

http://www.china-defense-mashup.com/mal ... e-aid.html

Maldives-China military agreement to provide $3.2 million free aid

2012-12-17 — Maldives National Defence Force (MNDF) has revealed that the military agreement signed between Maldives and China would yield USD3.2 million in free aid.

In relation to the Defence Minister Mohamed Nazim’s official visit to China, MNDF said that the Chinese government has agreed to provide a marine ambulance to the Maldives.

Nazim who had visited China on an invitation from the Chinese Defence Minister and the State Counsel General Liang Guan Li, returned back to the Maldives on Sunday night.

In addition to signing the military agreement Defense Minister Nazim met with the Chinese Central Military Commission vice-Chairman General, Xu Qiliang, officials from the Chinese National Defence University, Military Medical University and the Shanghai Institute for International Studies on seeking scholarship opportunities, according to MNDF.

MNDF further said that Nazim’s visit would strengthen defense and military cooperation between the two nations.

Bangladesh new MBT 2000

[vina]

Maldives, Sri Lanka, Pakistan, Bangladesh and other South Asian countries continues to show their allegiance to China. They know who is richer and stronger military by far.

Yawn... China has managed to totally piss off Japan, Korea, Vietnam, All of Asean , who have rushed to invite US back into Asia and want India to get involved far more than ever in the South China sea.

As for Maldives, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh etc, don't worry about it. They are not going to turn down a gift horse , especially one as dumb as China which wants to throw money around. But when the chips are down (say a coup in Maldives, troubles in SL, or Bangladesh or Nepal) , they know whom to turn to and will always keep that in mind while engaging with China.

The only true "friends" for China are the two pathetic losers, Pakistan and No. Korea. N. Korea will turn away the moment there is any strategic change, and Pakistan is a liability more than anything. You are welcome to both.

[Chinmayanand]

I thought this thread was about Chinese Military , why is there a bangladeshi tank shown here ? Is it the same Al Khalid Bin Walid tank operated by the pakis which couldn't even take Ak-47 fires from the taliban and the paki military had to engage the reverse gear ? Will need to find that video on youtube .

[shiv]

Maldives, Sri Lanka, Pakistan, Bangladesh and other South Asian countries continues to show their allegiance to China (even Nepal and Bhutan are now following). They know who is richer and stronger military by far.

Interesting pisko here. I am sure they know. They bow down to China because Chinese are suckers for flattery and India does not export arms. But none of them is seriously going to rub India up the wrong way.

Lets face it boss - the biggest Chinese ass lickers the Pakistanis have been pushed into insignificance. By India. Despite everything the Chinese gave them, Including Chinas indigenous 2.5 gen JF-17. Made in China. That is why this thread is becoming more active. Those small friendly nations ain't gonna gonna help fat Chinese soldiers much. All those men sitting in oxygen enriched barracks up in the Himalayas can only dream of those warm Indian ocean Islands and imagine they pay homage to the porky Chinese.

It's OK to wave your little thing about on this forum. I am sure a few Indians will get upset enough to take the bait. Did you say J-31s are being made for Pakistan. It took them 5 years to find out that JF 17 was 2.5 gen. I suppose J-31 is so stealthy that they will take 7 years to find out that it is 3.5 gen.

[chaanakya]

Which strength are you talking about? You are not able to take Taiwan, Senkaku till date despite your famed strength . Forget that, you are not even able to take Socorta Rock from SOKO , which is nothing but a submerged rock and yet you lay claim to.

Well in due time we shall see.

[shiv]

http://chinaincentralasia.com/2012/12/0 ... /#more-501

China rapidly becoming primary player in post-war Central Asia

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China is increasingly reshaping Central Asia to becoming its backyard rather than Russia’s and this will bring with it some regional responsibilities that China has not yet figured out how to address. China needs to formulate a proper strategy for Central Asia.

China becoming a player after everyone else leaves and China does not know how to play? Ho hum. Lets hear something interesting. Like how China actually defeated someone after waking a sleeping India up in 1962. Maybe some grandfather will remember the last time Chinese troops did any combat. What's happening with Japan? I heard that 4 Chinese ships were sent but one turned back because the captain chickened out.

What are pension benefits like for the PLA? Must be good. China must be rich because no PLA soldier has died in combat for over 50 years and everyone gets a pension and a long life of peace. Good career option.

[kish]

Maldives, Sri Lanka, Pakistan, Bangladesh and other South Asian countries continues to show their allegiance to China (even Nepal and Bhutan are now following). They know who is richer and stronger military by far.

I thought the doomsday has passed, but yet another prediction this time from chinese.

These kinds of chest thump can be seen aplenty in baki ba$tards forum, it isn't surprising their best fliends follow the lead of a failed state.

Take the case of your best fliends (pakistan). They take more money from U.S than anybody else, does it mean pakistan's allegiance is to United States.

http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/India ... t_999.html

Ahh, there you go. Bringing in India in a "Chinese thread". But why a 1 week old article, have you been in labor camp for 7 days.

http://www.china-defense-mashup.com/mal ... e-aid.html

Since you brought in this issue. Please enlighten me how this massive aid of 3.2 million dollars has positively affected the maldives. what is the total Aid amount given to maldives by People republic of china and how it compares with the other countries Aid to maldives.

Bangladesh new MBT 2000

Yet another deviation. Alright, what are the specifications of MBT 2000? how many tanks did Bangladesh bought?

[shiv]

Yet another deviation. Alright, what are the specifications of MBT 2000? how many tanks did Bangladesh bought?

What's the matter boss? Can't count? They're all in the picture. Massive export success. Next - new tin alloy gearboxes for the 10 phony tanks that have been palmed off on to some poor suckers.

[tsarkar]

Pakistan would be replacing its 90's built F-7s before it replaces its 70's built Mirage-3, so the quality of Chinese stuff is well known. No wonder the Pakistani's were desperate to buy USAF flogged-to-death-then-refurbished F-16s or 30 year old US frigates. And the JF-17 that crashed could not clear the crest of the hill it crashed into, so it speaks volumes of how agile that aircraft is.

[eklavya]

Maldives, Sri Lanka, Pakistan, Bangladesh and other South Asian countries continues to show their allegiance to China (even Nepal and Bhutan are now following). They know who is richer and stronger military by far.

The Norwegians also show their allegiance to CPC and PLA by giving the Nobel Peace Prize to the Dalai Lama and to Liu Xiaobo.

CPC and PLA are so strong, so rich, so scared of the truth, so scared of the people, and so destined for the garbage heap of history.

[Harshad]

Maldives, Sri Lanka, Pakistan, Bangladesh and other South Asian countries continues to show their allegiance to China (even Nepal and Bhutan are now following). They know who is richer and stronger military by far.

Is China not an emerging imperialist power? – by Aamir Hussaini

In political dictionary definition of imperialism is the policy of extending a nation’s authority by territorial acquisition or by the establishment of economic and political hegemony over other nations. If we see role of government of China in our region, Then we can say that China is an emerging imperialist power of our region as she is establishing its economic and political hegemony in our region.

I think when China says that there should be one China and Pakistan supports its stance it is also imperialist behavior. Why Taiwan has no right to be sovereign state separate from China.

China had played very negative role during democratic and radical movement against Ayub Khan. China instructed pro china elements in Pakistan to isolate themselves from this movement, that is why Maulana Abdul hameed Bahshani’ s NAP and its affiliated student wings and trade unions isolated themselves from the movement resulting in regime change with Yahya’s entry.

China put her weight against the PDPA Govt, formed and sponsored militants groups(Shola-e-javed) in Afghanistan, became an ally to the western block along with Pakistan and provided arms to Afghan militant wings. Nowadays her role in Balochistan also is questionable and Baloch nationalist forces have strong reservations against it. China is acquiring control of natural resources of Baluchistan with the help, consent and collaboration of Pakistani military establishment. China’s own record of Human Rights Violation is worst, she never asked Pakistani establishment to stop violation of human rights and exploitation of natural resources in Baluchistan.

China has damaged manufacturing industry of Pakistan . After the free trade agreement, revenues of FBR have been decreased so much due to cuts of duties on Chinese products. Illegal entries and smuggling of Chinese products through Pak China borders are also stripping us of customs and other duties. The very low quality of Chinese products have changed Pakistan into a dumping place for the Chinese scraps. Balance of trade between Pakistan and China is in favour of China. Commerce ministry has admitted that free trade agreement did not benefited Pakistan but China completely.

In many trade deals with china like purchasing of engines for Pakistan railway, Pakistan faced serious loss and internal crisis. Chinese demands extraordinary privileges. An English daily newspaper pointed out this in its exclusive story on its front page about the hydropower project deal with Chinese company.

Our main stream media is imbalanced and hide facts and figures about relations between CHINA and Pakistan. During visit of Chinese prime minister to Pakistan talkshows, analysis and reports in Pakistani media were totally one sided . I write a regular column in a National Urdu news paper, I sent an article on China’ s role in Pakistan which was not allowed to be published by the editor for its content questioning China’s manipulation. I was not surprised at this as I know Urdu media and its readership is very conservative on China-Pakistan relations.

This is what Pakistan thinks about China. Friendship as tall as mountain of dung created by 1000 bulls.

[Suraj]

Maldives, Sri Lanka, Pakistan, Bangladesh and other South Asian countries continues to show their allegiance to China (even Nepal and Bhutan are now following). They know who is richer and stronger military by far.

You're wrong. If size of economy alone were the barometer, all of ASEAN would be aligning with China today too, instead of being involved in territorial disputes with China over its irresponsible claims over Philippine and Vietnamese territory in the South China Sea.

The phrase you're really searching for is hexiao gongda . That's the Chinese policy towards India, literally meaning 'unite with the small (TSP, BD, SL etc), to counter the large (India)'. This has been Chinese policy for decades, since the original Sino-Pakistan alignment of the early 1960s.

It has nothing to do with China's relative power vs India, and everything to do India's growing economic and military power relative to these nations, and China fostering the insecurities of those nations with respect to their growing insignificance compared to their giant subcontinental neighbor. Two decades ago, if you added up the GDPs of all these nations, they were about 25-30% of India's. Now they are about 15-18% of India's.

Some insecurity on their part is to be expected. But if China thinks it can throw them some money and take them out of the Indian sphere of influence, it is throwing away money. India still dominates their economic, social and political life, in both good and bad ways.

[KrishnaK]

Suraj,
Excellent post.

[Selamat Pagi]

Eight ways China’s military is catching up to the US

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2 ... ples_power

http://m100group.wordpress.com/2012/12/ ... john-reed/

[rohitvats]

Eight ways China’s military is catching up to the US

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2 ... ples_power

http://m100group.wordpress.com/2012/12/ ... john-reed/

This precisely is the problem with Chinese posters - why do you have to provide links from western publications to somehow prove our capabilities? How about some analysis or input(s) based on your knowledge base? Article like above are dime a dozen on net...let us see some serious analysis and not 'he-said-so' kind of links.

[rajanb]

^^^^ Insecurity. Which I noticed from the Middle Kingdom Chinese, when I worked in SE Asia. Wasn't present in the taiwanese though. Or those of chinese descent in SE Asia. They haven't come to grips with the fact that they have ten fingers on their hand. They think its all thumbs.

[Don]

hahahaha I love you guys. Great entertainment as always.... Your foreign minister said it best get used to having China in your back yard.

Anyways the new buzz on the military forum could be the first pictures of the Y-20

[shiv]

Well this is what you get from made in China cameras.


It's underpowered. The engines are not big enough for the egg the wings are attached to. Tsk tsk tsk. It's always the engines

[member_23370]

OMG Is that piece of lumbering joke going to fly with just 4 engines? i Hope russians have been contracted for more engines , its certainly beyonds chinas capacity to produce them.

Here is the truth about JF-17 barely 3rd gen fighter.
http://asian-defence-news.blogspot.com/ ... ys-jf.html

[rajanb]

@Don

Diplomats will use diplomatese. What our FM didn't say is important. Not appropriate at this current time.

Have you forgotten Zoo-Een-Lie yellow lies about Panchsheel before '62?

Piskologically, I love your flagrant display of insecurity. Keep it coming!

[Selamat Pagi]

Eight ways China’s military is catching up to the US

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2 ... ples_power

http://m100group.wordpress.com/2012/12/ ... john-reed/

This precisely is the problem with Chinese posters - why do you have to provide links from western publications to somehow prove our capabilities? How about some analysis or input(s) based on your knowledge base? Article like above are dime a dozen on net...let us see some serious analysis and not 'he-said-so' kind of links.

Another article which also pointed out 5 of the same weapon systems.
http://www.popsci.com/technology/galler ... al?image=0

[Harshad]

Another article which also pointed out 5 of the same weapon systems.
http://www.popsci.com/technology/galler ... al?image=0

The website has also published a report
9 Space Pictures That Look Like Santa, Rudolph, And Other Christmas Things

I am still expected to take Chinese posters seriously?

[kish]

hahahaha I love you guys. Great entertainment as always.... Your foreign minister said it best get used to having China in your back yard.

Perhaps, you didn't get his satire. Backyard is the place where people throw their JUNK.

Anyways the new buzz on the military forum could be the first pictures of the Y-20

Looks bigger for a junk truck, when is it sweeping the streets.

[Don]

Yet another deviation. Alright, what are the specifications of MBT 2000? how many tanks did Bangladesh bought?

Oh I forgot here is the same tank from your other neighbour Myanmar. It weight about the same as your T-90.
http://mmmilitary.blogspot.ca/2012/04/m ... -army.html


The Chinese T-99B on the other hand is much heavier at 62 tons.

[eklavya]

Your foreign minister said it best get used to having China in your back yard.

Seriously, why does this statement give you so much pleasure? You have been working with the Paki-whores for decades and it doesn't make a blind bit of difference to India. The more money you waste on our neighbours, the better for us, in every possible way.

Anyways the new buzz on the military forum could be the first pictures of the Y-20

Congratulations. Looks just like the J-20. For a minute I thought you had made a typo. Now you have two useless transport aircraft with unknown specs. My understanding is that when you do a reverse engineering job, the "specs" are worked out after the item has been manufactured. So, I presume we will find out the specs after a few years.

[eklavya]

The Chinese T-99B on the other hand is much heavier at 62 tons.

The thought of getting a back-massage from one of those should keep the pesky students in their dormitories and away from Tiananmen Square.

[kish]

Yet another deviation. Alright, what are the specifications of MBT 2000?

Oh I forgot here is the same tank from your other neighbour Myanmar. It weight about the same as your T-90.

Do you have problem comprehending English. I asked for S-P-E-C-I-F-I-C-A-T-I-O-N-S. (Note: its plural). All you could muster up was vague statement "it weighs the same as your T-90"

Since your intelligence is below par, Let me make it simple for you.

1) Which engines were used? China was contemplating using these engines.

Germans MTU-396 diesel engine
British Perkins condor diesel engine
Ukraine KMDB 6TD-2 diesel engine
Germans MTU-871 diesel engine



2) Who provided the main gun?
3) Who provided the Fire control system?
4) Who provided the Auto-Loader?

Now, Do you understand what is S-P-E-C-I-F-I-C-A-T-I-O-N-S?

First get the specifications and then compare it to what ever tank you want. Later you can say it is a supel doopel tank.

[DavidD]

Well this is what you get from made in China cameras.


It's underpowered. The engines are not big enough for the egg the wings are attached to. Tsk tsk tsk. It's always the engines

It's indeed a bit underpowered, considering how it uses IL-76's engines but carries a bit more tonnage. The wide body design, based on what I've read, is due to the fact that it's easier to lengthen the fuselage than to widen it, so they started off with a wide body in anticipation of more powerful engines in the future. At that time they may lengthen it a tad as well. Who knows when the domestic engine will be available though, I wouldn't be surprised if a future engine upgrade is another Russian one.

[Don]

Oh I forgot here is the same tank from your other neighbour Myanmar. It weight about the same as your T-90.

Do you have problem comprehending English. I asked for S-P-E-C-I-F-I-C-A-T-I-O-N-S. (Note: its plural). All you could muster up was vague statement "it weighs the same as your T-90"

Since your intelligence is below par, Let me make it simple for you.

1) Which engines were used? China was contemplating using these engines.

Germans MTU-396 diesel engine
British Perkins condor diesel engine
Ukraine KMDB 6TD-2 diesel engine
Germans MTU-871 diesel engine



2) Who provided the main gun?
3) Who provided the Fire control system?
4) Who provided the Auto-Loader?

Now, Do you understand what is S-P-E-C-I-F-I-C-A-T-I-O-N-S?

First get the specifications and then compare it to what ever tank you want. Later you can say it is a supel doopel tank.

I don't want to tell you.

[member_23651]

I don't want to tell you.

Then kindly desist from posting.. internet is full of these Chinese type of grainy pics.. one can log into keypubs or militaryphotos to see them.. DavidD's last post seems to be the really the only sensible post from Chinese since quite last few posts. There are many sites where you can satisfy your photo jingo giri.

[shiv]

Well this is what you get from made in China cameras.


It's underpowered. The engines are not big enough for the egg the wings are attached to. Tsk tsk tsk. It's always the engines

It's indeed a bit underpowered, considering how it uses IL-76's engines but carries a bit more tonnage. The wide body design, based on what I've read, is due to the fact that it's easier to lengthen the fuselage than to widen it, so they started off with a wide body in anticipation of more powerful engines in the future. At that time they may lengthen it a tad as well. Who knows when the domestic engine will be available though, I wouldn't be surprised if a future engine upgrade is another Russian one.

If more powerful engines are planned, then the wing structure too must be made stronger to transmit that power to carry the extra weight. That means that the wings are already too heavy/overdesigned for weight, given that they are designed for a future more powerful engine. Or else the wings are designed for the existing engines, but will have to be strengthened (changing the weights) for a future lengthened fuselage requiring re testing of wing performance under different conditions.

Same issues go for the undercarriage.

A flat configured rear loading ramp is not visible, but the photo is too blurry.

[member_23651]

Putting my noob dunce cap on: Why not slap Airbus 350 or Boeing 777 Engines to it which will be available to China via civilian market sale route?