China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011
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what is this?
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Nothing, really. Just the first bunch of carrier landing pics.Katare wrote:what is this?
http://news.xinhuanet.com/mil/2012-11/2 ... 998037.htm
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When/How did they get planes (Su?) that have folding wings and arrestor hooks for landing on an aircraft carrier?
Have they bought these recently?
Sorry but I think I am more ignorant than I thought about this chinese saga!
Have they bought these recently?
Sorry but I think I am more ignorant than I thought about this chinese saga!
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IIRC, it is another clone. The J-15 is clone based on the T-10Ks, an Su-33 prototype, from Ukraine. Goes back a few years - 2005ish or so.
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Wow those are nice pics. Did not realize they can achieve it so quickly.SNaik wrote:Nothing, really. Just the first bunch of carrier landing pics.Katare wrote:what is this?
http://news.xinhuanet.com/mil/2012-11/2 ... 998037.htm
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J-15 first takeoff and landing drill on aircraft carrier LiaoNing.
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Will they buy the machinery /engine from Russian Su-33 line now that Russia thinks Su-33 is obsolete and going with Mig-29K.
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^^If the above pics are actually real, I have just one thing to say "China is the best thing that ever happened to Indian defence." Really, if this does not light a fire under a$$es of our defence department, I do not know what will. The plans for the new aircraft carriers should be expedited as soon as possible and so should the plans for NLCA.
It has been surprises galore for some months with regard to Chinese equipment and though we have had to deal with shoddy photoshopping in the past, these days it seems like the real deal (no idea how well it works, but at least it actually flies and sails).
We just need to make sure we do not slack our efforts and put enough men, money and muscle behind our projects. There are rumours of two more aircraft carriers being built in China. If that is true, they are not even waiting to actually learn how to use one before making two more of them. No matter how effective or ineffective their efforts are, one cannot fault China for not trying.
Well, I hope there are more jolts from China to shock the UPA from its slumber. Because in the end, I think the worst anyone could do to India is not threaten it (that is the only way we will be ready to defend ourselves).
It has been surprises galore for some months with regard to Chinese equipment and though we have had to deal with shoddy photoshopping in the past, these days it seems like the real deal (no idea how well it works, but at least it actually flies and sails).
We just need to make sure we do not slack our efforts and put enough men, money and muscle behind our projects. There are rumours of two more aircraft carriers being built in China. If that is true, they are not even waiting to actually learn how to use one before making two more of them. No matter how effective or ineffective their efforts are, one cannot fault China for not trying.
Well, I hope there are more jolts from China to shock the UPA from its slumber. Because in the end, I think the worst anyone could do to India is not threaten it (that is the only way we will be ready to defend ourselves).
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carriers being long lead items and the basic design of the varyag probably being followed for the next two, there is no point for china in delaying construction. infact more carriers they have , more people and planes they can put to work in training and reach maturity sooner.
they dont need to crush the khan, only create a untenable situation for khan carriers to enter west of the philipine-japan-indonesian chain using a mix of ships, submarines, ASBMs, PLAAF , PLANAF, cruise missiles and so on.
they dont need to crush the khan, only create a untenable situation for khan carriers to enter west of the philipine-japan-indonesian chain using a mix of ships, submarines, ASBMs, PLAAF , PLANAF, cruise missiles and so on.
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The first official video of WZ-10 drill is released at the same day
starting from 0:18
starting from 0:18
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Precisely.Khan will rather keep its face.It wont fight them unless china becomes bold enough to threaten their mainland, by the way things are going.They would prefer a stronger neighboring country to start a fight with china.They can sell arms and make money in the bargain.Singha wrote:carriers being long lead items and the basic design of the varyag probably being followed for the next two, there is no point for china in delaying construction. infact more carriers they have , more people and planes they can put to work in training and reach maturity sooner.
they dont need to crush the khan, only create a untenable situation for khan carriers to enter west of the philipine-japan-indonesian chain using a mix of ships, submarines, ASBMs, PLAAF , PLANAF, cruise missiles and so on.
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Why?Don wrote:Wow those are nice pics. Did not realize they can achieve it so quickly.SNaik wrote:
Nothing, really. Just the first bunch of carrier landing pics.
http://news.xinhuanet.com/mil/2012-11/2 ... 998037.htm
First and foremost every technology is begged, borrowed or stolen. So, there should not be any surprise about the speed at which it is going.
Second, China does have a land based deck where these guys (who landed on this ship) must have practiced like hell.
The only segment will be operations and then live operations (as in real war - under threat). Strangely, that is one part that neither the Russians nor the Ukrainians have too much experience. Or the only nations that have real experience (war time) are opponents of China. (Cannot recall if Brazil has such experience.) France who is willing to sell their mother, for the proper price, may help.
IF China was more transparent such things would have been a lot more predictable.
Worms in a very nice looking apple.
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China lands J-15 jet on Liaoning aircraft carrier
White lie?'Floating casino'
The Liaoning, formerly known as the Varyag, was constructed in the 1980s for the Soviet navy but was never completed.
When the Soviet Union collapsed in 1991, the Varyag sat in Ukraine's dockyards.
A Chinese company with links to China's People's Liberation Army (PLA) bought the ship just as Soviet warships were being cut for scrap.
It said it wanted to turn the Varyag into a floating casino in Macau and in 2001 the ship was towed to China.
The Chinese military confirmed in June 2011 that it was being refitted to serve as the nation's first aircraft carrier.
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Beg, borrow or steal... They have done it today!
Today is the day to swallow some pride and applaud.
The INS Vik ain't gonna reach our shores before Jul '13 and our first landing is not expected till Oct '13. Lets twiddle thumbs in the meanwhile
Today is the day to swallow some pride and applaud.
The INS Vik ain't gonna reach our shores before Jul '13 and our first landing is not expected till Oct '13. Lets twiddle thumbs in the meanwhile
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I can't decide which is more funnier chinese posters having orgasms over their first AC or Indian poster peeing in their pants seeing things chinese do what IN did decades ago. Can anybody help me decide ????
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in the last decade the only innovation in naval terms I have seen from Cheen has been mounting long wave radars on a few ships.
other than that, just following the herd, multiple evolutionary dead ends, playing catch up etc etc.
other than that, just following the herd, multiple evolutionary dead ends, playing catch up etc etc.
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This is the thread for applauding. What India should do about it goes in a different thread. But no one seems to take the China threat seriously on the thread dedicated to taking the threat seriously. And everyone applauds China and worries about India on this thread.anand_sankar wrote:Beg, borrow or steal... They have done it today!
Today is the day to swallow some pride and applaud.
The INS Vik ain't gonna reach our shores before Jul '13 and our first landing is not expected till Oct '13. Lets twiddle thumbs in the meanwhile
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Supersonic jet arrestor landing and ski-jump take-off decades ago? Are you sure?Sagar G wrote:I can't decide which is more funnier chinese posters having orgasms over their first AC or Indian poster peeing in their pants seeing things chinese do what IN did decades ago. Can anybody help me decide ????
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So because a few things have changed in the game you mean to say that IN has to start from scratch now ???SNaik wrote:Supersonic jet arrestor landing and ski-jump take-off decades ago? Are you sure?
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http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2012/11/ ... ite-china/
Long March 4C launches Yaogan Weixing-16 spy satellite for China
November 25th, 2012 by Rui C. Barbosa
Following the postponement of the Zhongxing-12 (ChinaSat) communications satellite launch, the Chinese kept up their impressive launch pace with the lofting of the Yaogan Weixing-16 satellite by a Long March (Chang Zheng) 4C rocket on Sunday. The launch took place at 4:06am UTC from the Jiuquan Satellite Launch Center.
Chinese Launch:
Chinese media refer to the new satellite as a new remote sensing bird that will be used for scientific experiments, land survey, crop yield assessment, and disaster monitoring. As was the case with previous launches of the Yaogan Weixing series, western analysts believe this class of satellites is being used for military purposes.
In particular this mission is similar to the Yaogan Weixing-9, with three satellites flying in formation in a type of NOSS system. Being similar to the YG-9 mission, the triplet comprises an electro-optical surveillance satellite, an synthetic aperture radar (SAR) satellite, and possibly a electronic/signal intelligence satellite.
Designed for location and tracking of foreign warships, the satellites will collect optical and radio electronic signatures of the maritime vessels that will be used in conjunction with other information valuable for the Chinese maritime forces.
This was the 172nd successful Chinese orbital launch, the 172nd launch of a Chang Zheng launch vehicle, the 55th successful orbital launch from Jiuquan and the fourth from Taiyuan this year. It was also the 17th successful orbital Chinese launch in 2012.
Looking back to the Yaogan Weixing launch series:
The first Yaogan Weixing satellite (29092 2006-015A) was launched by a Chang Zheng-4C (Y1) from the Taiyuan Satellite Launch Center on April 27, 2006. Developed by Shanghai Academy of Spaceflight Technology (SAST), the details about this satellite were closely guarded, but later it was said that this was the first Jianbing-5 satellite, equipped with the first space-based synthetic aperture radar (SAR).
The second satellite on the series, the Yaogan Weixing-2 (31490 2007-019A), was launched on 25 May, 2007, by a Chang Zheng-2D (Y8) from the Jiuquan Satellite Launch Center. Details were also restricted, though it is claimed that this spacecraft is an electro-optical military observation satellite also known as JB-6 Jianbing-6, complementing the results of the Yaogan Weixing-1.
Another SAR mission similar to Yaogan-1 was launched on November 11, 2007 - with the Yaogan Weixing-3 (32289 2007-055A) satellite orbited by a Chang Zheng-4C (Y3) launch vehicle from Taiyuan.
Yaogan Weixing-4 (33446 2008-061A) was then launched on December 1, 2008. This was the second electro-optical satellite on the series and was launched by a Chang Zheng-2D (Y9) from Jiuquan.
Other satellite in the Jianbing-6 series were Yaogan Wexing-7 (36110 2009-069A), launched on December 9, 2009 from Jiuquan by a Chang Zheng-2D (Y10), and Yaogan Weixing-11 (37165 2010-047A) launched on September 22, 2010, by the Chang Zheng-2D (Y11) launch vehicle from Jiuquan.
The first second-generation electro-optical reconnaissance satellite developed by CAST, Yaogan Weixing-5 (33456 2008-064A), was launched on December 15, 2008. The launch took place from Taiyuan by the Chang Zheng-4B (Y20) rocket.
Yaogan Weixing-12 (37875 2011-066B) was other second-generation electro-optical reconnaissance satellite, launched on November 11, 2011, by the Chang Zheng-4B (Y21) launch vehicle from Taiyuan.
Yaogan Weixing-6 (34839 2009-021A), launched by a Chang Zheng-2C-III (Y19) from Taiyuan on April 22, 2009, was a second-generation SAR satellite developed by SAST
Other second-generation SAR satellites were the Yaogan Weixing-10 (36834 2010-038A) launch on August 9, 2010, by the Chang Zheng-4C (Y6) launch vehicle from Taiyuan; and the Yaogan Weixing-13 (37941 2011-072A) launch on November 29, 2011, by the Chang Zheng-2C (Y20) launch vehicle from Taiyuan.
The Yaogan Weixing-8 (36121 2009-072A), launched on December 15, 2009, by the CZ-4C (Y4) from Taiyuan was a new generation of optical reconnaissance satellite. Similar to the Yaogan-8 was the mission of Yaogan Weixing-14 launched on May 10th, 2012 by the Chang Zheng-4B (Y12) from Taiyuan.
The YaoGan Weixing-9 mission, launched March 5, 2010 from Jiuquan, had an architecture different from the previous missions on the series. Launched by Chang Zheng-4C (Y5) rocket, the mission put not one but a triplet of satellites in Earth orbit. Flying in formation this three satellites form what looks like a type of NOSS system.
The Yaogan Wrinxing-15 was a optical reconnaissance satellite launched on May 29, 2012 by the Chang Zheng-4C (Y10) from Taiyuan. The launch used a Long March 4C (Chang Zheng-4C) launch vehicle, an optimized version of the Long March 4B (Chang Zheng-4B), using an upper stae with restart capability and a new interstage adapter between the first and second stages. This vehicle also used a 3.35m diameter fairing for the Yaogan 15 ride uphill.
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Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011
anand_sankar wrote:Beg, borrow or steal... They have done it today!
Today is the day to swallow some pride and applaud.
The INS Vik ain't gonna reach our shores before Jul '13 and our first landing is not expected till Oct '13. Lets twiddle thumbs in the meanwhile
Another genius joins the fray. Cheers to the new wise one. My humble suggestion is that you take this to the "Preparing for Defeat by the Dragon " thread, where we can all bask in the light that is your knowledge.
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Is there a "Why are Indians surprised when China does something patently obvious?" thread ???? Can we start one? You've scene the Varyag under refurb for 10 years, you've scene the J-15 for two years, yet somehow when the Chinese put the two together it's still a big surprise.shiv wrote:This is the thread for applauding. What India should do about it goes in a different thread. But no one seems to take the China threat seriously on the thread dedicated to taking the threat seriously. And everyone applauds China and worries about India on this thread.anand_sankar wrote:Beg, borrow or steal... They have done it today!
Today is the day to swallow some pride and applaud.
The INS Vik ain't gonna reach our shores before Jul '13 and our first landing is not expected till Oct '13. Lets twiddle thumbs in the meanwhile
Okay, here's another one... You've scene the world's largest networking company (Huawei) and you've scene the world's largest computer company (Lenovo), yet in your mind the Chinese aren't capable of network and sensor fusion in their 5th gen fighters even when most military electronics these days is heavily COTS based. Yup, be prepare to be surprised again and again by the patently obvious.
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Wong
Why Do the Chinese need AC?
Why Do the Chinese need AC?
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The only thing that surprises Indians is how well the Chinese steal. The above named companies are going to go a long way in helping with that. Huawei is already banned in any sane country that fears for its secrets, the only question is when Lenovo is gonna follow.wong wrote:
Is there a "Why are Indians surprised when China does something patently obvious?" thread ???? Can we start one? You've scene the Varyag under refurb for 10 years, you've scene the J-15 for two years, yet somehow when the Chinese put the two together it's still a big surprise.
Okay, here's another one... You've scene the world's largest networking company (Huawei) and you've scene the world's largest computer company (Lenovo), yet in your mind the Chinese aren't capable of network and sensor fusion in their 5th gen fighters even when most military electronics these days is heavily COTS based. Yup, be prepare to be surprised again and again by the patently obvious.
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Strange, the words "patent" and "obvious" appearing together in this thread.wong wrote:
Is there a "Why are Indians surprised when China does something patently obvious?" thread ????
*snip*
Yup, be prepare to be surprised again and again by the patently obvious.
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^^
In war, the equipment that shows up to the battlefield matters about an order of magnitude more than the place of its birth or whether it was fairly or unfairly obtained.
Indian people. Kindly note, and move your rear ends, accordingly.
(and that includes me !)
In war, the equipment that shows up to the battlefield matters about an order of magnitude more than the place of its birth or whether it was fairly or unfairly obtained.
Indian people. Kindly note, and move your rear ends, accordingly.
(and that includes me !)
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^^The usual genius joins the fray, HURRAY. Please show the great kindness to share your thoughts in the appropriate thread made specifically for great minds like yours.
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Don't you think what it 'Shows Up' is also important, na? If all that equipment can only shows its rear end, do you think that will do?mahadevbhu wrote:^^
In war, the equipment that shows up to the battlefield matters about an order of magnitude more than the place of its birth or whether it was fairly or unfairly obtained.
Indian people. Kindly note, and move your rear ends, accordingly.
(and that includes me !)
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Congratulations China---- great achievement at an incredible pace......
down with skeptics who are spending time in analyzing the angle of shadow and possible photo-shopping...
as someone pointed out from time to time .. we need kick in our butt to move on ... hopefully these kicks are potent enough....
And for people who are crying foul on others praising Chinese effort.... --- Grow up...
down with skeptics who are spending time in analyzing the angle of shadow and possible photo-shopping...
as someone pointed out from time to time .. we need kick in our butt to move on ... hopefully these kicks are potent enough....
And for people who are crying foul on others praising Chinese effort.... --- Grow up...
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Wong, do you think just like Chinese in mainland who are apologists to their CPC masters, all Indians are all that absurd?wong wrote: Is there a "Why are Indians surprised when China does something patently obvious?" thread ???? Can we start one? You've scene the Varyag under refurb for 10 years, you've scene the J-15 for two years, yet somehow when the Chinese put the two together it's still a big surprise.
Wow, wow! Very impressive logic - Largest network and Later computer company. Ok before all that largest of the largest logic, for Sensor fusion first of all, where is the sensor? Even you taller than tallest, deeper than deepest, closer than closest friend, Pak seems not very convinced about your hardware.wong wrote:Okay, here's another one... You've scene the world's largest networking company (Huawei) and you've scene the world's largest computer company (Lenovo), yet in your mind the Chinese aren't capable of network and sensor fusion in their 5th gen fighters even when most military electronics these days is heavily COTS based. Yup, be prepare to be surprised again and again by the patently obvious.
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Ok, alright, let leave those skeptics. So what you analyzed to warrant such post ? Chinese military or Indian solitaire?Prithwiraj wrote: down with skeptics who are spending time in analyzing the angle of shadow and possible photo-shopping...
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You can start that thread yourself. It can be done alone, by a single child if need be, knowing Chinese networking skills.wong wrote:
Is there a "Why are Indians surprised when China does something patently obvious?" thread ???? Can we start one?
But Indians are not surprised at China. Just awed and worried. Your posts about China's achievements are scary and remind Indians that they are useless and not getting better soon enough. Suggestions for India include a potent kick up Indian butt, but I am not sure why the Chinese are not repeating that as you guys did in 1962 to our grandfathers.
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What they stole, they have.Wow, wow! Very impressive logic - Largest network and Later computer company. Ok before that for Sensor fusion, where is the sensor?
Next step: steal more - just to survive.
Grown up.Prithwiraj wrote:Congratulations China---- great achievement at an incredible pace......
down with skeptics who are spending time in analyzing the angle of shadow and possible photo-shopping...
as someone pointed out from time to time .. we need kick in our butt to move on ... hopefully these kicks are potent enough....
And for people who are crying foul on others praising Chinese effort.... --- Grow up...
This is all relative - not a knock on them.
IF the J series knock-offs were that great China would never have had to go back to Russia for the next gen - Su-35 series. Would they?
Also, Russia is supplying spares for these knock-offs.
So, yes, China needs to be proud of these knock-offs and refurbished machines. But, all that will come to a grinding halt if the Russians decide not to support.
Just simple logic. No emotions. That is grown up.
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It may not be. Given the maniacal exhibition of pride to equal with khan, they may very well make a Super carrier as that of khan. Bristling with all stealth fighters like J-20, it may be very much possible to see a bigger AC.Singha wrote:carriers being long lead items and the basic design of the varyag probably being followed for the next two, there is no point for china in delaying construction. infact more carriers they have , more people and planes they can put to work in training and reach maturity sooner.
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LOL Indians. Looks like you will be surprised again and again. Thanks for proving my point because you are correct, no Chinese fighter has any sensors and Chinese know nothing about COTS electronics and networking. And yes, China gives the very, very best stuff to Pakistan instead of just enough. Just enough for what you ask??? Figure it out!Kanson wrote:Wow, wow! Very impressive logic - Largest network and Later computer company. Ok before all that largest of the largest logic, for Sensor fusion first of all, where is the sensor? Even you taller than tallest, deeper than deepest, closer than closest friend, Pak seems not very convinced about your hardware.wong wrote:Okay, here's another one... You've scene the world's largest networking company (Huawei) and you've scene the world's largest computer company (Lenovo), yet in your mind the Chinese aren't capable of network and sensor fusion in their 5th gen fighters even when most military electronics these days is heavily COTS based. Yup, be prepare to be surprised again and again by the patently obvious.
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err, Supersonic ?SNaik wrote:Supersonic jet arrestor landing and ski-jump take-off decades ago? Are you sure?Sagar G wrote:I can't decide which is more funnier chinese posters having orgasms over their first AC or Indian poster peeing in their pants seeing things chinese do what IN did decades ago. Can anybody help me decide ????
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Before LOL, where is the largest of largest Sensor company? What? if you can do something with COTS, they you assume yours are as good as the one with F-22?wong wrote: LOL Indians. Looks like you will be surprised again and again. Thanks for proving my point because you are correct, no Chinese fighter has any sensors and Chinese know nothing about COTS electronics and networking. And yes, China gives the very, very best stuff to Pakistan instead of just enough. Just enough for what you ask??? Figure it out!
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LOL Chinese technology scares the crap out of the poor users like PAF and PN more than any adversary.
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vasu raya wrote:watch the edge of the runway on the first pic, the rope pulling it back will not extend that far, if the plane has traveled that far while landing, it will be a go around usually
This video probably clarifies why we have not chosen Su-33 for our carrier Gorky(And there is a write-up from ex-CNS Arun Prakash on this). Even for this big carrier, margin of error is not much.ashi wrote:J-15 first takeoff and landing drill on aircraft carrier LiaoNing.
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You mean like the locomotives you sold them? If thats your bestwong wrote: And yes, China gives the very, very best stuff to Pakistan instead of just enough. Just enough for what you ask??? Figure it out!
Never mind. Dont want you to get your dragon less vigorous.