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PostPosted: 03 May 2012 23:42 
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I am researching the history of my uncle, Lieutenant John Gilbert Byrne, who was in the 37th Dogras. He was killed in action on 21st January 1916 at the battle of Al Hanna in Mesopotamia, along with 2700 other colleagues ( a truly shocking statistic).
I have recently located and purchased three of his medals, which were, of course, awarded posthumously.
I am very keen to gather as much information as I can about Lieut. Byrne. I gather he joined the regiment in October 1911, became a 2nd Lieutenant December 1912 and a Lieutenant in January 1914.
In particular I would like to find out
1. How a young Irishman (aged 18 years) came to join an Indian regiment.
2. If there is any documentary or pictorial evidence of his involvement in the regiment or in the battle at Al Hanna. I have one photo of him in his uniform, taken, I believe in India in 1914.
3. How and where his medals would have been awarded (as they have never been in the possession of the family until now, 90 years on).
I would be grateful if you could put me in touch with the archivist or historian for the regiment and allow me to access the forum to invite anyone with information to share it.
Thank you in anticipation of your assistance.
Andrew Leonard


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PostPosted: 04 May 2012 01:10 
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Give me a few days. I have a book "Battle Honors of the Indian Army" by Maj Sarabjit Singh. I will see what were the honors awarded for "Battle of Al Hanna" 1916 and report back. Usually there is a description of the action and what honors were awaarded.

I agree your best bet is the Regimnetal Historian for the Dogra Regiment which would be the repository of all its comopnent parts.

Do you know where in India was he stationed?

A lot of Irishmen were in the BIA.


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PostPosted: 04 May 2012 02:17 
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Thank you for your prompt response and kind offer of assistance.

I believe Lieut. Byrne may have been stationed in Rawalpindi, but am not sure. I simply have a dim recollection of Rawalpindi being mentioned by my late mother Cecily Byrne (who died in 1997).

Can you direct me towards the Regimental Historian?


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PostPosted: 04 May 2012 11:33 
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Wiki on the Battle:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Hanna

37th Dogras:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/37th_Dogras

British Empire site on 37 Dogras:


http://www.britishempire.co.uk/forces/a ... dogras.htm


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PostPosted: 04 May 2012 11:41 
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the mesopotamian campaign is relatively obscure, it would be good to shed more light on it


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PostPosted: 04 May 2012 11:49 
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Your post incited my interest and I was just casually searching on Google. I came across this link, it might be of interest to you (unless you have already seen it)

http://www.aberdeenmedals.com/home.php?id=1

If you scroll down, you will find a list of medals and their citations. I THINK your Uncle's citation is mentioned there, I didn't go through all of them :)


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PostPosted: 04 May 2012 11:57 
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^Indeed.
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A 'Dubliner's' Indian Army 'Killed-in-Action' campaign group of 3: Lieutenant John Gilbert Byrne, 37th Dogras, Indian Army - 1914-15 Star (Lt. J.G. Byrne. 37-Dogras.) - British War Medal. Silver issue (Lieut. J.G. Byrne.) - Interallied Victory Medal (Lieut. J.G. Byrne.) Important: Lieutenant John Gilbert Byrne is confirmed as being 'Killed-in-Action' on 21 January 1916, at 'Hanna', Mesopotamia (in present day Iraq) during the desparate and ultimately ill-fated attempt by the British to relieve the besieged British-Indian garrison at Kut-al-Amara Note: During the assault on the Um-al-Hanna defile, the 37th Dogras sustained such withering losses, that after the battle the remnants of the 37th Dogras were merged with those of the 41st Dogras, to form, for a time, a composite battalion '37/41 Dogras'. At 'Hanna', both of the Dogra Battalions - then - un-linked - fought together for the first time in their history, with each Dogra battalion further sharing the rare distinction of having members of their respective units decorated with the Victoria Cross for acts of supreme 'life-saving' gallantry, at the El Orah ruins near Hanna. Canadian born Captain John Alexander Sinton, Indian Medical Service, and the Regimental Medical Officer of the 37th Dogras, was twice wounded (in each arm) while tending to the wounded, while Lance Naik Lala of the 41 Dogras received his award for saving the lives of two wounded British Officers during the same action John Gilbert Byrne, born in Ireland in 1892. He was the son of John Peter Byrne (Resident Magistrate), and Margaret Mary Byrne, of Beauparc, Monkstown, Co. Dublin, and was 23 years of age at the time of his death. A pre war regular officer of the Indian Army, John was commissioned 2nd Lieutenant and posted to the 37th Dogras of the Indian Army, effective 3 December 1912 (LG 8 April 1913 refers), and he was subsequently promoted Lieutenant on 12 January 1914 (LG of 13 January 1914 refers). The Dogras disembarked in Mesopotamia in December 1915, and as a unit of 35th Indian Infantry Brigade had been heavily enaged at the battle of Sheikh Sa'ad prior to the assault of the Turkish positions at the Um-al-Hanna defile Condition: GVF

From the above link.
http://www.aberdeenmedals.com/home.php?id=1

However, I think our friend is more interested about the life of his Late Uncle then the battle action.
Links that might interest u.
Link1
Link2Goto Page 51 here


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PostPosted: 04 May 2012 12:04 
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AndrewinIreland,

Internet search with you uncle's name shows this:

http://www.aberdeenmedals.com/home.php?id=1

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A 'Dubliner's' Indian Army 'Killed-in-Action' campaign group of 3: Lieutenant John Gilbert Byrne, 37th Dogras, Indian Army - 1914-15 Star (Lt. J.G. Byrne. 37-Dogras.) - British War Medal. Silver issue (Lieut. J.G. Byrne.) - Interallied Victory Medal (Lieut. J.G. Byrne.) Important: Lieutenant John Gilbert Byrne is confirmed as being 'Killed-in-Action' on 21 January 1916, at 'Hanna', Mesopotamia (in present day Iraq) during the desparate and ultimately ill-fated attempt by the British to relieve the besieged British-Indian garrison at Kut-al-Amara Note: During the assault on the Um-al-Hanna defile, the 37th Dogras sustained such withering losses, that after the battle the remnants of the 37th Dogras were merged with those of the 41st Dogras, to form, for a time, a composite battalion '37/41 Dogras'. At 'Hanna', both of the Dogra Battalions - then - un-linked - fought together for the first time in their history, with each Dogra battalion further sharing the rare distinction of having members of their respective units decorated with the Victoria Cross for acts of supreme 'life-saving' gallantry, at the El Orah ruins near Hanna. Canadian born Captain John Alexander Sinton, Indian Medical Service, and the Regimental Medical Officer of the 37th Dogras, was twice wounded (in each arm) while tending to the wounded, while Lance Naik Lala of the 41 Dogras received his award for saving the lives of two wounded British Officers during the same action John Gilbert Byrne, born in Ireland in 1892. He was the son of John Peter Byrne (Resident Magistrate), and Margaret Mary Byrne, of Beauparc, Monkstown, Co. Dublin, and was 23 years of age at the time of his death. A pre war regular officer of the Indian Army, John was commissioned 2nd Lieutenant and posted to the 37th Dogras of the Indian Army, effective 3 December 1912 (LG 8 April 1913 refers), and he was subsequently promoted Lieutenant on 12 January 1914 (LG of 13 January 1914 refers). The Dogras disembarked in Mesopotamia in December 1915, and as a unit of 35th Indian Infantry Brigade had been heavily enaged at the battle of Sheikh Sa'ad prior to the assault of the Turkish positions at the Um-al-Hanna defile Condition: GVF


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PostPosted: 04 May 2012 18:05 
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quite a lot of information is found in related wiki links


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PostPosted: 04 May 2012 20:36 
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I looked up the book by Maj Sarbans Singh. There is no account of Battle of Hanna in 1916. However he says along with others Dogras received theater honors Mesopotamia 1914-1916. They also received Tigris 1916 for the relief of Kut Al Amara which is where 37 Dogras received the large casualties and got merged with 41st Dogra.

The 650,000 strong British Indian Army, Expeditionary Force D liberated Mesopotamia which led to the creation of modern day Iraq and broke the Ottomon Turks hold on Middle East which was there from mid 1600s.

This is the big picture.

Andrew your uncle died for a great cause.

Celebrate his contribution.
Thanks for asking for we could find out what did the BIA do in the Middle East in WWI.


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PostPosted: 05 May 2012 00:28 
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Thank you very much for your help.
I deeply appreciate the sacrifice Gilbert made along with his colleagues and I salutethem. Re the Aberdeen medals listing: this was where I located Gilbert's medals after 90 years. I am happy to say that the trio of medals is now back home.
As regards the citation, I believe this entry is not the citation as such, but is an account of aspects of the battle and the incident in which a colleague was cited for bravery and awarded a vc for coming to the rescue of Capt Nicholson, a friend and colleague of Gilbert's. Capt. Nicholson returned to the battlefield and recovered Gilbert's body, approx 3 months later.
All very sad.


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