SBHALLA wrote:
I agree any sane nation will not allow situation to stoop to a level where nuclear conflict becomes reality. That said do we allow things as they are and they continue to bleed us? Point being what message have we given to our adversary/ies to date that if they have a policy of violence against us it would be met with a firm response. Are we the only ones to be scared of a nuclear conflict? Is there no one in their establishment who understands and realizes that we may take a hit or two what after that? Problem is we haven't learn' t our lessons from history, when we could close Kashmir with Pakistan in 1971 we did not do then. Even now we don't have a consistent policy towards them. Left to me I would constitute a separate department in the Government that has one job and only one job and i.e. to deal with Pakistan in which ever way it is good for our country. This department should have people from HM, DEF, FO and other fields that is relevant to them when dealing with Pakistan. If they want to be friends lets walk in that direction, if "Laato Ke Bhoot Baato Se Nahi Mante" then hit them where it hurts them most. Support Baluchistan insurgency to the hilt as they do in Kashmir, pay them back in the same coin and statements that we are only extending political support, let us also do the same thing. Set up a force trained in going deep in Pakistan and pick up / destroy human targets that we can otherwise not get hold off. Have a frank talk with the genrails that if you screw around with us, we will do what we can to destroy you overtly and covertly. The other day Imran Khan said that passions get inflamed when human rights are violated by Indian Forces, are human rights not being trampled upon in Baluchistan by Pakistani forces??
Look at the type of leadership we present when we talk with Pakistan, basically all Doves dealing with Hawks. Let's make the head of Pakistan department a Jat with a lathi in his hand and then talk to them
We need aggressive posturing towards them to send a message we mean business.
All in all message should be LOUD and CLEAR.
Not an experienced person as you are, but thought I'll pitch in my 2 cents worth knowledge apart from my feelings.
Valuable input will be much appreciated.
Bhallaji I have several quibbles with your post, but let me start with events that I was witness to in an era when I was old enough to understand. You say:
Problem is we haven't learn' t our lessons from history, when we could close Kashmir with Pakistan in 1971 we did not do then.
Where did you get the impression that we could "close Kashmir" in 1971?
That apart are you confusing Pakistan bluster with being a hawk? Why do you believe that Indians should talk to Pakistanis like Hawks and not doves? Do you think India does that out of basic cowardice and dhoti shivering or are there other things, like US support that prevented us from being aggressive with Pakistan
One of the things that makes me really angry is how my educated indian compatriots choose to have a strange sort of "dual allegiance" for both America and India. Having dual allegiance for America and India makes it easy to imagine that the anti-India actions by the US from the 1950s right up to after 2000 were merely A superpower doing its thing and the US acting in its interest" while India's inability to handle Pakistan is only Indian incompetence, and cowardice.
The minute you shed any sympathy, admiration and allegiance towards America it is easier to see that America as a wealthy superpower has consistently acted to thwart and check India's freedom of action towards Pakistan at Pakistan's instance, in order to lick Paki ass and get Pakis to help them.
Unfortunately we are such great admirers of TFTA Americans and worship Americas greatness and are contemptuous towards our cowardly dhotis. This is a typical consequence of Indian Macaulayite education. In reality the TFTA Americans are Paki ass lickers who have done much to screw India's happiness and take Indian lives while they have been ROTFL at the way slobbering admiring Indians continue to admire them while blaming their own dhotis for being "cowardly" and not dealing with Pakistan. At least a part of dhoti cowardlness is because India has not been dealing with Pakistan alone, but Pakistan+ America, and at times Pakistan+America+China.
We have actually survived all that and are growing stronger. Why are we whining so much?