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^^ Guess it is time to buy bunker busters ;)
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is that a 'reflex sight' on the insas? first I am seeing it on a real used insas not defexpo demo.
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^^
Nicely spotted! This is the first time I have seen INSAS with one!
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yes! finally! praise be the lord! I am yet to spot a soldier of the great khan and his vassals without a reflex sight.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... INDIA5.jpg
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^^
While this pic has come as a welcome surprise, I personally don't care much about reflex sights. As far as small arms attachments are concerned, I would be much more excited if OFB shows a substantial increase in UBGL production. Even from the days of RayC Sir, this problem has not been complained about.
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Singha wrote:yes! finally! praise be the lord! I am yet to spot a soldier of the great khan and his vassals without a reflex sight.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... INDIA5.jpg
In the picture you posted the solider in the background has just the iron sights. :P
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Am I the only one on the forum who thinks that the GOI is planning to fight the western front campaign with the PRC. With all the new manpower additions ? When they should be planning for a Tushima / Trafalger in the Western Pacific Basin (I will NOT call it South China Sea ).
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per a scanned article in livefist, people are trying to scuttle the LOH deal making anonymous letters to MOD about corruption by arms dealers...

and this is already a delayed deal by 3 years.
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"Jai Mahakali, Ayo Gorkhali"
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sum wrote:China creeping up in Ladakh
The dragon is breathing down the neck where India is most vulnerable — part of the ancient silk route that connects the Ladakh region in the northern most part of Jammu and Kashmir to the bordering Xinjiang region in China.

The Indian defence establishment recently began counter-measures
after coming across intelligence that China had set up at least two missile storage facilities just across the line of actual control (LAC) in that area.

While New Delhi began building infrastructure in northern Ladakh, particularly at Daulat Beg Oldi on the old silk route, the intelligence on the missile site at Xaidulla came as a big surprise just three months ago.

The Indian Army has proposed deployment of short-range missiles, such as the BrahMos, along the LAC with the option of using the long-range ones also to act as a deterrent.

Satellite images showed 13 tunnels had been built at Xiadulla, an old base of the Chinese People’s Liberation Army of China, just 98 km from the Karakoram mountain pass between Ladakh and the Xinjiang Uyghur autonomous region.

Another missile facility has been located at Qizil Jilga, 40 km off the LAC in eastern Ladakh near the Western Tibet highway.
Missile silos so close to the border( just 40 K.Ms)?
So now we need all-weather roads to take some Smerch batteries to this region.
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Very good article and amazing scenario quoted:
Abolish AFSPA and hand over Kashmir to the LeT
Some days ago, this author happened to watch on television a discussion on Irom Sharmila's marathon fast. One was left thunderstruck when one young girl from Delhi, suddenly interjected saying, "so the soldiers just shoot anyone they feel like!" The well-known female anchor with larger than life image of self and with a pancake makeup, nodded knowingly with an understanding 'tut tut'.

The fact that it was a pre-recorded programme meant that the editor did not feel the need to edit out this outrageous remark. But more was to follow. On November 4, the Economic Times (page 14) thundered editorially, 'Repeal the AFSPA: India's democracy has no place for this brutal law that has been in place for 53 years.' The editorial went on to then quote the United Nations, Amnesty International in support.

It also famously went on to say that the act has failed in the north-east. It went on to say that the act has 'left a trail of corpses' presumably it refers to 'civilians' only for thousands of soldiers who died battling Naga or Mizo rebels do not count! This is not so bizarre at it sounds, for there is a clamour of late about the 2,000 odd graves in Kashmir... mostly of militants who infiltrated but no mention of the 5,000 Indian soldiers who died during the same period!
Any guesses as to which channel this would be and who the host would be? :roll: :roll:
Let us conjure up a scenario that would unfold in case this act is repealed.

A battalion on the Line of Control in Kashmir gets information that a group of 10 militants, five Pakistani citizens and five Kashmiris, have infiltrated through the LoC and are moving towards Baramulla town. The report says that they are equipped with AK-47 rifles, bazookas and grenades. The infiltration was facilitated by the Pakistani Army by firing on our posts to give cover. The information is authentic as en-route the infiltrators killed two soldiers and wounded three.

This information was obtained from a wounded soldier before he succumbed to his injuries (dying declaration). The battalion commander alerted his reserve company to stop them and intercept them before they enter Baramulla town so as to avoid casualties to civilians.

It was close to midnight, the battalion commander rang up the nearest judicial magistrate at Uri. He was told that the sahib had retired for the day and he should ring up next morning. As he rang up the magistrate next day, the reports had come in that the infiltrators had crossed over to other tehsil. The magistrate politely told the officer that he should instead contact Bandipora tehsil.

In another instance, the infiltrators had established themselves on a hilltop. Since a presence of magistrate was necessary to take action, he was requested to accompany the troops. But halfway up the mountain, the magistrate complained of chest pain and could not proceed further. The pursuit was then abandoned.

In a third instance, the battalion was lucky. A patrol accompanied by magistrate encountered a group of armed men. According to procedure, the magistrate warned them to surrender, but instead the group took position and began firing. The magistrate escaped but two soldiers died on the spot. Three Pakistani citizens were overpowered and brought back to the headquarters. There they were charged with 'waging war' against the state.

At the last news the trial was going on in high court and the court did not find evidence to substantiate the charge that they had actually fired. They were therefore charged under violation of the Passport Act. Since they had already served over ten years, they were released immediately and repatriated through the Wagah border. Television channels hailed it as the triumph of the Indian justice system.
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sum wrote:Very good article and amazing scenario quoted:
Abolish AFSPA and hand over Kashmir to the LeT
Some days ago, this author happened to watch on television a discussion on Irom Sharmila's marathon fast. One was left thunderstruck when one young girl from Delhi, suddenly interjected saying, "so the soldiers just shoot anyone they feel like!" The well-known female anchor with larger than life image of self and with a pancake makeup, nodded knowingly with an understanding 'tut tut'.

The fact that it was a pre-recorded programme meant that the editor did not feel the need to edit out this outrageous remark. But more was to follow. On November 4, the Economic Times (page 14) thundered editorially, 'Repeal the AFSPA: India's democracy has no place for this brutal law that has been in place for 53 years.' The editorial went on to then quote the United Nations, Amnesty International in support.

It also famously went on to say that the act has failed in the north-east. It went on to say that the act has 'left a trail of corpses' presumably it refers to 'civilians' only for thousands of soldiers who died battling Naga or Mizo rebels do not count! This is not so bizarre at it sounds, for there is a clamour of late about the 2,000 odd graves in Kashmir... mostly of militants who infiltrated but no mention of the 5,000 Indian soldiers who died during the same period!
Any guesses as to which channel this would be and who the host would be? :roll: :roll:
Let us conjure up a scenario that would unfold in case this act is repealed.

A battalion on the Line of Control in Kashmir gets information that a group of 10 militants, five Pakistani citizens and five Kashmiris, have infiltrated through the LoC and are moving towards Baramulla town. The report says that they are equipped with AK-47 rifles, bazookas and grenades. The infiltration was facilitated by the Pakistani Army by firing on our posts to give cover. The information is authentic as en-route the infiltrators killed two soldiers and wounded three.

This information was obtained from a wounded soldier before he succumbed to his injuries (dying declaration). The battalion commander alerted his reserve company to stop them and intercept them before they enter Baramulla town so as to avoid casualties to civilians.

It was close to midnight, the battalion commander rang up the nearest judicial magistrate at Uri. He was told that the sahib had retired for the day and he should ring up next morning. As he rang up the magistrate next day, the reports had come in that the infiltrators had crossed over to other tehsil. The magistrate politely told the officer that he should instead contact Bandipora tehsil.

In another instance, the infiltrators had established themselves on a hilltop. Since a presence of magistrate was necessary to take action, he was requested to accompany the troops. But halfway up the mountain, the magistrate complained of chest pain and could not proceed further. The pursuit was then abandoned.

In a third instance, the battalion was lucky. A patrol accompanied by magistrate encountered a group of armed men. According to procedure, the magistrate warned them to surrender, but instead the group took position and began firing. The magistrate escaped but two soldiers died on the spot. Three Pakistani citizens were overpowered and brought back to the headquarters. There they were charged with 'waging war' against the state.

At the last news the trial was going on in high court and the court did not find evidence to substantiate the charge that they had actually fired. They were therefore charged under violation of the Passport Act. Since they had already served over ten years, they were released immediately and repatriated through the Wagah border. Television channels hailed it as the triumph of the Indian justice system.
Problem seems to be our establishment and Political Elite who support this kind of media, for these Political elite apparently death of Indian soldiers, death of Indians on the streets does not hurt them, but a only political party that remove them from the gravy of looting the Treasury does. Hence, Killings by LET etc. are seen as kosher, or other more worryingly alternative , our Political Media elite are tied up with RAPE and sympathize with their causes.
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Boost for military to military interaction between India, China
Military to military interaction between India and China got a boost when a People’s Liberation Army (PLA) delegation visited here over the week after an Indian Army team visited China earlier this year. India had suspended this interaction last year after China refused visa to Northern Command chief Lt Genaral BS Jaswal while questioning the status of Jammu and Kashmir.

New Delhi suspended the interaction to register its protest over this issue as well as issuing stapled visas to residents of Jammu and Kashmir. The matter was resolved during Premier Wen Jiabao’s visit to India last year and India sent an Army delegation to China in June this year.

Led by Lt General Lang Youliang from Tibet Military Command of Chengdu Military Region, the eight-member PLA delegation visited various Indian Army establishments and interacted with their counterparts during their stay between November 3-9, Army officials said here on Thursday. The delegation visited some defence installations in New Delhi, Kolkata and Mumbai.

“The visit by PLA delegation has put the defence exchanges between the two countries back on track. Both sides expressed the desire to further promote bilateral defence exchanges and observed that peace and tranquility continues to be maintained between the border troops,” they said.
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The Indian Army has emerged the best patrolling force in the world with a team from the Gorkha Rifles regiment winning an international competition also called the Olympics of Patrolling. The gold medal is the first won by an Indian contingent.

The 4th Battalion of the 9 Gorkha Rifles regiment from the Bhopal-based 21 ‘Sudharshan Chakra’ Corps participated in the annual Cambrian Patrol Competition at Wales in England last month.
It emerged the gold medal winner beating 100 teams, including 14 teams from national armies of foreign countries.
What it does not say that is that TSPA which sent SSG got silver.
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ManuT wrote:
The Indian Army has emerged the best patrolling force in the world with a team from the Gorkha Rifles regiment winning an international competition also called the Olympics of Patrolling. The gold medal is the first won by an Indian contingent.

The 4th Battalion of the 9 Gorkha Rifles regiment from the Bhopal-based 21 ‘Sudharshan Chakra’ Corps participated in the annual Cambrian Patrol Competition at Wales in England last month.
It emerged the gold medal winner beating 100 teams, including 14 teams from national armies of foreign countries.
What it does not say that is that TSPA which sent SSG got silver.
So a non-SF team beat the TFTA SSG, H&D issue only.
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^^^There is a very tough competition with-in the army to select the team which will be sent for this competition. It is like a typical sports tournament - teams from various units across commands compete with-in their divisions/corps/commands and then at national level. The winner goes through to the competition.
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rohitvats wrote:^^^There is a very tough competition with-in the army to select the team which will be sent for this competition. It is like a typical sports tournament - teams from various units across commands compete with-in their divisions/corps/commands and then at national level. The winner goes through to the competition.
I understand that, but in Paki propaganda SSG are some super humans with divine powers, the myth is busted again.
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^^^Those fellows have been handed their musharraft on more than one occasion by us and talibunnies.
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apparently the 111 coup brigade of PA won the gold medal last yr (2010)!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exercise_Cambrian_Patrol

http://www.penarthtimes.co.uk/news/9341 ... marching_/

The exercise was split into seven phases and the teams, some with female soldiers, then had to march a mind-and-muscle sapping 55km carrying full personal kit and equipment, weighing in at some 60lbs, on a two-day patrolling mission.

Navigating by day and night, the patrols faced testing and specialist challenges, including observation and reconnaissance of enemy forces, cold river crossings in full kit without access to boats, first-aid and defensive shooting under attack.

At the completion of their patrol, each team faced a comprehensive debriefing session.

Military skills, stamina and dedication were constantly evaluated during the patrol and marked with a system of points.

Teams that successfully completed their patrol were awarded a gold, silver or bronze medal or certificate of merit, depending on the number of points gained.
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^^^ yes, its not gold medal for coming first per se, it is gold standard for achieving objectives - so more than one team can get awards at each level
that said it looks like a tough competition. i have hiked in those hills, its tough country and the weather changes rapidly - quite wet and cold for the most part and difficult underfoot. at night must be quite difficult. but then hardy hill folks like gurkha's are used to these conditions
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Aditya_V wrote:
rohitvats wrote:^^^There is a very tough competition with-in the army to select the team which will be sent for this competition. It is like a typical sports tournament - teams from various units across commands compete with-in their divisions/corps/commands and then at national level. The winner goes through to the competition.
I understand that, but in Paki propaganda SSG are some super humans with divine powers, the myth is busted again.

Sam Manekshaw would have had an argument with the Pakis regarding superhumans - he once said "if a man says he is not afraid of dying, he is either lying or is a gurkha."
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Links to a recent incident in which a brave retired Gorkha soldier took on 30 or 40 robbers

http://artofmanliness.com/trunk/687/gor ... a-khukuri/

http://xnepali.net/a-gurkha-soldier-who ... -of-india/

If these links have already been posted, my apologies.
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Army's biggest war game begins in Thar desert
Jaisalmer: The Army's biggest war game Sudarshan Shakti has begun in the Thar desert. Lt General A K Singh, the Southern Army Commander, visited various units on Saturday.

The exercise is to test the operational effectiveness of the Pivot and Strike Corps of the Southern Army and validate certain new concepts. The Pivot Corps training manoeuvres are underway with the Strike Corps manoeuvres following closely on its heels.

The Army commander was briefed on the progress of training by Lt General Sanjeev Langer, GOC, Strike Corps. He also witnessed day and night training manoeuvres. A large demonstration would be organised on November 23, in which Army and Air Force senior officers and journalists would attend.

Another interesting outcome of the joint exercise will be the integrated air-land war-fighting machinery which will assess and highlight the synergy between the Indian Army and IAF. Hence, IAF aircraft, including Sukhoi-30, MiG-29s, MiG-21 'Bisons', Cheetah, Chetak and Mi-25 attack helicopters, are also taking part in the exercise.

Source said 'The Southern Army is working towards 'Capability-based approach' based on series of transformational initiatives spanning, concepts, organizational structures and absorption of new age technologies, particularly in precision munitions, advance surveillance system, space and network-centricity, under the overall guidance of the Indian Army, for which the Army chief and the Southern Army Commander were the main proponents. The unique feature is the joint exercise between the Southern Army and its counterparts in the Air Force and Navy. Defence sources said approximately 30,000 troops, over 200 tanks and many Fighter aircraft are participating in the exercise.

. Bhopal based sudarshan chakra 21 Strike Corps& 12 Desert Corps of Jodhpur are participating in the exercise. The military exercise has become very important as being seeing the current scenario & also participation of two Corps has made that even more relevance. With over 30,000 troops participating in the exercise, this is the biggest military manoeuvres being conducted so far in history of Indian Army. The exercise will continue till end of December. The dynamic process of operations, both offensive and defensive, integrating and validation of concepts of modern warfare that have emerged during the transformation studies of Indian Army, network centricity, testing and evaluation of new equipments are some of the objectives to be achieved in the exercise. The exercise aimed at rapid mobilization involved several mechanized operations towards offensive operations. Battlefield transparency and operational plans based on real-time situational awareness was enhanced using intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance (ISR) inputs from unmanned aerial vehicles (UAV) and satellites.With air assets to play a decisive role in future battles, the increased air assets of the Army and Air Force would be employed in an integrated manner in the exercise.
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Bihar: Officers Training Academy inaugurated
Gaya: Army chief General VK Singh on Monday formally declared open the Officers Training Academy (OTA) here, which has already begun training its first batch of cadets.

The OTA was envisaged to help reduce the shortage in the officers strength of the Indian Army that now is managing with just about 35,000 officers, compared to its sanctioned strength of 47,864.

The Gaya OTA is the third military academy of the country that trains officers for the army and the second for training short service commissioned officers -- the other one already functioning in Chennai. The third is the Indian Military Academy at Dehradun that exclusively trains permanent commissioned officers.

The academy here began its first training course July 18 this year. The first course inauguration was done by Army Training Command General Officer Commanding-in-Chief Lt. Gen K Surendra Nath.

Functioning under the Shimla-headquartered Army Training Command (ARTRAC), the OTA was raised in record time after approval last year for construction of modern and state-of-the-art infrastructure and world-class training facilities.

With "Shaurya, Gyan aur Sankalp" (valour, knowledge, resolution) as it motto, the Gaya OTA has 149 cadets in its first batch. But the strength will be increased gradually to its full capacity of 750 cadets in a few years.
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VinodTK wrote:Army's biggest war game begins in Thar desert
Jaisalmer: The Army's biggest war game Sudarshan Shakti has begun in the Thar desert. Lt General A K Singh, the Southern Army Commander, visited various units on Saturday.

The exercise is to test the operational effectiveness of the Pivot and Strike Corps of the Southern Army and validate certain new concepts. The Pivot Corps training manoeuvres are underway with the Strike Corps manoeuvres following closely on its heels.

...

Bhopal based sudarshan chakra 21 Strike Corps& 12 Desert Corps of Jodhpur are participating in the exercise. operations.
Oh, how quitely history gets made. From now on, there will be no concentration of the strike corps on the border. Instead, the pivot corps will knock the door down and then a pass-through maneuver (as being rehearsed in this exercise) will be used to let loose the strike corps into the breach. Only question is, by what name will this rose be called?
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Y I Patel wrote: <SNIP> Oh, how quitely history gets made. From now on, there will be no concentration of the strike corps on the border. Instead, the pivot corps will knock the door down and then a pass-through maneuver (as being rehearsed in this exercise) will be used to let loose the strike corps into the breach. Only question is, by what name will this rose be called?
That is most succint analysis of CSD for the BRF jirga. :D
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Rohit, thanks :)

In this case, the summary, while colorful, does grave injustice to the horrendous complexity of the manuever. Basically it involves moving the formations and logistics train of a 60k strong strike corps through the positions occupied by the formations of the pivot corps that have created and are holding open a breach in the enemy lines. The movement may have to happen in dark, under fire, and over suspect or damaged infrastructure. All the while both formations will need to keep guard against ambushes, counter attacks and missile strikes.

What all of this requires is tremendously sophisticated C4I capabilities, which have now been repeatedly tested in other exercises.

Kudos to IA and IAF for taking our plains warfare doctrine to a new league.
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From now on, there will be no concentration of the strike corps on the border. Instead, the pivot corps will knock the door down and then a pass-through maneuver (as being rehearsed in this exercise) will be used to let loose the strike corps into the breach.


YIP: The IA had a version of this all through the mid 80s to the mid 90s, when, II Corps had 33 Mech Div and the 1st Armoured Div. The purpose of having the two divs was for the 33rd to knock down the door and get into Pak, while the 1st got in through the door and then spread out. This was the plan for II Corps in Brasstacks!
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^^^Avik, what has happened post 2002 and is a WIP is fundamentally different from earlier versions.
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Pardon me for asking this but what is this WIP???
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work in progress :?:
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Oh. Thanks Krishnan sir.
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Y I Patel wrote:Rohit, thanks :)

In this case, the summary, while colorful, does grave injustice to the horrendous complexity of the manuever. Basically it involves moving the formations and logistics train of a 60k strong strike corps through the positions occupied by the formations of the pivot corps that have created and are holding open a breach in the enemy lines. The movement may have to happen in dark, under fire, and over suspect or damaged infrastructure. All the while both formations will need to keep guard against ambushes, counter attacks and missile strikes.

What all of this requires is tremendously sophisticated C4I capabilities, which have now been repeatedly tested in other exercises.

Kudos to IA and IAF for taking our plains warfare doctrine to a new league.
True indeed. However, The preferred method of committing second echelon force is through gaps or around flanks of the first echelon forces. Generally speaking field commanders have avoided a situation of a passage of lines and intermingling of forces.


Somehow, I just feel it is old wine new bottle or a more politically acceptable CSD concept for the Army .
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manouvre is as old as the history of warfare... what is new here is the networked C4I capability
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rohitvats wrote:
Y I Patel wrote: <SNIP> Oh, how quitely history gets made. From now on, there will be no concentration of the strike corps on the border. Instead, the pivot corps will knock the door down and then a pass-through maneuver (as being rehearsed in this exercise) will be used to let loose the strike corps into the breach. Only question is, by what name will this rose be called?
That is most succint analysis of CSD for the BRF jirga. :D
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