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PostPosted: 31 Oct 2011 20:57 
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What are those wing like thing on that stealth version?


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PostPosted: 31 Oct 2011 22:10 
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I have heard that Apache helicopters were bought under U.S pressure otherwise there were better choppers available in the deal .is it true?


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PostPosted: 31 Oct 2011 22:11 
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PostPosted: 01 Nov 2011 02:21 
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Aayush wrote:
I have heard that Apache helicopters were bought under U.S pressure otherwise there were better choppers available in the deal .is it true?


I heard there is a Mc Donald's joint coming up just outside the Parliament under U.S pressure instead of Sarvanna's which serves healthier fare. However, I chose not to ask if what I "heard" from "source i did not mention" was true.


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PostPosted: 01 Nov 2011 05:49 
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Philip wrote:
"...war is coming".The quote is pertinent,as many analysts have recently written that a '62 style situ is fast developing,with a leadership that has been for almost a decade cuckoo about security and even the phrase accurate or not, "Krishna Menon" situ with the PM,FM and DM allowing babudom to delay ,most urgent acqusiitions,like the artillery requirement for example.I have posted in the Paki thread the news that the Pakis are making huge increases in production of tactical N-weapons and delivery systems for the same,indicating,that they intend using them in a limited war scenario.The dragon-pig combine want to "teach India another lesson",as India's rapid growth has surpprised China and the world sees India as a democratic alternative to totalitarian China,a safer investment haven. AS the contradictions within China come to the fore,its economy will start to fall and to preempt such a flight of western capital,and safeguard its trade and energy supplies,it must neccessarily deliver the lesson to us asap.

Given the huge borders that we will have to defend,with the dragon-pig axis stretching our forces thin all along the frontline with real and fake thrusts into Indian territory,as Shiv soid,force-multiplying assets are the need of the moment.Rapid mobile forces able to sped to the battlezones are essential and to destroy enemy spearheds early before they can consolidate gains on the ground,hold them and win a moral and tactical "victory" before the inevitable cease-fire is imposed upon India,just as we saw in the Kashmir campaign and again in'62.We need at least 200 dedicated attack helos apart from other armed liight and medium utility helos.


I think MMS govt have taken more steps and shown more spine than any govt that I can remeber since Indira Gandhi's time. So much so that it is being accused of indecent haste by you lately. What they have not shown is "macho mardangi" that you like so much in "anti-american" Putin, Kim Jong iL and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

With in the limit of available money, parliametary system and actual ground realities of India what is being done is no worse, if not better, than what NDA or other previous govts achieved with what they had. Indian PM or govt does not have dictatorial powers, it has to go through the same system and rules as every other institution. Military forces are only one of the facet of the national security not an end in itself.

Over $50 Billion worth of arm purchases have been signed in last 5 years alone, another $100 billion in deals are being processed with indecent haste. ~100K new addition in men power, WW2 airfields and ALGs are being opened, roads are approved, military budget has been gone up by ~300% (MMS era) and being utilized almost all of it. Don't forget we are talking about India, not china where a lil CPC dude can order uprooting of millions of people at his whim to make a road, dam, factory, mall, stadium or what ever tickles his fancy. No thank you, I'll take my chances with the delays.......


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PostPosted: 01 Nov 2011 09:22 
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Phillip,
No war is coming, also we are not sitting quite. India is alert and preparing itself.
We just don't do chest thumping bravado. I think that suits our maturity. We don't want to be like
China or Russia.


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PostPosted: 01 Nov 2011 10:51 
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Aayush wrote:
I have heard that Apache helicopters were bought under U.S pressure otherwise there were better choppers available in the deal .is it true?


YES OF COURSE

There is a Ruussian helicopter some KA xyz or Mi abc which is 48.56 % of the size and 33.8356% the weight. It can carry 106.67344% more weapons to 200.324 % more distance. And it will cost only 26.23434% of Apache. But there is only one hitch.

It exisis on PAPER.

It is expected to make its first flight very soon (some time between the next 2 or 735 days).
:rotfl:


It can fly 33000+ feet above ground level, about 67 feet underwater or even 150 below ground.
:rotfl: :rotfl:


It can spot a tank at 33.445 km (when flying at 8 feet above ground level) and destroy it with 23 mm cannon
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:


It is will join the Russian Air Force and Russian Army soon (some time between the next 172 or 1752 days).
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:


Regards.
K


PS My chaiwallah tells me that US will soon replace all their Apaches with this Russian chopper. Very soon India will be the only (stupid) country to still fly the Apache. :(( :(( :((


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PostPosted: 01 Nov 2011 10:54 
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And yes it will be delivered on time with no cost overruns and with spares for a lifetime


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PostPosted: 01 Nov 2011 11:35 
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suryag wrote:
And yes it will be delivered on time with no cost overruns and with spares for a lifetime


Oh Yes. I completely forgot about trivial issues like delivery, fixed price and spares. Thanks a lot for remembering. I will inform the Russians about it. I am sure they will agree wholeheartedly.

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PostPosted: 01 Nov 2011 12:34 
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Err there is no reason to believe that IAF chose Apache over Russian competition for any of the mythical qualities that are being discussed.

Just like for MRCA, IAF tested the various birds and chose the one which most fit its operational needs. That is all.

Once the matter goes into testing, the IAFs organizational behavior is too strong to chose anything but which really works better.


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PostPosted: 01 Nov 2011 12:40 
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suryag wrote:
And yes it will be delivered on time with no cost overruns and with spares for a lifetime


The americans have fantastic manufacturing and project management skills. It sure is a relief that we are getting deliveries earlier or on time.

The other side of the coin is the Americans can charge and get paid quicker too. So it is a win win for both. Time the Ruskies locked away their vodka bottles and got down to work.


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PostPosted: 01 Nov 2011 13:06 
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22 Apache = cold start = 4 Integrated battle groups at least or more?


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PostPosted: 01 Nov 2011 13:30 
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Pl. read the statement of the Wipro Chief Premji today about the UPAs indicesion harming the nation.There is also another report about the futher delay in decisionmaking reg. the second line of subs for the IN,posted in the IN thread.AKA accused of not "cracking the whip" enough,dog and bone squabble for which yard to build them in.

The helo orders are perhaps the easiest of the deals to decide upon as for almost all of them,barring the naval ASW order,there are but two contestants for each.


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PostPosted: 01 Nov 2011 17:32 
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sum wrote:

Arent we getting spanking new ones? :-?


Most definitely.

P-8s are under development/testing still. AFAIK the USN is yet to receive its P-8s. How is that we get used P-8s?? :)


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PostPosted: 01 Nov 2011 21:00 
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My mistake on the P-8i's being used; I was getting confused with earlier reports of India buying used P-3 Orions from the US (which apparently never ended up happening, as we went with P-8i's instead).

On a related note, after losing the MMRCA bid and now having their Mi-28 rejected in favor of the AH-64, the Russians must be very disappointed. They keep losing major contracts from India, a customer which they could always take for granted in the past. I wonder if this latest rejection from India will finally push the Russians into getting their act together.


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PostPosted: 01 Nov 2011 22:29 
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Y. Kanan wrote:
My mistake on the P-8i's being used; I was getting confused with earlier reports of India buying used P-3 Orions from the US (which apparently never ended up happening, as we went with P-8i's instead).

On a related note, after losing the MMRCA bid and now having their Mi-28 rejected in favor of the AH-64, the Russians must be very disappointed. They keep losing major contracts from India, a customer which they could always take for granted in the past. I wonder if this latest rejection from India will finally push the Russians into getting their act together.


personally, I hope that India can get it's LCA/AMCA act together.
If India hopes to rival the US and Russia (not China, since Chin R&D= Ripoff & Duplication) in MilTech, they need to emphasize indigenous weapons systems and stop buying 3rd person arms.


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PostPosted: 02 Nov 2011 00:23 
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Y. Kanan wrote:
On a related note, after losing the MMRCA bid and now having their Mi-28 rejected in favor of the AH-64, the Russians must be very disappointed. They keep losing major contracts from India, a customer which they could always take for granted in the past. I wonder if this latest rejection from India will finally push the Russians into getting their act together.

Who else is going to provide us with SME for our manned space program? Our Lunar program still is a baby. We need Russians for that. INS Arihant, space based EWS for incoming missiles,the list goes on.. who is going to provide us? These programs are much much significant and strategic than some fancy toys. Please do not view India-Russia partnership as those of Cold war days. It is much much more evolved.
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