Bharat Rakshak

We should standardise and use P 28 hull & engines. Top gear can be modified / reduced as required

the Chakra route is the typical one for submarines crossing between IOR and Pacific - the straits between sumatra-java, java-bali and a couple more further east near gili islands and timor.

no submarine uses the Malacca strait and all this talk of "blocking" the PLAN submarine activity by monitoring the malacca is midirected. we need to focus on how to catch subs slipping through these gaps in indonesian chain and disappearing into a deep water trench area to the south....once they break out, the vast empty reaches of the middle and southern IOR is a challenge for anyone to monitor. suffice it to say its impossible for even khan to properly monitor the IOR with just diego and australia as a base.

I cannot imagine anything scarier than being on the high seas in the twilight, and seeing the black hull of a nuke sub, or any sub for that matter, rising in front of me.

That fourth picture gives me that feeling.

a beautiful piece of industrial and functional design no doubt. I like the massive reserve buoyancy of the russian double hull 'heavy' subs of which Akula is one. can sustain some leaks and knocks and still remain afloat.

as a shark she has already claimed the lives of people in the torpedo room fire extinguishing accident. RIP poor souls. I hope Varuna, neptune and poseidon do not demand any more blood.

These look to be the new NOPV, which the IN has ordered nine of them. These are of similar design/dimension to the P-28 ASW Corvette except NOPVs are more lightly armed and possess less sophisticated sensors.

Good news about the larger ATVs carrying ICBMs.The "4-pack" module on ATV-1 will probably see a few more added .

Thanks srai and Kersi, I believe this is the boat:

http://www.goashipyard.co.in/products_s ... vessel.asp

It seems ICG will also be sharing the platform.

We know that 3 follow on SSBN are planned. And most probably the second and third, i.e. S-2 and S-3, SSBN will carry the 1500 km SLBM.

But what I would really like to know is that are there any 2500-3000 km SLBM planned? These would put most of the southern China easily within range from Bay of Bengal. So we would not need not worry about our second-strike option getting neutralized by any *deleted* hunter killer.

Interesting question.

1) if our nuke subs venture too far, someone might take out out nooks n mijjil and send crew back home after questioning. Else we will have to guard them with a fleet.

2) if you have to keep them in bay of bengal, then why bother with a nook sub? Build pantoons, transportable at last minutes.

This has been clarified many times in the past - S-2 is Arihant. & there are 2 more planned S-3 & S-4. S-1 was the test hull.

Pantoons mounted with missiles are detectable. Submerged submarines are difficult to detect. If we have our Nuclear submarines in Bay of Bengal which is essentially an Indian Pond, we can take out very easily any anti-submarine platforms which might harm them.

And my next question would be, when will we go towards a 8000 km SLBM? This way we can position our submarines in the Indian ocean and still target significant area of PRC. Putting our SSBNs in Indian ocean and still making them capable of targeting PRC gives us a very important home advantage.

Currently we do not have that advantage. If we field 1500 km range SLBM, then also our SSBN have to go Western Pacific to target PRC's major economic and political centers.

With that logic, we can have a waterproof canister deployed in Bay of bengal. it will remain there ffor longer time and since needs to be attended less, there will be less detection possibility. Why a nook sub in Bay?

If we go the low cost "pontoon" option for basing our ICBMs,they must first be based in totally destruction proof underground bases of kind similar to that which I've posted earlier,used by the Soviet Navy in the Black Sea.They will be immune to detection from sats, able to ingress and egress underwater ,just like SSBNs,when required,which hopefully not,will almost solely be ,meant for the day when the balloon goes up.Pontoon based ICBMs will prove to be a very cost-effective complement to our SSBNs.

people can track where these pontoons are positioned surely . and since they cannot move on their own, they will be targeted. also with no human operator , its hard to guarantee the thing will work when its time ..... nobody in history has deployed SLBMs on unmanned pontoons.

Sorry,I meant pontoon/barges which have small motors such as the aux motors on subs when in stealth/silent mode,These motors can operate upto speeds of 5kts.Since the barges s/ill never be exposed to open surveillance,even their very existence will be speculative and unknown.Located safe in their underwater/gound bastins (similar to those of the Soviets in the earlier post) ,they will egress UW only when launch is imminent.

One must recollect the USN's experimental first stealth ship ("barge") which was revolutionary in shape a few decades ago.It was scarcely detected when conducting its nighttime trials.Though it wasn't an UW vessel,its small size and shape proved very successful and the Swedish Visby stealth corvette is a direct development of that concept.Perhaps the UW BM barge could be India's secret weapon.

If that is true, it is good news. We need atleast 20-24 of these. Hopefully they will also order another round of 8-12 P8-I's, after evaluating the first unit.

Wiki gives unit cost of $104 million

From NG marketing item:



1 nm = 1.14 miles, so about 2,300 miles radius.

Gulf of Aden to tip of 'Nam is around 6000 miles. Andaman-Hainan is about 1500 miles. IF one of these birds is allowed over flight to the Gulf of Thailand .........................

I would be worried about the link that controls them, more than anything else.

30 hour endurance.

Just BTW, Uncle plans on 5 locations where he will station the same bird. One of them is DG.

Talk of a 1000 ship navy.

It could be the case that the over-riding concern is about what can go wrong.
What if something malfunctions? We have a nuke at the bottom of the sea?
There could be physical sabotage, electronic hacking etc.
With nukes involved, there always seems to be a man-in-the-loop to take care of things.

--Ashish

^^Holy $%#^...the vid of the Shark simply surfaced in the middle of the ocean itself is so awe-inspiring.

Cant imagine the dhoti-browning moment the enemy will have if this beast suddenly pops up in front of them out in the high seas!!

Mis,the missile barge would have limited mobility and needs to just peek out of her secure bastion once when the sh*t hits the fan, few hundred metres would be enough ,to launch her arrows.There would be no need for her to move out into deepwaters at all and she could be safe inside harbour defences,UW barriers/nets,etc.She would have a very small crew,like those on a mini-sub for command,navigation ,propulsion,commns, and a WSO.Think of her as a mobile missile launcher like our rail/road mounted ones,with limited movement on/under water.

that black silhouette and the huge sonar housing atop the fin, silent, huge, mysterious is worth the price of admission alone.
captain nemo stuff.

no other sub except perhaps the Typhoon has the stage presence and mystique of the Akula...it looks different.

Flew in and out of Goa.INS Hansa is really awe inspiring.I saw 5-6 IL-38's,3 Sea kings,couple of Chetaks,a Kiran MK-2,a lone Sagar Pawan,8-9 Dorniers and 2 beautiful MIG-29K's.I also the onshore training facility for INS Vikramaditya,It was basically a large ramp in the shape of a ski jump at the end of a runway.

Maza aaa gaya!

Today is a good day to die ..... for the Puke Navy!!!

I cant get over this video.
Just out of curiosity when was the video taken. During its voyage to India ?

probably off the russian coast. the colour of the water and general grayness speaks of north pacific?

IMHO, we can build out underwater silos near A&N islands. I don't think anyone is going to pick activity. A submerged immovable target near an island will be difficult to pick up and if anyone snoops, he will have to bring in a lot of visible resources.

Off the coast of Vladivostok , crew were being transferred to Chakra on her journey back to India.

This the the moment we were waiting for

Source: LiveFist

gr8. Thanks.

Why is that one tube opening cover coloured differently?

^^ Errr, where are the Mithai's now that the Shark has had her bath in SDRE warm tropical waters?

Great nonaligned photo

What's the ship between INS Chakra and INS Jalashwa -- a visiting LPD?

India inducts Nuclear Submarine INS Chakra

formally inducted. i will keep this news updated on same link.

Only thing I can see between Jalashwa and Chakra is speed boat. if you are talking of the ship behind Jalashwa it would be either Deepak or Aditya the replenishment ships.