Bharat Rakshak

Where does the Arihant fit in exactly?

Wouldnt everyone like to know that? Dont think anyone other than Russia knows that at the moment

with due respect since this is our first venture it might be between DELTA III & AKULA I

Breach of National security detected MODS plij to do waji-bull-cutlet some posts here

July 11, 2012 :: First P-8 For Indian Navy To Be Tested at Canadian-U.S. Test Range

Boeing P-18 for India successfully tested (DDM alert in title)

Indian Navy Ka-28 anti-submarine helis to be upgraded by Russia with Italian help



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Some details on the Selex Galileo ATOS

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Its at the tip of the arrow head

Can someone analyze this ship concept and its potential role for IN?
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/12/world ... picks=true

Vikie

^^Why is an Su-33 landing on it?

I guess its not landing. The tail hook is not lowered. It looks like a touch n go.

Any idea; which sub is near Vik...

a typhoon SSBN.

Very Good News for India. We should consider for P75I:

Australian Navy Eyeing Off New Japanese Submarines


http://www.smh.com.au/national/navy-eye ... 21pgb.html

Exactly. Su-33 are not going to land they are just checking landing approaches and other equipment. MiGs are scheduled to start flying next week.

>> The 4200-tonne Soryu-class boats are the only new conventional submarines of the size and capabilities set out in Canberra's 2009 defence white paper for 12 new submarines to take over from the Collins-class subs from the late 2020s.

I was the one who first pointed out the Soryu was the only ticket for our P75I ...notwithstanding various euro-pretenders trying to scale up 3X from usual size and offering themselves as contenders. the Aus is being realistic for once and not going full blast for 688I refurbished subs which is also an option.

I hope we dont end up with a small sub like Scorpene for p75I. its already late. being small and late is worse.

you can see the size of Soryu compared to humans here. its big http://www.military-today.com/navy/soryu_class_l3.jpg
should be able to accomodate brahmos/nirbhay 8pack with a slight extention.

I was wondering why the Aussies would go for a bigger sub given its higher complement of personnel and their dismal staff issues, the high level of automation in the Soryu makes sense.

Aus needs range and endurance to bring their subs into action in south china sea .... there is no escaping that req for them. everything they use needs to have range and loiter time. the FB111 was also purchased with that in mind - the ONLY overseas buyer.

I don't think the GOI / IN is seriously contemplating the Soryu but it does seem to be ideal for IN second line of subs.. will the japs sell it is the question .. it would take Indo Jap military cooperation to unprecedented levels.

''Their submarine, by all accounts, and their design and the evolution of that design, has by all accounts brought them to the point of having a very good submarine,'' Rear-Admiral Moffitt said.
''However, submarine technology tends to be crown-jewel stuff for nations, it tends to be at the most extreme end of sensitivity that nations have about protecting their intellectual property - especially if they have developed it themselves, as Japan has, as the US has. They've invested a vast amount of money doing that.''


Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/navy-eye ... z20QS9c7Tp

I doubt that will come thru without VLS tubes. The IN apparently wanted VLS as one of the requirements of p75I.

that beast is nearly gorky's length !

They are the biggest subs ever built at 175 m!

The first pic shows a Mig-29 already on it. So they must have done one landing at least. That's why I got confused with the Su-33 coming in.

Not necessarily , the plane/s may have been loaded up fm ashore by crane

yes indeed- that is the non-flying MiG-29K prototype before the new unified MiG-29K/KUB family was developed. It was loaded on to the INS Vikramaditya via a crane and is used for non-flying tests aboard the carrier as of now.

No. That bird didn't land. Was transferred by a crane still at shipyard.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/HTNext/Li ... 88447.aspx

Probably something India could plan as well to keep out where Chinese or paki subs are not needed !

Actually if we sink a few coastal ships it will create a threat, which will for all practically purposes keep these ships tied to their harbors. It is the proper application of this threat which will be of use to us. These two approaches, i.e. threat to coastal shipping and taking out the plants themselves will complement each other.
Not only that, with the Chinese economy expected to depend on exports and imports a lot, more than India, the threat will also choke the flow of sea borne trade to China.

It is not only essential to defeat the enemy on the battle field but it is also essential to weaken his ability to wage a war, hence the need to target the economic base of China.

The "I" in P-8I stands for India. That is because the aircraft has incorporated into it customisations, which includes certain systems developed in India & removal of some American systems whose exports are prohibited by U.S legislations, In addition, India's has also refused to accede to America's demands for signing with it agreements, among which is the Communication Interoperability & Security Memorandum of Agreement [CISMOA], that demands compatibilityof communication systems used on India's weapon platform with the American communication equipment. Such communication equipment that India would be bound have on board the system [theP-8I, in this case] would be provided to it by the Americans themselves. Any removal of this equipment from the weapon platform owned & operated by India, would require thatIndia take prior permission from the Americans before proceeding. In addition, America, upon signing the agreement, would be within its rights to demand an inspection of the communication equipment, as and when it deems necessary, and India would be duty-bound to take the American inspectors to carry out their jobs.
Indigenous systems on-board the aircraft include,
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Identification Friend or Foe [IFF] Interrogator developed by the Bharat Electronics Ltd. [BEL]
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Identification Friend or Foe [IFF] Transponders by the Hindustan Aeronautics Limited [HAL]
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Mobile Satellite Service [MSS] System built by the Hyderabad-based Avantel Limited
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Speech secrecy system supplied by the Electronic Corporation of India Limited
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Weapons bay door by HAL
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Data Link II designed & developed by BEL
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Auxiliary Power Unit [APU] Door Fairing by the Tata Advanced Materials [TAM]
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Tailcone of the aircraft by HAL
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Nose Radar radome by TAM
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Power & Mission equipment cabinets supplied by Dynamitcs Technologies Limited
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Radar Fingerprinting System by BEL
It also appears that the Navy has chosen to arm it with the Harpoon asits Anti-Ship Cruise Missile, one that isalready in the Indian inventory. The Americans are expected to arm theirswith the Standoff Land Attack Missile[Extended Range] [SLAM-ER].
While the Indian Navy has placed a confirmed order of 12 of these aircrafts, some reports suggest that the number could rise to 24. These American aircraft are being acquired to replace the older generation of Soviet-era Tupolev Tu-142 maritime aircrafts, that the Navy currently operates.
Yesterday, Boeing announced the commencement of flight test of the first P-8I already built. Upon completion of trials, it is expected to be delivered to India next year, in 2013.
"During the coming months, Boeing test pilots will put the P-8I, a Next-Generation 737-800 derivative, through its paces over a U.S. Navy test range west of Neah Bay, Wash., and a joint U.S./Canadian test range in the Strait of Georgia.
"Today's flight is another on-time milestone for the program," said Leland Wight, Boeing P-8I program manager. "We'll start out testing the P-8I's mission system, which includesits sensors and communication systems. The team then will transition to 'stores' tests during which the P-8I will carry inert weapon shapes under its wings to demonstrate that the aircraft is capable of carrying all the weapons the Indian Navy will use during regular missions.""

http://www.aame.in/2012/07/p-8i-poseido ... ft-of.html

Shameful state of affairs. According to the schedule, the carrier was supposed to be 25k pounds by Oct 2010, it is just 14k pounds in July 2012.

India’s aircraft carrier ambitions take a dive | TOI

its better additional facilities be built up at Kochi and IAC-II block construction start well before the IAC-1 completion. else we will not see IAC-II before 2030 at the least.

Why isnt anyone surprised anymore with delays these days IAC 2 should be started asap. Take americian help if needed. They did offer to help in building the carriers. Alternatively buy one of the Elizabeth class carriers

a couple of queries to those who know.The Cochin shipyard is highly unionized.Is there a chance bribes/under dealings to those or with the suppliers can delay the whole project ? China is very active in India in denying or slowing supply / access to equipment / resources especially to key defence projects.The AWACS project with Israel has already been delayed due to short supply of some vital equipment which Israel does not make.Any knows what exactly is going on here ? The shipyard is already used to modular ship building for some time now and was one of the first in the country to do so

IAC target of 2015 was always ambitious for a SY that has no experience in building such ships , even MDL with decades of experience in building Frigates and Destroyers had delays with P-17 and it took 7 years from launch to commision.

IAC is a far bigger and complicated ship and IN is always stringent with its needs......a more practical date from launch , sea trials and commissioning with Navy will be 2019-2020 ....any thing earlier would be a bonus for Navy.

Cochin shipyard is the only one having modular construction setup and they did a good job with indigenous refit of INS Viraat, so they were entrusted with building IAC, I guess. Neither MDL nor GRSE have modular construction setup and are being upgraded now which might have some effect on ongoing construction work. Also, the problem with the delays is due to delayed deliveries of Turbines/gear boxes/weapon suites both for Shivaliks and IAC.

I suppose they could not refit Viraat any where other then cochin as it only had the capacity to handle big ship.

But building a new ship like Aircraft Carrier is magnitude of order far complex task and modular construction is just one part of the big jigsaw puzzle , assuming CSL has ever built a huge ship using modular construction or IAC is the first of its kind to be built using such methods.

I think with delays the final cost of IAC will also go up by how much remains to be seen .....a more accurate figure for IAC will emerge when the ship gets commissioned.

its crucial that another drydock and piers of larger size be made there in parallel so that we can have 2 carriers always in construction. these are very long lead items for most nations and getting 2 every decade is better than 1 a decade.

When the project was first touted to be built at home and at Cochin,it all seemed highly ambitious and too good to be true.Sadly,yet again our desi yards hve been found wanting.Admittedly,there are good reasons,but we always seem to suffer from the "no one is acountable,therefore no one is at fault" syndrome.We reward the underachievers with padma awards and fat pensions and perks for the incompetent.The only silver lining in the clouds is that the Gorky/Vik is undergoing her sea trials and should be commissioned into the IN by early 2013 or as hoped by Navy Day 2012 ,and that the Viraat can still manfully soldier on if looked after with care until her tiny fleet of Sea Harriers last out.Even here we have lost the opportunity of picking up a dozen or two ex-RN Harriers ,70+ which were in excellent condition from the RN,who have now sold the entire lot,stock and barrel to the USMC!

At this rate,the IAC-2,which is to be a larger carrier of 65,000t+ if built in India,will only kiss water sometime in the next decade! This is a serious development especially when viewed in the context of the PLAN's massive naval ambitions.The IN should seriously think of buying the second RN carrier beign built for a cash-strapped RN if the RN is willing to sell it.It does appear that for some time to come,the IN's MIG-29Ks will be operating from naval air stations in the main.