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IAC-1 really now has to battle against all odds

Is Rahul Gandhi a defence enthusiast?

Today when i saw this news first time, i pray to GOD Please not this one for this ministry , give him something related to entertainment will suit him best.

Yes my worry was last time Rahul Ghandi took special Interest in soemthing it was in INC winning Bihar and UP elections. I hope IAC-1 Fate is much better.personally I wish he took interest in something else.

Could give positive outcomes.. as he got less than 1.5 years to prove himself. May try to move things faster and compared to AKA nobody will dare questioning his decisions.

Only drawback I see is, as always he may continue on his low self confidence track and over rely on free advice giver oldies around him.

we should invite him to join BRF

next thing we know undieTV will fall in line and be all praise for us.

No Mr Sridhar do not jump to such conclusions.

When Russia delays and we complain then we become anti Russians ?

When US delivers something on time and we praise, we become arse lickers ?

I think all of us are mature enough to distinguish between praise and arse licking though on may get carried away occasiosnally


K

Hahahahaha.

Came across a report that neither were the French for the Rafale.

Did the Soviets or Russia share such matters? I doubt it. But .....

Sridhar, you have been here for barely over a month, perhaps you should read more and post less for a while.

the two indian P8I nose to nose under a blue sky...OEM grade psyops.....http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-YQVL4ICHWPg/U ... 730661.jpg

Tomorrow is Commissioning of INS Sahyadri.

Livefist has posted photos of INS Sahyadri, anyone from BR attending the commissioning ceremony?

http://livefist.blogspot.in/2012/07/first-impressions-f49-ins-sahyadri.html

has this been posted before?? apologies if yes..

Interview with Rear Admiral KN Vaidyanathan, Director General Naval Design

'The P-17 Frigates, heralds a paradigm shift in the design'

ABG has done a marvelous job with the pollution control vessels and delivery was real fast, they also pack in large tons at around 4500. Similarly, the offshore patrol vessels that Pipavav is building are supposed to be built within 3 years, and will most probably enter service from 2013 onwards. Since the Navy is the cornerstone for indigenization, maybe more orders for warships can be given to these private players as now they really have demonstrated their capabilities.

Something for the Water Gurus:


http://www.business-standard.com/india/ ... vy/481064/

What would be the Components of an Indian CBG?

What does Ajai Shukla smokes , 3 carriers by end of decade ? By the end of this decade the IN should have 2 carrier , the decision to construct the 3rd one has yet to be taken and likely the navy would wait and see how the IAC develops before taking a decision on 2nd IAC or bigger one.

Wasnt there a news report a week back about work having started on the second IAC?

There is a new picture of P-28 Kamorta on this forum

http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/indi ... tes-4.html

Not sure if it was posted earlier. I hope it joins IN by end of 2012 along with a Kolkota

7 warships per aircraft carrier is not set in stone. In peacetime deployment, it is far less -- 1 DDG, 1 or 2 FFG, 0 or 1 or 2 Corvette, 1 or 0 SSKs, and 1 fleet tanker.

During wartime, CBG would be larger.

• 1 x Aircraft Carrier
• 1 to 2 x DDG
• 2 to 4 x FFG
• 1 to 2 x Corvette (ASW)
• 1 to 2 x SSK/SSN
• 1 x Fleet tanker

what is the plough like black thing in the boat in last pic?

Which CBG are you talking about? Certainly no Indian CBG will have that many assets. I would say 1 x AC, 1 x DDG, 1 x FFG, 1 x Fleet Tanker and maybe 2 x ASW Corvettes. Certainly no SSK as they can't keep up.

its the anchor. its set far up on edge of bow to avoid dropping on the bulbous sonar dome below the base of the bow where it meets the water.

First touch-and-goes by MiG-29KUB over the weekend. First landing should be in couple of days.

There is no 'peacetime' in the Navy. When ships leave harbour, there are ready for war in a moment's notice unlike the army and the air force which require a degree of mobilisation. Warships always have their magazines full with live rounds.

An aircraft carrier is a capital asset, which will be accorded maximum protection at all times when at sea. Absolutely no chances will be taken even if the threat forecast says clear blue skies.

Whether we like it or not Uncle Sam sets the template for Carrier Battle Groups. It has never been tested by a credible opposing force but it is the template to follow, and in our threat scenario, we will go for a beefier version of the escort groups, which will not only have to weather a first blow but also have reserves for a second or possibly third strike. The Vikramaditya and its follow-ons, are infinitely more valuable assets than the carrier we have now or have operated in the past. In modern naval warfare, individual battleships or small formations have very little survival chances in blue waters. Thus they will be grouped together with the carrier to create a fighting fist.

A typical IN CBG operating in blue waters with no shore based support would possibly look like this:

Aircraft Carrier

2 x P-15A DDGs: These would be to exclusively protect the carrier and perform the role of the American Aegis cruisers.

1 x P-15 DDG + 1 x R-class DDG: These would be the force multipliers and reserve.

2 x P-17 FFG: These are very interesting ships, which will dual task in both anti-air and ASW

2 x Talwar-class: These would be tasked exclusively for ASW.

2 x Scorpenes: These would be the underwater guard dogs

1 x INS Chakra: This asset will be more forward deployed and not tethered to the carrier to clear the way.

1 x P-8I: One long-range P-8I will be dedicated to missions around the carrier at all times.

2 x fleet tanker: We have an oil burning carrier, so one tanker will exclusively support it. Plus a third tanker will be in reserve to replace a spent tanker.

Some of you might think this is too heavy, but there are some factors I have taken into account:

1. Lack of carrier borne fixed wing AEW. You need more anti-air and radar assets simply because of this. This Achilles heel has to be covered in triplicate.

2. Number of carrier borne aircraft is lower and our sortie generation rate is lower with our carrier design.

3. Depletion in Submarine force levels means you need more surface ASW assets

It is actually a blessing that the IAC has been delayed because new vessels for escort are lagging behind. So instead of rationing resources, one strong CBG can be deployed.

the P28 ships with their 8xKlub ASM missiles are in theory more ideal ASW assets for carrier protection than the Talwar class. now if only we can enough of them in service quickly enough...

@ Singha:

I believe there is still reasonable doubt as to whether the Kamortas will carry the Klub ASW missile. The pictures of models indicate torpedo tubes and RBU launchers, but the only long range ASW weapon is the on-board helicopter

On a related note, does the IN even possess the Klub ASW missile? I though the Anti-Shipping 3M-54E variant is the only one carried by Talwar/Shivalik/Kilo. Any ideas publix???

Regards,

That forum has taken from here only. It was posted some time back by me.

Anyways Isn't Indian Navy becoming an ASW Force?

There have been no reports of 91RE2 ever being exported, as for P-28 having Klub the model of it doesn't display it nor does there seem to be any room for it, so not sure where that info came from.

@ John

Thanks for the info. It's exactly what I suspected

btw, any ideas why the IN chose not to procure a rocket delivered torpedo weapon? Given our ASW focus since 1971 and the fact that every home grown 3000+ ton warship is designed with a 2 Sea King hangar, I find it somewhat surprising

Is it because the Arabian Sea / Bay of Bengal / Indian Ocean are relatively calmer waters, and the escort commander can always call upon helicopter support at all times of the year? I would think that helicopter ops are somewhat compromised by the monsoons

Regards,

The IN corvettes are as big as the frigates of most navies.

http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NEWS/news ... wsid=19450
so who is going to install them on the p8-i? I thought it would be HAL.

I would expect a friend to do it.

http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/unusu ... ub-la.html
Simply superb!!!!
yay!!!

btw, the russkies did b@lls-squash-ki at around 1:50 of the video. Nice video of indiski kub landing on indiski vikramaditya.

I've wondered about the P-28's weapons fit. I mean, 3100T full load and absolutely NO AShW or ASW strike weapons. Strictly defensive fit:

1x76mm
2xAK630 CIWS
2xRBU 6000
16 Barak-1 SR-SAM
2x3 324mm TTs

I mean that's like a fit for a sub-2000T corvette, not a 3000T+ vessel. What's the deal? What role is envisaged for this class?