Bharat Rakshak

Gurus any info about this tests?

MKB was very appreciative of the "measured" response of Chinese to the test, atleast in the TimesNow debate i saw him on.

we should be seeing the user trials of A1 and A2 soon. they need to test before monsoon in june closes the test launch window for some time until august.

Since A2s can take more maal, they can do the MIRVs as well.

Thanks for info, Sir!

Why should there be a "launch window" for a inducted missile? Shouldnt it be all weather?

I can understand the perfect conditions when in developmental stage to aid in telemetry, data gathering etc but why should a inducted platform assume ideal conditions?

Literally stole my thoughts.I have the same question.

don't we need to collect metrics how the multiple RVs perform? data collections are important.

^^ Am sure they would be collected in "development phases" of the missile. Surely, a missile pulled out of the user stock cannot have new RVs etc to test compared to what what there when inducted.

If it is not so, it is wrong to call it a user trial and can be called as development trials itself since the missile has been modified and isnt from user stock?

agreed.. but we should not get caught up in naming conventions.. there are many things that needs to piggy back, when we can maximize every launch. But then, we both are assuming anyways. Never had DRDO launched everything all at one. It has always done some niche subsystems in earlier launches, and hence my thought.

again: if we prioritize these two:

1. mirv (example)
2. all weather launch (expensive user trial)

I would choose 1 first.

^^that means chinese have already shipped the missiles and manuals in pinglish and assembled.. this time it was easier because the courier service took an airdash.

btw, that video link has NSFW sub-contents [warning]

Saiksir, if this is true, hw this will affect the Israel factor wrt chipandas... ?

I sincerely hope it is not true.. but highly plausible thought though.

recently the chinese had problems with oil deals with Iran.. and are in confused state.
if Israel attacks iranian oil [right time actually].. chinese are screwed from double side.

things can be fluctuating for pakis, but pakis are already screwed.

I think we should keep our ABM tests ready.. just in case those paki ones veers off trajectory and hits our land.

So, China has supplied dwarf missiles to Pakistan? Hope they remembered to send blue prints for toilets too.

Well done

There is the possibility that A1 and A2 will be tested with the latest Guidance and control combo pack (RINS+MINGS). So you do need telemetry and tracking data to analyze the performance of the subsystems. There may be other subsystem up-gradations too.

well, normally it would not take more than few hours of painting job.. if you consider die-hard jihadies about 50 of them with green brush. this is not the case of blue-prints, rather a case of how to show a scaled down version of dwarf case.. I would doubt any of those Df31s are designed like agni series, hence dwarfing would be impossible.

Dunno.. and I am sure it should be some oldie boldie one.. so that old paki musharrafs have some stinks remain to maintain parity with India.

pakis are on the last die point in life.. they have to give up kashmir, and after that avalanche imagine this one hits another avalanche again.

and even blue prints for toilets will not help them.. as the saying goes in malloo land.. can't dig the ground like cat, when they have to go.. and this one would be done inside their pants onlee.

Missile Mélange: Behind the scenes at the launch of Agni V
Good read.

I am all for it!

@rohitvats


So might be a noko test-II from Paki

Another quote for everyone to match us.

Old report. I do not remember seeing it here.
AGni V fires India into ICBM League - Raj Chengappa

Sensors aboard the RV??

It could be more on the Stages. I want to know which ABM can defeat a 25 mach agni bhairva hurling down from the skies for doom?

nah lets stop with these renaming.

Let it be Wheeler

one of the complexes or something coming up can be named after Kalam

There was a talk a while ago about the possibility of having conformal antennas on the 2nd and 3rd stages along with whole system packages included in the RV itself. This lets the missile take care of mid-course and final stage ABM defences.

Dharma, during the atm reentry, the hot plasma that surrounds the warhead would hinder radar. A large ground target might still be visible, but a small airborne target like an ABM would likely not be detectable. So, real-time evasion might not be an option. Also, in the case of Topol-M type MARVs, the manouevring is not violent as a SSM in the final phase, it is far more gentle. Of course, at Mach 25, even gentle movements can misguide the enemy by tens of km..."is it going towards North Beijing or South?"

I think a MARV (plus penetration aids) really comes into its own against long-range exo-atmosphreric ABMs, not so much against point-defence endo-atmospheric stuff. And given a large enough warhead on the MARV, a point-defence ABM might be too late.

of course there exists a remote chance to hit the RV.. and the purpose would perhaps only reduce infrastructure destruction alone.. even a mid air interception within the atmosphere happens, the radiation effects remains for living creatures.

this is the whole point of ABMs.. and the MAD., and you see we don't want to be MAD till we have our ABMs ready to kill before reentry. mid-course kill is the best option for mother EARTH. For that, we need our extensive setup for launch detections and such satellite based radar setup.

the investment for launch detection needs to be large and quick reaction support. We need to detect within a minute of launch. onleee the khaaans have it now. let our drdo announce that we have established a world wide (err Europe-Africa-Asia-Aus] wide launche detection system, and claim a test detection happened and log them - send it to DDM.. See what happens to all the MAD guys.. the real bhairav will do a natraj in the space, while all will chaddi shiver.

That is when, chippanda will feel outdated - run away from aksai chin, tibet and pakis will wag their pigtails that they were never ever enemies to us.. just walk over and cleanse the himalayas later.

this is going to make the chinese batnuts, having a "extention" of the IN prowling around in the seas of vietnam, close to their Sanya base ... heh heh heh.

Maybe every Indian ship is already equipped

That is a tremendous idea arharya ji.. have all our ships with missile tracking system, and integrate it with naval cnc.

Now why in God's name would we wanna openly admit that?

--Ashish

I would rather it be renamed Kalam Island than Wheeler Island. Kalamji put it on the map and made it famous.

Gopalpur On Sea was a nearby port.

ONGC also contributed for tracking the bird. No harm in saying that. Anyways any Indian ship is fair game to Pakis masquerading as Somali pirates!

Yes, any ABM system effective against IRBM and above, is bound to be horrendously expensive...we could have a fully deployed road-mobile A5 force for 1/10 the cost of a partly-effective ABM system.

As long as we have the tracking system to know who fired a BM at us, and the ability to respond in kind, that should deter at least the Panda. Crazed Pakis are unpredictable, so maybe we HAVE to have some ABM capability against SRBM/MRBM-type threats from the West, regardless of cost.

A page from their fishing trawlers, that have the support of Myanmar, SL, BD, ...?

soviets also operated a lot of spy trawlers worldwide, fitted up to observe and snoop on american naval task forces.

What would be the cost of additional equipment if we fit say 200 medium to big Non-IN ships/trawlers.
We need to plan the data network, operational cost etc..