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Gurus any info about this tests?

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Crucial tests of three Agni missiles soon
http://ibnlive.in.com/news/crucial-test ... 0-117.html
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Preparations are on at the Wheelers Island off the Odisha coast for a series of tests of three Agni missiles, including the maiden test of India’s longest-range ballistic missile Agni-5. They will be held shortly. Prior to the first development trial of 5,000-km range Agni-5, the DRDO has planned to conduct two user trials of 700-km range Agni-1 and 2,000-km range Agni-2 missile.
As India is attempting its first intercontinental missile test, scientists are leaving no stone unturned for a successful mission. A defence official said the three missiles would require three separate range configurations.
Hence, they would be test-fired on three occasions between April 18 and April 25.


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Waiting for ARoy and Pankaj Mishra types to write on futility of A5 tests.
Anyway what is take of M.K.Bhadrakumar on A5 test.

MKB was very appreciative of the "measured" response of Chinese to the test, atleast in the TimesNow debate i saw him on.


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PostPosted: 24 Apr 2012 19:50 
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we should be seeing the user trials of A1 and A2 soon. they need to test before monsoon in june closes the test launch window for some time until august.


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Since A2s can take more maal, they can do the MIRVs as well.


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PostPosted: 24 Apr 2012 20:02 
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Singha wrote:
we should be seeing the user trials of A1 and A2 soon. they need to test before monsoon in june closes the test launch window for some time until august.


Thanks for info, Sir!


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we should be seeing the user trials of A1 and A2 soon. they need to test before monsoon in june closes the test launch window for some time until august.

Why should there be a "launch window" for a inducted missile? Shouldnt it be all weather?

I can understand the perfect conditions when in developmental stage to aid in telemetry, data gathering etc but why should a inducted platform assume ideal conditions?


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PostPosted: 24 Apr 2012 20:09 
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Literally stole my thoughts.I have the same question.


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PostPosted: 24 Apr 2012 20:10 
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don't we need to collect metrics how the multiple RVs perform? data collections are important.


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^^ Am sure they would be collected in "development phases" of the missile. Surely, a missile pulled out of the user stock cannot have new RVs etc to test compared to what what there when inducted.

If it is not so, it is wrong to call it a user trial and can be called as development trials itself since the missile has been modified and isnt from user stock?


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PostPosted: 24 Apr 2012 20:15 
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agreed.. but we should not get caught up in naming conventions.. there are many things that needs to piggy back, when we can maximize every launch. But then, we both are assuming anyways. Never had DRDO launched everything all at one. It has always done some niche subsystems in earlier launches, and hence my thought.

again: if we prioritize these two:

1. mirv (example)
2. all weather launch (expensive user trial)

I would choose 1 first.


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After Agni-V, Pakistan to launch long-range missile in Indian Ocean

http://www.sify.com/news/pak-to-launch- ... fjiai.html

http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/332452/ ... weapon.htm


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http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NEWS/newsrf.php?newsid=18020

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BEL suffered major setbacks during this past financial year. The company failed to complete delivery of the Akash SAMs (Surface-to-Air Missiles) and, only managed to deliver 50 out of 96 that were originally ordered. “Production has resumed again after facing technical difficulties. We are hoping to complete the order by December 12, 2012”.



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PostPosted: 24 Apr 2012 20:57 
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^^that means chinese have already shipped the missiles and manuals in pinglish and assembled.. this time it was easier because the courier service took an airdash.

btw, that video link has NSFW sub-contents [warning]


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PostPosted: 24 Apr 2012 21:03 
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SaiK wrote:
^^that means chinese have already shipped the missiles and manuals in pinglish and assembled.. this time it was easier because the courier service took an airdash.

btw, that video link has NSFW sub-contents [warning]


Saiksir, if this is true, hw this will affect the Israel factor wrt chipandas... :-? ?


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PostPosted: 24 Apr 2012 21:32 
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I sincerely hope it is not true.. but highly plausible thought though.

recently the chinese had problems with oil deals with Iran.. and are in confused state.
if Israel attacks iranian oil [right time actually].. chinese are screwed from double side.

things can be fluctuating for pakis, but pakis are already screwed.

I think we should keep our ABM tests ready.. just in case those paki ones veers off trajectory and hits our land.


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So, China has supplied dwarf missiles to Pakistan? Hope they remembered to send blue prints for toilets too.


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PostPosted: 24 Apr 2012 21:56 
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So, China has supplied dwarf missiles to Pakistan? Hope they remembered to send blue prints for toilets too.

:rotfl:
Well done


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PostPosted: 24 Apr 2012 21:59 
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sum wrote:
^^ Am sure they would be collected in "development phases" of the missile. Surely, a missile pulled out of the user stock cannot have new RVs etc to test compared to what what there when inducted.

If it is not so, it is wrong to call it a user trial and can be called as development trials itself since the missile has been modified and isnt from user stock?

There is the possibility that A1 and A2 will be tested with the latest Guidance and control combo pack (RINS+MINGS). So you do need telemetry and tracking data to analyze the performance of the subsystems. There may be other subsystem up-gradations too.


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well, normally it would not take more than few hours of painting job.. if you consider die-hard jihadies about 50 of them with green brush. this is not the case of blue-prints, rather a case of how to show a scaled down version of dwarf case.. I would doubt any of those Df31s are designed like agni series, hence dwarfing would be impossible.

Dunno.. and I am sure it should be some oldie boldie one.. so that old paki musharrafs have some stinks remain to maintain parity with India.

pakis are on the last die point in life.. they have to give up kashmir, and after that avalanche imagine this one hits another avalanche again.

and even blue prints for toilets will not help them.. as the saying goes in malloo land.. can't dig the ground like cat, when they have to go.. and this one would be done inside their pants onlee.


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well, normally it would not take more than few hours of painting job.. if you consider die-hard jihadies about 50 of them with green brush. this is not the case of blue-prints, rather a case of how to show a scaled down version of dwarf case.. I would doubt any of those Df31s are designed like agni series, hence dwarfing would be impossible.

Dunno.. and I am sure it should be some oldie boldie one.. so that old paki musharrafs have some stinks remain to maintain parity with India.

pakis are on the last die point in life.. they have to give up kashmir, and after that avalanche imagine this one hits another avalanche again.

and even blue prints for toilets will not help them.. as the saying goes in malloo land.. can't dig the ground like cat, when they have to go.. and this one would be done inside their pants onlee.


:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:


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Missile Mélange: Behind the scenes at the launch of Agni V
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An emotional DRDO chief VK Saraswat told Kalam, “Sir, the funny guys have done it again.” This was reference to the term ‘Funny Guys’ that Kalam called them when he was DRDO chief, particularly when the team goofed up. So grateful is the missile team of Kalam’s guidance in the past that they plan to send a proposal to the government to rename Wheeler Island as Kalam Island.

I am all for it!


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^^^After the NOKO ding-dong blew up in the mid-air, poakroaches might be worried about the stuff they have been sold. Hence, a test for QC purpose and that too, over water because last thing a general sahab wants is some metal piece falling into his lawn....!!!


So might be a noko test-II :D from Paki :?:


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As a wag remarked, “We do champagne stuff for the country by spending just beer money!

Another quote for everyone to match us.


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Old report. I do not remember seeing it here.
AGni V fires India into ICBM League - Raj Chengappa
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Cries of ‘Bharat Mata Ki Jai’ rant the air as did ‘India and DRDO Zindabad’. Many retired senior scientists who were invited to witness the launch had tears in their eyes as they savoured the moment. Addressing the gathering from atop the shoulders of his team members, Saraswat said, “Today we have made history. India is now a major missile power. We have done India proud.”

India’s missile scientists had, indeed, made history. Not only had they got the whole nation riveted to TV sets early in the morning but had also fired a shot that was heard across the world. April 19, 2012, will long be remembered in the annals of India’s strategic weapons quest as the day on which India finally came of age in terms of missilery.

With the success of Agni V, Chander told his wildly cheering team, “India had joined the select club of nations with Inter-Continental Ballistic Missile (ICBM) capabilities. Now we have the capability of developing and deploying missiles, anywhere, to any place in the world and at any time.”
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“Most important the future will have intelligent warheads which are able to detect counter measures against them by the enemy and take evasive measures.”

Sensors aboard the RV??


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It could be more on the Stages. I want to know which ABM can defeat a 25 mach agni bhairva hurling down from the skies for doom?


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nah lets stop with these renaming.

Let it be Wheeler

one of the complexes or something coming up can be named after Kalam


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Old report. I do not remember seeing it here.
AGni V fires India into ICBM League - Raj Chengappa
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Cries of ‘Bharat Mata Ki Jai’ rant the air as did ‘India and DRDO Zindabad’. Many retired senior scientists who were invited to witness the launch had tears in their eyes as they savoured the moment. Addressing the gathering from atop the shoulders of his team members, Saraswat said, “Today we have made history. India is now a major missile power. We have done India proud.”

India’s missile scientists had, indeed, made history. Not only had they got the whole nation riveted to TV sets early in the morning but had also fired a shot that was heard across the world. April 19, 2012, will long be remembered in the annals of India’s strategic weapons quest as the day on which India finally came of age in terms of missilery.

With the success of Agni V, Chander told his wildly cheering team, “India had joined the select club of nations with Inter-Continental Ballistic Missile (ICBM) capabilities. Now we have the capability of developing and deploying missiles, anywhere, to any place in the world and at any time.”
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“Most important the future will have intelligent warheads which are able to detect counter measures against them by the enemy and take evasive measures.”

Sensors aboard the RV??


There was a talk a while ago about the possibility of having conformal antennas on the 2nd and 3rd stages along with whole system packages included in the RV itself. This lets the missile take care of mid-course and final stage ABM defences.


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Dharma R wrote:

There was a talk a while ago about the possibility of having conformal antennas on the 2nd and 3rd stages along with whole system packages included in the RV itself. This lets the missile take care of mid-course and final stage ABM defences.


Dharma, during the atm reentry, the hot plasma that surrounds the warhead would hinder radar. A large ground target might still be visible, but a small airborne target like an ABM would likely not be detectable. So, real-time evasion might not be an option. Also, in the case of Topol-M type MARVs, the manouevring is not violent as a SSM in the final phase, it is far more gentle. Of course, at Mach 25, even gentle movements can misguide the enemy by tens of km..."is it going towards North Beijing or South?"

I think a MARV (plus penetration aids) really comes into its own against long-range exo-atmosphreric ABMs, not so much against point-defence endo-atmospheric stuff. And given a large enough warhead on the MARV, a point-defence ABM might be too late.


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of course there exists a remote chance to hit the RV.. and the purpose would perhaps only reduce infrastructure destruction alone.. even a mid air interception within the atmosphere happens, the radiation effects remains for living creatures.

this is the whole point of ABMs.. and the MAD., and you see we don't want to be MAD till we have our ABMs ready to kill before reentry. mid-course kill is the best option for mother EARTH. For that, we need our extensive setup for launch detections and such satellite based radar setup.

the investment for launch detection needs to be large and quick reaction support. We need to detect within a minute of launch. onleee the khaaans have it now. let our drdo announce that we have established a world wide (err Europe-Africa-Asia-Aus] wide launche detection system, and claim a test detection happened and log them - send it to DDM.. See what happens to all the MAD guys.. the real bhairav will do a natraj in the space, while all will chaddi shiver.

That is when, chippanda will feel outdated - run away from aksai chin, tibet and pakis will wag their pigtails that they were never ever enemies to us.. just walk over and cleanse the himalayas later.


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ONGC can claim to have made some important contribution in the test flight of Agni V missile last week. The longest range missile to have ever been fired by India, Agni V was required to be tracked by five ships during its flight. Given that the missile had to make a 20-minute journey, the Navy, which is already stretched for resources, decided against diverting its facilities for so long. The government then roped in the ONGC which has several ships routinely operating in the Indian Ocean region. Four ships of the company were retrofitted with missile tracking equipment while the Navy provided the fifth ship.


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this is going to make the chinese batnuts, having a "extention" of the IN prowling around in the seas of vietnam, close to their Sanya base ... heh heh heh.


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Maybe every Indian ship is already equipped


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That is a tremendous idea arharya ji.. have all our ships with missile tracking system, and integrate it with naval cnc.


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ONGC can claim to have made some important contribution in the test flight of Agni V missile last week. The longest range missile to have ever been fired by India, Agni V was required to be tracked by five ships during its flight. Given that the missile had to make a 20-minute journey, the Navy, which is already stretched for resources, decided against diverting its facilities for so long. The government then roped in the ONGC which has several ships routinely operating in the Indian Ocean region. Four ships of the company were retrofitted with missile tracking equipment while the Navy provided the fifth ship.


Now why in God's name would we wanna openly admit that?

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nah lets stop with these renaming.

Let it be Wheeler

one of the complexes or something coming up can be named after Kalam


I would rather it be renamed Kalam Island than Wheeler Island. Kalamji put it on the map and made it famous.

Gopalpur On Sea was a nearby port.

ONGC also contributed for tracking the bird. No harm in saying that. Anyways any Indian ship is fair game to Pakis masquerading as Somali pirates!


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WSJ:India Blows Past China's Smokescreen

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India Blows Past China's Smokescreen
In its missile test, Delhi shows it knows not to trust Beijing—or rely on Washington.

By STEPHEN YATES
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Smart people and smart nations judge governments more on what they do than on what they say. India's successful test of an Agni-V long-range, nuclear-capable missile shows the shrewdness of the world's largest democracy. Delhi has looked past smokescreens from Beijing and Washington to judge hard realities.

In response to India's improved ability to deter China's own nuclear arsenal, a Foreign Ministry spokesman in Beijing said "India and China are not rivals but cooperative partners. We believe the two countries should cherish the hard-won momentum of sound bilateral relations."

But Delhi increasingly knows from Beijing's conduct that this is not so. China cooperates in Kashmir with Pakistan, which uses terrorists as instruments of statecraft against India. Many Indians are knowledgeable about the nature of China's government, having heard about it from some 150,000 Tibetans who have fled oppression to arrive in India, and who no longer have a country of their own.


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of course there exists a remote chance to hit the RV.. and the purpose would perhaps only reduce infrastructure destruction alone.. even a mid air interception within the atmosphere happens, the radiation effects remains for living creatures.

this is the whole point of ABMs.. and the MAD., and you see we don't want to be MAD till we have our ABMs ready to kill before reentry. mid-course kill is the best option for mother EARTH. For that, we need our extensive setup for launch detections and such satellite based radar setup.

the investment for launch detection needs to be large and quick reaction support. We need to detect within a minute of launch. onleee the khaaans have it now.


Yes, any ABM system effective against IRBM and above, is bound to be horrendously expensive...we could have a fully deployed road-mobile A5 force for 1/10 the cost of a partly-effective ABM system.

As long as we have the tracking system to know who fired a BM at us, and the ability to respond in kind, that should deter at least the Panda. Crazed Pakis are unpredictable, so maybe we HAVE to have some ABM capability against SRBM/MRBM-type threats from the West, regardless of cost.


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this is going to make the chinese batnuts, having a "extention" of the IN prowling around in the seas of vietnam, close to their Sanya base ... heh heh heh.


A page from their fishing trawlers, that have the support of Myanmar, SL, BD, ...?


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soviets also operated a lot of spy trawlers worldwide, fitted up to observe and snoop on american naval task forces.


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soviets also operated a lot of spy trawlers worldwide, fitted up to observe and snoop on american naval task forces.

What would be the cost of additional equipment if we fit say 200 medium to big Non-IN ships/trawlers.
We need to plan the data network, operational cost etc..


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