Miscellaneous Pictures - Indian Armed Forces

Surya · Post by **Surya** » 17 Jan 2013 06:55

here is one reference

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2000/oct/18/lukeharding

here is another

http://www.firstpost.com/business/repub ... 21982.html

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 17 Jan 2013 07:08

I think I was in the UK when Rajiv Gandhi rescued PM Margaret Thatcher's government by ordering this Westland junk.

But seeing the shells lined up in Juhu surprises me. At least they can be distributed over children's parks all over the country so kids can see what the inside of a helo looks like.

member_20067 · Post by **member_20067** » 17 Jan 2013 07:44

shiv wrote:I think I was in the UK when Rajiv Gandhi rescued PM Margaret Thatcher's government by ordering this Westland junk.

But seeing the shells lined up in Juhu surprises me. At least they can be distributed over children's parks all over the country so kids can see what the inside of a helo looks like.

That will be equivalent of invoking public memory of an unpleasant history. If they can hold off bofors for no legitimate reason.... they care less about junk choppers

Khalsa · Post by **Khalsa** » 17 Jan 2013 12:20

Thanks Surya.

Hiten · Post by **Hiten** » 19 Jan 2013 09:24

Hi-res. BSF Patrol, assuming, along IB
http://s003.radikal.ru/i201/1301/73/e10acba6b823.jpg
http://i062.radikal.ru/1301/8d/75bae70be1a9.jpg
http://s41.radikal.ru/i092/1301/aa/7d9baf1add1a.jpg
http://s019.radikal.ru/i624/1301/94/e480bd6d1be7.jpg
http://s45.radikal.ru/i110/1301/41/03c2683295b1.jpg
http://i031.radikal.ru/1301/cb/8258fdb8979e.jpg
http://s018.radikal.ru/i527/1301/a8/ad78ba1a5fd8.jpg

Surya · Post by **Surya** » 19 Jan 2013 09:32

shiv

sensible idea - as kids we used to be fascinated by the silly concreate plane at santa cruz -

the junk helos could have been put to better use than rotting like that

SagarAg · Post by **SagarAg** » 19 Jan 2013 09:59

^^Thanks for the HR pics. Which is the sniper rifle in the second pic. Is it SSG 69? I think its about time to get an upgrade on the Sniper rifle for active use.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 19 Jan 2013 13:57

Surya wrote:here is one reference

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2000/oct/18/lukeharding

here is another

http://www.firstpost.com/business/repub ... 21982.html

From the above links, could anyone point out to UK snobs how thier Aid was used.

India bought 21 Westland 30s in 1985 after Margaret Thatcher persuaded Rajiv Gandhi, then prime minister, to ignore the advice of his aviation experts, who were against the sale. The money came out of Britain's aid budget and was given to India on condition it bought the helicopters.

The 14-seater Westland 30s proved to be highly unreliable and a commercial disaster. Soon after their arrival in India in 1987 two crashed - one in the north Indian state of Jammu, and another in Nagaland killing 10 people. They proved to be unsuited to the tropical climate, needed constant servicing and repairs, and were flown only sporadically.

In 1991 the helicopters were withdrawn from service on safety grounds. Two years later, after obtaining permission from the British government under the original 1985 "sale" agreement, Pawan Hans invited global tenders for the Westland 30s. But no one wanted to pay the £1.9m reserve price. Eventually AES Aerospace emerged as sole bidder. So far it has paid £450,000, half the sale price.

Since the helicopters' purchase price was paid for using British aid, the Indian government is obliged to return the £900,000 to the UK's department for international development.

Hiten · Post by **Hiten** » 20 Jan 2013 12:39

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First C-17 Transport Aircraft Of The Indian Air Force [IAF] Takes To The Air
http://www.aame.in/2013/01/first-c-17-t ... ndian.html
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misc IAF pics
http://www.aame.in/2013/01/3-iaf-mirage ... lying.html

VishalJ · Post by **VishalJ** » 21 Jan 2013 19:44

Breaking News: NAKB Smiled! (or ~something like that)

Indian Air Force chief NAK Browne meets Israeli Chief of General Staff Lt Gen Benjamin Gantz in Tel Aviv today.

SagarAg · Post by **SagarAg** » 23 Jan 2013 00:47

WoW Indian Sniper(

) in camo.

Agni-V mock up for Republic Parade.

A Sharma · Post by **A Sharma** » 23 Jan 2013 07:54

NSG Commandos

Indrajit · Post by **Indrajit** » 23 Jan 2013 11:52

Good to see the new gear,Helmet,ballistic glasses,elbow& knee pads,new boots,upgraded MP-5 with sights.

Surya · Post by **Surya** » 23 Jan 2013 22:01

sagar

source please?

SagarAg · Post by **SagarAg** » 23 Jan 2013 22:23

Surya wrote:sagar

source please?

Source: Facebook
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid ... =1&theater
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid ... =1&theater

rkhanna · Post by **rkhanna** » 23 Jan 2013 23:07

about the sniper in camo > I have my doubts that is an Indian army picture.

The Gun looks like a shotgun more than a sniper rifle. The camo (with the baseball style cap) looks like something an american hunter/weekend warrior would wear.

But i could be wrong...

member_20317 · Post by **member_20317** » 23 Jan 2013 23:20

^^^
Carries no sight, no bipod could be this one Remington 700P. In which case it is not a military issue

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:En_Remmy_700pss.JPG

or

This one (less likely) M-40 (perhaps even M 24) in which case it is USMC issue
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:M-40A3.jpg

Ankit Desai · Post by **Ankit Desai** » 23 Jan 2013 23:22

rkhanna wrote:about the sniper in camo > I have my doubts that is an Indian army picture.

The Gun looks like a shotgun more than a sniper rifle. The camo (with the baseball style cap) looks like something an american hunter/weekend warrior would wear.

But i could be wrong...

+1. Agree, looks more like hunter suit used in US. If I am not wrong than the surrounding trees and leaves are more belong to western countries (colder places) than India (I am unaware of their existence in J&K).

-Ankit

member_20067 · Post by **member_20067** » 23 Jan 2013 23:27

I could not see the pictures.. may be it is these ones..?

vdutta · Post by **vdutta** » 24 Jan 2013 00:02

NSG@Delhi

vaibhav.n · Post by **vaibhav.n** » 24 Jan 2013 08:31

Prithwiraj wrote:I always asked this question to myself... I think end of the day it is just a fad...some kind of mythical power projection for ordinary junta....what can be the operation reason? how will they even communicate over the radio during an operation with such a costume of their face?

Prithwiraj,

The Balaclava serves many uses, a part of the reasons is to protect your identity both externally and internally especially among SF guys on deputation at NSG. There are other uses to and i will list them:

1. It protects your face and neck during a firefight from rounds going off. Anti-Terror units will operate in confined spaces in close proximity to each other, rounds often bounce around and distract you from your own and team's weapons.

2. The masks are also fire-retardant thus offer some degree of protection to the face and hair. When a team make a dynamic entry into an structure, the amount of concrete debris flying around is nothing to be scoffed at.

3. SF teams typically wear bone and throat mic strapped on, thus these can be easily worn over a balaclava.

Ankit Desai · Post by **Ankit Desai** » 24 Jan 2013 09:43

sarabpal.s wrote:
sum wrote:^^ and why is it a surprise??
there no restrictions,technical they can't restrict, but un officially there is .

any body can find any reference picture Sikh in nsg or spg other than this than u understood why I am surprised

member_20067 · Post by **member_20067** » 24 Jan 2013 09:45

vaibhav.n wrote:
Prithwiraj wrote:I always asked this question to myself... I think end of the day it is just a fad...some kind of mythical power projection for ordinary junta....what can be the operation reason? how will they even communicate over the radio during an operation with such a costume of their face?

Prithwiraj,

The Balaclava serves many uses, a part of the reasons is to protect your identity both externally and internally especially among SF guys on deputation at NSG. There are other uses to and i will list them:

1. It protects your face and neck during a firefight from rounds going off. Anti-Terror units will operate in confined spaces in close proximity to each other, rounds often bounce around and distract you from your own and team's weapons.

2. The masks are also fire-retardant thus offer some degree of protection to the face and hair. When a team make a dynamic entry into an structure, the amount of concrete debris flying around is nothing to be scoffed at.

3. SF teams typically wear bone and throat mic strapped on, thus these can be easily worn over a balaclava.

Thank you so much .. this is the kind of answers which makes BRF so great..I somehow don't like people passing off smart aleck comments about other's observation and opinions instead of giving a proper educated answer. .. typically I have seen Mexican anti-drug units wearing mask for fear of reprisal from drug cartels....same goes to forces engaged in internal conflicts..

have not seen much for special forces engaged in anti-terrorism activities including US special forces deployed in Afghanistan..

Don't you think SPG folks need to protect their identity more than anyone else as they can be easily compromised by someone who wants to infiltrate the force and cause bodily damage to country's leadership? Then why do we see their faces?

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 24 Jan 2013 09:54

Ankit Desai wrote:
rkhanna wrote:about the sniper in camo > I have my doubts that is an Indian army picture.

The Gun looks like a shotgun more than a sniper rifle. The camo (with the baseball style cap) looks like something an american hunter/weekend warrior would wear.

But i could be wrong...
+1. Agree, looks more like hunter suit used in US. If I am not wrong than the surrounding trees and leaves are more belong to western countries (colder places) than India (I am unaware of their existence in J&K).

-Ankit

Also it is a lousy pose for a sniper - chances of a miss are much higher in that pose unless at close range. At close range one shot and everyone will know there is a sniper about.

member_20067 · Post by **member_20067** » 24 Jan 2013 10:12

[quote="SagarAg"]WoW Indian Sniper(

) in camo.

This is a cameo by realtree camouflage pattern (http://www.realtree.com).....
there is a lot of mis-information in the facebook fan page of Indian Army...

Following are some more pics of camo by realtree...

rohitvats · Post by **rohitvats** » 24 Jan 2013 11:00

SagarAg wrote:Why are their faces hidden in monkey cap?

The word is Balaclava...

tsarkar · Post by **tsarkar** » 24 Jan 2013 15:39

Prithwiraj wrote:I always asked this question to myself... I think end of the day it is just a fad...some kind of mythical power projection for ordinary junta....what can be the operation reason?

Military personnel wear balaclavas as flash masks. Flash masks are a very common piece of military equipment. It is a standard headgear for gunners & crew during action stations http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-flash_gear

The purpose of anti-flash gear is to provide protection to the head, neck, face and hands from short-duration flame exposure and heat

In Close Quarter Combat, automatic weapons with high rpm generate quite a lot of heat & flashes. They eject very hot cartridges at rapid rate that may hit one’s buddy at close quarters & injure him. Flash burns are very painful - maybe Shiv can explain flash burns better.

Check these pictures
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:US_Na ... h_Gear.jpg
http://www.cjoc.forces.gc.ca/potd/orig/ ... 016-09.JPG

Prithwiraj wrote: I somehow don't like people passing off smart aleck comments

Don’t you think this comment of yours very aptly applies to yourself & your earlier comment?

Prithwiraj wrote:I think end of the day it is just a fad...some kind of mythical power projection for ordinary junta

Prithwiraj wrote:have not seen much for special forces engaged in anti-terrorism activities including US special forces deployed in Afghanistan

Because they operate mostly in open areas.

Many members have spoken about concealing identities. No Indian service personnel will ever hide his face in his country. Izzat is paramount for a soldier/sailor/airman.

SagarAg · Post by **SagarAg** » 24 Jan 2013 18:58

vaibhav.n wrote:
The Balaclava serves many uses, a part of the reasons is to protect your identity both externally and internally especially among SF guys on deputation at NSG. There are other uses to and i will list them:

1. It protects your face and neck during a firefight from rounds going off. Anti-Terror units will operate in confined spaces in close proximity to each other, rounds often bounce around and distract you from your own and team's weapons.

2. The masks are also fire-retardant thus offer some degree of protection to the face and hair. When a team make a dynamic entry into an structure, the amount of concrete debris flying around is nothing to be scoffed at.

3. SF teams typically wear bone and throat mic strapped on, thus these can be easily worn over a balaclava.

Thanks for the answer I was looking for.

rohitvats wrote:
The word is Balaclava...

Good to know the technical term.

Wiki mentions that it is commonly referred to as monkey caps in India. (though Wiki is not something to rely upon).

Prithwiraj wrote:
This is a cameo by realtree camouflage pattern (http://www.realtree.com).....
there is a lot of mis-information in the facebook fan page of Indian Army...

Haha nice find Prithwiraj ji..even I was a little skeptical about the pikture.

Prithwiraj wrote:Before raising your usual secular voice and shutting down someone who had a valid question... kindly read an article ... the veracity of which needs to proved however sarabpal does raise a question which can not be so readily dismissed...

Manmohan Singh Can't Have A Sikh Bodyguard

http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?233089

This article is dated 2006. I think we have come a long way since then in terms of structure and capabilities of NSG.

Raja Bose wrote:1st about Scooter helmets, now about "Monkey caps" followed by about why NSG commandos need to be masked? The Scooter Helmet debate has surely progressed!

IN still uses the scooter helmet.

member_20067 · Post by **member_20067** » 24 Jan 2013 19:39

SagarAg · Post by **SagarAg** » 24 Jan 2013 20:05

Tejas LSP-8 (Tarmak007)

IA Mountain Division

Agni-V

varunalh · Post by **varunalh** » 24 Jan 2013 21:22

^^^^^

Looks like there has been some major modification again.....The air scoop at the tail root which was present in other lsps is not seen in this one.

member_20317 · Post by **member_20317** » 24 Jan 2013 21:31

The wing is a beauty

member_20067 · Post by **member_20067** » 24 Jan 2013 21:45

varunalh wrote:^^^^^

Looks like there has been some major modification again.....The air scoop at the tail root which was present in other lsps is not seen in this one.

you are right...here is one of the previous one

manum · Post by **manum** » 24 Jan 2013 23:14

Scoop seems to be there...air inlet size reduced drastically...

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 25 Jan 2013 00:19

The scoop for the APU was moved. Some time back. Do not recall why, but they had provided a reason.

Indranil · Post by **Indranil** » 25 Jan 2013 01:17

^^^ Wave drag

vivek_ahuja · Post by **vivek_ahuja** » 25 Jan 2013 10:54

Edwards AFB:

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 25 Jan 2013 13:13

re balaclavas and monkeys - the name comes from the battle of balaclava during the anglo-french campaign against russia in the crimea in the mid 19th century. it was extremely cold, so troops started wearing such caps. the name has stuck through its usage in british military.

today in britain on a very cold day you might hear someone say "its brass monkeys out there!" - meaning its really cold. that is a short form of "its cold enough to freeze the balls off a brass monkey" - which sounds very chilling - however the origin is - during the crimean war - cannon balls were stacked on a device made of brass called a monkey. when it got really cold, the moisture around the cannon balls would freeze and the balls topple off from the stack

I don't think that monkey cap derives from that root, but more probably from giving the wearer the appearance of a monkey

Baikul · Post by **Baikul** » 25 Jan 2013 20:26

^^ <OT> There are several stories on the origin of the phrase.

One is that the conical device used to store cannon balls and known as a brass monkey, was deployed on RN ships, and the phrase derives from before the Crimean war. But as you stated the phrase itself came about because of cannon balls freezing off the brass monkeys in extreme cold.

http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/cold ... onkey.html
</OT>

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 26 Jan 2013 07:36

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