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PostPosted: 25 Mar 2012 07:10 
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I don't know what your point is. The Chetak & Cheetah are still flown by the IAF and usually for casevac and OP in lousy terrain.


My point is the Indian armed forces should probably be using helicopters designed/built after the 1962 war with China.


Well if it serves the purpose, why not keep using them? Age of the technology has nothing to do with its utility. Even TFTA Khans with a defence budget larger than the rest of the world's put together use Vietnam era and Korean War era aircraft.


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PostPosted: 25 Mar 2012 07:24 
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PostPosted: 25 Mar 2012 09:51 
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tejas wrote:
My point is the Indian armed forces should probably be using helicopters designed/built after the 1962 war with China.
Then you should have said that instead of taking potshots at other services. The Cheetah/Chetak are indeed in a bad shape. The GPS on most phone are more accurate and sensitive than the hand held stuff they lug around. Hell look at a standard Mi-8 and see what equipment they have. Other services and arms like the Infantry also struggle with obsolence. None of this has anything to do with who's "forward looking", whatever the hell that means.


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PostPosted: 27 Mar 2012 07:07 
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Ex-INS Vikrant Chief of Watch Station

The chap is responsible for engine room. Anything goes wrong, they catch him. Very interesting pic (IMO).


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PostPosted: 27 Mar 2012 07:23 
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Anjan, thanks for the unsolicited lecture. What I meant by forward looking wrt the Navy is their attempt to maximize indigenous equipment and their synergizing with DRDO early on in many of these projects unlike the IA which gets many times the Navy's budget and uses it to buy stellar imports like the T-90. BTW your condescending and disrespectful tone is quite atypical for this forum, which I have visited since its inception. BRF is filled with many highly intelligent people. You do not seem to be one of them.


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PostPosted: 27 Mar 2012 08:06 
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tejas wrote:
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I don't know what your point is. The Chetak & Cheetah are still flown by the IAF and usually for casevac and OP in lousy terrain.


My point is the Indian armed forces should probably be using helicopters designed/built after the 1962 war with China.

My OT reply here
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4290&p=1260587#p1260587


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PostPosted: 27 Mar 2012 12:45 
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tejas wrote:
Anjan, thanks for the unsolicited lecture. What I meant by forward looking wrt the Navy is their attempt to maximize indigenous equipment and their synergizing with DRDO early on in many of these projects unlike the IA which gets many times the Navy's budget and uses it to buy stellar imports like the T-90. BTW your condescending and disrespectful tone is quite atypical for this forum, which I have visited since its inception. BRF is filled with many highly intelligent people. You do not seem to be one of them.
Ha! You don't seem to have problems with disrespect when you're the one dishing it out. Factually you're wrong with your potshots at other services. I pointed it out. Apparently that causes takleef. :roll: The other services try and indigenize as much as anyone else and get stuck with as much or more crappy equipment. The Indian Army you might have noticed is the largest and most enthusiastic customer of the HAL Dhruv and is ordering the Akash in numbers. Those potshots are deserving of contempt because you're apparently willing to sit on judgement on who gets new equipment on basis of petty, not to mention petulant, politics.


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PostPosted: 27 Mar 2012 13:53 
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Anjan,

We have gone this path many times. It is a perception difference that Navy is forward looking and not Army, of which, I too believe.

As perception goes, Army is scaling up after VKS. Notwithstanding all that opinion on the new chief (in AFSPA, Siachin etc), IMO, he will be good for indigenisation in case he is more pally with Govt.


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PostPosted: 27 Mar 2012 14:02 
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tejas wrote:
... What I meant by forward looking wrt the Navy is their attempt to maximize indigenous equipment and their synergizing with DRDO early on in many of these projects unlike the IA which gets many times the Navy's budget and uses it to buy stellar imports like the T-90....


The Army's capital budget is not many times that of Navy. See this link on budget proposal for next FY...

http://www.sarkaritel.com/defence-budge ... odernising

http://www.business-standard.com/india/ ... ad/468125/


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PostPosted: 27 Mar 2012 14:03 
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nelson wrote:
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... What I meant by forward looking wrt the Navy is their attempt to maximize indigenous equipment and their synergizing with DRDO early on in many of these projects unlike the IA which gets many times the Navy's budget and uses it to buy stellar imports like the T-90....


The Army's capital budget is not many times that of Navy. See this link on budget proposal for next FY...

http://www.sarkaritel.com/defence-budge ... odernising


Can you get the data for previous 40 budgets and see?


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PostPosted: 27 Mar 2012 14:14 
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Folks, gentle OT alert.


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PostPosted: 27 Mar 2012 14:14 
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^^I do not want to waste time. You can see for your self. With 1.3 million strong force the army's capital budget allocation and spend is always going to be less than its revenue spend. The ratio(capital:revenue) is always going to be better for Air force(str 1,30,000) and Navy(str 60,000). No surprises there, because the bulk of revenue expenditure is due to pay and allowances.

Sorry for OT.

I am not contending the point that Army needs to move for greater indigenisation, but only that certain statements made in support of that argument are incorrect.


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PostPosted: 27 Mar 2012 19:54 
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Anjan, one look at the T-90 vs Arjun sordid affair is enough to to tell you how much the IA supports local products. The Arjun is ut thru 50,000 km trials and the Tin can accepted without testing. How nmany hoops did Akash need to jump thru before being accepted? My last post on this.


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PostPosted: 27 Mar 2012 20:31 
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IA seems to not support the local manufacturing efforts, but may be they are doing. If someone can compile areas where they have supported local manufacturing that will be a great insight.


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PostPosted: 27 Mar 2012 20:48 
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no more OT here guys. find the right thread.
Rahul.


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PostPosted: 28 Mar 2012 16:29 
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Gen VK Singh visits Chinar Corps


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PostPosted: 29 Mar 2012 01:48 
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self deleted.(moved to multi-media section)


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PostPosted: 29 Mar 2012 01:51 
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keshav, this is the pictures thread, not video thread. use the multimedia thread for that. I will delete the above post tomorrow.


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PostPosted: 29 Mar 2012 15:08 
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IA Tanks in Action

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PostPosted: 30 Mar 2012 07:30 
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some old pictures. don't recollect them being posted here. apologies if done already

Indian Navy Warships in South Africa [Photographs]
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Chetak Helicopters of the Indian Navy in South Africa during IBSAMAR Naval Exercises [Photographs]
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INS Darshak, Indian Navy Vessel at the South African Navy Festival [Photographs]
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linking the INS Darshak photographs to the original album, as there are no other pics in there. If you're unable to download the full-res images [1600px] from there, it can be done so at the blog


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PostPosted: 30 Mar 2012 07:59 
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47th Battalion the Rashtriya Rifles opens a renovated School in Kupwara


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PostPosted: 01 Apr 2012 20:15 
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GNOME H-1400 Seaking Helicopter Engine


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PostPosted: 02 Apr 2012 19:09 
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Spotted BMP urban survival kit

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PostPosted: 03 Apr 2012 08:10 
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Flagging in the Mumbai-Goa-Mumbai Sailing Expedition-2012

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Lt Gen SA Hasnain, GOC Chinar Corps at War Memorial at Tithwal


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PostPosted: 04 Apr 2012 07:12 
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Yesterday, 98th birth anniversary of Field Marshal Sam Hormusji Framji Jamshedji Manekshaw, Military Cross was observed at ooty. Most pics sent are terrible.

Here is one from his meeting troops in 1971

Field Marshal SHFJ Manekshaw, Military Cross with troops after 1971 War

And a historic day will be today when a nook sub gets inducted. I am sure you must have seen this pic before
Charlie I:
INS Chakra Nuclear Submarine


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PostPosted: 04 Apr 2012 11:22 
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Chacko Brother,

USS Carl Vinson will be active in Bay of Bengal in coming days. As you always seem to have the first-hand pictures, can you post some nice snaps of this giant here in this forum?


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PostPosted: 04 Apr 2012 17:17 
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Chacko Brother,

USS Carl Vinson will be active in Bay of Bengal in coming days. As you always seem to have the first-hand pictures, can you post some nice snaps of this giant here in this forum?


I'll try. Before that wait for the Chakra pics 8)


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PostPosted: 05 Apr 2012 14:21 
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Embraer EMB 145I aircraft for DRDO AEW&C

Another large photo of Embraer EMB 145I A closeup.


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PostPosted: 05 Apr 2012 17:18 
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Vikrant-class Aircraft Carrier under construction in India [Photographs]

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PostPosted: 05 Apr 2012 19:02 
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Vikrant-class Aircraft Carrier under construction in India [Photographs]

http://www.aame.in/2012/04/vikrant-clas ... under.html


Top deck and three other shown. There could be approx 11 - 12 decks on this carrier.


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PostPosted: 05 Apr 2012 19:23 
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chackojoseph wrote:
Top deck and three other shown. There could be approx 11 - 12 decks on this carrier.


What is the significance of number of decks?


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Top deck and three other shown. There could be approx 11 - 12 decks on this carrier.


What is the significance of number of decks?


None. I had asked the IMS Vikrant chap how many decks were there. He gave a figure of 11 or 12, i don't remember exactly. Going by that number, I counted on this ship too. Just an observation.


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PostPosted: 06 Apr 2012 15:34 
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Arjun Tank Mk 1 gunners Sight


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PostPosted: 06 Apr 2012 15:53 
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if the gunner is looking into the sight (specially using the right eye) whouldnt it be hard for him to operate any switch that are placed to the left side as the face will cover the switches.


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PostPosted: 06 Apr 2012 19:53 
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Looking at switch will be looking at gears while changing while driving a cars. :P


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PostPosted: 06 Apr 2012 20:48 
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Looking at switch will be looking at gears while changing while driving a cars. :P

well that is correct but my question is if the switches are covered with face then gunner will definitely have problem operating them. maybe they train him to operate them with face only :lol:


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PostPosted: 06 Apr 2012 21:12 
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it is unlikely that any of those switches will be needed for 'heat of the moment' operation


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PostPosted: 08 Apr 2012 18:39 
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some more pictures of the INS Chakra
http://defenceexpress.blogspot.in/2012/ ... hakra.html

this photo captures the beauty like no other
http://defenceexpress.blogspot.in/2012/ ... nd-me.html


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PostPosted: 08 Apr 2012 18:58 
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adityadange wrote:
chackojoseph wrote:


if the gunner is looking into the sight (specially using the right eye) whouldnt it be hard for him to operate any switch that are placed to the left side as the face will cover the switches.


Which is the sight? That one- eye thing? Or the black thing that looks like it folds down and needs to be folded up so the gunner can put both eyes to the black rubber cup? That one eyed thing looks like a knob to me - not a sight.

Chacko that's a lousy pic. Don't mean to hurt but it is.


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PostPosted: 08 Apr 2012 19:20 
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Chacko that's a lousy pic. Don't mean to hurt but it is.


It is. I know. Tried my level best.


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