Pakistan arms sales, ops, doctrine, etc

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 11 Apr 2015 09:52

These can do stuff the regular pa might blanch at

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 16 Apr 2015 10:04

Pakistan Test-Fires Nuclear-Capable Missile

http://www.defensenews.com/story/defens ... /25848945/

ISLAMABAD — Pakistan on Wednesday test-fired a ballistic missile capable of carrying a nuclear warhead, the military said.

The Ghauri Ballistic Missile has a range of 1,300 kilometers (807 miles) and can carry both conventional and nuclear warheads.

It came a month after the test-firing of the surface-to-surface nuclear-capable Shaheen III missile with a range of 2,750 kilometers.

"The training launch of the Ghauri missile system was aimed at testing operational and technical readiness," the military said in a statement.

adityadange · Post by **adityadange** » 16 Apr 2015 14:14

the report does not mention if the test was success or failure

also, i did not understand why there is mention of zaki-ur-rehman-lakhvi in the report. it gave me impression that following sequence happened:
lakhvi free
india protested in public, india threaten pak behind the scenre
pak test fired missile to send us signal

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 16 Apr 2015 14:20

the very fact missile took off in direction of india is a success.

sum · Post by **sum** » 16 Apr 2015 14:29

adityadange wrote:the report does not mention if the test was success or failure
also, i did not understand why there is mention of zaki-ur-rehman-lakhvi in the report. it gave me impression that following sequence happened:
lakhvi free
india protested in public, india threaten pak behind the scenre
pak test fired missile to send us signal

Didnt India also test fire a AIII today?

Which was in response to which? Maybe TSP intel figured out the A-III test coming in a few days back and tried to one up by firing their ding-dong first!

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 16 Apr 2015 14:30

Missile test is a show of strength put up for the mango abduls .... just before it assumes a GUBO position before the soothis.

Today the hottest topic in Bakiland is not India or YYY but the biradar mulk of Soothi and Iran.

member_27581 · Post by **member_27581** » 16 Apr 2015 15:43

Dont the two countries give information about ballistic missile tests in advance...

sum wrote:
adityadange wrote:the report does not mention if the test was success or failure
also, i did not understand why there is mention of zaki-ur-rehman-lakhvi in the report. it gave me impression that following sequence happened:
lakhvi free
india protested in public, india threaten pak behind the scenre
pak test fired missile to send us signal
Didnt India also test fire a AIII today?

Which was in response to which? Maybe TSP intel figured out the A-III test coming in a few days back and tried to one up by firing their ding-dong first!

member_28911 · Post by **member_28911** » 16 Apr 2015 16:47

Last time Ghauri missile was fired by TSP Army it disintegrated mid-air.

Dunno what happened this time

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 16 Apr 2015 17:24

Ghauri is a useless missile, and stocks of Shaheen 2 and Shaheen 1 Df-21 and DF 15 are limited, also they want to match SDRE types of missiles. So fire some for H&D and hope it lands somewhere in Baluchistan desert.

nits · Post by **nits** » 16 Apr 2015 17:39

In a way its good and i wish they keep firing 1 every 15 days; this reduce there limited stock

Infact We should officially welcome this firing and term it as move towards south asia stability

Sid · Post by **Sid** » 16 Apr 2015 19:50

They are the only one in world to have perfect test launch record.

Also, all of them are already in service by the time they are test launched for the first time.

I am curious to what their secret is?? Wonders of indichinous research.

arshyam · Post by **arshyam** » 17 Apr 2015 10:26

Sid wrote: Wonders of indichinous research.

sudhan · Post by **sudhan** » 17 Apr 2015 11:40

Even their "earth shattering" drone.. Burkha or something and mijjile carried by it was named similarly.. was already available in large numbers and was clearly Chinese.. but still the pawkis went about strutting and claiming it was indigenous..

schinnas · Post by **schinnas** » 17 Apr 2015 12:18

sudhan wrote:Even their "earth shattering" drone.. Burkha or something and mijjile carried by it was named similarly.. was already available in large numbers and was clearly Chinese.. but still the pawkis went about strutting and claiming it was indigenous..

That was to send a message to Bharath and Iran. Especially the drone testing press release where they had lined up dozen or more drones on the tarmac was to communicate a message. May be they are war gaming and fearing some bold moves by Doval-ji. The whole song and dance about indichinous research is to indicate that they have local assembly (screwdriver and paintshop) and have access to these gizmos at scale. Some of it could be just bluff as tallel and deepel friends might have just given drones in limited quantities.

I wish TTP gets access to these drones and bombs the $hit out of Puki army camps.

adityadange · Post by **adityadange** » 17 Apr 2015 17:01

@sum
A3 test was well known from march i guess. there was some article in newspaper mentioning 3 missile tests in april.

Aditya G · Post by **Aditya G** » 17 Apr 2015 19:25

adityadange wrote:@sum
A3 test was well known from march i guess. there was some article in newspaper mentioning 3 missile tests in april.

There is a treaty whereby both India and Pakistan officially inform each other of upcoming Ballistic missile tests.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 17 Apr 2015 20:06

Sid wrote:Wonders of indichinous research.

BRF dictionary-worthy invention!

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 17 Apr 2015 20:07

indi-chino-us Wah!

Viv S · Post by **Viv S** » 17 Apr 2015 22:45

Pak, Russia to hold first-ever joint military exercises

By: Press Trust of India | Islamabad

Pakistan and Russia have agreed to hold first-ever joint military exercises as part of their enhanced defence cooperation, in a sign of increasing bonhomie between the Cold War-era adversaries.
The agreement was reached during a meeting in Moscow between Pakistan Defence Minister Khawaja Asif and his Russian counterpart Sergei Shoigu, Express Tribune reported.

“We agreed to enhance cooperation in both defence industry and military training,” Asif was quoted as saying by state-run Russian news agency Sputnik International.

Asif is on an official visit to Moscow to attend a regional security conference. He held talks with the Russian defence minister, during which the two ministers agreed to increase military cooperation in training and import of arms and equipment.

“Joint participation in military exercises will be promoted,” the Pakistan defence ministry said in a statement. The ministers also agreed that conflicts should be resolved through diplomatic means and that use of force must be discouraged and abandoned.

They also reached a consensus that a multi-polar world would ensure peace and balance in international relations. Pakistan and Russia last year signed a military cooperation agreement to deepen their defence ties and vowed to translate their relationship in “tangible” terms during the first-ever visit of a Russian defence minister in 45 years.

Russian Defence Minister Shoigu’s visit last November to Pakistan came at a very critical juncture as US-led NATO forces drawdown from Afghanistan. Russia lifted embargoes on providing defence supplies to Pakistan and currently the two sides are working on different options to increase the ties in the defence field.

Indian Express

member_28911 · Post by **member_28911** » 20 Apr 2015 20:58

Pakistan is considering purchase of the South Korean KAI T-50 Lead In Fighter Trainer (LIFT) to revamp its Air Force training program

Melwyn · Post by **Melwyn** » 21 Apr 2015 20:24

Finally, we have a 100% pure momeen miizzile made-in-pakistan by the purest Tehreek-i-Taliban Pakistan.
This is not an imported kuffar missile like Ghauri and Babur.

Pakistani Taliban claim to have successfully test-fired missile called ‘Omar-1’

arun · Post by **arun** » 21 Apr 2015 21:26

X Posted from the STFUP thread.

Pakistan Navy attempts to help Pakistani boat carrying 232 Kilograms of narcotics apprehended by a joint Indian Navy and Coast Guard team to escape arrest.

Attempt to engineer an escape of the Pakistani boat by the Pakistan Navy foiled due to “heavy presence of Indian Navy and Coast Guard warships”.

Given the attempt of the Pakistan navy to engineer an escape of the Pakistani drug smugglers, our Government must do a thorough check to rule out that this was not a Pakistan State sponsored narcotic smuggling ring with intent to foment Mohammadden Terrorism in our country:

Pakistan boat seizure: Crew contacted Pakistan Navy for help

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 22 Apr 2015 09:58

Pakistan to use US weapons in fight against India, not jihadists: Hussain Haqqani, former diplomat

NEW YORK: The nearly USD one billion worth of attack helicopters, missiles and other defense equipment being sold to Pakistan by the US will end up being used in the fight against India instead of being deployed against jihadists, according to a former Pakistani diplomat.

Pakistan's former Ambassador to the US Hussain Haqqani said the Obama administration's decision to sell US-made attack helicopters, missiles and other equipment to Pakistan will "fuel conflict in South Asia without fulfilling the objective of helping the country fight Islamist extremists."

"Pakistan's failure to tackle its jihadist challenge is not the result of a lack of arms but reflects an absence of will. Unless Pakistan changes its worldview, American weapons will end up being used to fight or menace India and perceived domestic enemies instead of being deployed against jihadists," Haqqani wrote in the Wall Street Journal in the piece titled 'Why Are We Sending This Attack Helicopter to Pakistan'.

He said that given Pakistan's "past behavior", it is "likely" that the 15 AH-1Z Viper helicopters and 1,000 Hellfire missiles as well as communications and training equipment will be used against secular insurgents in southwest Balochistan province and along the disputed border in Kashmir rather than against the jihadists in the northwest.

"Competition with India remains the overriding consideration in Pakistan's foreign and domestic policies. By aiding Pakistan over the years—some USD 40 billion since 1950, the US has fed Pakistan's delusion of being India's regional military equal. Seeking security against a much larger neighbor is a rational objective but seeking parity with it on a constant basis is not," he said.

Haqqani said that instead of selling more military equipment to Pakistan, US officials should convince Islamabad that its ambitions of rivaling India are "akin to Belgium trying to rival France or Germany."

Drawing a comparison between the two South Asian nuclear- armed rivals, Haqqani said India's population is six times as large as Pakistan's while India's economy is 10 times bigger, with India's USD 2 trillion economy managing consistent growth whereas Pakistan's USD 245 billion economy growing sporadically and undermined by jihadist terrorism.

He said Pakistan continues to depend on Islamist ideology — through its school curricula, propaganda and Islamic legislation — to maintain internal nationalist cohesion, which inevitably encourages extremism and religious intolerance.

Haqqani recalled that between 1950 and 1969, the US gave USD 4.5 billion in aid to Pakistan partly in the hope of using Pakistani troops in anti-communist wars, but Pakistan did not contribute a single soldier for the wars in Korea or Vietnam but went to war with India over Kashmir in 1965.

Again during the 1980s, Pakistan "diverted" the US aid toward its "obsessive rivalry" with India, training insurgents to fight in Kashmir as well as in India's Punjab.

Haqqani said even after the December attack on a Peshawar school where the Taliban killed 160 people, including many schoolchildren, the "destruction, demobilisation, disarmament or dismantling" of Afghan Taliban and other radical groups is "clearly not on the Pakistani state's agenda."

"There has been no move against Kashmir-oriented jihadist groups," he added.

member_28840 · Post by **member_28840** » 22 Apr 2015 17:42

^ A rational paki? I never thought i would live to see the day.

SKrishna · Post by **SKrishna** » 22 Apr 2015 18:05

Thats the way to welcome (and beg to) your only benefactor and sweeter than honey and stronger than steel friend

deejay · Post by **deejay** » 22 Apr 2015 18:54

^^^ Good planning to get a good marketing video going. Escorting Eleven('s) Aircraft at one go. Baki - Cheeni - jointsmanship.

member_20067 · Post by **member_20067** » 22 Apr 2015 19:45

They could not get their own quawali or sufi sound track--- even the starting piece is a copy from that french movie ..

member_20067 · Post by **member_20067** » 22 Apr 2015 19:45

They could not get their own quawali or sufi sound track--- even the starting piece is a copy from that french movie ..

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 22 Apr 2015 19:47

But good idea nevertheless

member_20067 · Post by **member_20067** » 22 Apr 2015 20:21

Singha wrote:But good idea nevertheless

Yep good for boosting the inflated egos of some random African and East Europen because no one else is going to buy it

ravip · Post by **ravip** » 23 Apr 2015 00:24

Its f***ing crazy and dangerous to allow other aircrafts near presidential carrier, what if some pilot suddenly goes ape and crashes his fighter into presidential carrier, in that case nothing can save eleven.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 23 Apr 2015 03:01

It is normal, but not a very common, practice to welcome a visiting head of state with a fighter escort. It is also common to welcome a returning head of state in a similar manner. Does not happen all the time, but it should not be a surprise. It is something similar to a honor guard.

I forget which country welcomed MMS in a similar manner. I want to say France, but could not find a URL.

Found this:

The brand new Air India Boeing 777-200LR "Assam" [VT-ALC], sporting new colour scheme of the merged entity, landing at Delhi International Airport, escorted by two Sukhoi-30MKI fighter jets of the Indian Air Force on July 28, 2007 at 11:20 A.M..

Patil gets a Eurofighter escort in 2011:

Eurofighters escort Patil's special aircraft

In a rare honour, two Eurofighter Typhoon combat jets escorted the Air India One aircraft carrying President Pratibha Patil as it entered the Austrian airspace.
Within seconds of entering the Austrian airspace from Switzerland yesterday, two mean looking and gleaming jets appeared suddenly on the left side of the President's plane.

Melwyn · Post by **Melwyn** » 23 Apr 2015 03:18

Bakshu meeting the real momeens.
Nawaz to meet Saudis

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 23 Apr 2015 04:12

Austin wrote:Pakistan to use US weapons in fight against India, not jihadists: Hussain Haqqani, former diplomat
NEW YORK: The nearly USD one billion worth of attack helicopters, missiles and other defense equipment being sold to Pakistan by the US will end up being used in the fight against India instead of being deployed against jihadists, according to a former Pakistani diplomat.

Pakistan's former Ambassador to the US Hussain Haqqani said the Obama administration's decision to sell US-made attack helicopters, missiles and other equipment to Pakistan will "fuel conflict in South Asia without fulfilling the objective of helping the country fight Islamist extremists."

Haqqani recalled that between 1950 and 1969, the US gave USD 4.5 billion in aid to Pakistan partly in the hope of using Pakistani troops in anti-communist wars, but Pakistan did not contribute a single soldier for the wars in Korea or Vietnam but went to war with India over Kashmir in 1965.

Again during the 1980s, Pakistan "diverted" the US aid toward its "obsessive rivalry" with India, training insurgents to fight in Kashmir as well as in India's Punjab.

At least he is turning out to be a lobby for Indian interest. The problem is pro India lobby in DC is also being controlled by a Paki. Indo US conferences in US is also attended by many Paki as if they own the place. This is strange and many Indians in India are not aware of this. Even when Indian Diplomats attend Indian civil function these Pakis turn up.
All the time they lobby for TSP and get more weapons for TSP from DC.

member_20067 · Post by **member_20067** » 23 Apr 2015 06:54

NRao wrote:It is normal, but not a very common, practice to welcome a visiting head of state with a fighter escort. It is also common to welcome a returning head of state in a similar manner. Does not happen all the time, but it should not be a surprise. It is something similar to a honor guard.

I forget which country welcomed MMS in a similar manner. I want to say France, but could not find a URL.

Found this:

The brand new Air India Boeing 777-200LR "Assam" [VT-ALC], sporting new colour scheme of the merged entity, landing at Delhi International Airport, escorted by two Sukhoi-30MKI fighter jets of the Indian Air Force on July 28, 2007 at 11:20 A.M..

Patil gets a Eurofighter escort in 2011:

Eurofighters escort Patil's special aircraft

In a rare honour, two Eurofighter Typhoon combat jets escorted the Air India One aircraft carrying President Pratibha Patil as it entered the Austrian airspace.
Within seconds of entering the Austrian airspace from Switzerland yesterday, two mean looking and gleaming jets appeared suddenly on the left side of the President's plane.

Patil got an escort because Eurofighter was still trying to make a backdoor entry in the MMRCA

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 23 Apr 2015 09:57

I wonder why for MMS...flying them up from rae bareilly and back is a considerable expense.

member_28305 · Post by **member_28305** » 23 Apr 2015 10:11

I really like that bunker (@0:32).. looks neat.. is it a set??

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 23 Apr 2015 10:33

I think it must be from dwaraka end as the vasant kunj/delhi ridge side has no railway line to my knowledge.

there are lot of abandoned ruined structures in the delhi scrublands...some new...some as old as 1000 yrs...abandoned temples and mosques..remains of hunting lodges...forts....delhi is just N layers of architecture....

even banditjis teen murti bhavan has a old tughlaq era hunting lodge around 800 yrs old inside the main gate! until 1947 lootyens era was a vast scrubland and semi-forested .... 800 yrs ago it must have been denser jungle with no settlements ... the settlements were in mehrauli, siri fort, along the yamuna, in purani dilli area, tughlaqabad, kila rai pithora...

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 23 Apr 2015 16:35

Patil got an escort because Eurofighter was still trying to make a backdoor entry in the MMRCA

I assume you at least agree that the practice - of fighters escorting an arriving foreign head of State - does exist.

member_28911 · Post by **member_28911** » 24 Apr 2015 22:43

China to deliver last batch of 50 JF-17 Thunder fighter aircraft to Pakistan by 2019

China will turn over the last batch of 50 FC-1 Xiaolong fighters, also known as JF-17 Thunder, to Pakistan over the next three years, said Li Pei, the former head of the aircraft project under the Aviation Industry Corporation of China, in a report by the Chinese newspaper People's Daily.

Under the contract signed between Beijing and Islamabad, Pakistan will receive a total number of 110 Thunder fighters from China.

Pakistan has already received 60 fighters from China since 2007. Ten of them were devoted to the test and evaluation unit, based in Minhas, the other 50 aircraft were assigned to the 16th and 26th squadrons of the Pakistan Air Force.

So no Block-3 Bandaar and dual-seater Bandaar for Pakis.