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vishvak wrote:It is very dangerous to let powerful countries arm a terrorist country, especially porkies who terrorize Indians as a state policy as also have pointed nooks only at India.

It is more apt to understand which powerful country has let porkies get which arms, which state has sold what arms, where were which arms used against Indians etc. For example, guns from USA, UK used by porkies to shelling Indians, etc.
Saudi have bankrolled Pakistans nuclear program since 80's and their Nuclear weapon is defacto Saudi N weapon , In times of crisis they have given free oil to Pakistan or long term credit.

US provided free weapons and bank rolls their conventional weapon program and provides money to fight terrorist which are sponsored by ISI ....funny

China a provides weapon to Paki which are cheap and unreliable that Pakis cant buy from US and provides technology on BM program.

Pakistan on their part have perfected the art of begging from their sponsors YOY

Its dangerous yes but there is little India can do or has done here except may be send a dossier on the terrorist activity to these countries.
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Green on Green Intra-Mohammadden violence by way of a demonstration of the IEDology of Pakistan conducted by Un-uniformed Jihadi’s and targeting the uniformed Jihadi’s of the military of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, kills 7 in Miranshah.

Bomb kills seven Pakistani soldiers: Officials
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Commissioning ceremony of F-22p frigate held
Thursday, April 18, 2013 - Karachi—An impressive ceremony on the occasion of commissioning of 4th F-22P ship PNS ASLAT, indigenously built at Karachi Shipyard & Engineering Works Ltd was held today. Admiral Mohammad Asif Sandila, Chief of the Naval Staff, graced the occasion as Chief Guest. The ceremony was attended by high ranking officials/dignitaries from China and Pakistan including HE Ambassador of Peoples Republic of China, Vice President China State Shipbuilding Corporation. (CSSC).

The commissioning of PNS ASLAT and its handing over to Pakistan Navy’s Fleet culminates the historic contract signed in 2005 for construction of three F-22P ships in China and transfer of technology for indigenous construction of fourth ship at Karachi Shipyard. The timely and successful delivery of all ships including the indigenously built 4th ship, speaks volumes of cooperation and commitment of CSTC/HZ Shipyard, Karachi Shipyard and Naval Headquarters.

PNS ASLAT is fitted with state of the art weapons and sensors, which make it a highly potent platform capable to operate under multi threat environment. Inclusion of this unit in Pakistan Navy’s Destroyer Squadron shall further strengthen and augment its capabilities to defend the sea frontiers.
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Russian air force chief visits PAF Headquarters
Tuesday, April 16, 2013 - Islamabad—Lieutenant General Viktor Nikolayevich Bondarev Commander-in-Chief, Russian Federation Air Force visited Air Headquarters Islamabad Monday.

It is the first ever visit of Russian Air Chief to Pakistan, Air Chief Marshal Tahir Rafique Butt, Chief of the Air Staff, Pakistan Air Force had his maiden visit to Russia in August 2012, for participation in the International Military Conference.

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Lieutenant General Viktor Nikolayevich Bondarev is visiting Pakistan on the invitation of Air Chief Marshal Tahir Rafique Butt, Chief of the Air Staff, Pakistan Air Force.

The visiting guest paid homage to the martyrs of PAF by laying floral wreath on Martyrs’ Monument at Air Headquarters, Islamabad.

Later he called on Air Chief Marshal Tahir Rafique Butt in his office. Both remained together for some time and discussed matters of professional interest.

The delegation also attended a briefing at Air Headquarters on the organization, role and functioning of Pakistan Air Force.

Later in the day, the Russian Delegation visited Air Defence Command, Pakistan Air Force.

The Delegation attended a briefing on the working of Air Defence Command and also visited Air Defence Operation Centre.

On their arrival, the Delegation was received by Air Vice Marshal Ejaz Mahmood Malik, Air Officer Commanding, Air Defence Command, Pakistan Air Force.
He seems to have even checked JF-17

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Not sure how accurate it is found it at mp.net , RD-93 vs WS-13

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Austin wrote:Not sure how accurate it is found it at mp.net , RD-93 vs WS-13

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if this engine was that good they wouldn't think of importing RD33 from Russia knowing that supply of spares engines & other parts could stop if India exerts pressure on its long term ally.
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WS-13 has not proceeded to its logical conclusion and it has ended in a disaster but Chinese wont admit it for H&D reason.

There are two pointers for the above

Chinese are working on an updated variant of JF-17 Block 2 and later Block 3 model

http://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/ ... 2-upgrades

And Klimov has been contracted to develop an updated thrust variant of RD-93MA with 9300 kgf ( 20500 lb )

http://en.take-off.ru/news/107-june2012 ... tontherise

According to Klimov, the company’s jet engine priorities are the development of the modified RD-93MA with the thrust enhanced to 9,300 kgf for a foreign customer
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todays visit of the RUAF chief to Pindi could be to talk about this deal and scope out further business prospects.
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Most likely for Rd-93 engines for the "Blundaar". The Blundaar can only be a threat in numbers never quality but I hope IN orders more GE-414's and gets 200 LCA into service soon.
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where do these bhikaris getr money to buy the rd93s
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US of A, Saudi chin etc
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SUPARCO is totally irrelevant even in pakistan just like the founder.
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X Posted, hat tip to Kish for the article link.

Green on Green Intra-Mohammadden violence sees the un-uniformed Jihadi’s of the Taliban taking on the uniformed Jihadi’s of the Army of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan through a demonstration of the IEDology of Pakistan:

Four soldiers killed in NWA IED blast
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Is this a confirmation of the genesis upgrade for on?
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suryag wrote:where do these bhikaris getr money to buy the rd93s
More like Tughlaking. Bhikari comes from bhiksha perhaps. Tughlak made begging profitable as per a post in tsp thread http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 8#p1448188
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Janes : Interview with Air Commodore Khalid Mehmood , JF 17 program

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Austin wrote:Janes : Interview with Air Commodore Khalid Mehmood , JF 17 program

http://im42.gulfup.com/RUGa7.png
The pad wants the world to believe that everything is dreamy and perfect in the jf-17 world!
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Of course they do- they are desperately seeking export buyers for the JF-17 to reduce their unit costs and bring more work for PAC Kamra. The more the unit costs reduce, the more affordable the JF-17 becomes to a cash strapped PAF. And since the PAF directly manages the JF-17 program, all this hunky dory interviews can be viewed almost like reading a SAAB Gripen director's interview on the Gripen E/F. They'll only be filled with positivity.
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Austin wrote:Janes : Interview with Air Commodore Khalid Mehmood , JF 17 program http://im42.gulfup.com/RUGa7.png
Sometimes one reveals more than one can hide.
At the moment the JF-17 is already qualifed for quick-reaction alert duty
Last ditch defence when the enemy is overhead.
We have IFF on board, so we can go straight up and shoot at the enemy
Why would something with a radar use IFF to target? Unless the radar isn't integrated or has full set of operational modes.
only flew with PL-5EII...now flying with SD-10
in all probablity using missile seeker guidance & not aircraft radar cueing, significantly limiting range to that of the small missile seeker.
precision-guided bombs
yet no LDP is qualifed, so how do these precision-guided bombs achieve the precision?
The aircraft could have the capability to carry four SD-10 missiles but we decided to pursue the present configuration
The RD-33/93 is a thirsty engine, which is why the MiG-29 was refitted with the hump in K & UPG. Without the three fuel tanks, it simply doesnt have the range. Which brings up the question of how good it is A2G, unless its dropping bombs on Taliban attacking the airfield.
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Aditya G wrote:
Austin wrote:Janes : Interview with Air Commodore Khalid Mehmood , JF 17 program

http://im42.gulfup.com/RUGa7.png
The pad wants the world to believe that everything is dreamy and perfect in the jf-17 world!
If Russia tried to sell us something like the JF-17 that even their airforce isn't comfortable with, the media and "professional talking heads" on Tv would be calling for CBI, JPC, CAG etc investigatons into the "Scandal". But in Pakistan it is a celebrated symbol of technological progress.

Even the Su-30mki doesn't receive as much adulation and praise from the Indian Air Force as the JF-17 gets from the PAK - force.
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X Posted from the "Pakistani Role in Global Terrorism" thread.

Deutsche Welle implicates the uniformed jihadi’s of the military of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s, in particular its intelligence arm the Inter-Services Intelligence Directorate ( ISI aka ISID) with continuing dalliance with Mohammadden Terrorists.

Matt Waldman, a researcher on the Afghanistan conflict at Harvard University:
"The evidence indicates that the ISI hasn't fundamentally changed its policy. The Afghan Taliban are in some ways stronger now. They launched twice as many attacks in 2012 than they did in 2008. They are able to sustain such a high level of attacks on Afghan and coalition forces by having quite an extensive network of bases inside Pakistan that deal with operations, logistics, training, recruitment and other matters."
Emrys Schoemaker, a communications analyst and researcher at the London School of Economics:
"All the evidence suggests that there are elements in the Pakistani military that continue to support the Taliban. And, if the West's expectation is that this support is going to stop, then the West is right to view aspects of the military and state do support the Taliban with suspicion."
Read it all:

TERRORISM : Pakistani support for extremists persists
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munna has been given 500 JDAMs . perhaps these can be dropped off by the JF17 as it just needs accurate waypoint navigation.
TSP also has a lot of old maverick AGM65 TV guided bombs ...which are guided by a TV screen...perhaps this could also be integrated khan willing
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http://vimeo.com/65576468

Video regarding PAF.
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agastya wrote:http://vimeo.com/65576468

Video regarding PAF.
A small country has created a mass production line for UAV.

This country has to get grants and military aid to balance its budget?
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A small country has created a mass production line for UAV.

This country has to get grants and military aid to balance its budget?
This could pose a huge problem, especially in the event of a war, for Pakistan.

After Decades of Neglect, Pakistan Rusts in Its Tracks
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They are letting it die hoping that america will take pity and fund a revival, or that china will fund atleast the main line down to gwader from pok for its own use which pakis can piggyback on.
But looking at the old sal wood sleepers in one pic, looks like a lot of track work is needed, not just new trains. We phased out such sleepers by the early 90s even in remoter lines and replaced with metal or more usually concrete sleepers.

Less of army, more of railway might have helped...but thats out of question for a qila e islam like pakistan.
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Pakistan's China-made fighter jets to escort Chinese Premier Li Keqiang's plane
The JF-17s, developed and built jointly by China and Pakistan, will guide the special Air China Boeing 747 aircraft to Nur Khan airbase, where a 21-gun salute will mark Mr Li's arrival, officials said.

The JF-17s will fly past the airbase as Mr Li will be received by President Asif Ali Zardari and caretaker Prime Minister Mir Hazar Khan Khoso, they said.

This is Mr Li's first visit to Pakistan since assuming office in March and a "warm welcome awaits him", said a statement from the Foreign Office.

The visit will focus on "broadening the horizons of multi-faceted ties" between the two countries.
Wow, PM, President and Foreign Min personally receiving China's No 2 at the airport! And 6 Bandaar jets to welcome his aircraft into Paki airspace. Typical Paki begging.

Added later: They're also giving him their highest civilian award Nishan-e-Pak --> To a guy who's been in office for 1 month.
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^^ LOL, At least they didn't all come to receive him with a "collection bowl" ready.

The Premier's visit to Pakistan should be more interesting than his visit to India, especially the kind of "aid" he plans to dole out to Pakistan. I'm sure like Satan Claus, he will first check to see if Pakistan has been a "good boy" before he signs the checks....
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The Pakis must be scheming on how to squeeze most out of this 'Panda'. Bet they will do a USA to China in 10 years by pumping Islamic militancy in China's western regions, and then demand money to fix it.

Pakis are no one's friends and China knows this better than anyone else.
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Looks PN ships allow civilians on their ships for non combatant roles like barber etc., watch 4:40 onwards....any idea on what the modus operandi for IN is?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcKDqjGJ6AQ
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Any information regarding Pakistan's acquisition of the Chinese supersonic cruise missile YJ-12 derivative CM-400AKG for its JF-17s?? Considering that it is claimed to have a range of 250km at Mach 4, it looks like a weapon designed to defeat the Indian Navy's carrier force or any attempt to enforce a blockade around Karachi.

The Indian navy needs to seriously consider advanced the threat from supersonic AShM if they plan on challenging the Chinese Navy and keeping the Paki's in line.
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The Barak-8/LRSAM can take on supersonic AShMs.Once it comes in, the INs fleet AD will improve considerably.
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PN is acquiring 4 x ATR-72s to replace Fokker F-27s ...

ATR 72-212A (ex-EC-JAH):

http://www.aviationcorner.net/show_phot ... ?id=292314

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Pakistan ... 1e47885764

Aircraft Type: ATR 72-212A
Construction Number: 788
Year Built: 2008
Last Known Registration: A2-ABS
Last Known Operator: Air Botswana
Brief History: Registered in France as F-WWEG for pre-delivery test flights. Registered in India as VT-KAT :mrgreen: but delivery not taken by Kingfisher Airlines. Registered in Botswana as A2-ABS and operated by Air Botswana

http://jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=7606834
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