Pakistan arms sales, ops, doctrine, etc

tushar_m · Post by **tushar_m** » 24 Apr 2014 20:37

actually it was F-5 , unfortunately the pilot was also killed

tushar_m · Post by **tushar_m** » 27 Apr 2014 13:06

Pakistan receives 120 Chinese C-602 anti-ship missiles

U.S. media said that Pakistan has received the 2009 Order of 120 Chinese C-602 anti-ship missiles and deployed warships and coastal artillery. This is in response to the higher cost of India now has a supersonic "BrahMos" missile.

According to the American Strategy Page website reported on April 23, C-602 is the "Eagle" -62 export subsonic missile with a range of -62 shorter than the "Eagle" (280 km instead of 400 km), in the electronic There are some less obvious differences in means (especially anti-radar) aspects. Both missiles weight is 1.22 tons, with a 300 kg warhead.

Reported, C-602 is a decades-old another new version of Chinese "Silkworm" anti-ship missiles, and is the longest range version. Guidance inertial navigation system, can generally range missile to the target. After playing on the radar to start, radar can detect possible targets 40 kilometers away, and that the target of 30 km away.

The report also said that China is giving its newest destroyer equipped C-602, also in the missile for coastal defense forces. Myanmar also ordered some C-602, but it is unclear whether it has received the missiles.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 27 Apr 2014 18:02

PAF inducts first batch of F-16 fighter jets from Jordan - Dawn

SARGODHA: Pakistan received on Sunday its first batch of F-16 fighter jets delivered from Jordan, DawnNews reported.

Sources said that the Pakistan had signed a contract with Jordan for the supply of 13 fighter jets out of which five were delivered at the Mushaf Mir Airbase in Sargodha and inducted in the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) fleet.

The inclusion of the 13 jets would take the strength of the PAF F-16s to 76.

Media reports indicated the PAF had agreed to purchase an entire squadron from Jordan, consisting of 12 A models and one B model. According to one news report, the jets "were in good condition since they had attained Mid-Life Update (MLU) and they would be providing service for another 20 years with almost 3,000 hours on average available to them for flying."

This is clearly a US & KSA joint operation. May be the USD 1.5 B that KSA transferred recently to TSP was to pay for Jordan.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 27 Apr 2014 18:12

Well - so I had better believe it now.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 27 Apr 2014 18:28

see I told you, once they have funding tied up, they are tactically very nimble and dont bother with any fairness or the infamous global tender red tape.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 27 Apr 2014 21:42

Singha wrote:see I told you, once they have funding tied up, they are tactically very nimble and dont bother with any fairness or the infamous global tender red tape.

Yes they are nimble although they do buy junk with that nimbleness. But in this case I genuinely suspected that it was a bluff.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 28 Apr 2014 00:05

What do these F-16 A and one B, with MLU have, to be considered to be a threat? May be they do and I am missing something.

However, I think this is a great situation for the GoI to bitch about - if they ever do bitch about such things.

tsarkar · Post by **tsarkar** » 28 Apr 2014 01:42

Jordan was always a historical conduit for US arms transfer to Pakistan. The US appeasement continues.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 28 Apr 2014 04:16

The next step would be for the US to upgrade these F-16s.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 28 Apr 2014 08:46

May be there is those F-16's are part of a surprise in store for India for new Govt to handle. Hope our armed forces and intelligeence agencies have thier eyes and ears open.

tushar_m · Post by **tushar_m** » 28 Apr 2014 10:42

Total 5 aircrafts are expected to join PAF in first batch

while A & B models of F16 are not BVR capable , they may have to upgrade them using TAI .

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 28 Apr 2014 10:50

Turkey will probably upgrade them.

even if behind the block50+, these airframes can extensively be used for training and GOAT sorties and save the airframe hours of the more advanced kit.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 28 Apr 2014 12:16

and more importantly these AMRAAM equipped F-16 can spoil many of IAF attack sorties.

TSJones · Post by **TSJones** » 28 Apr 2014 12:43

I don't get alarmed over defensive dog fighting in the air stuff but what concerns me are those sniper pod kits for the f-16's. That's top shelf kick ass gear and it can be used offensively. I don't know if the Obama administration or the Bush administration authorized it but whoever did wasn't thinking of the ramifications. I think it was done to help the Paaakis fight the taliban. In fact, there have been number reports of drone attacks of which the US has flatley denied. My suspicion it was a Packi f-16 fit with a sniper pod over 20 miles away from the target. On a cloudy night. You dig?

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 28 Apr 2014 21:51

As the SAM cover over India gets better with time both qualitatively and quantitatively any F-16 with Sniper or any thing worth the name would have hard time penetrating our AD cover ....unlike in the 80's where F-16 was a major threat to Indian strategic targets that threat has narrowed down due to better AD cover and associated survellence asset.

I would rather be scared of those Sneaky Subsonic Cruise missile penetrating our AD with numbers, right profile and trajectory to match than any F-16.

But these newer F-16 asset with AMRAAM would be a good deterrent for any offensive air operation inside Pakistan Airspace atleast a worthy competitor.....hopefully DRDO folks would come with good Jammer to deal with AMRAAM related threat.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 29 Apr 2014 08:30

TSJones wrote:I don't get alarmed over defensive dog fighting in the air stuff but what concerns me are those sniper pod kits for the f-16's. That's top shelf kick ass gear and it can be used offensively. I don't know if the Obama administration or the Bush administration authorized it but whoever did wasn't thinking of the ramifications. I think it was done to help the Paaakis fight the taliban. In fact, there have been number reports of drone attacks of which the US has flatley denied. My suspicion it was a Packi f-16 fit with a sniper pod over 20 miles away from the target. On a cloudy night. You dig?

This is what one analysis said about the imported Paki F-16s from Jordan
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/51b ... 16s-02396/

... this set being sold is from the 33-plane Peace Falcon I/II purchases of F-16 ADFs in 1997 and 2003. The F-16 ADF variant is actually the F-16 Block 15OCU, which added the more reliable F100-PW-220 turbofan, structural strengthening, an enlarged HUD, and provisions for the radar-guided AIM-120 AMRAAM missile. F-16 ADFs retain the AN/APG-66 radar, which has been supplanted by APG-68 models in subsequent variants and in Pakistan’s upgraded fighters. ADFs have some precision ground attack capability using the AGM-65 Maverick missile, but would be well behind Pakistan’s 18 new Block 52s, or the PAF’s roughly 40 existing Block 15 fighters that were upgraded to a similar standard under the programs above.

Barring upgrades, the best use for F-16 ADFs is as interceptor and air superiority fighters. Recall, however, that the DSCA request for MLU & Falcon STAR kits had a maximum of 60 aircraft, and that these kits wouldn’t be needed for the new F-16C/D Block 52s. Pakistan could order 13 more upgrade kits for these aircraft, and still be within its allotted FMS total.

Now the US can certainly help its ally here, knowing how generous the US is with its good friends. These F-16s already carry AMRAAMs to shoot down Indian pilots, but if the US simply pays for upgrades - Indian men on the ground too can be taken out - ensuring fewer people left for slavery in India and rapes in Kashmir.

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 29 Apr 2014 13:53

USA fully knows that anti India terror orgs function in Pakistan. These are not targeted by USA weaponry provided. On the other hand, why would pakis get weapons to deal with terrorists within Pakistan.

Logic seems totally contradictory ie neither Pakistan needs weapons for homegrown terror orgs nor pakis use USA weaponry for all terror orgs.

USA seems to have no problems when upgraded jets are used selectively against terror orgs or upgrades are provided when pakis harbour anti India terror orgs.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 29 Apr 2014 16:15

its very simple, pak says to unkil - "we are trrified of yindoos, look they are so aggressive"
unkil says "oh?"
pak says "give us some stuff and we'll be less scared of yindoos and we'll bash the talibunnies"
unkil says "oooh!"

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 30 Apr 2014 03:12

Pakistan: PM's gas connection cut over unpaid bills

But the premier's office is apparently just one of several official buildings to be disconnected in the capital city, Islamabad. Parliament House, Parliament Lodges and the Federal Shariat Court are some of the other government buildings currently without gas.

Saudi's are getting lazy?

arun · Post by **arun** » 30 Apr 2014 17:04

X Posted from the “ISI History and Discussions” thread.

Reuters reports that the notorious intelligence arm of the uniformed Jihadi’s of the Punjabi dominated Military of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, the Inter-Services Intelligence Directorate aka ISI aka ISID has been intimidating journalists:

Amnesty: Pakistan should investigate spy agency over journalist attacks

Excerpt from the cited Amnesty International report titled “‘A BULLET HAS BEEN CHOSEN FOR YOU’ : ATTACKS ON JOURNALISTS IN PAKISTAN”:

“Say whatever you like about politicians, you can even criticise the Army. But the ISI, you can never say a bad word against them.”

………. no state actor is more feared by journalists than the Directorate for Inter-Services Intelligence of the Pakistan Armed Forces or ISI, the military’s powerful and secretive premier intelligence service. Dozens of journalists from across Pakistan and working in all media platforms and for outlets big and small complained to Amnesty International about human rights violations – harassment, intimidation or attacks – they claimed they suffered at the hands of the ISI. On the basis of detailed investigations into these cases, it appears that journalists are particularly at risk of abuse by the ISI if they expose security lapses by the military, its alleged links to armed groups like the Taliban, or human rights violations by security forces in Balochistan and northwest Pakistan, or if they work for foreign media outlets considered by the state to be hostile to Pakistan.

The cited Amnesty International report on which there is a lot more on the ISI / ISID is available at the below link:

‘A BULLET HAS BEEN CHOSEN FOR YOU’ : ATTACKS ON JOURNALISTS IN PAKISTAN

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 30 Apr 2014 17:40

Amnesty International bhi cheese hai.

The tail is wagging the dog, how can the dog investigate the tail?

AI needs to first get the ISI to work for the GoP, bring it under civilian control (if not totally dismantle it).

Until then we can only observe the tamasha, which includes other foreign governments and AI itself!!

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 01 May 2014 12:16

Reading wikipedia page on Pakistani Army Equipment http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan_Army#Equipment

Is it true Pakis have 6000 tanks

1100 pieces of Self Propelled artillery with 665 M 109's all above 155mm shells plus anther 2000 other artillery pieces. This would outclass the Indian army.

abhik · Post by **abhik** » 01 May 2014 14:08

^^^
The source article itself claims that they have 200 (with about 300 in 2015) M109 how does it become 665 in the wiki article? Numbers of most other equipment have been exaggerated. Also note some of items listed are in fact WW2 era weapons(though they may be still in service).

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 01 May 2014 14:12

Aditya_V wrote:Reading wikipedia page on Pakistani Army Equipment http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan_Army#Equipment

Is it true Pakis have 6000 tanks

1100 pieces of Self Propelled artillery with 665 M 109's all above 155mm shells plus anther 2000 other artillery pieces. This would outclass the Indian army.

Pakistan army outclasses all other armies in the world. Check Wiki for more info.

P Chitkara · Post by **P Chitkara** » 01 May 2014 14:39

What blasphemy!! Isn't it a fact, each of their weapons is equal to n number of the kafir's weapons

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 01 May 2014 15:14

Thanks, but quite frankly Pakistan Army is overarmed and Indian army is under armed. The Paki Army cheif's and Interior Minister comments with recent F-16 purchases on Saudi doles. Looks like Saudi Paki combine have planned something in case NM is elected.

Hope whatever it is it is detected in time and flops very badly.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 01 May 2014 15:27

I was discussing with Shiv/Ramana in Deterrence thread that Pakistan would try something to size up Indian leadership if NaMo gets elected.

I can remember couple of instances in the past when they did that , 1993 Mumbai Blast when PVN was PM , Kargil/Parliament Attack when ABV was PM , 26/11 when MMS was PM ......i am excluding the many big and small blast that ISI did in major cities where many Indians lost their life and the attack on Indian security forces in Border and in Kashmir.

Pakis are convinced that in the past 2 decades when India was challenged the leadership turned out to be weak and impotent but with NaMo at the helm they would again gauge and size him up ..atleast thats my fear and I would be glad to be proven wrong.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 01 May 2014 15:30

expect a terror strike or cross LOC activity

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 01 May 2014 15:40

good insight Austin.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 06 May 2014 12:36

Weak Claims on Nuclear Dynamics - Swaran Singh, The Hindu

EVOLVING DYNAMICS OF NUCLEAR SOUTH ASIA: Air Commodore Tariq Mahmud Ashraf (Retd.), PAF;
KW Publishers Pvt. Ltd., 4676/21, I Floor, Ansari Road, Daryaganj, New Delhi-110002. Rs. 980.

Some titles like Evolving Dynamics of Nuclear South Asia will never go out of fashion. And, if a much-awarded former fighter pilot were to offer a manuscript, most publishers may not even read it before committing to publish it. Such pitfalls are worse in case of authors. Their life is often driven by deadlines; deadlines that can produce still-born scripts with a few flashes that help them survive readers’ intolerance.

The book under review is a collation of sketchy summaries of the author’s, and yes, others’ earlier writings and documents. This makes it spasmodic, excessively repetitive; threatening to kill reader’s interest with unnecessary details, leave alone typographic, grammatical and factual errors. But its few insightful assertions can provide a peek into the mindset of the Pakistani Air Force.

American ambivalence

Its first convincing assertion is on the U.S. role in nuclearisation of South Asia. From the late 1960s, the U.S. is shown as aware of Pakistan providing China access to US-supplied military hardware. From the late 1970s, the U.S. has conclusive evidence on the Pakistani nuclear weapons programme. And yet, it chooses to look the other way, as Pakistan is first an ally in SEATO and CENTO and then its frontline state in Afghanistan. Special national intelligence estimates in 1983 record how, following India’s nuclear test in 1974, China gave “verbal consent to help Pakistan develop a nuclear blast capability.” By the 1990s, the U.S. was aware of the Chinese buying equipment from its European allies either directly in the name of Pakistan or indirectly.

In the backdrop of China’s atomic tests in 1964, Secretary to the Prime Minister, L.K. Jha, embarks on a tour of nuclear weapon powers seeking nuclear security guarantees in return for India signing the NPT. The U.S. here is shown ready to give nothing more than a private verbal assurance, that too in the backdrop of some UN resolution sermonising on non-use against non-nuclear powers. In his meeting with Jha, Secretary of Defense, Robert McNamara is shown (a) warning India against overreaction to perceived threat from China, (b) downplaying the significance of U.S. military supplies to Pakistan and (c) suggesting that India cut her defence budget by 25 per cent and reduce military manpower by 200,000.

The second point the author brings out is the underlying cause of divergence in Indo-Pak nuclear policies and perceptions. For him, while Pakistan’s motivations flow out of military considerations, India’s motivations emerge from political considerations. This implies that Pakistan sees its nuclear assets as a military weapon while India sees them as instruments of political power.

Therefore, while Pakistani nuclear decision-making has been controlled by the military, remains shrouded in secrecy, focuses on a defined enemy (India), and is happily restricted to a nuclear ‘dyad’ believing that Pakistan will be the first to use nuclear weapons, India has demonstrated strong political control, transparency with a published doctrine that prescribes a ‘triad’ capability and one that sees self-defence as its purpose and believes that nuclear weapons only deter nuclear weapons.

For Pakistan, nuclear weapons are not only meant to deter the onset of war but, if war becomes inevitable, also deter possibility of devastating defeat. The nuclearisation of South Asia, for the author, has not just enhanced the strategic stability but significantly reduced the possibility of an all-out conventional war. But he believes that this strategic stability remains premised on both sides enhancing transparency. He also exhorts that, given the rudimentary nature of their nuclear weapons and delivery systems, both India and Pakistan should abstain from thinking about counter-force or counter-value targets and contemplate only counter-space (sparsely populated) targets or naval assets on high seas.

As his third useful assertion, the author re-enforces how the Strategic Planning Division (SPD) has become inordinately powerful. Khalid Kidwai, head of SPD for over a decade, virtually single-handedly controls Pakistan’s nuclear establishment more in his personal capacity. Also, SPD continues to be manned almost exclusively by Pakistan Army officers who formulate not just Pakistan’s nuclear policy but even arms control and disarmament postures. The SPD has its own command of 10,000 troops to ensure the security of all nuclear institutions and installations.

Though designed originally to act as staff for National Command Authority (NCA), “the SPD over the years has assumed significant executive authority.” What is interesting is that Services Force Commands are shown as falling directly under the SPD’s administrative control. These Service Commands have authority limited only to training, technical and administrative matters. The operational planning and control rests with SPD as it functions in name of the NCA under the overall direction of Prime Minister.

The author reiterates how even while the NCA has overwhelming participation of politicians, “none of these political entities can be expected to overrule the military.” Leave alone politicians, he says, even the Pakistan Army does not take the Air Force and Navy into confidence in undertaking its major (mis)adventures.

Nuclear terrorism

Terrorists gaining access to Pakistan’s nuclear material, even assets, has been another constant concern. The spread of technology and expertise indeed makes it possible that these may fall into the wrong hands. However, terrorists getting a ready-made nuclear device and having the expertise and wherewithal to detonate it remains a far-fetched proposition. They may obtain minor quantities of fissile material and use these to produce a ‘dirty bomb’ but this is not likely to help their cause. Instead, they may be tempted to try and sabotage or occupy nuclear installations to bargain for their demands, but nuclear assets are normally protected far too well.

Though terrorism remains a serious threat inside Pakistan, the state remains equally worried about threats from outside. These include possibilities of surgical strikes by India, Israel or even the U.S., or strangulation by the sheriffs of non-proliferation. The author assures that Pakistan’s nuclear assets are secure in view of their secret locations, screening of personnel and frequent changes in manpower.

Substantive contradictions

In the end, most these assertions however must be taken with a pinch of salt because the book is full of contradictions. Chapter five condemns Pakistan Army exercising “an inordinate percentage of control over the nuclear potential… [which] is unacceptable and must not be allowed to materialise” and then Chapter seven scorns “the mess that the politicians and the bureaucrats have made of this country” and justifies as “rightly so” that the military “trusts neither the political leadership nor the bureaucracy” and that “armed forces will continue to dominate in all aspects.”

Similarly, while Chapter eight says “Israel cannot be eliminated as a focal point of our nuclear employment doctrine”, Chapter nine declares “Pakistan’s nuclear doctrine would not envisage any threat other than India.” Then in chapter nine itself, while at page 132, the author wants Pakistan’s nuclear doctrine “to be a ‘living’ document which is amenable to rapid modifications and adjustments”, on page 135 he wants “suitable legislation to be enacted to preclude any arbitrary.” One can list many more contradictions but hopes that authors and publishers will be far more responsible before readers reject them altogether.

merlin · Post by **merlin** » 06 May 2014 17:23

Lalmohan wrote:expect a terror strike or cross LOC activity

Cross LoC activity in concert with cross LaC activity this time maybe.

schinnas · Post by **schinnas** » 06 May 2014 19:32

Aditya_V wrote:and more importantly these AMRAAM equipped F-16 can spoil many of IAF attack sorties.

Two mangoes in one stone! US gets to pacify Puki blackmailers before they withdraw from Af-Pak while salvaging some H&D. Equally important, scare IAF to buy Uncle's hardware at exorbitant prices. Beautiful but like most such strategies will fall flat on its face. But that will be a problem from some other GOTUS to clean (and make even bigger mess in this process).

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 13 May 2014 15:39

US Chief of Naval Operations arrives in Pakistan, meets CoAS, CNS - DAWN

Admiral Jonathan Greenert, US chief of naval operations, arrived in the federal capital city on Tuesday on an important visit aimed at enhancing professional cooperation between the navies of the two countries.

Admiral Jonathan also held a meeting with Chief of Army Staff General Raheel Sharif at the army's General Headquarters (GHQ) in Rawalpindi, according to an Inter Services Public Relations spokesperson.

Admiral Jonathan held a meeting with Chief of Naval staff Admiral Asif Sandila at Naval Headquarters in Islamabad, a spokesman for Pakistan Navy told Dawn.

During the meetings both sides agreed to enhance professional cooperation between two navies.

The US official appreciated the role of Pakistan Navy in anti-piracy operation in gulf of Aden.

Earlier, the top Navy commander of the US also visited Karachi where he had addressed Navy cadets at Pakistan Navy Academy, PNS Rahbar in Manora.

He also inspected Pakistani submarine "Khalid" and ship PNS Alamgir, which is a guided-missile frigate and lauded the professional standards maintained by sailors and officers of Pakistan Navy.

The Pakistan Navy spokesman added Admiral Jonathan would also meet Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif and Defence Minister Khawaja Asif during his stay in Islamabad.

Ganesh_S · Post by **Ganesh_S** » 13 May 2014 18:57

http://www.dawn.com/news/1104688/paf-of ... rimination

Kartik · Post by **Kartik** » 15 May 2014 19:54

Flight Global is reporting that Pakistan is looking at buying additional F-16s from Jordan in addition to the 13 it first acquired. Doesn't mention what the number being looked at for the second batch will be.

tushar_m · Post by **tushar_m** » 16 May 2014 07:31

Romania just bought 12 F 16's from Portugal while Belgium F-16's are going through MLU .

there are a lot of spare F 16's in Europe but can't say if they will sell to Pakistan

the best way for PAF is to get Turkish F-16's (they have about 250)

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 16 May 2014 18:05

Kartik wrote:Flight Global is reporting that Pakistan is looking at buying additional F-16s from Jordan in addition to the 13 it first acquired. Doesn't mention what the number being looked at for the second batch will be.

Jordan was reported to be buying the ones from Belgium.

arun · Post by **arun** » 19 May 2014 16:22

X Posted from the STFUP thread.

anupmisra wrote:Weren't these inbreds complaining about the design of the dams on Indian rivers? Well, here's an indicator to their own caliber.

Design defects hamper dam’s powerhouse operation

In less than a year since its commissioning in June last year, the Gomal Zam dam in South Waziristan is facing serious problem because of a number of design defects and other related matters

It gets better. The Prime Contractor for the Gomal Zam dam from 2007 till completion was an outfit run by the uniformed Jihadi’s of the Army of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan going by the name Frontier Works Organisation aka FWO. Looks like the Military Brass have ripped off the civilians once again

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tushar_m · Post by **tushar_m** » 19 May 2014 19:31

Pakistan could buy more Jordanian F-16s

Pakistan could acquire more Jordanian Lockheed Martin F-16 A/B Block 15 aircraft, as it prepares to receive the final two examples of the current deal for 13 aircraft.

An air force spokesman says the number of F-16’s could increase, but did not provide specific numbers.

From late April, Pakistan has received 11 former Jordanian F-16s. The arrival of the last two aircraft is expected soon, says the spokesman.

Pakistan decided to acquire used aircraft, as opposed to new ones, owing to budgetary concerns.

Based on Flightglobal’s World Air Force’s directory, the deal reduces Jordan’s F-16 fleet to 29 examples, and boosts Pakistan’s to 50.

Media reports from Pakistan quote air force officials saying that on average the airframes still have 3,000 flying hours, and should serve for an additional 20 years.

arun · Post by **arun** » 20 May 2014 06:46

X Posted from the STFUP thread.

Dawn article on the Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s Additional Secretary Ministry of defence Air Vice Marshal (Retired?) Arshad Quddus comments on the Defence budget.

Confirms that the Islamic Republic of Pakistan has fudged the defence budget by not including military pensions of over PKR 100 Billion in the budget figure. Not clear if the defence budget is being further fudged by not including debt servicing costs of loans taken for purchase of military hardware and for costs of nuclear weapons:

AVM Quddus admitted that military pensions, which have risen to over Rs100 billion, were not given from the defence budget but from civilian allocations.

Indications are that there is further understating of the defence budget by not including subsidies and other budgetary support given to the military’s business and commercial interests aka Milbus, like Fauji Foundation, Army Welfare Trust, Shaheen Foundation, Bahria Foundation, Frontier Works Organisation, National Logistioc Cell etc:

Senator Babar questioned the security establishment’s vast network of industrial, commercial and business enterprises throughout the country and said it had been kept out of public and parliamentary discourse and called upon the members of Parliament to equip themselves with knowledge and expertise to be able to exercise rigorous oversight of the Milbus.

“There is need to look into state subsidies and other support provided to these entities including Fauji Foundation, Army Welfare Trust, Shaheen Foundation, Bahria Foundation, Frontier Works Organisation, National Logistioc Cell and scores of others and examine its adverse impact on the growth of free market economy,” the PPP leader commented.

Read it all :

‘Pakistan’s defence spending lowest in region’