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Singha wrote:their AARs are mainly to sustain the AWACS in the air. having AAR on the 4 fighters escorting the AWACS also solves that issue.
other use could be special mission strike by F-16 on south indian targets like goa or kochi or karwar by refueling deep over the arabia sea, both on ingress and egress legs.....
F-16s are not compatible with hose and probe AAR system available to the PAF, unless they buy special pods from Israel.

IMHO the main benefactor is the Mirage fleet which can now take out Bombay High which much greater ease. But I agree that AEW and longer fighter caps are an advantage.
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Disproportionate use of force in the invasion of North Waziristan under Operation Zarb-e-Azb by the Uniformed Jihadi’s of the Punjabi dominated Military of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan has resulted in 566,000 Pathan refuges per the Islamic Republic Of Pakistan’s Minister of States and Frontier Regions, Lt. Gen. (Retd) Qadir Baloch.

Disappointing that the Mohammadden world otherwise every so ready to heave up in anger at the flimsiest of excuses has not risen up in anger at the naming of this operation in North Waziristan targeting fellow Mohammaddens after the sword used by that religions founder, Mohammad. Also disappointing that the Mohammadden world otherwise every so ready to heave up in anger at the flimsiest of excuses has not risen up in anger at this operation in North Waziristan targeting fellow Mohammaddens being continued during the Mohammadden holy month of Ramadan aka Ramazan.

At home here in India, the Mohammadden population of Jammu and Kashmir should be thankful that the Indian Army has not resorted to the indiscriminate use of force for quelling acts of Mohammaddenism Terrorism there. But then again doing a stint as a refugee might make Mohammadden Kashmiri’s more sensitive to the plight of Hindu Pandit’s who have been ethnically cleansed and driven out of the Kashmir valley by Mohammadden Terrorists:

566,000 registered as IDPs, meeting told
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JF-17 still a work in progress
Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC) is all set to rollout first Block-II JF-17 currently in development . PAC might have dubbed the new aircrafts has Block-II variant, which comes with improved versions of avionics sub-systems, Software upgrades to KLJ-7 radar , air-to-air refuelling capability, additional weapon-carrying capability, but all this updates were originally planned to be incorporated into Block-1 variant it self .

PAF might have inducted Two Squadrons and will raise third Squadrons one by end of 2014, But Aircraft is still far away from being declared Combat ready . Analyst and former Air Commodore Kaiser Tufail has been critical of the JF-17s current combat capabilities, and highlighted Potential payload shortcomings . JF-17 fleet has clocked 10,000 hours and flown over 13,500 sorties, with average sortie of just 45 minutes most of time, JF-17 has been seen flying with three large drop-tanks indicating low internal fuel capacity and/or high consumption by the Klimov RD-93 engine.

China and Pakistan have been Promoting the aircraft to former Mig-21/F-7 operators , but have not been successful in bagging export orders till now , According to latest report Myanmar has shown Interest in purchase of FC-1, Which is chinese version of the jet , but Myanmar had turned down such offer in past and had brought used Mig-29 from Russia instead. If Myanmar air force is really interested in the jet, they are clearly talking to chinese about it, and might ask for friendly price or friendly payment terms .

While Development of Block-III variant of Jf-17 has been planned, with new features like New Aesa Radar and better avionics package , along with chinese engine. Export orders of JF-17 will play a crucial role in bring in the much needed funds for development of the new Block-III variant , while PAF will likely order 200-250 aircrafts, it is still not clear how many Block-II variants will be procured , while no concrete decisions have been made about the choice and configuration of the onboard systems for the aircraft for the Block-III yet,It seems like without Export orders Block-III will be delayed for lack of funds .
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Shiv, it is also being stated that only the new Block II may carry the SD-10A missile. So it seems the First 50 were not BVR capable, not sure if they have any WVR tests.

I think they may be good for Waziristan operations were dumb bombs are dropped randomely, but doubt thier use in a combat enviorment.

Looks the Pakis have inducted the final Mig-21 config in numbers for H&D purposes.
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Aditya_V wrote:Shiv, it is also being stated that only the new Block II may carry the SD-10A missile. So it seems the First 50 were not BVR capable, not sure if they have any WVR tests.

I think they may be good for Waziristan operations were dumb bombs are dropped randomely, but doubt thier use in a combat enviorment.

Looks the Pakis have inducted the final Mig-21 config in numbers for H&D purposes.
This is why I cringe when people on BRF overflow with praise for Pakistan for their double quick inductions.

In the arms business a quick induction means good kickbacks to the particular officers at the top and that time before they retire or are transfered, and a lack of detailed planning about integration with other platforms and equipment. Both these factors are clearly mentioned as they occur in the PAF by Air Cmde (retd) Sajad Haider in his autobiography.
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PAF is seeking 68 Mirage 2000-9 from UAE after they are retired after they receive their 30 F-16 E/F Block-61 Desert Falcons. Alan Warne - Aviation Weekly.

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Women officers in sarees. How old is the picture?
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tushar_m wrote:PAF is seeking 68 Mirage 2000-9 from UAE after they are retired after they receive their 30 F-16 E/F Block-61 Desert Falcons. Alan Warne - Aviation Weekly.

got from some other forum
I remember reading that UAE had asked Dassault to find customers for/buy back their M2000s as a part of a possible Rafale Deal.
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Both UAE and the Qatari Govt had asked for very high prices for their Mirages.Where would the Shitistani's get the Money from to buy 68 M2000-9's?
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May be they didn't get any customers so decided to donate it to their Umma Braithers? Just speculating of course.
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tushar_m wrote:PAF is seeking 68 Mirage 2000-9 from UAE after they are retired after they receive their 30 F-16 E/F Block-61 Desert Falcons. Alan Warnes - Aviation Weekly.

got from some other forum
Wed, Jul 02, 2014

A series of meetings are expected to be held between the UAE, Egypt and France :mrgreen: to reach a deal for the Mirage 2000-9 fighter jets in service with the UAE Air Force (UAE) and increase the chances of putting the Rafale deal back on track.
http://www.tacticalreport.com/view_news ... afale/4094
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Pictures of the PA in current operations. Must say their kit has improved since they pulled this stunt last time.

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rkhanna wrote:Pictures of the PA in current operations. Must say their kit has improved since they pulled this stunt last time.

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What sort of general prominently displays his rank on his helmet and carries a swagger stick in an insurgent area?
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Seeing lots of US donations here!

We should promote US to saddle Pakis with high maintenance white elephant equipment - will burn paki budget just on servicing cost :)

Wait, isn't that the same ploy US is trying to do on to India ? Good world dominance strategy!
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What sort of general prominently displays his rank on his helmet and carries a swagger stick in an insurgent area?
The perks of being a REMF :)
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X Posted from the STFUP thread.

Indrani Bagchi interviews C Christine Fair:
It's surprising just how much jihad and Islam is actually in their publications. If the US army or India were to do this, it would be so controversial. What Pakistan is trying to do is use jihad to mobilize and to boost the morale of their troops so they are on perpetual war footing with India.

It's kind of demoralizing if you think you can't actually win against India. So the use of jihad is a way to make it seem as if everything the Pakistan army does is Islamically justified.
It's costly for Pakistan to maintain this competition, but they view defeat very differently. They don't view it in terms of territory lost or value of territory or number of lives lost. They view defeat as that moment when they can no longer resist India.
It is Zarb-e-bakwas. …………………………

What most people don't know is Senator Levin put in a proviso in FY 2015 that says if the Pakistanis don't do an operation in North Waziristan we're not going to give them $300 or $900 million. Now that they are done with this operation, the Pakistanis are making an argument in Washington DC that they should be given continued coalition support.
The irony is this: the Americans will help them kill as many terrorists as they will let them. But the Americans won't make them stop producing more terrorists.
Read it all:

For Pakistan, defeat is that moment when it can no longer resist India
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X Posted from the STFUP thread.

Practitioner of Genocide in Bangladesh in 1971, one of the most egregious cases of Genocide in the post second world war era, the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, accuses Israel of Genocide in Gaza.

Next the Islamic Republic of Pakistan which has a track record of supporting actions that have suppressed the Palestinian people has the temerity to fault UN members for not supporting Palestinians. The historic act of suppression of the Palestinian people I am referring to is the Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s support for the annexation of the West Bank by Jordan in 1950 which was opposed by all members of the Arab League. Besides that act there is the case of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s military support to Jordan led by then Brigadier Zia ul Haq to suppress the Palestinian’s in 1970-71 slaughter of Palestinian’s now commemorated by the Palestinians as “Black September”.

For an encore the Islamic Republic of Pakistan accuses Israel of resorting to disproportionate and indiscriminate use of force by Israel’s Operation Protective Edge. This while the Islamic Republic of Pakistan is using disproportionate and indiscriminate force like artillery bombardment and aerial bombing against fellow Muslim Pathan’s during and beyond Mohammadden holy month of Ramazan under Operation Zarb-e-Azb, which is named after founder of Mohammaddenism’s sword, in North Waziristan Agency.

The Occupation Army mentality of the Punjabi dominated Military of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan. Not for them the tactics of of the Indian Army in combatting Mohammadden Insurgency in jammu & Kashmir which eschews use of artillery bombardment and aerial bombing against misguided citizens. For the Islamic Republic of Pakistan the tactics of choice are those of Occupation Armies like the US in Afghnaistan and Iraq.
Gaza killings genocide: Pakistan

UNITED NATIONS: Pakistan criticised the 193-member United Nations General Assem­bly for remaining silent as Israeli military wreaked havoc on Gaza for nearly one month, which it termed “genocide”.

Pakistan’s UN Ambassador Masood Khan told a hurriedly-called UN General Assembly meeting on Wednesday — which was even not authorised to pass a resolution under pressure of Western countries — that the force used by Israel had been disproportionate, indiscriminate and lethal.

“The established norms of international humanitarian law — distinction, proportionality and precaution — were cast aside. The whole territory of Gaza has been wrecked and ravaged. Most of Gaza is a wasteland. This was no war between two equals; there was no symmetry,” he added. ……………………….
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Interesting machine gun mount. Never seen anything like this before.

More pictures of that zab-a-bum whatever operation on this link :http://imgur.com/gallery/Y1ThF
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A good alternative, since the main gun does not work properly?
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is that anti aircraft gun ??
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its idea borrowed from american supplied hummers in iraq.
since they are too poor to have a remotely controlled weapon stn and optronics for COIN role (HMG is ok , cannon fire is not), this thing permits firing that hmg at villagers and rebels from safer position.

the hummer http://www.worldtribune.com/wp-content/ ... mer_01.jpg
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X Posted from the STFUP thread.

How come the Uniformed Jihadi’s of the Military of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan never seem to find and stop anyone looking to do harm to India on their side of the border / line of control despite the bulk of their military forces being deployed there :?:
The Indian army on Friday night discovered a cross-border tunnel dug close to 50 meters into the Indian territory from Pakistan side in Pallanwala sector near Akhnoor in Jammu & Kashmir. Pointing out that the tunnel was big enough for terrorists to sneak into the Indian territory from Pakistan side, sources said that the area was immediately sealed by the troops.
Indian Express:

Indian army uncovers cross-border tunnel; Pakistani Rangers kill two civilians, injure four
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Cross border firing on the LOC with our jihadi neighbours.

We have weapon locating radar why are we not taking out their guns, once we take out a few dozen. They will either try something else or stop.
Start making it real costly if they initiate crap like this
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Can myself a Mango-Lungi-Abdul ask a simple question :-? I was reading a link below which says there are 5 weapons Pakistan needs to worry from India in future. 1st - INS Vikramaditya Aircraft Carrier, 2nd INS Chakra Nuclear Attack Submarine, 3rd AH-64D Apache Longbow Block III Attack Helicopter, 4th Su-30MKI Fighter & 5th Nuclear weapons.

The link says the Su-30MKI is arguably superior to any fighter in the Pakistani Air Force, with the possible exception of the F-16 Block 50/52, of which Pakistan has only 18. The context is of air superiority. I have always thought that not arguably, certainly Su-30MKI > any fighter in PAF when it comes to air superiority. (Apologies for not bringing other N number of variables like mission, friendly air zone, payload, number of fighters etc.) Any comments on this of how correct/incorrect is it? Any theoretical/limited Ref Flag scenario kill numbers to back/against the claim of Su-30MKI>F-16 Block 50/52 ? :roll:

Su-30MKI Fighter - The Indian Air Force’s Su-30MKI air superiority fighter is meant to secure air superiority over Pakistan. The IAF has 200 Su-30MKIs in service with another 72 on order. A long-ranged, twin engine fighter with a powerful radar and formidable armament, the Su-30MKI will form the mainstay of the Indian Air Force.

The Su-30MKI is an evolution of the 1980s-era Su-27 Flanker. Thrust vectoring control and canards make the plane highly maneuverable, while the Zhuk active electronically scanned array radar makes it capable of engaging several targets at once. Complementing the Zhuk will be the Novator long-range air to air missile, capable of engaging targets at up to 300 to 400 kilometers.

The Su-30MKI has an impressive twelve hardpoints for mounting weapons, sensors and fuel tanks. The Su-30MKI is arguably superior to any fighter in the Pakistani Air Force, with the possible exception of the F-16 Block 50/52, of which Pakistan has only 18.

A portion of the Su-30MKI force has been modified for the strategic reconnaissance role. Israeli-made sensor pods reportedly give the Indian Air Force the ability to look up to 300 kilometers into Pakistan (or China) simply by flying along the border. The Su-30MKI will grow even more lethal with the addition of the air-launched version of the BrahMos supersonic missile, currently under development. Each Su-30MKI will be capable of carrying a single BrahMos. BrahMos will give the Su-30MKI stand-off capability against ships and ground targets to ranges of 295 kilometers.

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IMO in the MKI Vs F-16 Senario the PESA of the MKI easily out muscles the APG on the Blk50/52. (There was talk few years back about how the Israelis were unhappy with their APGv9(?) and wanted to replace them with the ELTA 2052 which the Americans disallowed) The EW suites would be equal if not better in the MKI considering the amount of Israeli Tech that is on board the MKI and Uncle tends to dumb down export models.

The MKI with its super manoeuvrability and higher kinetic velocity will easily make up for its larger RCS in giving it a far more credible first shot capability.

Now in terms of Air Superiority between the PAF/IAF you are going to generally have a higher probability of Mixed Fighters in a DACT senario.

Leaving aside things like AWACs / C&C / ISR and Numbers that alone will give the IAF a substantial edge one of the things that was highlighted to me was that the PAF will (in all likely hood) be on the receiving end of a range of different AA Missiles that their EW/counter measure sensors are going to be working overtime to deal with . (Russian / Indian / Israeli / French).
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Wash post reporting that Paki Army has conducted a soft coup. They have taken over some aspects of security and foreign affairs in return for peace within. One Sharif for another.
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the su 30 mki vs f16 blk xyz ... is not such a straightforward comparison..will also depend on the scenario... particular situation... .. who is attacking/defendning ..numbers...who is flying ... and other variables...
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Same applies for J series too.
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If and when IAF and PAF decide to face off each other, 18 F-16 Block XYZ will be first to go to Iran or UAE > for safe keeping.

Unless Pakis do a first strike and take out half of our 200 MKI's out, no 'sane' Paki pilot will even consider taking off to face this horde of MKI's. We are not going to caught napping so first strike scenario is next to impossible.

What pakis have in surplus are jehadi lunatics and we can make grilled mincemeat of those no matter what they fly in!
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X Posted from the “Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 19 Jul 2014” aka STFUP thread.

Complete Deccan Chronicle interview of D.K. Pathak, director-general, Border Security Force (BSF), on the Islamic Republic of Pakistani’s recent shenanigans on the border.

DG BSF says that the Uniformed Jihadi’s of the Military of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan are providing covering fire to enable Un-uniformed Jihadi Mohammadden terrorists to infiltrate into India from the Islamic Republic:
Q&A - ‘Pakistan Army provides cover to militants’
DC | Namrata Biji Ahuja | September 02, 2014, 06.09 am IST

Why is Pakistan indulging in such heavy firing at the Indo-Pak border?

Since July 17, firing from Pakistani side continues unabated. Pakistani forces keep on attempting such kind of sniping; this is not unusual. When one of our boys got swept away in the Chenab river, we spoke to them immediately, and also put pressure on them. Our jawan was returned in 48 hours on August 8. We thanked them profusely. In fact, I sent a letter to the DG (Pakistan Rangers) thanking him.

It was a good gesture on Pakistan’s part. But what really surprised us was that sniping resumed the very next day, on August 9. Since then, firing has continued — sometimes it occurs early morning, sometimes late evening and, of course, late at night. We have retaliated.

On a couple of occasions we have noticed movement of armed people in civilian dress very close to the international border. Now why should civilians with arms move in that area? Since we have not caught them, we cannot say who are these militants, what groups they belong to, but the natural inference is that if a civilian is moving with arms in the dead of the night so close to the international border, he is not a regular person. Also, there has been intelligence input on the presence of militant groups.

How many terror camps are active along the border on the Pakistani side?

Terror camps exist in good numbers. Along the border, there would be 35-40 launching pads of militant groups. In each pad, militants come and go. The number of occupants keeps varying. While the training camps are little inside the Pakistan-occupied Kashmir, the launching pads are very close to the border so that at the earliest opportunity the militants can cross over.

What is the modus operandi of the militant outfits operating along the border?

When Pakistan Rangers are firing, infiltration attempts are made at a different place because they presume that Indian troops are engaged in firing. The firing is basically done to divert our attention. Sometimes Pakistan gives cover but only when there is no heightened tension between India and Pakistan else they know it will be retaliated. However, there are certain locations where militants feel that they won’t be caught in the crossfire and they can cross over. So these kinds of attempts always occur.

What do you think is the biggest problem on the border?

There are too many players in the game. Questions like who commands whom, who gives direction to whom, who is calling the shots at a particular given time is very difficult to say. Whether it is the handiwork of Pakistan military, the Inter-Services Intelligence, or the Pakistan Rangers? It keeps on changing. One thing is certain though, that the Pakistani Army has a predominant role in border management unlike the BSF. We are not under the control of the Army, we are independent as far as the international border is concerned. At a certain stretch of LoC, we are with the Army that has operational control. But on the IB, we are exclusive and the Army has no role at all.

Has there been any positive outcome of the flag meetings?

There have been two flag meetings — on August 27 and August 29 — but the outcome is not very encouraging. In fact, when the first flag meeting took place in Akhnoor sector, Pakistani officers came not to discuss any issue but to say that the level of the flag meeting should be raised to the sector commandant level from the battalion commandant level. Pakistan could have asked for a sector commandant level meeting in the first place; it was only buying time.
And on that night itself there was an infiltration attempt at the very place where the meeting took place. When they came very close to the border, we fired and immediately the retaliation came from a nearby Pakistani post instead of this militant group. This shows that active support is being given by the Pakistani forces to the militants. On one hand, you call for a flag meeting and on the other you make infiltration attempts and provide cover to militants. This is not done.

Are you satisfied with the response of your men?

Yes, extremely. We gave a fitting reply to firing by the Pakistanis — with heavy intensity and volume of fire. Our retaliation was many times stronger than firing from Pakistan’s side. The government has been backing all our efforts and our force is very spirited. The fact that the Pakistani side came forward for the talks shows that they felt the heat. In our retaliatory firing, some Pakistani soldiers were injured. But the Pakistani media does not highlight the casualties or injuries of their security forces.
Link is below:

Deccan Chronicle
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nik wrote:If and when IAF and PAF decide to face off each other, 18 F-16 Block XYZ will be first to go to Iran or UAE > for safe keeping.

Unless Pakis do a first strike and take out half of our 200 MKI's out, no 'sane' Paki pilot will even consider taking off to face this horde of MKI's. We are not going to caught napping so first strike scenario is next to impossible.

What pakis have in surplus are jehadi lunatics and we can make grilled mincemeat of those no matter what they fly in!
What is the possibility of bolded part happening the other way round? Material assistance coming from the middle east.
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What is the possibility of bolded part happening the other way round? Material assistance coming from the middle east.
IMO.

A Country like pakistan will always recieve support from Non-State actors but i doubt in a full fighting war they will receive serious material assistance from any of the Major ME countries. (Not including Turkey here).

Pakistan as far as Islamist superiority complex go are way down the totem pole in their social standing. The relationship with India ($) is far more important today than helping pakistan. Dont forget that a bunch of these countries are struggling with their own fundamentalist crises and Pakistan is not all that much liked through the ME. Even in Kargil the ME stayed out pretty much aside from fuel deliveries.

Secondly other than money and fuel the ME (including the UAE) dont have much material support to offer. Everybodies US arms come with US Control.

Turkey is one country that may readily help and there is ofcourse China.
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X Posted from the “ISI - History and Discussions” thread.

Green on Green Intra-Mohammadden religion motivated attack on a Mohammadden shrine in Sargodha Cantonment results among others in a Uniformed Jihadi of Brigadier rank getting killed by his Un-uniformed co-religionists. The Uniformed Jihadi, one Brigadier Fazal Rabbani was taking part in a hymn singing session at a Mohammadden shrine run by his brother one Fazal Qadri when it was stormed by Un-uniformed Jihadi’s who shot up the shrine which was having a post evening prayer hymn singing session.

The close familial relationship between members of the Mohammadden religious elite and the Military elite in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan is an interesting data point.:

Senior army official among two shot dead in Sargodha attack

Meanwhile twitter feed of Lahore based Express Tribune Journalist Asad Kharal reports that the Uniformed Jihadi of Brigadier rank who was shot dead was one Zahoor Fazal Qadri and was presently serving with the Pakistan Military’s notorious terrorist fomenting intelligence arm, the Inter-Services Intelligence Directorate aka ISID aka ISI :
Army Brigdr Zahoor Qadri serving in #ISI among 2 shot dead,while 6 othrs injurd when armed men stormed Darbar Astana Fazal in Sargodha Cantt
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Added later:

“The New”s is also reporting link of the Brigadier to “an agency” of the intelligence variety:

Intelligence officer among three shot dead in Sarogodha firing
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X Posted from the STFUP thread.


Pakistani Navy man jumps off Pakistani naval ship PNS Nasr that is taking part in Exercise Kakadu 2014 and tries to sneak into Australia :

Sailor travelling on Pakistani Navy vessel jumps ship off Darwin, reaches mainland
A Pakistani man travelling on a Navy vessel that was part of war games off the coast of Darwin appears to have jumped ship and was last seen hiding in bushes on the mainland. …………….

"A backpack was found in the water which would indicate that the person leaving the ship did know what he was doing at the time and didn't simply fall off the ship," Superintendent Burgoyne said.

He said the man was spotted on the mainland in a fairly remote area by a caretaker from a local YMCA.

"He was described as skulking in the bushes, so one can work out from that, probably he didn't want to be found," Superintendent Burgoyne said.

He said the waters the man swam through to get to the mainland were known as a crocodile habitat.

"This person is probably lucky that he didn't come across one (crocodile) when he was in the water," Supt Burgoyne said. …………………
The Australians are lucky that this seems to be sparsely populated area with only crocodiles lurking about as Pakistani Navy Men are criminal prone on foreign shores as was evidenced by the case with the sailor off PNS Tippu Sultan who forcibly kissed a 14 year old girl child on the mouth in New York’s Central park back in May 2005:

Pakistani Sailor In Town For Fleet Week Accused Of Forcing Kiss On Teen

Then again personnel of the Pakistan Navy jumping ship is not unheard of as in the case of 10 Pakistani naval personnel doing the bunk in Tokyo in 2007:.

10 Pakistani Navy sailors go AWOL during rare Tokyo goodwill port call
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As the PN moves its assets away from Karachi.,just as the IN has developed Karwar as its main base for the future,it will be more difficult to conduct offensive operations.However,the move to base its subs at Pasni,away from Karachi makes them less susceptible to attack from jihadi elements.But given the conditions in Pak,wherever they locate their assets,the jihadis will follow.

New Air Base Continues Pakistan Navy's Move From Karachi
Sep. 4, 2014 |
By USMAN ANSARI
http://www.defensenews.com/article/2014 ... om-Karachi
Pakistan's establishment of new airbases such as PNS Siddique in the southwest is part of a move away from bases in crowded Karachi, where an attack on the Mehran Naval Air Base destroyed this new P-3C Orion patrol aircraft in 2011. (Rizwan Tabassum/AFP)

ISLAMABAD — The Pakistani Navy this week commissioned a new air base intended to move its air assets away from the vulnerable and congested city of Karachi, and to help protect the coast and Pakistan’s maritime territory.

The new PNS Siddique Naval Air Base is in Turbat in the southwest province of Balochistan, near the strategic new deepwater port of Gwadar and to the Iranian border. Chief of Naval Staff Adm. Muhammad Asif Sandila was the chief guest at a ceremony Wednesday that marked the base’s official opening.

According to the Associated Press of Pakistan (APP), “The Aviation Base will strengthen seaward security along the Makran coast and beyond and will also lead to commercial flying activities, which would act as a catalyst for economic development of the Makran division in general and Kech District in particular.”

The Navy would not comment on what type of aircraft would be based there.

However, the consensus among analysts is that they are likely to be rotary and fixed-wing patrol types, and at present, at least, this may be all the base is able to support.

Analyst Kaiser Tufail, a former air commodore with the Pakistani Air Force, said PNS Siddique is currently unsuitable to base strike aircraft as it is “too far to pay a visit to our neighbors [India].” He noted, however, that Pasni, an air base shared by the Air Force and Navy, is “just 70 kilometers from Turbat.


There have been security concerns about the Navy’s aircraft since the May 2011 attack on PNS Mehran Naval Air Base in Karachi that destroyed a number of aircraft, including two new P-3C Orion patrol planes.

The Navy’s Orions are now based in Pasni, but any remaining naval aircraft in Mehran “must get out,” said analyst Brian Cloughley, a former Australian defense attaché to Islamabad.

Enveloped by urban sprawl, Mehran is difficult to defend. Until it was hidden by stacked shipping containers, the apron at Mehran was visible from a flyover on the road just outside the base.

Though the new base is far safer than Mehran, it is nevertheless “somewhere else to have to guard,” Cloughley said.

However, PNS Siddique will also be another instrument of the Navy’s successful civilian outreach program, like its presence in the port of Ormara. In April the Navy shifted the bulk of its operational fleet, including it submarines, from the congested and polluted port of Karachi to Jinnah Naval Base in Ormara. The development of Jinnah Naval Base has led to considerable benefits for the local population.

Likewise, “facilities such as state-of-the-art hospital, education institution, etc., at PNS Siddique will enable the local populace access to quality services at their doorstep and set off a new era of prosperity in the region,” according to the APP report. ■
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Mosque_Seizure

Check out the Belligerents section and the commander and leaders section
You will find the the name of a young energetic commander..... surprise surprise

Perhaps this helps more to explain the relationship between our neighbours and the Saudis.
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Wow.. .looks like the new Al-Qaeda terrorists.. actually took control of PNS Zulfiqar... after infiltrating Karachi Dockyard----

disturbing trend--- given how congested Mumbai Port is--- we can't afford to let our guards down along the coastlines, air-bases and navy bases...

http://news.yahoo.com/al-qaeda-wing-sou ... 49249.html
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