Pakistan arms sales, ops, doctrine, etc

member_20067 · Post by **member_20067** » 02 Jul 2015 19:35

http://www.dawn.com/news/1191874/12-die ... gujranwala

12 die as train carrying army men falls into canal near Gujranwala

Hobbes · Post by **Hobbes** » 03 Jul 2015 07:17

Could India's Military Really Crush Pakistan?

Draw your own conclusions.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 03 Jul 2015 07:41

Hobbes wrote:Could India's Military Really Crush Pakistan?

Draw your own conclusions.

Actually I have not yet read the article, but it's a pity no one asked me.

The answer is "No" The military cannot crush Pakistan.

It is a stupid rhetorical tile- Pakistan is not an orange or lemon to be "crushed". On another note see how we as Indians cheerfully accept that people can be "crushed" and accept the word "dalit" meaning crushed. Another rhetorical bit of nonsense that has come into common usage

Does anyone recommend that I read the article or would I be wasting a few seconds of my life?

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 04 Jul 2015 05:41

This is a waste article.

This article is to get attention to Pa k ist an. Some rhetoric and some BS explanation

But these articles are regular now to give the audience what is happening

The target audience is a set of nations or handlers who are watching how this game will move in the future and find out if there is any imbalance in the context

P ak is in its own world of reality and grievances. It is paranoid and is seeking all it can get from PRC and others.
Spoiled child syndrome

member_20067 · Post by **member_20067** » 04 Jul 2015 19:00

Pakistani commentator Zaid Hamid sentenced to prison, lashing in Saudi Arabia

Hamid criticised Saudi’s military campaign in Yemen

ha ha ha ...very funny...--- the pakis netizens have started smelling a new axis between Yinduus, Saudies and Jews

http://gulfnews.com/news/gulf/saudi-ara ... -1.1545104

arun · Post by **arun** » 06 Jul 2015 06:17

X Posted from the STFUP thread.

Retaliation against provocations from the Islamic Republic of Pakistan:

Indian troops again resort to unprovoked firing in Charwah sector

Likely attempt by the Uniformed Jihadi’s of the security forces of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan to distract our Military’s operation against Un-uniformed Mohammadden Terrorists who have infiltrated into India:

Army Operation along LoC Enters Third Day

India is off course not the only one of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s neighbours over the past six days or so who have felt it necessary to respond firmly to provocations by the Islamic Republic of Pakistan:

Border violation: Iran fires mortars into Panjgur

Border violation: Iranian forces fire shells into Panjgur again

Cross-border attack injures 2 Pakistani soldiers in Angoor Adda

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 07 Jul 2015 11:44

Pakistan's New Military Budget: By the Numbers

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 08 Jul 2015 11:28

Two Videos of JF-17 from Paris Air Show via AIN

PAC/Chengdu JF-17 Thunder Flies over Paris Air Show 2015 – AINtv Express

Budget Fighter PAC/Chengdu JF-17 Thunder Turns Heads at Paris Air Show 2015 – AINtv

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 08 Jul 2015 12:22

The second video has interview with the pilot , he talks of T:W ratio of 1.09 for the aircraft

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 08 Jul 2015 12:23

Prithwiraj wrote:
Pakistani commentator Zaid Hamid sentenced to prison, lashing in Saudi Arabia

Hamid criticised Saudi’s military campaign in Yemen

ha ha ha ...very funny...--- the pakis netizens have started smelling a new axis between Yinduus, Saudies and Jews

http://gulfnews.com/news/gulf/saudi-ara ... -1.1545104

Hahahah , His Post Saudi lashing world view would be interesting to hear

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 12 Jul 2015 10:48

Russia to sell four Mi-35M combat helicopters to Pakistan

Russia has sent Pakistan a draft contract on the delivery of four Mil Mi-35M combat helicopters, according to a source in the Russian system of military and technical cooperation.

"Following the results of the talks held earlier on helicopters, which Pakistan would like to get from Russia, a draft contract on the delivery of four Mi-35M gunships has been sent to the Pakistani side. Pakistan is now studying the document," TASS news agency quoted the source as saying on Wednesday.

arun · Post by **arun** » 12 Jul 2015 11:30

X Posted from the “Pashtun Civil War” thread.

The “Jihad in the Path of Allah” or “Jihad Fi Sabilliah” part of motto of “Faith, Piety, Jihad In the Path of Allah” or “Iman Taqwa Jihad Fi Sabilillah” of the Punjabi dominated Pakistan Army, in action.

Green on Green Intra-Mohammadden Ramadan month violence as Uniformed Jihadi’s of the majority Punjabi dominated Military take on the Un-uniformed minority Pathan Jihadi’s of the TTP in the battle to determine who among them are entitled to be the “More Pure” in the “Land of the Pure” aka the Islamic Republic of Pakistan:

4 soldiers, 9 militants dead in Waziristan op

member_27581 · Post by **member_27581** » 12 Jul 2015 12:43

There is a reason why it is said "dont bite the hand that feeds you". Anyways it was long overdue for this genius

Austin wrote:
Prithwiraj wrote:
Pakistani commentator Zaid Hamid sentenced to prison, lashing in Saudi Arabia

Hamid criticised Saudi’s military campaign in Yemen

ha ha ha ...very funny...--- the pakis netizens have started smelling a new axis between Yinduus, Saudies and Jews

http://gulfnews.com/news/gulf/saudi-ara ... -1.1545104
Hahahah , His Post Saudi lashing world view would be interesting to hear

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 14 Jul 2015 22:44

Pakistan Expands Lockheed Martin Sniper Advanced Targeting Pod Fleet

ORLANDO, Fla., July 14, 2015 /PRNewswire/ -- Lockheed Martin LMT, +0.80% received a follow-on foreign military sale contract to produce and upgrade Sniper® Advanced Targeting Pods (ATP) for the Pakistan Air Force's F-16 fleet. The contract includes the production of 15 Sniper ATPs and upgrades to the Pakistan Air Force's existing 22 Sniper ATPs.

To meet the Pakistan Air Force's urgent operational need, pod deliveries will begin in late 2015. Upgrades, which will increase compatibility with the aircraft and enable enhanced features, will also begin in late 2015.

"Sniper ATP has supported the Pakistan Air Force's mission since 2010," said Rich Lovette, Sniper international program director at Lockheed Martin Missiles and Fire Control. "Additional Sniper ATPs and upgrades will give the Pakistan Air Force a more robust precision targeting capability to support the nation's security requirements."

Sniper ATP provides pilots high-resolution imagery for precision targeting, surveillance and reconnaissance missions. Sniper ATP detects, identifies, automatically tracks and laser designates small tactical targets at long ranges. It also supports employment of all laser and GPS-guided weapons against multiple fixed and moving targets.

Sniper ATP is interoperable across multiple platforms, including U.S. Air Force and multi-national F-15, F-16, F-18, A-10, B-1 and B-52 aircraft.

For additional information, visit our website: www.lockheedmartin.com/sniper.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 15 Jul 2015 07:54

We need to note that the Pakistan Air Force now probably has more experience in deploying and using Paveway guided bombs and using data from remote sensors like Sniper in actual combat operational flying than the IAF. This will be used against us.

rkhanna · Post by **rkhanna** » 15 Jul 2015 09:43

^^ Not to mention running combined arm's combat operations Involving Armour, Art, fixed/Rotary wing, Infantry, SF for nearly 6 years now.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 15 Jul 2015 09:56

Sniper ATP provides pilots high-resolution imagery for precision targeting, surveillance and reconnaissance missions. Sniper ATP detects, identifies, automatically tracks and laser designates small tactical targets at long ranges. It also supports employment of all laser and GPS-guided weapons against multiple fixed and moving targets.

How does Sniper ATP supports GPS guided weapons ?

rohitvats · Post by **rohitvats** » 15 Jul 2015 09:58

rkhanna wrote:^^ Not to mention running combined arm's combat operations Involving Armour, Art, fixed/Rotary wing, Infantry, SF for nearly 6 years now.

Errr....what?

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 15 Jul 2015 10:17

I guess they are speaking of various zam zam operations in FATA.

member_22539 · Post by **member_22539** » 15 Jul 2015 10:18

^I pity the pigs who think fighting India is like fighting piglets.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 15 Jul 2015 10:22

^ but still a hard fighting core will be there, not all flab. operational processes will be worked out and smoother than a fully undeployed army

member_22539 · Post by **member_22539** » 15 Jul 2015 11:25

^Like the chinese?

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 15 Jul 2015 11:42

Checking LM Sniper pod link

http://www.lockheedmartin.com/us/products/Sniper.html

Seems compared to our Lightening Pod its got a video data link and something interesing called J series weapons co-ordinate

Superior imagery, a video datalink, and J-series weapons-quality coordinates enhance the warfighter’s ability to rapidly detect and analyze air and ground targets while keeping aircrews out of threat ranges.

Whats a J Series Weapons quality coordinates ?

Some of the videos in the Download section of link gives good insight into Sniper capabilities , Quite good video.

Note how it track a high speed F-16 in low level flight, from another aircraft

http://www.lockheedmartin.com/content/d ... eo-01.mpeg

rkhanna · Post by **rkhanna** » 15 Jul 2015 16:00

Errr....what?

Exactly what i Said. The PA / Para Mils/ SF/ AF now have had a LONG duration of time under Combat Fighting / Communicating together. Its not a question of Quality of opponent. Its a simple matter of the Time they have spent at it.

I pity the pigs who think fighting India is like fighting piglets.

Ofcourse not. But whats the point of the statement here? Still we need to recognize that The opponents that the PA is fighting comes with an integral core of the Haqqani network. Whether we like it or not they have been probably the most proficient light infantry opposition the Americans faced in Astan. While no Indian Army, fighting them is building up PA's combat proficiency, which till 2009 was pretty much non-existent.

So now we have an enemy military that has tested and refined their C&C and has a decent amount of Combat Experience under its belt.

^Like the chinese?

What a Random thing to say.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 15 Jul 2015 16:29

i think it can get its own position from INS/GPS whether internal or mother aircraft, know where the laser is pointing and deduce the co-ordinates of the lased target to feed to JDAM weapons just before release.....the ac then no longer needs to keep lasing the target and can exit the area safely....the JDAM will hit the programmed location. this is OK against non-moving targets which is the vast majority of targets. I would imagine this is how JDAM is used on tactical missions as nobody knows where targets could be by the time a/c gets onsite. for special missions the JDAM might be programmed with the known co-ordinates of targets before the aircraft gets airborne.

i think F-18 had also demoed mid course updates to J-series weapons to change their impact point on the fly after release. not sure if its fielded capability yet.

member_22539 · Post by **member_22539** » 15 Jul 2015 17:06

rkhanna wrote:
^Like the chinese?
What a Random thing to say.

I'm not trying to be confrontational, but what do you mean by that? I was questioning the combat experience of the PLA (or rather the chinese army these days), since it has been in no major conflict/insurgency since its war with Vietnam. Meanwhile, there has been a generational shift in the demographics as well as equipment. Also, there has been a monumental shift in doctrine (like giving up the human wave attacks in favor of more western tactics). So, how is asking about any of this random?

rkhanna · Post by **rkhanna** » 15 Jul 2015 17:35

I'm not trying to be confrontational, but what do you mean by that? I was questioning the combat experience of the PLA (or rather the chinese army these days), since it has been in no major conflict/insurgency since its war with Vietnam. Meanwhile, there has been a generational shift in the demographics as well as equipment. Also, there has been a monumental shift in doctrine (like giving up the human wave attacks in favor of more western tactics). So, how is asking about any of this random?

Apologies completely Misunderstood what your statement was in reference too (hazard of quick reading and typing while at work) . And on the contrary completely agree with you.

Old saying. A Combat Ready Unit rarely passed Inspection and an Inspection Ready Unit was rarely combat ready. The PLA/PLAAF nor its equipment has been tested since Vietnam. Not to mention their Quality of Top Leadership has a big question mark.

Bhaskar_T · Post by **Bhaskar_T** » 15 Jul 2015 19:45

No TV Media - covering this. No Mayhem here

Pakistan shoots down Indian spy drone along the LoC in Bhimber. Islamabad: Pakistan Army on Wednesday claimed to have shot down an Indian "spy" drone which it alleged was being used for aerial photography near the Line of Control.
The Inter Services Public Relations (ISPR), in a brief statement, said the Indian drone was brought down near the Line of Control in Bhimber area of Pakistan occupied Kashmir.

IBN - http://www.ibnlive.com/news/india/pakis ... 20860.html

TOI - http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 085976.cms

NEW DELHI: The Indian military today denied the Pakistan army's claims of shooting down an Indian "spy" drone.

"Some reports of a drone crash in POK (Pakistan Occupied Kashmir) are being referred to. No drone or UAV crash of Indian Army has taken place," the defence ministry said in a statement. The army's Northern Command has also issued a denial.

NDTV - http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/army-den ... one-781831

Bhaskar_T · Post by **Bhaskar_T** » 15 Jul 2015 19:50

Does Indian army use quad-raptor drones? Aren't these for smaller civilian usage and most probably cannot fly much up.

Hence, may I infer that these is indeed not an Indian Military Drone?

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 15 Jul 2015 19:58

see http://www.dji.com/product/phantom-2

these are used in India for festive events, e.g wedding photography and the like.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 15 Jul 2015 20:14

http://www.lockheedmartin.com/content/d ... per-pc.pdf
does anyone know the range of these targeting pods that the paki f-solahs are getting now?

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 15 Jul 2015 20:18

Its not an army drone but probably it might belong to RAW or IB since this is civilian drone type

See no reason why a civilian would use such drone along LOC , our own forces wont like it.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 15 Jul 2015 20:39

austin, those orgs should have access to far better toys for them to bother with 1-2 km ranged hobby craft.

http://indianexpress.com/article/india/ ... attisgarh/

like I said, these are widely used in the delhi farmhouse marriage party circuit and arent good for much besides.

there are 2 possibilities here :
a) some enthusiast got a tad too excited and wanted to check out the pakis across the border
or
b) ISPR tactical brilliance, as usual.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 15 Jul 2015 20:42

Austin wrote:Its not an army drone but probably it might belong to RAW or IB since this is civilian drone type

See no reason why a civilian would use such drone along LOC , our own forces wont like it.

Check the TSP thread. Its operated by Pak police themselves. Looks like they shot down their own drones and are happy about it.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 15 Jul 2015 20:47

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 15 Jul 2015 20:53

Good One

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 15 Jul 2015 21:26

To be fair, Paki experience with Paveway and targeting is in the absence of any anti-aircraft measures. But at least they will know which buttons to press

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 15 Jul 2015 22:53

max 2km range onlee.. so the remote kantrol aaaparator shud be near by the shooter in the game.

https://www.dronesmadeeasy.com/phantom- ... click=2322

btw, this is the latest version onlee..

Indranil · Post by **Indranil** » 15 Jul 2015 23:47

That statement (of shooting down an Indian reconnaissance UAV) is for moulding public opinion. They are trying to deviate the focus from the cross border firing where Indian civilians were killed.

A military enthusiast will look at it and say that it's a toy.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 16 Jul 2015 07:49

Zaid Hamid joins ANP
http://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/2015/07 ... joins-anp/

The charismatic speaker, with a considerable following in Pakistan, was speaking to reporters in a break between being lashed on his back and gluteus maximus.

I believe his constipated smile - in the link above - is after he got bush whacked on his gluteus maximus (relief that it is over)...