Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XIII

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Singha wrote:interviewer to Ahuja sir: whats your prediction for the fight?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1TxiVhrkZA
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AYNI MILITARY AIRBASE
DUSHANBE, TAJIKISTAN
11TH MARCH + 1300 HRS


“Roger tower, Tusker-two is on finals.”

Brigadier Thomas overheard the radio traffic from the cockpit via the headphones. As the air-force crew up in the cabin ahead brought the C-17 on final approach to the runway, he heard the flaps lowering and the whistling rumble of the engines distinctly becoming louder. The aircraft shuddered a few seconds later as the rear undercarriage of the aircraft began rolling. The cabin lowered a bit as the front nose-wheel touched and the four engines went into full reverse thrust. The deceleration was significant and Thomas was pushed against the other soldiers sitting inside as the aircraft quickly ate up its forward momentum. A minute after that they were rolling down the taxiway.

Thomas smiled a bit as he wondered why this experience was so new to him.

First time on the C-17…a voice said to him. And he found himself asking why he had never gotten around to doing that before. The Indian Air-Force had originally used the C-17s in live operations during the war with China three years ago. They had been involved alongside the venerable Il-76MDs in hauling cargo and equipment from major airbases in northern and central India to frontline airbases in Laddakh and the east. They had even participated alongside the No. 44 Squadron Il-76s in the Para-drop of Thomas’s former unit over the Chumbi valley in the final days of that war.

After the war, the utility of the Boeing C-17 Globemaster and the follow on orders had been quick to follow. The IAF now operated a total of sixteen C-17s out of Hindon and Nagpur airbases while the remaining handful of operational Il-76s were now solely under No. 25 Squadron at Chandigarh. The war had sapped the life out of the IAF transport fleet. Especially the legacy Russian aircraft already long in the tooth. More than two weeks of continuous intensive operations had absorbed the majority of the remaining flight hours and spares for not just the Il-76s but also the An-32s. The latter were now being supplanted with more C-130Js following the end of the war and in the last two years the Hercules force numbered at eighteen aircraft. A far cry from the six available to the force during the war.

But back then Thomas had stuck with the Il-76 as his aircraft to jump out of over the Chumbi valley. It had been familiar to him. Everything felt as though he had done it a hundred times over. Right down to the smell of the airframe metal!

Three years on, he could see the utility of the Globemaster force in Indian colors. Between the Hercules and these aircraft, the IAF strategic transport fleet had become one of the largest in Asia outside of the USAF. And more to the point, it allowed New-Delhi to do the kind of action that Thomas now found himself involved in…

The aircraft halted on the tarmac and everybody inside the cabin began unbuckling themselves, Thomas included. The air-force warrant-officer walked past their seats while speaking into his headphone speaker, pressed close to his mouth with one hand. Thomas heard the rumble a few moments later as the rear ramp of the aircraft began lowering and the bright sunlight of Tajikistan rushed in, making him squint for a brief moment. The sun was reflecting off the concrete tarmac and lighting up the cavernous interior of the fully packed cabin of the C-17.

Thomas had to walk past the stacks of equipment and supplies stored inside the aircraft as he and his fellow Army officers walked past towards the rear of the aircraft. The warrant-officer walked off the ramp and was checking the sides of the aircraft when Thomas stepped off, looking around the place.

Ayni was as busy as ever. But not with Tajik military activity but with the US forces. Thomas heard the cacophony of aircraft noises as a USAF C-17 rolled down the taxiway to the end of the runway. Another such aircraft was parked alongside the Indian one, with forklifts rolling on the tarmac taking packed equipment to the rear bays of the aircraft. Thomas also saw three US Army Blackhawk helicopters dismantled and ready to be shipped on board the USAF aircraft out of Tajikistan. The activity amongst the US soldiers and airmen at the base was hectic bur organized…

“Yes. They are not waiting around,” a voice said near to Thomas.
He turned and saw Air-Vice-Marshal Verma walking up to him in his blue air-force uniform. Thomas smiled and saluted, which Verma returned.
“Their war is over in Afghanistan,” Thomas nodded over to the parked Blackhawks, which were especially well kitted out compared to the standard versions of that type. “Special Forces?”

“About the only units that stayed here to help train the Tajiks,” Verma replied, “but even that is coming to an end now. Come on.” He waved Thomas over as both men began walking towards the terminal building, filled with US Army soldiers with their backpacks stowed, sitting on the ground while their rides out of the country were being arranged…

But while the US forces were leaving the country, the Indian military training team was only now beginning to arrive.

The war with China had opened other options for New-Delhi. Despite Beijing’s denials, the world had seen their war in the Himalayas and the defeat inflicted by the Indians in the mountains. The two Divisions that had surrendered to Thomas’s paratroopers had returned about six months after the war had ended, providing ample opportunity for the world’s media to present their faces to the world. And while it almost certainly doomed these men upon their arrival back home, the world had absorbed the true scale of what had happened. And New-Delhi’s prestige had grown. Especially in Asia and somewhat more in states like Mongolia and Tajikistan that also shared borders with remote regions of China.

Specifically in Tajikistan, with the US forces withdrawing from Afghanistan and the increasingly belligerent Taliban forces to the south, the situation had worsened significantly. The Badakhshan mountains in eastern Tajikistan offered a clear route to the vulnerable western regions of Xinjiang to the Mujahedeen warriors intent on taking their fight to what they perceived to be weakened Chinese control following the war with India. These Islamic radicals were riding high on their confidence with the withdrawal of US forces from the region and the virtual collapse of the Kabul government over the last year. Borders really meant little to them in these mountains of the Hindu Kush and Badakhshan…

Of course, that is where New-Delhi got involved. Ever since Islamic militant violence had begun gripping the region around Kashgar, many within the Indian establishment had suggested that the situation should be allowed to fester, sapping Chinese strength and keeping their attention away from the defeat against India. This also suited the Pakistan policy of the government since Indian presence in Tajikistan had been deemed as destabilizing the peace talks between the two countries.
The Mujahedeen had other ideas, however.

With their ever increasing presence in the Badakhshan mountains, the Tajik control over the region was destabilizing. The US assistance to training the Tajik ground forces had proven insufficient and Pakistan was taking every effort in routing the holy warriors towards Xinjiang via Tajikistan in order to relieve pressure on its northern frontier regions. Many of these Mujahedeen forces within the southeastern Badakhshan region were also spilling over into Pakistan controlled Kashmir as they prepared to divert attention to India at some point in the future. The Indian Aerospace Command Satellites had spotted what were clearly supply depots dotting the mountains on the routes between Gilgit and Badakhshan over the past few weeks.

Needless to say, this could not be allowed to continue and General Potgam, promoted as the Indian Army commander in early February had quickly moved on this problem. He had coerced the Prime-Minister into releasing more funds and resources to building up the Tajik forces and government control in the Badakhshan region. This had been something the Dushanbe government had been begging for over two years after the end of the war with China. But in the immediate aftermath of the war there was little interest in New-Delhi for more aggressive action in far off regions when so much rebuilding and reorganizing remained to be done on the home front. General Potgam had realized quickly enough what an utter oversight that had been. Soon after he and Ravoof had convinced the PM to pay attention to the Tajikistan situation, he had called up Brigadier Thomas from his post as the deputy commander of SOCOM operations to make a trip to Tajikistan and ascertain how bad the situation really was…

“How are the Tajiks holding to the east?” Thomas asked as he and Verma walked past a parked BTR wheeled armored-personnel-carrier of the Tajik military. He saw the handful of Tajik army soldiers relaxing under the vehicle and playing cards and shook his head. Verma’s answer was pretty much what he was expecting: a grunt.
“There is no Tajik military presence out there!” Verma said as they got into the car waiting to take them to the newly built-up Indian embassy in Dushanbe, a dozen kilometers away. “As our American friends would say: it’s the wild-west out there. The Mujahids are in virtual control of the mountains.”

“So what the hell are we supposed to do then?” Thomas asked with a raised eyebrow.

“For now,” Verma said as he leaned into his seat as the vehicle convoy drove off, “we are focusing on gathering intelligence on both the Jihadis as well as the PLA light-infantry units deploying southwest of Kashgar. They are moving in hard and heavy against the Islamic threat to their border regions.”

“Wencang doesn’t fool around, does he?” Thomas said offhandedly. But it was true. General Wencang had established solid military control over China over the past three years. Only recently had the newly reorganized politburo taken over control of the country. Even then, he had been pulled back into the loop as Defense-Minister and official commander of all Chinese military forces and operations. More to the point, the man was an open minded, yet ruthless, military professional. He was by no means a communist zealot and certainly not clouded by ideology in his pursuit of effectiveness and lethality within the Chinese military. He had culled from its ranks the party loyals, the incompetent and the corrupt and had brought in consummate professionals like General Chen as commander of the air-force. The recently promoted Lieutenant-General Feng had taken over the Lanzhou-Chengdu unified-MRAF: a name harking back to the previous war that still gave the Indian air-force planners the chills.

The Islamic extremism problem in Xinjiang was likely to be the proving ground for a lot of their command-and-control improvements and the Indian military knew this. It was yet another reason to keep an eye on things in the region…

“No he certainly does not,” Verma replied after a few seconds. “At this point, looking at how the Tajik government control to the east is crumbling, I am not sure whether we should hope that Wencang takes care of this problem or that it consumes him. If he does take care of the problem efficiently, he’s likely to turn back to us with a bone to pick.”
“And if he doesn’t,” Thomas concluded, “the region becomes a breeding ground for the bearded warriors and the Badakhshan-Kashgar axis reorients itself south, towards Kashmir. Those are our only two choices?”

Verma laughed grimly. “That is the deck of cards we have been dealt, my friend.”

Thomas mumbled some adjectives and looked at the brown-white mountains visible to the southeast: the starting point of the Badakhshan region. Verma looked at him glancing thoughtfully out of the side-glass.

“Yup. Welcome to Tajikistan.”
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IMHO, US presence in Afghanistan is the tiger it can't dismount. India-China war will destablise the region even further as alluded, making it even more difficult for a military withdrawal. If it's happening then it means that US economy and quite probably the world's has tanked for some reason. Russia wouldn't be sitting idle with so much going on on their borders. Chechenya should also be in flames .
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Vivekji

Is there any email address I can reach you at? Can you pls drop me a line at ramay dot BRF at google mail ?
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Vivek....You Rock!

thanks.
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vivek_ahuja wrote:
chaanakya wrote:As long as they have or you have not picked one , the option to suggest names is open.
Absolutely. :)

"Not A Blade of Grass"

Hope I don't get thrashed.
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So what would be shopping list for us after previous war?

1. Accelerate the production of Brahmos missiles?
2. S-400 or S-500 from Russkies, seeing thier effectiveness for chinese.
3. Deployment of Arjuns in NE.
4. F-777 light howitzer's induction in full swing.
5. Prahaars / Pinakas
6. Ordering the filling up of MKIs number due to attrition.
7. LCAs are inducted by now, so they too will see action probably surprise the world like Mig 21s did the USAF's f-15 pilots.
8. LCHs and Rudras.
9. New policy of going for more nuke warheads???
10. New policy of higher production of Prithvis, Agnis and Shauryas as lesson learned of BMs usefulness in conventional roles.
11. Arihant 2 ???
12. Astras for MKIs and Tejas.
14. Sudarshan and other pgms ordered in numbers as desired by Singha ji?
15. A squadron of Rafale inducted?
16. C 27s OR C 295s being inducted?
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^ dhimmis of India, starting with PM.
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RamaY wrote:Is there any email address I can reach you at? Can you pls drop me a line at ramay dot BRF at google mail ?
RamaY, sent you an email. Pliss to check.

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jahaju wrote:"Not A Blade of Grass"
Hope I don't get thrashed.
Not at all. Always open to ideas and suggestions.
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WEST OF THE TOWN OF TASHKURGAN
CHINESE BORDER WITH TAJIKISTAN
17TH MARCH + 0630 HRS


Captain Wenji checked his watch after seeing the dark reddish skies becoming lighter, silhouetting the mountains to the east. He yawned and walked back to his office inside the armed-police headquarters. Closing the door behind him, he removed his uniform coat and hung it from the back of the door before walking over to his desk to see the documents and communiqués that had come in over the night. His communications people on the night-shift would normally leave the non-priority messages on his desk prior to leaving for their sleep. And today was no different.

Wenji picked up the top most paper on the pile and glanced through the contents. He grunted and nodded as he reached the bottom of that page. The first elements of the rapid reaction brigade of the 6TH Motorized Infantry Division would be transiting through the town in thirty-six hours. Or so the paper said, he reminded himself. In reality, given the mountainous terrain, they might take a bit longer than that. He checked the back page of the document and found nothing suggesting where these forces were going. But that was not hard to guess…

The border with Tajikistan was a mess at the moment. Almost as bad as Beijing’s control over this remote region so far from mainland China. The PLA enforced the rule of law out here in conjunction with the armed police regiments. At any given time the number of PLA Divisions in Xinjiang were far more than required to enforce that not only was there no disruption to Chinese authority from the local population, but also that the borders with the central Asian nations to the west remained sealed. This had crippled all resistance to Chinese authority in the region over the decades.

More or less…Wenji reminded himself as he put the paper away and picked up the stack of cigarettes laying on the table.

Yes. There had been no major resistance for quite a few years. But that status quo had changed with the war against India three years ago and the US withdrawal from Afghanistan and Tajikistan with handover to the local allied forces. The “local allied forces”, of course, meant the Afghan National Army and the Tajik forces in conjunction with the Russian forces in Tajikistan. And they hadn’t held up against the resurgent Taliban forces assisted in their jihad by tacit Pakistanis support.

So following the war with India, the local PLA Divisions in Xinjiang had been mauled by deadly combat in the Laddakh mountains against the Indian Army and Afghanistan and Tajikistan were teetering on their edge. This weakened state of the national governments in the region had provided the exact breeding ground for the Mujahedeen to begin taking their fight back to the Kashmir and India, but also north against Russia and east to Xinjiang…

Wenji knew from personal experience over the last two years what and who he was up against in the mountains west from the town. The attacks had started roughly a year after the war with India ended. First there were the smaller ambushes and raids against the far flung PLA posts in the mountains near the Tajik border. To this Wenji’s parent force, the 7TH Division of the People’s Armed Police (7TH PAPD), had responded by sending out more patrols and reinforcing these remote border posts. That hadn’t helped. The jihadists had come back with an ever larger force every time they had been beaten back. Casualties had been inflicted on both sides in the initial months of these operations. And for the most part, the PLA regional commanders felt that these attacks were contained to the border.

Well, that estimate turned out wrong…Wenji grunted again as he let out a puff of smoke from the lit cigarette and walked to the window overlooking the mountains to the east and first rays of sunlight penetrating the valley.

The Mujahedeen had changed tactics soon thereafter and moved away from frontal attacks against these border posts to what had worked effectively in the past: improvised roadside explosives and hit-and-run ambushes against soft convoys moving along Highway-314 that moved in this valley through the town on the way south to Pakistan.

And these tactics had made the enemy hard to find and forced the 7TH Division to spread out its forces to strategic points along the highway. They had been like this for months now. And the situation was tenuous. These mountains were soaking up Wenji’s men and equipment trying to protect every single avenue to the town whilst also protecting convoys on the highway moving north to Kashgar. He needed more men and equipment.

But help was not easy to provide, as he had been told once too many times by his regiment commander. Following the war with India, the PLA forces in the region had spent months licking their wounds. Whole brigades had been decimated in the fighting in the Laddakh mountains and entire columns of vehicles had been hit and destroyed between there and Kashgar. Wenji remembered this well. He had just arrived for his posting here at Tashkurgan when the war with India had been raging in full flow. He had heard the thunder of jets above the town and had even seen a few times the aircraft streaking above the peaks. Kashgar airport had been hit during the war, and that was something he knew only too well. His colleagues had been in Kashgar and had spent time helping the PLAAF garrison there in cleaning up after the attacks. He had heard through them the devastation caused by the attacks.

And then there were other ways he heard about the war as well. Columns of tanks and armored vehicles had moved down this very road to the south during the war. He had never been told where they were going or even coming from, but then again, a young lieutenant was almost always at the bottom of the barrel in the PLA as in every other army in the world. He was only told what should concern him. And the decision on what should concern him was not left up to him. But he had kept his eyes and ears open. He had seen the long columns of trucks carrying wounded men back to the north. Many had even been admitted into the hospitals here. He had visited the hospital once, and had been horrified to see the wounds, the blood and the missing limbs of the men being driven in from the south. He had almost thrown up at the sight and had left the hospital in a hurry.

He sighed as the memory of that day came back to him.
Three years…he thought as he crushed the cigarette stub into the ashtray on the desk. Might as well have been yesterday!

Today he was a Captain and had seen combat of very different kind than his brethren within the army. To all the horror and chaos of that war with India, there had been some brutal order to the killings and the destruction. Some sense of…honor, perhaps?

Honor. He scowled. There was no ‘honor’ in that hospital ward!

But it was something resembling that, he admitted to himself with a slight nod. Compared with fighting the Mujahedeen, it had certainly been honorable…
The first sounds of shots fired from outside the compound rang out in his office and Wenji jerked from his seat hard enough for it to fall back on the concrete floor. He was frozen there for a couple of seconds as his senses tried to understand what had just transpired.

Then another burst erupted and this time was followed by one of his men shouting something. Then there another sustained burst and his trained ears picked up the sounds of Kalashnikov assault-rifles. Then he heard the distant, yet chilling war-cry of the attackers:

Allah-o-Akbar!

We are under attack! He thought to himself and ran around the desk over to the office door just as the gunfire noises erupted all over the compound along with the screams and shouts from his men there. He ran over the office door and outside into the main offices to see his men running about, grabbing rifles from the armory just somebody shouted a warning and an explosion ripped through one of the distant walls of the compound, filling the compound inside with a cloud of dust and smoke…

Wenji ran over to the armory and saw his abruptly awoken men still in their civilian dresses grabbing the QBZ-95 rifles from the wall rack. One of them saw Wenji and tossed him a rifle which he took and picked up three of the ammunition clips from a crate nearby before running out, giving orders to his men to deploy and take cover near the windows and doors.

He ran over to the staircase and up the stairs to the flat roof of the administration building followed by a two more of his men. The first rays of sunlight were lighting up the valley and the sky above had yet to shed its darkness completely. But the flashes of gunfire were lighting up everything in the compound below. He saw his men running in the compound being mowed down by sustained and heavy burst of rifle fire from the opening created in the concrete compound wall by what he realized was satchel explosives. As two more of his men in the compound below screamed under bullet hits and fell on the dust covered ground, Wenji brought his rifle up to shoulder level and fired three-round bursts towards the location where he had seen the muzzle flashes within the smoke. On his third burst he heard a muffled scream and one of the Mujahedeen fell to the ground, his AK-47 still firing in full automatic mode as he fell, a dead man’s grip on the trigger. His stray bullets took down one of his colleagues running past him and he landed on his face into the dirt, his life already squeezed out before the impact with the ground…

Wenji turned his attention to the side and continued firing bursts along with the rest of his men. Several of the attackers went down under sustained return fire from the Chinese soldiers. Wenji’s ears picked out the volume of fire being exchanged from the noises and realized his men had become organized now and had overcome the element of surprise from the enemy. He turned to face the other two men just as three more of his soldiers ran up the stairs to the roof.

You three!” Wenji shouted at the new arrivals as they looked over to him. “Take the other side!”

He then turned back over the edge but continued giving orders: “Keep firing! I want fire-superiority against the enemy! Leave none of them alive! I…” He stopped midsentence as he saw a Mujahedeen running past the dust and smoke near the hole in the compound wall towards the building. He was not carrying any weapons, however…

A suicide bomber…Wenji realized as he aimed for the man and fired a three round burst. It hit the bearded man in his knees and chest and he fell on his knees, blood pouring out of the corner of his mouth as stay there stunned, looking at Wenji on the roof above. Wenji cursed the weapon he was carrying and its ineffective stopping power against these zealots. He realized that he should have picked up a Kalashnikov instead of the QBZ-95. He looked over the sights of the rifle and saw the murderous zeal in his opponents eyes still there on the ground below. He aimed to fire another round into his chest. But the same split second he pulled the trigger, the holy warrior’s body exploded in a massive explosion, ripping through the compound and the walls of the admin building…

When his eyes opened, Wenji found himself coughing for breath as the dust cleared. He could see rays of sunlight slicing through the dust cloud as a few of his men staggered in the rubble of the building. He found himself dazed and struggling to get on his knees.

But a bloodcurdling cry from one of his men followed by a burst of AK-47 fire that silenced the scream reminded him that they had been overrun. He saw several of the Mujahedeen running past his men, firing bursts of fire at whoever was still moving and taking their weapons, radios and ammunition.

No…Wenji tried to speak but a kick sent in rolling in the rubble below. He turned on his back and saw a bearded Arabic looking face with a Kalashnikov pointed at his face. The man spoke broken Mandarin that he had probably rehearsed for just this moment:

“Listen very carefully to me, Chinese officer,” the man said as he put aside the AK-47 and kneeled next to Wenji. “This is our land. First it was the Russians who fell. Then the Americans. And now its China’s turn to leave these lands to those to whom Allah has given it. I will kill you here today as a reminder to your brothers that this is what awaits them. And if the Chinese army wishes to come here, it will die just like you and your men have done today.”

Wenji tried saying something but only spattered blood from his mouth instead. As other Mujahedeen ran past, carrying the weapons from the other dead Chinese soldiers, both men heard the sounds of helicopters overhead.

“Looks like your comrades have arrived,” the man said as he got up on his feet and looked down at Wenji, still looking dazed and disoriented. “But they are too late.”
He unslung his AK-47 and the last thing Wenji saw was the barrel of the Russian weapon pointed at his face before a single shot ran out and he slumped lifeless into the rubble. The bearded man slung his rifle as he looked at the lifeless body.

“Allah-o-Akbar.” He uttered silently before running back out to join his men as they made their break back towards the mountains to the west.

God was indeed great.
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Manish_Sharma wrote:So what would be shopping list for us after previous war?
17. 1 Squadron of Tu-160M Blackjack bombers for IAF.
18. Naval version (Tu-160R or Tu-160PP) for recon and anti-submarine ops, to replace the Tu-142 Bears.
19. 1 squadron of PAK-DA could be put through to procurement stage?
20. Acquire through lease, more island bases for IN/IAF joint command in IOR
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vivek_ahuja wrote:
“Allah-o-Akbar.” He uttered silently before running back out to join his men as they made their break back towards the mountains to the west.

God was indeed great.

And you are the greatest... Greatest writer.. Your scenarios are just amazing ..

PS: Sir how dos it feels to be praised so much.. I wish i had same kinda talent that u have.. But i will make up by reading your wonderful stories.. :) :)
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Klaus wrote:
Manish_Sharma wrote:So what would be shopping list for us after previous war?
17. 1 Squadron of Tu-160M Blackjack bombers for IAF.
18. Naval version (Tu-160R or Tu-160PP) for recon and anti-submarine ops, to replace the Tu-142 Bears.
19. 1 squadron of PAK-DA could be put through to procurement stage?
20. Acquire through lease, more island bases for IN/IAF joint command in IOR
Thanks Klaus ji, :oops:
How could I've forgotten Blackjacks.
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vivek_ahuja wrote:
jahaju wrote:"Not A Blade of Grass"
Hope I don't get thrashed.
Not at all. Always open to ideas and suggestions.

Thanks
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Ahuja, U Forgot Chapter Dooza,
Kyon Karwa Rahe Ho Pooja
Blue Lable Ki Bottle , Prosciutto Ham Over
Sweet Slices of Fresh Kharbooza.
Perfect Recipe to Gain
Strength in your Tired Bhuja.
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Jhujar wrote:Ahuja, U Forgot Chapter Dooza,
Kyon Karwa Rahe Ho Pooja
Blue Lable Ki Bottle , Prosciutto Ham Over
Sweet Slices of Fresh Kharbooza.
Perfect Recipe to Gain
Strength in your Tired Bhuja.
Love it but hold on to that bottle of Blue Label until the first book comes out on Amazon.
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Bliss to be patient saar: me busily working this weekend with publishers for the novel in India. Will resume writing after its done.

Things that were openly used for the scenario are now required to be changed going into publication in India (such as references to certain Tibetan officials, any other real life character and so forth). :wink:

Also, I could use some help from the BRF readers on one issue: I am trying to add maps to the novel to help a non-BRF reader to understand the lay of the terrain etc. But don't want to use google maps necessarily because of publishing copyright issues for a paperback.

Can anybody suggest a good software/source where I can go and edit general geographic maps (so that they are legally mine and usable in the novel)?

Also, now would be a good time to tell me if you need additional resources at the end of the book so I can add what I can in there. Things such as nomenclature etc.

Thanks and regards

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Those of you who know me on BRF facebook have already seen this, but to all others:

Got the publisher's pre-publication draft of the book for review purposes. Some images: :)

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This was used to edit the grammatical errors and other publication errors spanning 446 pages. As you can imagine, me and the publishers working overtime on this at the moment. More details early next week.

Regards

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vivek_ahuja wrote:Those of you who know me on BRF facebook have already seen this, but to all others:

Got the publisher's pre-publication draft of the book for review purposes. Some images: :)

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This was used to edit the grammatical errors and other publication errors spanning 446 pages. As you can imagine, me and the publishers working overtime on this at the moment. More details early next week.

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-Vivek
Oh man ... I love to be holding that right now.
Hurry up and tell them its perfect start printing now
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Also, I could use some help from the BRF readers on one issue: I am trying to add maps to the novel to help a non-BRF reader to understand the lay of the terrain etc. But don't want to use google maps necessarily because of publishing copyright issues for a paperback.

Can anybody suggest a good software/source where I can go and edit general geographic maps (so that they are legally mine and usable in the novel)?
Vivek, one option for map data is OpenStreetMap. Looking at their license, it appears that the maps can be used freely as long as there is attribution somewhere in the book (they suggest the acknowledgements section).

You will almost certainly need to update the maps with more details. The areas of our interest don't have too much stuff there. You could choose to contribute to the main database or download the database and edit it locally. There's some info of contributing data to the main database here: Beginners Guide.

I'm not too handy with the latter option, but I'm sure one of the young guns will be able to help out there.

Good luck!
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If you need help with maps, let me know. I'm sure some other folks will be interested too.
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Wow can't wait to have my hand on this book... please please let us know when it is available :)
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nash wrote:Wow can't wait to have my hand on this book... please please let us know when it is available :)
+1
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vivek_ahuja wrote:Also, now would be a good time to tell me if you need additional resources at the end of the book so I can add what I can in there. Things such as nomenclature etc.
Pretty pictures ... :mrgreen:
I was only half joking actually.
Pictures of weapon systems used (or weapon systems class : BMP/Pinaka representing all MBRL) + SF in combat fatigues etc might help a non-jiingo reader imagine the look of things.

In the meanwhile, Sirjee, could you post higher resolution pics of the pages, please?
Found myself squinting to read the letters ... :mrgreen:

--Ashish
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Ahuja-ji; pliss note that your book shall be my gift to all near and dear ones for a while, I expect to buy multiple copies and spread the joy around.
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vivek_ahuja wrote: Also, I could use some help from the BRF readers on one issue: I am trying to add maps to the novel to help a non-BRF reader to understand the lay of the terrain etc. But don't want to use google maps necessarily because of publishing copyright issues for a paperback.
With regards to google maps copyright, i found this saar - http://support.google.com/maps/bin/stat ... page=ts.cs . It seems to suggest that you could use their maps. The worry is the CC Share-alike licensing, which might not be possible since the book is copyrighted. I'll also look around for any other maps or free map repositories. Bhuvan also seems to have some good maps. Not sure about their usage conditions or terms. Plus, it seems to be limited to India only. Which means you might not get good results for Bhutan and tibet.

The bigger concern might be security considerations in usage of maps, especially since you are discussing real life military bases and operations. If some stupid babu decides to be a kabab mein haddi over something this small, it will ruin all the fun.
Also, now would be a good time to tell me if you need additional resources at the end of the book so I can add what I can in there. Things such as nomenclature etc.

Thanks and regards

-Vivek
I believe i've put up a wishlist in a post on the previous thread. ( http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 3#p1384483 ).

What I think would help the layman reader will be 3D maps. Its fairly hard to understand combat stuff and the environment based on a 2D contour map. If the simulated images of the battle could be overlaid on the map, that'd be awesome. However, it would need to be a decision about how much illustration to use - I think many publishers consider illustrations as taking away from the seriousness of a book. Which is the case with a normal book. But this isnt a normal book.

A typical larger ORBAT map would also help (which units are based where, what kind of systems they use, where they act, etc).

Some military aspects, especially some terms related to small unit tactics might require a more detailed explanation. I think if you could maybe write up a couple of paragraphs for these things, like a small essay, and include it in the appendices, it'd enrich the experience of interested readers greatly, although at the cost of increasing page count.
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Vivek Ahujaji, need your scenario building for these mil goals if we don't get into classified domain,

There is a need to deny the Pakis the airbases and other mil infra in Afghanistan being vacated by the Americans so that PAF and their Strategic forces do not find any strategic depth there. Afghanistan doesn't have any sort of air defence.
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amol wrote:Vivek, one option for map data is OpenStreetMap. Looking at their license, it appears that the maps can be used freely as long as there is attribution somewhere in the book (they suggest the acknowledgements section).
This might be useful. Thanks!

-Vivek
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jamwal wrote:If you need help with maps, let me know. I'm sure some other folks will be interested too.
So what I am trying to do is put perhaps a handful of maps with battle information at the end of the book for orientation purposes.

There are not too many people outside BRF who know what or where the Chumbi Valley is or where DBO is.

Pandyan and Amol have given me some good ideas. Let me see how much the publishers will allow me to put in there. I am already pushing my luck with them to be honest.

-Vivek
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Sanku wrote:Ahuja-ji; pliss note that your book shall be my gift to all near and dear ones for a while, I expect to buy multiple copies and spread the joy around.
Thank you saar! I appreciate the support. The book would never have materialized had it not been for the support of the BRFites here!

-Vivek
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k prasad wrote:The bigger concern might be security considerations in usage of maps, especially since you are discussing real life military bases and operations. If some stupid babu decides to be a kabab mein haddi over something this small, it will ruin all the fun.
I am already running into these issue with regard to references to the Dalai Lama etc in the novel. There is concern that it might be controversial to have such stuff in print. :-? :(

Here's to hoping the book makes through unscathed...
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vasu raya wrote:Vivek Ahujaji, need your scenario building for these mil goals if we don't get into classified domain,

There is a need to deny the Pakis the airbases and other mil infra in Afghanistan being vacated by the Americans so that PAF and their Strategic forces do not find any strategic depth there. Afghanistan doesn't have any sort of air defence.
I am afraid I didn't quite follow what you meant there: did you want the current scenario to look at this issue or where you commenting on something else?
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Sorry Vivekji, this is not related to the book, I meant your comment on the developing situation in Afghanistan post American pullout and our mil options.
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vasu raya wrote:Sorry Vivekji, this is not related to the book, I meant your comment on the developing situation in Afghanistan post American pullout and our mil options.
Right. So you are talking about the new scenario here: "Fenix".

Yeah, it is by all aspects a "Look Northwest" scenario just like the previous one was "Look Northeast". :wink:

There are various models as to what the Af-Pak scenario will look post US/NATO. I am looking at one model with Fenix. After this one, the third scenario will look at a different model.

-Vivek
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Ahh thanks! would we see the episodes from 'Fenix' here on this thread?
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vasu raya wrote:Ahh thanks! would we see the episodes from 'Fenix' here on this thread?
Yes. In fact, I started some posts already on this dhaga's first few pages. Currently I am busy with getting the book done and out to the readers but after that I will return to writing.

-Vivek
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vivek_ahuja wrote:
k prasad wrote:The bigger concern might be security considerations in usage of maps, especially since you are discussing real life military bases and operations. If some stupid babu decides to be a kabab mein haddi over something this small, it will ruin all the fun.
I am already running into these issue with regard to references to the Dalai Lama etc in the novel. There is concern that it might be controversial to have such stuff in print. :-? :(

Here's to hoping the book makes through unscathed...
Good for the Book.A Million would be sold in first fortnight. :D China may ban it and West would give you Award. Though it would deserve it even without controversy.
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narmad wrote:Who is this guy ?
That would be me. :wink:

Yes, this is the amazon site for the book undergoing tests for proof-reading etc.

Folks in Europe and US etc will be able to order it from here. You can order it now too if you want, but it might have some minor editing errors. :)

It should be done and dusted this weekend for Amazon. The Indian release is still undergoing the painstaking work via publishers. :((

-Vivek
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