pankajs wrote:Saurav Jha @SJha1618 · 11h 11 hours ago
Indian Army Air Defence: SA-6 replacement - Akash MRSAM. SA-13 replacement - Sosna-R. SA-8 replacement - DRDO's QRSAM.
Not happening. He often continues in this way when his bhavishya vani doesn't materialize.Septimus P. wrote:http://trishul-trident.blogspot.be/
As per Prasun, Javelin will still be acquired since it is better optimised for mountain warfare and the deal will come in next year. Hopefully true.
No. It's a completely new design but will utilize technologies developed for Astra and Trishul.pankajs wrote:I was going to quote my own post. Thanks!
SA-13 replacement - Sosna-R.
SA-8 replacement - DRDO's QRSAM{Astra based QRSAM???}
Also as per Prasun, Spike-SR (Range: 50m-800m) is ordered for Special Forces not the -MR (2.5Km) or LR (4Km, LOAL) akin to Javelin ATGM.Septimus P. wrote:http://trishul-trident.blogspot.be/
As per Prasun, Javelin will still be acquired since it is better optimised for mountain warfare and the deal will come in next year. Hopefully true.
He is firing one from the hips.hecky wrote:Also as per Prasun, Spike-SR (Range: 50m-800m) is ordered for Special Forces not the -MR (2.5Km) or LR (4Km, LOAL) akin to Javelin ATGM.Septimus P. wrote:http://trishul-trident.blogspot.be/
As per Prasun, Javelin will still be acquired since it is better optimised for mountain warfare and the deal will come in next year. Hopefully true.
The crystal maze warhead is also reported to be much smaller, at 80 Kgs only, hence my belief that it is not your regular popeye. If I remember correctly, crystal maze was a new variant of popeye and failed to make the cut in the first round of trials where it could not meet it's advertised penetration in reinforced concrete.Singha wrote:Thakur saheb, I think crystal maze is the basic popeye which has a range of 80km per the wiki.
the popeye turbo is featured in the Dolphin class subs and is apparently not even used by IDFAF.
there is no photo of crystal maze as its the popeye only.
http://www.rafael.co.il/Marketing/332-en/Marketing.aspx
it lists the basic popeye and thats it.
Spike-SR has a disposable launcher. So maybe the order is a mix of -SR or -mini and -LR versions.vaibhav.n wrote:He is firing one from the hips.
Considering how many SF units we have, why will they require those many numbers of ATGM's?
In any case, even their ATGM's are in a jeep mounted role. No use humping an ATGM across in a Long Range Recce Patrol to terrorize a mujahid when more ghastly means are avalaible.
Rafael Armament Development Authority Ltd. will supply its Spike LR anti-tank missile to Spain in a $425 million order. The contract to supply 2,600 Spike missiles and 260 launchers is part of collaboration between Rafael and Santa Barbara Sistemas of Spain, a subsidiary of General Dynamics Corp. (NYSE:GD).
We have the naval variant but not land based Buk. And it is not in the same class as SM-6 it is in same class as Patroit PAC-1.SaiK wrote:do we have buk-m2e s? dunno if it is comparable or on the same class as sm6.
rohitvats wrote:That idiot Chorgupta writes whatever fancy stuff he can conjure up.
Spike -SR has a disposable launcher.Karan M wrote:Vaibhav, its likely to be a mix of systems not one alone. The launcher is universal, right? That can explain the higher number of rounds. Depending on the tasking, they get differing numbers of different rounds. Somewhat similar to the new rifle with changeable gun barrels thing.
Swapped TSP for Vietnam?Victor wrote:Why should India sell any missiles to Vietnam when they can make their own? Next year Vietnam, which can't even develop motorcycles locally, may suddenly test a locally-developed, 1,500 km range cruise missile and put it into service immediately after the one test. It will be called "Dung Cam" ("fearless" in Vietnamese).
I'd say the Dung Cam, or more colloquially the "Bina Bhay" would be intended for defence of Vietnam from an aggressive neighbor, while in TSP's case it is the aggressive neighbour.saurabh.mhapsekar wrote:Swapped TSP for Vietnam?Victor wrote:Why should India sell any missiles to Vietnam when they can make their own? Next year Vietnam, which can't even develop motorcycles locally, may suddenly test a locally-developed, 1,500 km range cruise missile and put it into service immediately after the one test. It will be called "Dung Cam" ("fearless" in Vietnamese).
Karan - as you rightly said, purchase of Spike gives IA lot of flexibility in terms of options.Karan M wrote:Vaibhav, its likely to be a mix of systems not one alone. The launcher is universal, right? That can explain the higher number of rounds. Depending on the tasking, they get differing numbers of different rounds. Somewhat similar to the new rifle with changeable gun barrels thing.
Spike Served: India’s New ATGM
Oct 26, 2014 20:15 UTC by Defense Industry Daily staff
RAFAEL Spike firing
Spike firing
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India has been looking for a modern anti-tank/ infantry strike missile to take the place of MBDA Milan missiles that have been produced under license by Bharat Dynamics. The finalists in this competition were the American fire-and-forget Javelin, and Israel’s Spike with its combination of wire guided or fire-and-forget modes. As of October 2014, Spike appears to have won, despite offers from the USA to involve India in developing the next version of Javelin.
The Spike Family
Spike family
The Spike infantry system consists of a missile in its canister, a tripod, a Command Launch Unit that contains the optics and firing system, and a battery. It can go from “off” to firing in less than 30 seconds, as the operator lays the cross hairs on the aim point using either the 10x day sight, or the clip-on thermal imaging night sight.
Fire-and-forget targeting uses the imaging infrared (IIR) seeker, but there’s also an optional fully guided mode, using a fiber optic wire that spools out from the rear. They can be combined via “fire and forget plus,” which locks a target before launch but can be used to change targets or abort after launch. The missile flies in a lofted trajectory, hitting the target in a terminal dive and detonating a tandem high-explosive warhead that can defeat explosive reactive armor. The lofted trajectory also allows the missile to hit targets that are behind earthen walls, or otherwise not directly visible in line of sight. Reloading takes less than 15 seconds.
Spike-MR/ Gill is designed as an infantry-only weapon, and weighs 26 kg/ 57.2 pounds when fully assembled (13.3 kg missile in cannister, 5 kg CLU, 4 kg Thermal Sight, 1 kg missile, 2.8 kg tripod). Its effective range is 2.5 km. Spike-LR is a vehicle and infantry weapon that uses common systems, and extends effective range to 4 km. Vehicle variants include launch mountings and a control console, and Spike has been integrated into missile-capable Remote Weapons Systems.
Beyond these infantry weapons, Spike-ER is a larger missile that equips a number of helicopter types, and reaches out to 8 km. A special helicopter and vehicle-mounted variant called Spike-NLOS extends range to 25 km, and relies heavily on “fire and forget plus” via optical guidance. Neither appears to be on India’s acquisition radar just yet, but once Indian firms are license-building Spike family weapons, the government can always sign subsequent agreements to broaden its scope.
Spike infantry components
Spike components
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Oct 24/14: Spike picked. India’s top-level Defence Acquisition Council clears INR 900 billion in acquisitions. New submarines are the biggest, but there’s also clearance for up to INR 32 billion to buy and license-build about 300 Spike family launcher systems and 8,000 missiles.
Other DAC clearances include INR 530 billion for 6 submarines; 2 SDV underwater commando delivery vehicles; INR 20 billion to have the state-owned Ordnance Factory Board build about 360 more BMP-2 tracked IFVs under license; and INR 18.5 billion for 12 more license-built Do-228NG short-range transport and maritime surveillance aircraft from HAL. Sources: NDTV, “6 Made-in-India Submarines for Navy for 53,000 Crores” | IANS, “Defence ministry clears Israeli anti-tank missile, six submarines”.
A small mistake by TSS, Nibhay was launched from a MAN truck and not Tatra. Current engine is supposed to be imported and the one under development reverse engineered.Varoon Shekhar wrote:http://www.frontline.in/the-nation/no-f ... epage=true
Good article by T.S.S on the Nirbhay. Details about guidance system, but wish they would state whether the turbo fan engine in the second stage is imported or Indian made. That's not clear at all from the article.
Thank you, corrected.Sagar G wrote:^^^ *MAN
I believe IAF/IA want Akash to fill that role not QRSAM.Ranjani Brow wrote:No. It's a completely new design but will utilize technologies developed for Astra and Trishul.pankajs wrote:I was going to quote my own post. Thanks!
SA-13 replacement - Sosna-R.
SA-8 replacement - DRDO's QRSAM{Astra based QRSAM???}
You are right. Currently it is in a tractor-trailer configuration, and the tractor is easily replaceable. The current trailer can take 4 missiles. Tata declared that their 12X12 will be used for the Pragati, Brahmos and Nirbhay missiles.Singha wrote:it is a commercial grade MAN truck and easily replaceable with any other.
only the pinaka and prithvi seem to be on X-country capable trucks. the rest will need to stick on or near roads...which is fine as all are long range weapons.
among imported maal the smerch is on x-country chassis.
India is readying for the full-fledged test-firing from a canister of an indigenous long-range missile that carries a one-tonne nuclear warhead and can target cities as far as Beijing. The previous two launches of the 5,000 km Agni-5 intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) with dummy warheads have been from open mobile launchers. The canisterised version has a much longer shelf-life, with the container being made of special steel that absorbs the blast of the takeoff. "The test will happen by the end of November or early December. It will be another feather in the cap of Indian missile scientists," an official of the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) that developed the 50-tonne missile told IANS on condition of anonymity.
"We have already successfully fired two dummy missiles, and we are confident that the canister launch will be successful," the official added. The dummy missiles tested were of exact mass and height as the Agni-5, but without the warhead. According to the official, in the launch, a gas generator inside the canister ejects the missile up to a height of about 30 metres. A motor is then ignited to fire the missile.
As the launch process happens inside a canister, it takes away the need of a jet deflector on the launcher that is otherwise needed for redirecting the high energy exhaust. The strength of the surface of the launch pad is not a critical factor either, making it possible to launch the missile from anywhere. In addition to giving the user more flexibility, a canister-based missile offers the option to launch at a very short notice and with less manpower. "Canister launch provides the missile a quick reaction stop-and-launch system," the official said.
"As the missile is sealed in a canister, there is no impact on the outside environment. This protects the missile, and many pre- checks are not needed, making the launch process shorter," the official added.
The Agni-5 is the most advanced version of the Agni, or Fire, series, part of the Integrated Guided Missile Development Programme that started in the 1960s.
Before this, DRDO scientists successfully conducted from an underwater pontoon the K-15 ballistic missile that will be used to arm the Indian Navy's submarines.
(Anjali Ojha can be contacted at anjali.ojha@ians.in)
The governments of India and Russia have agreed that BrahMos missile will be exported to a list of mutually agreeable countries for defensive purposes. There is also a negative list to which exports are barred.
The missile has been showcased in several countries to apprise the potential customers of its capabilities. “If any country approaches us we will look into it on a case by case basis. BrahMos Aerospace has the production capacity, game plan and skilled labour to supply. I would like to state that we are ready and waiting. It is for the government of India to decide”, Sudhir Mishra, CEO and MD of BrahMos Corporation said on Wednesday.
It has been learnt that three submarine manufacturers Amur (Russia), HDW (Germany) and Navantia (Spain) have approached BA for installing BrahMos on the new Project- 75I submarines should they bag the contract. The manufacturers have all assured that BrahMos can be installed on their submarines without affecting the quality of the missile or the submarine. Land attack capability is one of the requirements of the Project 75I submarines.
Asked about the deliverables for the next five to seven years, Mr. Mishra said, “We are concentrating all energies on the air launched variant to deliver it on schedule. Second is advanced land variants for the Army. We have recently demonstrated a steep dive capability at 65 degree to identify targets in a clutter. Next we are working on a near vertical and surround capability for use in the mountains.”
Several rounds of trials have been carried out, so far. In May 2012, trials were held at the Mahajan range, in which the Russians managed to score only a single hit out of four. Again during sea trials, the Russian system managed only a single hit out of two. Rosoboronexport was allowed to repeat the Mahajan trials in winter of 2012, in which it managed all four hits. But its sight failed during high altitude trials, following which they were asked to modify their sight’s lens, receiver metrics and software.
Having persisted in the competition, they were invited to try again this summer at the Mahajan range.
Indian evaluators asked them to demonstrate firing of their system in high temperatures at Mahajan by August 15 this year, to demonstrate the functionality of the modified sight. As it turned out, everybody except the Russians showed up.
Instead, Rosoboronexport wrote to the Indian evaluators saying that they did not feel it necessary to conduct another demonstration of their system.