Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Manish_P · Post by **Manish_P** » 07 Apr 2016 13:32

Missed it.. away in another area for meetings. Sigh

rvishwak · Post by **rvishwak** » 07 Apr 2016 18:16

Be at alert around 8 PM, yesterday two Sukhois took off at around the same time.

rvishwak · Post by **rvishwak** » 07 Apr 2016 19:28

Two Sukhoi took off again at 8:30

jayasimha · Post by **jayasimha** » 07 Apr 2016 19:48

Austin wrote:Rare Sight but Sukhois are flying over Mumbai today not sure why must be some exercise ?

may be because of this

http://idrw.org/defence-minister-manoha ... ramaditya/

they must be practicing

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 16 Apr 2016 12:46

Any idea if GeorgeJ still posts at BRF , He was our MKI man here.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 22 Apr 2016 08:22

Austin got your message - thanks

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 25 Apr 2016 08:50

Welcome Shiv

26 bombs

Multifunctional fighter Su-30MKI Indian Air Force clears spectacular volley bomb load of 26 high-explosive bombs FAB-250 caliber 250 kg during a demonstration exercise "Iron Fist-2016" in the Indian range Pokran March 18, 2016.

http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1869078.html

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 25 Apr 2016 09:07

^^I counted 28 bombs there

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 25 Apr 2016 09:11

I counted again its 26

deejay · Post by **deejay** » 25 Apr 2016 09:50

shiv wrote:^^I counted 28 bombs there

26 only.

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 25 Apr 2016 10:37

Twenty-seven?

PratikDas · Post by **PratikDas** » 25 Apr 2016 10:49

Seventy two

deejay · Post by **deejay** » 25 Apr 2016 11:18

The contrails of a DDM story

shiv wrote:^^I counted 28 bombs there

The first doubts

Austin wrote:I counted again its 26

The verification

deejay wrote:
shiv wrote:^^I counted 28 bombs there
26 only.

Reinforced

Shreeman wrote:Twenty-seven?

Law of averages

PratikDas wrote:Seventy two

That the Jihadis will get

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 25 Apr 2016 11:20

^^^

JTull · Post by **JTull** » 25 Apr 2016 12:49

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 25 Apr 2016 13:10

On the Other Hands I counted 26 and thats probably the maximum, Maximum weapons Load is 8 tonnes, 26*250KG= 7.5 tons plus 2 R-73*90KG, the aircraft is carrrying 7.7 tonnes of weapons.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 25 Apr 2016 13:21

^^ 26*250 = 6.5 T plus plus 2 R-73*105KG = 6710 Kg

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 25 Apr 2016 13:24

Austin wrote:I counted again its 26

That is because two bombs had fallen out of the picture by the time you counted again

But seriously 26x500 pounders is a lot of bums

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 25 Apr 2016 13:29

shiv wrote: That is because two bombs had fallen out of the picture by the time you counted again

But seriously 26x500 pounders is a lot of bums

In one of the discussion with Pralay in keypubs he mentioned the following

Flying with a maximum combat load - trick for the buyer. Planes fly to the "normal combat load." Normal load - 5% of the maximum take-off weight. Maximum combat load - 26% of the maximum take-off weight.

Normal load the MiG-35 600 - 1200 kg.
17500 kg - 12100 (empty weight) - 4800 kg (fuel) = 600 kg (weapons)

With a combat load, it is possible to suspend further 1 PTB-2000 and 2 PTB-1150.
12100 (empty weight) + 4800 kg (fuel) + 600 kg (weapons) + 2000 kg + 2*1150 kg = 21800 kg

Let me remind you, the maximum combat load of Su-34 - 12500 kg. Normal load 3000 - 4500 kg

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 25 Apr 2016 13:46

there is a pic in br very old one of a su30 banking away with its belly and wings entirely lined with pincer claw type bomb racks..i had counted 20 then. 26 is a new revelation...would be great to a see a pic of where they hang it.

member_29190 · Post by **member_29190** » 25 Apr 2016 14:01

shiv wrote:
Austin wrote:I counted again its 26
But seriously 26x500 pounders is a lot of bums

Wonder how much the re-inforced Brahmos carrying SU30 can do.... In the center line alone it can carry 3 tonne +

26 bums(or PGM) loitering for 10 hours overhead in a battlefield.. And we have 250 of them!

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 25 Apr 2016 14:03

Singha wrote:there is a pic in br very old one of a su30 banking away with its belly and wings entirely lined with pincer claw type bomb racks..i had counted 20 then. 26 is a new revelation...would be great to a see a pic of where they hang it.

They Hang like this something on a Su-34

srai · Post by **srai** » 25 Apr 2016 18:09

srai · Post by **srai** » 25 Apr 2016 18:24

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 26 Apr 2016 02:35

The FAB-250 is being made by OFB? or imported?

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 26 Apr 2016 02:36

Deejay, Those 26 would have timing and dispersal pattern for area targets?

srai · Post by **srai** » 26 Apr 2016 03:10

ramana wrote:The FAB-250 is being made by OFB? or imported?

I think those are Russian ones. OFB was trying to reverse engineer aerial bombs but don't know the current status of their efforts.

ARDE has had 125kg and 250kg OFAB program for some time. Not sure if those have been inducted yet.

deejay · Post by **deejay** » 26 Apr 2016 09:08

ramana wrote:Deejay, Those 26 would have timing and dispersal pattern for area targets?

No or more precisely not that I am aware of.

tsarkar · Post by **tsarkar** » 26 Apr 2016 14:48

Now, who realized the significance of the ball bearings?

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 26 Apr 2016 16:36

tsarkar wrote:Now, who realized the significance of the ball bearings?

In fact I was wondering about something related to this. The lethal radius for personnel is said to be 140 meters, but that only means that bearings could fly a kilometer or more. At least on two occasions I have seen Su-30s drop 16 bombs at a time in a Pokhran demo show. I presume they must have been HE only because I suspect that 2 km is still not a safe distance (for the audience) to be for the odd stray ball bearing

tsarkar · Post by **tsarkar** » 26 Apr 2016 17:26

^^ You're thinking (correctly) in terms of range safety, but maybe you might want to think in terms of Kargil.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 26 Apr 2016 18:10

afaik, the spread of such carpet bombing at a constant speed and height depends on the a/c trajectory. a dive gives a bunched up carpet, a climb gives a spread out one and a level drop something in between. thats how i read the B52 types release their vast payload of around 80 heavies.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 26 Apr 2016 20:10

Austin wrote: 26 bombs

Multifunctional fighter Su-30MKI Indian Air Force clears spectacular volley bomb load of 26 high-explosive bombs FAB-250 caliber 250 kg during a demonstration exercise "Iron Fist-2016" in the Indian range Pokran March 18, 2016.

http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/bmpd/380 ... iginal.jpg

http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1869078.html

I guesstimate that the height difference between the first bomb to be released and the last is about 120 meters. That allows me to guess that the entire clutch of 26 bombs has been released in about 5 seconds. Assuming that the Su-30 is flying at 600 kmph it means that the bombs will hit the ground in a line of bombs 800 meters long (or less)

brrrp - 800 meter long line of perforation and death

Mihir · Post by **Mihir** » 26 Apr 2016 20:13

tsarkar wrote:^^ You're thinking (correctly) in terms of range safety, but maybe you might want to think in terms of Kargil.

Inadequate precision was a real issue in Kargil, where "a miss by a foot is a miss by a mile" or something like that. So if these bombs are fitted with proximity fuses and set to explode a couple of hundred feet above the ground, they could shred the infiltrators in uncovered sangars over a pretty wide area without needing much precision.

srai · Post by **srai** » 26 Apr 2016 20:44

^^^

That will impact any nearby friendlies as well.

Cybaru · Post by **Cybaru** » 26 Apr 2016 21:13

Yeah, the un precision work isn't for areas where friendlies are behind another rock exchanging bullets from hand held devices... 5-10 kms behind enemy line, this would do wonders.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 27 Apr 2016 09:11

Tsarkar Please tell us. 12 mm is about 1/2 inch. Quite effective ball ammo to shred any soft area target. Odd that the bigger bomb has less number steel balls. So more velocity?

member_20453 · Post by **member_20453** » 27 Apr 2016 12:43

With the Spice 250, I think the MKI should also be able to deploy at least 24 such weapons, gives new meaning to high volume precision strike in the IAF.

adityadange · Post by **adityadange** » 27 Apr 2016 13:31

Ramana sahab,
not sure but there could be constraint on overall dimensions of the munition. longer/fatter may not be that much aerodynamic. just a guess.

Kersi D · Post by **Kersi D** » 27 Apr 2016 13:41

How about 12 CBU 105s on a SU 30 ? A big bang