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govardhan wrote:Saw this twitter wanted share here,

J20 a/c carrier flight story and how it was faked.
lol
also note the tides in both pics:
one white tide at mid-upper edge of j20 pic
another near right upper corner
and one more above j20 canopy.
All these match exactly with su-33 pic. only difference is in j20 they are zoomed in.
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They will license make some elements of s400 radar systems to fill gaps under new names. The outright order is the guru dakshina. russians play a clever game of promising to look the other way when the 'cloning' happens in exchange for a fat licensing fee under the table and perhaps "contractors" sent off the books to hand hold.

but they seem to keep their bleeding edge just out reach tantalisingly...with promise to give it all the next round of guru dakshina...so like vera of the seven veils...some flesh is revealed but not the full monty and the infatuated sethji with stars in eyes keeps throwing money...the latest being su35BM.....there was no need for it if things were fine in cheen with two vlo projects ongoing and j-10 production in full swing.

We need to step up work on air launched nirbhay and brahmosa plus mald type decoys
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China's nuclear submarine completes escort mission
t is being reported that a Chinese naval nuclear submarine has fulfilled its escort mission to the Gulf of Aden and returned to Qingdao, East China's Shandong Province.
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According to Indian media, Chinese naval sub was found on patrol in Indian Ocean from December 2013 to February 2014 and six countries including the U.S., Russia and India were informed before the mission.
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China Develops Fourth-Generation Nuclear Sub
Meanwhile, the Chinese Navy is preparing to commission three new, Type-093G, nuclear-powered attack submarines with a vertical launching system able to fire supersonic anti-ship missiles, a report from China Daily said.

“The Type-093G is reported to be an upgraded version of Type-093, China’s second-generation nuclear-powered attack submarine, which entered active service several years ago. With a teardrop hull, the submarine is longer than its predecessor and has a vertical launching system,” according to the China Daily report.

The Chinese navy’s website said the new version was engineered to reduce noise, improve speed and mobility and fire China’s latest YJ-18 supersonic anti-ship missile.
Read more: http://sputniknews.com/asia/20150505/10 ... z3ZFC58MrO
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http://focustaiwan.tw/news/aipl/201505060023.aspx
China's nuclear submarine fleet vulnerable due to idleness: report
2015/05/06China's nuclear submarine fleet vulnerable due to idleness: report
2015/05/06
Photo from People's Liberation Army Navy

Taipei, May 6 (CNA) Nuclear-powered submarines in China's navy are vulnerable to precision missile attacks because of the significant amount of time they spend at their bases, according to an article in the May edition of the Chinese-language Kanwa Defense Review (漢和防務評論).

The report by the Toronto-based publication said the Chinese navy's three main nuclear-powered submarines, the 11,500 tonne Type 094 with ballistic missile launching capabilities, and the 5,500 tonne Type 091 and 7,000 tonne Type 93 spent much of 2014 at their bases.

China's most advanced Type 094 submarines were not ordered to maintain combat readiness and remained largely inactive.

While the Type 093 submarines put in more active duty hours than the Type 091, they were still more idle than the Russian and American submarine fleets, which are known to spend up to one-third of the year on active duty.

Although well protected in subterranean bases in Qingdao and Hainan Island that are carved out of rocks, China's nuclear submarines could be easily nullified by precision missile attacks aimed at collapsing the caves' entrances, rendering them sitting ducks.

The ability to quickly submerge and reach the necessary depth and distance away from base is the best course of action for submarines during war time, the report said.

The report questioned whether it was wise for the Chinese navy to continue basing its submarines in subterranean bases at a time when Russia is phasing the practice out, such as at the underground submarine base in Balaklava in the Crimea Peninsula that was built during the Soviet era.

(By Charles Kang and Ted Chen)
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Hmmm.... New AESA radar and domestic engines ? I guess they are not planning to stop production anytime soon.
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http://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity ... cyber-pact

Russia, China unite with major cyber pact
By Cory Bennett - 05/08/15 12:40 PM EDT

Russia and China on Friday signed an extensive cyber security pact, The Wall Street Journal reported.

The deal unites the United States’s two main cyberspace adversaries and will likely exacerbate cyber security tensions between the U.S. and China. It also signals Russia’s pivot to the East as it clashes with the West over its military action in Ukraine.

Under the agreement, the two countries have agreed not to hack each other, reserving their formidable cyber prowess for other purposes.
The two world powers also pledged to thwart technology that might “destabilize the internal political and socio-economic atmosphere,” “disturb public order” or “interfere with the internal affairs of the state.”

Additionally, both sides will swap cyber threat data and exchange information technology.

The agreement has been rumored since last fall.

“Both the Russians and the Chinese have a joint interest in the conduction of information security, which is clearly very different from the one that we have in U.S. and Europe,” Ian Wallace, co-director of New America Foundation’s Cyber security Initiative, told The Hill in November. “They’re focused on regime stability.”

U.S. cyber relations with Russia and China have disintegrated precipitously over the last few years.

A U.S.-Russia cyber working group was essentially frozen in 2014 over Moscow’s military action in Ukraine. And China pulled out of its own cyber working group with the U.S. after the Justice Department last year indicted five Chinese military members for hacking.

China has further irked the international business community and U.S. officials with its recent attempts to install laws requiring foreign firms operating in China to use Beijing-approved encryption and hand over all source code for inspection.

Friday’s agreement is further evidence of this widening gap in opinions over the state’s role managing the Internet.

While the U.S. and Europe think the Internet should be a worldwide hub of free expression, countries like Russia and China believe governments have a right to control digital information.
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India can go to war with China,saysVice Chief of Army General Philip
While inaugurating a seminar, 'Make in India Made Easy:Opportunities and Challenges in Defence Sector', at the Army
Institute of Management Technology, Lt General Campose said "Economically and militarily, India and China are moving to the world's most influential nations and there is much likelihood of both countries to enter into a war in this decade."

Philip emphasised the need for a synergised approach by all stakeholders to ensure success of the 'Make In India' initiative in the defence sector and said India's 60 per cent defence procurement requirements are met by imports.


Moreover the effect of China's influence in Asia can be judged along their shared 4,057-km border, most notably over Arunachal Pradesh (which Beijing asserts is part of Tibet and therefore of China), and over the Aksai Chin region at the western end of the Tibetan Plateau

Lt General Campose said " India is facing threat from China and the terror groups like Islamic State, Talibans and Al Qaeda from neighbouring country Pakistan .
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The Economist has a very interesting article regarding this issue

http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/2 ... thers-made
Despite this, China will continue to have three formidable advantages in manufacturing that will benefit the economy as a whole.

First, it is clinging on to low-cost manufacturing, even as it goes upmarket to exploit higher-value activities. Its share of global clothing exports has actually risen, from 42.6% in 2011 to 43.1% in 2013. It is also making more of the things that go into its goods. The World Bank has found that the share of imported components in China’s total exports has fallen from a peak of 60% in the mid-1990s to around 35% today. This is partly because China boasts clusters of efficient suppliers that others will struggle to replicate. It has excellent, and improving, infrastructure: it plans to build ten airports a year until 2020 (see article). And its firms are using automation to raise productivity, offsetting some of the effect of higher wages—the idea behind the government’s new “Made in China 2025” strategy.

China’s second strength is Factory Asia itself. As wages rise, some low-cost activity is indeed leaving the country. Much of this is passing to large low-income populations in South-East Asia. This process has a dark side. Last year an NGO found that almost 30% of workers in Malaysia’s electronics industry were forced labour (see article). But as Samsung, Microsoft, Toyota and other multinational firms trim production in China and turn instead to places such as Myanmar and the Philippines, they reinforce a regional supply chain with China at the centre.

The third advantage is that China is increasingly a linchpin of demand. As the spending and sophistication of Chinese consumers grows, Factory Asia is grabbing a bigger share of higher-margin marketing and customer service. At the same time, Chinese demand is strengthening Asian supply chains all the more. When it comes to the Chinese market, local contractors have the edge over distant rivals.

Deft policy could boost these advantages still further. The Association of South-East Asian Nations (ASEAN) is capable of snapping up low-end manufacturing. China’s share—by volume—of the market for American shoe imports slipped from 87% in 2009 to 79% last year. Vietnam, Indonesia and Cambodia picked up all the extra work. But ASEAN could do far more to create a single market for more complex goods and services. Regional—or, better, global—deals would smooth the spread of manufacturing networks from China into nearby countries. The example of Thailand’s strength in vehicle production, which followed the scrapping of restrictions on foreign components, shows how the right policies can weld South-East Asian countries into China’s manufacturing machine.

Unfortunately, other parts of the emerging world have less cause to rejoice. They lack a large economy that can act as the nucleus of a regional grouping. The North American Free-Trade Agreement has brought Mexican firms into supply chains that criss-cross North America, but not Central and South American ones. High trade barriers mean western Europe will not help north Africa in the way that it has helped central and eastern Europe.

And even when places like India or sub-Saharan Africa prise production from Factory Asia’s grasp, another problem remains. Manufacturing may no longer offer the employment or income gains that it once did. In the past export-led manufacturing offered a way for large numbers of unskilled workers to move from field to factory, transforming their productivity at a stroke. Now technological advances have led to fewer workers on factory floors. China and its neighbours may have been the last countries to be able to climb up the ladder of development simply by recruiting lots of unskilled people to make things cheaply.

Exports still remain the surest path to success for emerging markets. Competing in global markets is the best way to boost productivity. But governments outside the gates of Factory Asia will have to rely on several engines of development—not just manufacturing, but agriculture and services, too. India’s IT-services sector shows what can be achieved, but it is high-skilled and barely taps into the country’s ocean of labour.

Put policy to work

Such a model of development demands more of policymakers than competing on manufacturing labour costs ever did. A more liberal global regime for trade in services should be a priority for South America and Africa. Infrastructure spending has to focus on fibre-optic cables as well as ports and roads. Education is essential, because countries trying to break into global markets will need skilled workforces.

These are tall orders for developing countries. But just waiting for higher Chinese wages to push jobs their way is a recipe for failure.
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This Bromance is getting ridiculous.



China and Russia Grow Even Closer

http://www.theatlantic.com/internationa ... er/392882/
of the 30 or so world leaders who did arrive, only one had the privilege of sitting beside Russian leader Vladimir Putin: Chinese president Xi Jinping.
“We are strong if united but weak if isolated,” Xi said.



China invites Russian troops to take part in second world war parade

http://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomac ... -world-war
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Annual China Brief........

Newer reforms to be executed by 2020.....
1. Establishing a theater joint command system and reducing up to two military regions (MR).
2. The PLA continues to convert divisions to brigades with the idea this will increase effectiveness by boosting overall combat capabilities. This is part of an overall modernization effort to streamline the force and reduce non-combat positions.
3. Raising the enlisted-to-officer ratio.
Continued development of army aviation units, special operations forces, and air-land mobility are also increasing the agility of the force and building a nascent expeditionary capability. Additionally, the PLA senior leadership has discussed forming a ground forces headquarters.
People’s Liberation Army (PLA) active Army units are organized into Group Armies. Infantry, armor, artillery, and army aviation units are organized into a combination of divisions and brigades deployed throughout the PLA’s seven military regions (MR). The ground forces of China also include the two marine brigades under the Navy and the 15th Airborne Army of the Air Force. A significant portion of these assets are deployed in the Taiwan Strait area, specifically the Nanjing, Guangzhou, and Jinan MRs.

Infantry Divisions-12
Infantry Brigades-23
Mechanized Infantry Divisions-7
Mechanized Infantry Brigades-25
Armoured Divisions-1
Armoured Brigades-17
Army Aviation Brigades/Regiments-11
Artillery Brigades-22
Airborne Divisions-3
Amphibious Divisions-2
Amphibious Brigades-3
Link:http://www.defense.gov/pubs/2015_China_ ... Report.pdf
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http://www.janes.com/article/51264/russ ... helicopter
Russia and China to develop new heavy-lift helicopter
Gareth Jennings, London - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly
07 May 2015
Russia and China are to collaborate in the development of a new helicopter, dubbed Advanced Heavy Lift (AHL), it was announced on 8 May.

Under an agreement that was signed on the same day as the announcement, the unnamed parties involved will work on all areas of development and preparation to launch serial production of the new aircraft. According to Russian Helicopters CEO Alexander Mikheev, China will be the likely primary market for the AHL, with a potential requirement for 200 helicopters of this class by 2040.

The new helicopter, development of which is being supported by Russian President Vladimir Putin and Chinese President Xi Jinping, will have a maximum take-off weight of 38 tonnes and be capable of carrying 10 tonnes of cargo internally or 15 tonnes externally.
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it will be a further development of the Mi26, or perhaps productionization of the Mi26T.

if they can build and deploy 200 in Tibet it will have Ahuja sir very worried indeed.

russia is desperte to stay afloat and right now china is the only major source of funds for any arms program. I will not be surprised if total TOT is offered for the F117S engine which china would love to build in 100s in exchange for order of Su35BM.

same goes for any radar or missile.
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Why is the Chinese military building so many planes that spy on other planes?
New photos recently emerged of China's KJ-500 airborne early-warning and control plane. It's Beijing's fifth unique fixed-wing AEW&C aircraft. Which is kind of a big deal.

While hardly glamorous, these all-seeing planes are incredibly important to any modern air force. They transmit instructions and data  —  such as the presence of enemy fighters  —  with their powerful radars and sensors. If an air-to-air battle was an office, AEW&C planes would be the managers.

An air force with one of these planes in the air can see far more  —  and at much longer ranges  —  than an enemy without one.

But by any measure, five different types of AEW&Cs is a lot.

The KJ-500's introduction also raises the question  —  just how many various kinds of airborne surveillance aircraft does an air force need?

No one is winning South Sudan's civil war The U.S. Air Force has a single aircraft of this type in service. Boeing's E-3 Sentry has been operational since 1976, and remains the global standard for AEW&C planes. The U.S. Navy has the carrier-launched E-2 Hawkeye.

However, Beijing's five different spies in the sky are not a symbol of one-upmanship. China may be increasing its year-by-year defense spending, but a bigger reason why it needs yet another AEW&C aircraft is because they're really hard to build.

While military commanders and air power advocates often stress the vital importance of AEW&C to any modern-day air campaign, the process of refining the required hardware is beyond all but the most technologically advanced nations.

Russia has long struggled to field a truly effective airborne early-warning plane. India has been trying for years  —  without a tangible result.

If you have the money, and want the capability, the options are to buy from Israel or Sweden  —  two established, and innovative, players in the field of military electronics. Or, if you are politically acceptable in Washington's eyes, you can choose the American option.

And if you're China, you can constantly test new versions you mostly build yourself.

Beginnings

To be sure, Beijing has tried some of the other options. China first attempted to join the elite AEW&C club back in the mid-1960s. But until recently, its efforts were repeatedly frustrated.

In the early 1970s, Beijing outfitted a Soviet-supplied Tu-4 bomber as its first-generation AEW&C aircraft. But the modified warplane's KJ-1 radar was a failure. It's not even certain that the radar ever flew aboard the adapted Tu-4, which ended its days as a museum piece in the Chinese capital.

During the 1990s, the People's Liberation Army looked toward Israel as a supplier of a working AEW&C system. The Israeli option looked good on paper  —  Israeli AEW&C systems are currently in use with the Chilean, Indian, Singaporean and Israeli air forces.

Even better, China wouldn't even need to design a new airplane. In the airborne early-warning world, it's the mission avionics  —  the centerpiece of which is a long-range airborne radar  —  which are at the heart of the system.

While the platform that carries this equipment isn't exactly an afterthought, a number of different airliners and military transports  —  as long as they have the requisite load-carrying ability and internal dimensions  —  should fit the job.

China opted for the Soviet-era Il-76 airlifter as its platform for the planned Israeli electronics. It was an obvious choice in many ways, as the Il-76 was already a proven basis for AEW&C aircraft.

In the meantime, however, Washington stepped in and put a stop to the Sino-Israeli cooperation. An Il-76 airframe already delivered to Russia for the upgrade work had its Israeli-installed equipment stripped out.

China went back to the drawing board, and assigned top priority to the development of an AEW&C aircraft based on the Il-76.

But this new plane would incorporate indigenously-produced radar and mission avionics. The result was the KJ-2000, an aircraft based around the Type 88 early-warning radar.

Carried in a dish mounted atop the fuselage of the jet, the Type 88 doesn't rotate like the familiar rotodome on the U.S. E-3. Instead, it carries three active electronically scanned antennas that provide 360-degree radar coverage.

The KJ-2000 may very well be the most capable AEW&C aircraft in the Chinese military. But China only built four of them since its introduction in 2005.

The reason for the KJ-2000's limited numbers? A lack of airframes. China doesn't build the Il-76 itself. Instead, Beijing bought most of these planes from Russia and Uzbekistan. But when Moscow put a stop to further Il-76 sales to China, and the KJ-2000 program apparently ground to a halt, too.

Since the embargo, China has acquired additional Il-76s from third-party sources. But to date, none have reemerged as an upgraded KJ-2000.

China is working on a new jet airlifter in the class of the Il-76, the Y-20. But it's still in the early phases of its flight
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moscow did not put a stop to the 39 plane IL76 deal. the factory in tatarstan stopped making new planes...and eventually it was relocated to somewhere in russia and started work on the IL476.

given their lack of options, the IL476 is probably their best bet as a long duration heavy-AWACS platform.

they have also purchased all rights to the abortive Ukrainian AN70 which is a big plane...but the turboprops might be slower.
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An-70 is best bet for China , its almost completed 95 % of its test flight and its ready for production , Ukraine and China enjoy good relation and Ukraine has helped china reverse engineer many soviet stuff and has supplied Su-27K naval variant for reverse engineering.

China would simply buy out An-70 design and Ukraine would more than happily oblige
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4 Signs That Russia's Defense Industry is Pivoting Toward China

http://www.themoscowtimes.com/business/ ... 19975.html
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US naval ship has run-in with PLA frigate in South China Sea
USS Fort Worth, a US Navy Freedom-class littoral combat ship, had a run-in with the Yancheng, a PLA Navy Type 054A guided-missile frigate, during its patrol over the disputed Spratly islands on May 11, according to the Beijing-based Sina Military Network.

A seven-day patrol mission was carried out by the US Navy over the disputed waters of the South China Sea from the American naval facility in Singapore. The movements of the USS Fort Worth were closely monitored by Yancheng when it navigated into the Spratly waters near the fourth largest island in the chain.

During the confrontation, USS Fort Worth radioed the Yancheng to remind the PLA ship that it was operating in international waters.The frigate ignored the message and continued to follow the USS Fort Worth until it left the waters, currently under the administration of Beijing. In addition to the vessel itself, the US ship was carrying a MQ-8B unmanned aerial vehicle and a MH-60 helicopter on board. However, a littoral combat ship would not have the firepower to engage a guided-missile frigate like Yancheng.

The confrontation ended peacefully, and both parties stuck to the Code for Unplanned Encounters at Sea adopted by the navies of nations in the Western Pacific including China and the United States last year. The United States Navy will continue to carry out similar patrol missions when it is capable of deploying all four littoral combat ships to Singapore, as per the original plan. More incidents like this may occur in the area in the future, the report said.
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http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... fter-obam/

China to sell Jordan missile-firing drones after Obama says no to helping ally
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http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articl ... en-412172/
Report: China wants stealthy UAVs along with fifth-gen fighters

Washington DCSource: Flightglobal.com

This story is sourced from Flightglobal.com 9 hours agoThe Pentagon thinks China will prioritise development of stealthy unmanned aircraft for air-to-ground combat along with its pursuit of fifth-generation fighter aircraft like the J-20 and J-31 to rival the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter.

According to a report by the US Defense Department on military developments in China, the People’s Liberation Army Air Force views stealth technology as “integral to unmanned aircraft”, particularly for striking well-defended ground targets.

“Some estimates indicate China plans to produce upwards of 41,800 land- and sea-based unmanned systems, worth about $10.5 billion, between 2014 and 2023,” the report says. “In 2013, China unveiled details of four UAVs under development—the Xianglong, Yilong, Sky Saber, and Lijian—the last three of which are designed to carry precision-strike capable weapons.”

China’s first stealthy UAV, the Lijian, conducted its maiden test flight November 2013.
For manned aviation, China is developing two highly maneuverable and stealthy fifth-generation fighter jets that could enter service by 2018.

The report says the third and fourth J-20 prototypes conducted their first flights in 2014 and flight testing of a fifth prototype is expected by year’s end. The second fighter type, the J-31, debuted at the 10th China International Aviation and Aerospace Exhibition in Zhuhai last November.

“The prototype is similar in size to a US F-35 fighter and appears to incorporate design characteristics similar to the J-20,” the report notes. “It is unclear if the J-31 is being developed for employment by the [People’s Liberation Army], or as an export platform to compete with the US F-35 on the arms market.”

Aside from the introduction of advance fighters, China is modernising its bomber force to carry modern, anti-ship and land-attack cruise missiles, giving the country’s relatively small and dated H-6 bombers greater punching power.
China is also investing in all-weather, satellite- and laser-guided bombs and missiles and anti-radiation munitions for its fighters, bombers and UAVs. Small, precision-strike armaments being purchased for unmanned platforms include the anti-ship AR-1, anti-tank HJ-10, laser-guided Blue Arrow 7 and KD-2 missiles.

“China is also adapting GPS-guided munitions such as the FT-5 and LS-6 that are similar to the US Joint Direct Attack Munitions to UAVs,” the report states.

China has increased military spending to almost $140 billion annually. In 2014, China had 1,700 fighters, 400 bombers, 475 transports and 115 special-mission aircraft, along with an unknown number of UAVs.
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China Making Some Missiles More Powerful
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/17/world ... erful.html?
After decades of maintaining a minimal nuclear force, China has re-engineered many of its long-range ballistic missiles to carry multiple warheads, a step that federal officials and policy analysts say appears designed to give pause to the United States as it prepares to deploy more robust missile defenses in the Pacific.

What makes China’s decision particularly notable is that the technology of miniaturizing warheads and putting three or more atop a single missile has been in Chinese hands for decades. But a succession of Chinese leaders deliberately let it sit unused; they were not interested in getting into the kind of arms race that characterized the Cold War nuclear competition between the United States and the Soviet Union.

Now, however, President Xi Jinping appears to have altered course, at the same moment that he is building military airfields on disputed islands in the South China Sea, declaring exclusive Chinese “air defense identification zones,” sending Chinese submarines through the Persian Gulf for the first time and creating a powerful new arsenal of cyberweapons.
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In 1999, during the Clinton administration, Republicans in Congress charged that Chinese spies had stolen the secrets of H-bomb miniaturization. But intelligence agencies noted Beijing’s restraint.

“For 20 years,” the C.I.A. reported, “China has had the technical capability to develop” missiles with multiple warheads and could, if so desired, upgrade its missile forces with MIRVs “in a few years.”

The calculus shifted in 2004, when the Bush administration began deploying a ground-based antimissile system in Alaska and California. Early in 2013, the Obama administration, worrying about North Korean nuclear advances, ordered an upgrade. It called for the interceptors to increase in number to 44 from 30.
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Austin wrote:US naval ship has run-in with PLA frigate in South China Sea
USS Fort Worth, a US Navy Freedom-class littoral combat ship, had a run-in with the Yancheng, a PLA Navy Type 054A guided-missile frigate, during its patrol over the disputed Spratly islands on May 11, according to the Beijing-based Sina Military Network.

A seven-day patrol mission was carried out by the US Navy over the disputed waters of the South China Sea from the American naval facility in Singapore. The movements of the USS Fort Worth were closely monitored by Yancheng when it navigated into the Spratly waters near the fourth largest island in the chain.

During the confrontation, USS Fort Worth radioed the Yancheng to remind the PLA ship that it was operating in international waters.The frigate ignored the message and continued to follow the USS Fort Worth until it left the waters, currently under the administration of Beijing. In addition to the vessel itself, the US ship was carrying a MQ-8B unmanned aerial vehicle and a MH-60 helicopter on board. However, a littoral combat ship would not have the firepower to engage a guided-missile frigate like Yancheng.

The confrontation ended peacefully, and both parties stuck to the Code for Unplanned Encounters at Sea adopted by the navies of nations in the Western Pacific including China and the United States last year. The United States Navy will continue to carry out similar patrol missions when it is capable of deploying all four littoral combat ships to Singapore, as per the original plan. More incidents like this may occur in the area in the future, the report said.
the Fort Worth is like a sitting duck. It has no anti ship missiles to speak of.. It is a fast ship being described as "a jet ski with a gun" but that is no defense against an anti ship missile. I am not sure what the purpose is of sending a basically defenseless ship into troubled waters. it's got a 57 mm auto loading gun plus some torpedoes and a small PAM missile with a range of 25 miles. Not exactly loaded for bear if somebody's big brother shows up to settle an argument. Without air cover or some other back up it is just a sacrifice of men and machinery.
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Probing the response??
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TSJones wrote:[. I am not sure what the purpose is of sending a basically defenseless ship into troubled waters. it's got a 57 mm auto loading gun plus some torpedoes and a small PAM missile with a range of 25 miles. Not exactly loaded for bear if somebody's big brother shows up to settle an argument. Without air cover or some other back up it is just a sacrifice of men and machinery.
maybe this was the same like the USS Pueblo in 1968

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Pueblo_(AGER-2)
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The ship was spreading phreedom and democracy and the eebil dlagon countered it? who wuda thunk.
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TSJones wrote: the Fort Worth is like a sitting duck. It has no anti ship missiles to speak of.. It is a fast ship being described as "a jet ski with a gun" but that is no defense against an anti ship missile. I am not sure what the purpose is of sending a basically defenseless ship into troubled waters. it's got a 57 mm auto loading gun plus some torpedoes and a small PAM missile with a range of 25 miles. Not exactly loaded for bear if somebody's big brother shows up to settle an argument. Without air cover or some other back up it is just a sacrifice of men and machinery.
There was a parallel effort ................ a diplomatic one, which failed.

See these events in light of what Modi said while in China and one should expect more cooperation between the US and India on these areas.


There is a LOT of chatter on the diplomatic side of the fence. It should get exciting very soon.
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^^^^

I know there are great difficulties in dissuading somebody from asserting what they consider their territorial imperative to be. But depending on the kindness of strangers is downright scary and *stupid*. The Fort Worth tested Kongsberg anti ship missiles before it went on far east deployment. Why they didn't follow through with this, I have no idea. I suspect politics. So it leaves me wondering what is the use of provoking territorial maniacs w/o carrying a big stick. A recipe for disaster ala the Pueblo in my humble opinion.
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There certainly is a risk - but not enough to invoke the Pueblo incidence.

There are steps that are normally followed and that is what happened here (he he).

But, the bigger topic is who else will join this party (and my reason for IN building out a BIGGER carrier).
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if it has torpedoes it should be capable to defending itself against attempts to ram and sink it.
nothing like a torpedo to put a cramp on the party. it a smaller agile ship vs a ddg51 and can roam around and needle the dragon in many shallow areas and reefs the ddg51 would not operate in.
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http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Penta ... e_999.html
A recent report released by the Department of Defense warns of China's rapidly growing space program, insisting that many of Beijing's space activities are aimed at countering the space capabilities of adversaries in the event of a crisis or conflict.

The annual DoD report to Congress, titled Military and Security Developments Involving the People's Republic of China, comes as some in the US Air Force are calling for a more robust defense of US space assets. The US has more than 500 satellites which, according to the USAF, are increasingly exposed to threats from China's rapidly expanding space program and so-called "counterspace" technologies.

"China possesses the most rapidly maturing space program in the world," the report said. It goes on to add that in parallel with the program, the country continues to "develop a variety of capabilities designed to limit or prevent the use of space-based assets by adversaries during a crisis of conflict, including the development of directed-energy weapons and satellite jammers."

The news is likely to alarm Western countries, particularly the US, which relies heavily on communications and surveillance satellites to maintain an information edge over potential rivals. Beijing's expanding space program and capabilities, according to the report, would undermine that advantage.

According to the report, a launch in July 2014 renewed concerns about China's development of "destructive" space technologies. It noted that while the launch itself did not result in any damage or destruction, it had a "similar profile" to a January 2007 test in which a defunct weather satellite was deliberately destroyed, leaving hundreds of pieces of debris orbiting the Earth.

"The United States expressed concern that China's continued development of destructive space technologies represented a threat to all peaceful space-faring nations, and was inconsistent with China's public statements about the use of space for peaceful purposes."

The report additionally details an incident in which China sent an unidentified object into space in May 2013.

"China launched an object into space on a ballistic trajectory with a peak altitude above 30,000km [18,641 miles]," it said. "The trajectory took it near geosynchronous orbit, where many nations maintain communications and earth-sensing satellites."

"Analysis of the launch determined that the booster was not on the appropriate trajectory to place objects in orbit and that no new satellites were released," the report added.

The mysterious object was in space for nine and a half hours before re-entering Earth and, while it has yet to be identified, the report goes on to suggest that the launch could have "been a test of technologies with a counterspace mission in geosynchronous orbit."

Concerns about threats to US satellites have already prompted the Obama administration to propose an additional $5 billion in extra spending over the next five years to maintain the security of the country's military and spy satellites.

"The US government is providing more details on Chinese counterspace activities than they have in the past," Brian Weeden with the nonprofit Secure World Foundation said to Reuters. "The Pentagon is clearly increasingly alarmed about China's growing space capabilities and counterspace capabilities
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How many kinds of Flanker types do they have now? When I was still following the fighters scene (back in the old days of the LCA-J10 flame wars lol) the chinis had nothing but Mig-21 ripoffs. Nice to see how the Russians have upgraded the PLAF. Hopefully they are about as reliable as our MKIs.
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Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South China Sea http://www.microsofttranslator.com/BV.a ... 77147.html
China reveals ‘active defence’ military strategy after US flies surveillance jet over disputed territory

Jamie Fullerton
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China has upped its military posturing, issuing a strategy paper saying Beijing would “surely counterattack if attacked” by an enemy amid concerns from the US and neighbouring countries over its developments in the South China Sea.

The release of the document came shortly after Beijing lodged a complaint against the US for flying a surveillance jet over disputed territory in the South China Sea, where China is building artificial islands.

Chinese state media reported that the white paper, issued by the state council, the country’s cabinet, underscored that Beijing was committed to world peace and believed that a world war was unlikely. But it added that “small-scale wars, conflicts and crises are recurrent in some regions”. The state-owned news agency Xinhua highlighted one particular phrase, which appeared in the “Strategic Guideline of Active Defence” section: “We will not attack unless attacked, but we will surely counterattack if attacked.”

Much to the concern of its neighbours and the US, China, the dominant powerhouse in the region, has been building artificial islands and buildings in the disputed South China Sea, where the Philippines, Vietnam, Malaysia, Brunei and Taiwan all have overlapping claims.

Read more: • US warned by Chinese media to stop meddling

In one area, the Spratly islands, the US says China has created 2,000 acres of land, with satellite images showing what appears to be an airstrip.

The paper said that China’s armed forces would work to “resolutely safeguard China’s sovereignty [and] security and development interests” and work towards “realising the Chinese dream of achieving the great rejuvenation of the Chinese nation”.

The white paper on China’s military strategy said it would fight back if attacked .Announcing its release, the People’s Liberation Army spokesman Yang Yujun appeared to be referring to the US when he said that “outside powers” were attempting to “tarnish the Chinese military’s reputation and create an atmosphere of exaggerated tension.” He added: “We cannot eliminate the possibility that this is to create excuses for the actions that certain countries may be planning to take.”

Although President Barack Obama recently said that China was acting like a “bully” towards its neighbours in the South China Sea, the US refrained from having a physical presence in the disputes until it flew a spy plane over the region. The move sparked a diplomatic row, and the Chinese foreign ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying called the flyover “provocative behaviour”.

China’s rampant land reclamation efforts in the sea have alarmed its neighbours and the US over Beijing’s potential military ambitions there. But despite satellite images showing runways and helipads, Beijing has never acknowledged that the building work is military in nature.

People’s Liberation Army spokesman Yang Yujun holds a copy of the annual white paper during a news conference in Beijing People’s Liberation Army spokesman Yang Yujun holds a copy of the annual white paper during a news conference in Beijing (Reuters)
On Tuesday, it compared the building efforts to simple road construction.

“Every day all around China, there are all kinds of construction projects being started [such as] building homes, paving roads, building bridges, opening new farmland, etc,” Mr Yang said. “Looking from the angle of sovereignty, China’s development of construction on its islands is no different at all from all the other types of construction going on around the country.”

Taiwan’s President Ma Ying-jeou proposed a peace initiative yesterday for the South China Sea, asking claimants to cast aside disputes and concentrate on sharing resources instead. “We demand that freedom of navigation and overflight be respected in the South China Sea,” he said, urging a resolution before “major conflict breaks out.”

The statement was rebuffed by Ms Hua, who said in response: “We believe Chinese people on both sides of the Strait have a duty to jointly protect China’s territorial sovereignty and maritime rights and interests and safeguard the stability of the South China Sea region.
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chola wrote:
How many kinds of Flanker types do they have now? When I was still following the fighters scene (back in the old days of the LCA-J10 flame wars lol) the chinis had nothing but Mig-21 ripoffs. Nice to see how the Russians have upgraded the PLAF. Hopefully they are about as reliable as our MKIs.
Their weakness are engines. In the rest they will be competitive with an edge to the MKI in the area of the radar and its EW.
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They will continue to produce and upgrade their flanker and flanker clone fleets until their J-20 is ready for prime time, which could be some time away even in its most basic version. The Su-35 purchase appears to be a hedge against 5th generation delays and they'll keep on adjusting the number in order to not stop or slow down their fleet modernization.
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