Indian Military Helicopters

BharadwajV · Post by **BharadwajV** » 21 May 2016 16:02

Well, the sibling has them.
So probably a matter of time...

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 21 May 2016 16:32

Shreeman wrote:But hwy doej it not have window wipers? What if it is raining on the day of war?

Wastefool expenditure. In water - eg submaries - wiper is needed. Why for air?

deejay · Post by **deejay** » 21 May 2016 18:38

shiv wrote:
Shreeman wrote:But hwy doej it not have window wipers? What if it is raining on the day of war?
Wastefool expenditure. In water - eg submaries - wiper is needed. Why for air?

Shreemanji, there is the exiting arrival Wiper Tech newly imported from Greenland and works well in permafrost. It is modular and is highly networked with minimum MOD. Full TOT(a) with assured lease and buyback PPP model. The IAF has started hot weather sub surface trials for this amazing new tech.

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 21 May 2016 19:01

shiv wrote:
Shreeman wrote:But hwy doej it not have window wipers? What if it is raining on the day of war?
Wastefool expenditure. In water - eg submaries - wiper is needed. Why for air?

Peeple dont take me seriously, I am going to sulk.

Even in the neighborhood all kinds of disruptive technology (hint hint water kit car) are being worked on. Now you have this powerful platform with so much energy. It can just go up in the sky, into the clouds, collect water with the wipers and then use the water kit method. Have you thought about that. One may be even two more pilots can be carried if they were like children (hint hint truck cleaners) and helicopter will be able to operate for much longer endurance. Everybody knows there is rain (not just in spain) over the mountains or where else will the snow come from? So during rain you send up the helicopter or even park it outside or fuel it from a barrel and it will save foreign exchange that you use to build toilets in south asia, see?

edit -- the jalsa is still, going on.

arshyam · Post by **arshyam** » 22 May 2016 23:51

Tweeted the RM and PMO about naming the LCH as 'Bhairav', to fly alongside the Dhruv-WSI variant called 'Rudra'. Please tweet if you agree.

Vivek K · Post by **Vivek K** » 23 May 2016 03:30

Bhairav? Cheetah is a better name for an attack helo!

arshyam · Post by **arshyam** » 23 May 2016 07:36

Sure, after all that effort, if you want call an original homegrown product after an older imported one, what can I say?

From wiki chacha:
Bhairava (Sanskrit, "Terrible, Frightful")[1] sometimes known as Kala Bhairava, is a Hindu deity, a fierce manifestation of Shiva associated with annihilation.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 23 May 2016 07:44

Bhairav is a fearsome name. More suitable for K4 etc. Vyaghr or Simha or something like that will be more suitable.

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 23 May 2016 08:00

Sudarshan is an apt name for a helo

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 23 May 2016 08:09

Oh shyte. We are back to name games? Maybe i should put this thread on my skip list for a week or so to see if anything more informative turns up.

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 23 May 2016 16:03

I think we should just name the helicopter either hakim (afterall hokum is an attack helicopter), otherwise I am starting a patti-shun for the name shiv. Its very uncommon, no human is named like that, godly, and also like cheeter, chheetak, cheetal, etc not previously used.

In fact, like rambha, lets just call it shiv here, for "certain" reasons?

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 23 May 2016 18:05

Let's name them after desi booze! Solan No !,Hercules XXX,.etc,etc!

Deprressing media report that tx to AW,all helo deals are in limbo despite acute shortage.age crisis,esp in the In and that for "40 days" the Def. decision-making council hasn't met.

Thakur_B · Post by **Thakur_B** » 24 May 2016 04:26

If anyone noticed in Zee news docu, LCH has a trishul like graphic on it's side

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 24 May 2016 10:09

If its named "shiv", it is goung to have a trishul isnt it? I mean even turdistan named it nuwclear detergent trident. It wasnt an homage to a chewing gum or their dirty mouth. Just a hat tip to the hakim curing the downtrodden, and making bread from wine, or water from fish, or whatever in bradfordistan eaons ago.

The shiv, has a "ling", it has a trident, it sheds the ling-lets chasing biutiphul munna jihadis as the amorous lord shiva would. i mean obviously DRDO is getting all its graphic design and naming motivation from here. Also the ukistan DoD. And the alphaBet soup. Clearly center of the world.

Kakarat · Post by **Kakarat** » 06 Jun 2016 19:52

@livefist

Sources: HAL's Light Utility Helicopter expected to make its first flight shortly.

Cybaru · Post by **Cybaru** » 06 Jun 2016 20:37

LCH behind the LUH in the picture?

Kartik · Post by **Kartik** » 06 Jun 2016 22:18

Good news!

Indranil · Post by **Indranil** » 07 Jun 2016 00:11

Cybaru wrote:LCH behind the LUH in the picture?

Yes, both mockups.

Khalsa · Post by **Khalsa** » 08 Jun 2016 12:41

how did you deduce that ? (mockups)

Indranil · Post by **Indranil** » 09 Jun 2016 00:26

Spending many years looking at articles that can fly. Look at the rotor-hub and the rotors themselves.

Khalsa · Post by **Khalsa** » 09 Jun 2016 06:46

Eagle eyed
(Thanks)

Sid · Post by **Sid** » 09 Jun 2016 07:23

mockup seems to be a stretched out version with more cabin space. Actual prototype only has 2 cabin Windows.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 09 Jun 2016 07:58

Also the mockup has no exhaust pipe. Afraid to talk about exhaust pipes though..

Indranil · Post by **Indranil** » 09 Jun 2016 09:28

Except that it has an exhaust pipe

. There is a single exhaust stack at the back of the engine cowling.

Also, the length of the cabin of the mockup is of the same as that on the GTV and the prototype. The door is just much wider.

uddu · Post by **uddu** » 09 Jun 2016 09:41

Hain ji, why is the back door so small? A person cannot get inside because of its smaall sije. Even Maruti 800 have better back door.

Aditya G · Post by **Aditya G** » 09 Jun 2016 11:31

uddu wrote:Hain ji, why is the back door so small? A person cannot get inside because of its smaall sije. Even Maruti 800 have better back door.

Reminds of after market doors commonly fitted on maruti gypsy

durvasa · Post by **durvasa** » 09 Jun 2016 14:13

Rotor seems real and operational in that pic! It's built by the reputed Dr Khaitan! you can see that on the back wall, kept safe in a metal cage! Just one press of the button and it will whirl!

Indranil · Post by **Indranil** » 09 Jun 2016 23:20

The doors are like that on a Maruti Van.

Dhruv cabin can be partitioned in various ways:
1. In the passenger configuration: It can handle a passenger cabin having 12 seats in 7.3 cu. m. cabin (2.57L X 2W X 1.42H), and a cargo compartment with a 2.16 cu.m.
2. In the ambulance configuration: Its main cabin is longer at 7.3 cu. m. cabin (3.35L X 2W X 1.42H) = 9.5 cu. m. I am not an 100% sure how big is the cargo compartment or if there is one in this configuration.

In the LUH, the height of the cabin is slightly smaller at (2.22L X 1.5W X 1.265H) = 4.2 cu.m. It does not have a cargo compartment. I think that LUH is reusing the doors of the ALH, both for the cockpit and the cabin. The later has to be modified a bit.

Raghuk can correct me wherever I am wrong.

JTull · Post by **JTull** » 10 Jun 2016 10:13

Boeing targets October test for improved Chinook rotorblades

Once fielded, the upgrade will increase the heavy-lift helicopter’s useful load to 13,600kg, up from 12,700kg at present.

7% increase in load. Worth considering for Indian Chinooks. Any improved performance would be a big help in Himalayas too.

Technologies like this and swept rotor blade tips have significant impact on heli performance and HAL should be pursuing them.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 10 Jun 2016 11:24

The Brits some time ago had helos featuring a new rotorblade whose tips resembled spatuials.I think that they were introduced in some types. The yellow mockup of the LUH looks good,actually a little larger than the prototype.In fact it looks closer to a med sized helo than a light one when you look at many global light types. It would be better if it had a rear taildoor-cum-ramp which would allow faster and better ingress and egress of troops. The lower tail boom compared with the KH-226 might make it difficult though.One has to ascertain the clear height available from the ground .One large sliding door on either side would suffice if this is featured.The config on the yellow mockup looks more efficient.

Zynda · Post by **Zynda** » 12 Jun 2016 10:53

An excellent overview of AH-64E model improvements produced by US Army.

Remarkable thing is the utilization of results of so many mini R&D programs with out being tied to any specific program/type. Illustrates the beautiful cog of US MIC machine. I am sure other countries (who can afford) have similar such programs but the above presentation is impressive.

I hope the AH-64 that we are receiving contains most of the improvements. Probably stuff like UAV communication could be deleted due to being a non-signatory of various 3 letter treaties.

Apologies if the above video was posted earlier.

brar_w · Post by **brar_w** » 12 Jun 2016 18:56

I hope the AH-64 that we are receiving contains most of the improvements. Probably stuff like UAV communication could be deleted due to being a non-signatory of various 3 letter treaties.

Apart from US-Army specific communication nodes, the AH-64 the IAF gets will be the standard AH-64. Comms kit will obviously be replaced with something that works with Indian systems. I had posted this video, and we discussed this a year or so ago.

Indranil · Post by **Indranil** » 25 Aug 2016 23:14

I thought Mistral was a done deal for Rudra/LCH. Both HAL test pilots and MBDA have touted that.

Now, HAL has taken out a RFI for FOR DESIGN, MANUFACTURE, SUPPLY, TRANSFER OF TECHNOLOGY(TOT) FOR MANUFACURE, TRANSFER OF TECHNOLOGY FOR REPAIR AND OVERHAUL (TOT-ROH),CERTIFCATION (as required) FOR AIR-TO-AIR MISSILE SYSTEM (ATAM SYSTEM) FOR LIGHT COMBAT HELICOPTER AND ADVANCE LIGHT HELICOPTER WEAPON SYSTEM INTEGRATION (WSI) PROGRAMME.

Is this just due diligence to the process? Or have things soured on ToT (like the Shakti/Rafale/Scorpene)?

tsarkar · Post by **tsarkar** » 26 Aug 2016 16:29

^^ That was just integration. This rfp seeks manufacturing of missiles.

Vendor to provide the details of depth of TOT for Manufacturing & ROH considering both Hardware (Missile Launcher, Missiles and System LRUs etc) and Software (System SW as well as test equipments SW etc) along with necessary training and infrastructural requirements. Vendor to indicate the budgetary cost and time schedule for establishing the facility in India.

Does HAL want to be India's second missile maker after BDL?

putnanja · Post by **putnanja** » 02 Sep 2016 08:14

Hindustan Aeronautics' Light Utility Helicopter set to fly in a week

NEW DELHI: The first flight of an indigenously developed light utility helicopter is to take place within a week - a major milestone for the project - with developers overcoming a final software-related hurdle that had held up tests.

Authoritative sources told ET that the first flight of the 3.1 tonne prototype LUH, developed by Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd. to replace the ageing Cheetah and Chetak fleets of the armed forces, will take place in Bengaluru within a few days, depending on the weather.
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While ground tests for the LUH were concluded in 2015, the first flight had been held up due to certification issues in the software used in the chopper. As the LUH is classified as a military project, special encrypted software was needed. The developer had initially shared codes that did not meet specifications.
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JTull · Post by **JTull** » 06 Sep 2016 15:03

Apparently, there's been a 15min hover (flight)

JTull · Post by **JTull** » 06 Sep 2016 15:04

Ah, google finds it

15-minutes hovering marks light utility helicopter's first flight

BENGALURU: A prototype of the indigenous light utility helicopter (LUH) took off at 12.15pm on Tuesday, marking the first flight of the chopper, a 187-unit order for which has already been placed with defence PSU Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL).

Sources in HAL said that the firm's chief test pilot Wing Commander Unni Pillai and test pilot Anil Bhambhani were in the cockpit for the first technical flight.

"It took off at 12.15(pm) and was in the air for 15 minutes. It was a technical flight and several parameters were tested," the source could not immediately reveal all the details immediately.

The LUH platform is a single engine multi-purpose helicopter in the three-tonne class and is designed to perform various roles like policing, urban surveillance, medical ambulance etc.

HAL has been keen on LUH for a while now and has even embarked on a separate complex for chopper production in Tumakuru near Bengaluru, which will largely focus on LUH. The first flight of the prototype was to happen sometime last year, but there has been a considerable delay.

Speaking about the new chopper complex in Tumakuru, HAL Chairman T Survarna Raju had told TOI earlier: "Activities that support Light Combat Helicopter (LCH), and Advanced Light Helicopter (ALH) Dhruv will also be taken up in the new complex."

However, the primary responsibility will be to produce the LUH. Raju had said that if everything went well the unit could be operational by 2017-18. It will have the initial capacity to build 3 tonne class and 10 tonne class of helicopters and will be able to build about five 3-tonne class of LUHs per year.

Kakarat · Post by **Kakarat** » 06 Sep 2016 17:19

from @writetake

JayS · Post by **JayS** » 06 Sep 2016 18:16

^^ Great news. LUH looks awesome in colors. Godspeed for LUH program.

Paul · Post by **Paul** » 06 Sep 2016 20:18

From above ^^ will be able to build about five 3-tonne class of LUHs per year.+++

Number is low.