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ShauryaT wrote:There is one area, where it does make sense for India to build littoral warfare ships, not for ourselves but to provide to others. Vietnam, Thailand, Indonesia, Tanzania, Seychelles and others (like Baluchistan!). Armed with Brahmos and an ASW chopper and even a few TAL, it will serve a purpose. Their land air forces can provide air cover, if threatened with such. We do lack our own CIWS. we sorely lack indigenous arms across the board and are dependent on fire power on others. Need this corrected with Make in India!
Hmm...i like that thought..."BNS Shaheed Bugti (Baluchistan Naval Ship), home-ported at Gwadar is a heavily modified Kora class corvette built by GRSE Kolkata for the Baluchistan Navy. Armed with 4x BrahMos SSM, Maitri PDMS, 1x 76mm SRGM, 2x AK630..."

We do have our own CIWS system. The 76 mm SRGM and AK630 gatling guns are made in India. A mix of 5 such weapons can be close-loop controlled by the desi Lynx U2 fire control system utilizing the imported TMX/EO Mk2 combined radar/EO tracker. This overcomes the limitations of the MR-123 Bass Tilt radar/FCS combo that was allegedly not a closed loop system

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Do you see a scenario where we will conduct a beach landing requiring that level of Naval Gun Fire Support?
Perhaps, and hopefully, not. But, if not that particular ability, India needs to cover most abilities, if she wants to project herself as a power.
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Whats happening in this picture?

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What equipment is this sailor operating?

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Good pic of Vikramaditya's aft elevator

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Awesome picture
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Amazing pictures!!!!
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Dumb que: Are those chaps reporters or civilians? They are not wearing any protective gear (ameerkhan in me is asking)
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They are naval crew, deck flight ops and with color coded clothing per function.
If there are no active launches, but merely equipment being packed away, taken to hanger, then it could explain lack of safety goggles etc.
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In the first pic, you can see them wearing ear protection when an active flight/landing is underway. In second pic, you can see the burn protection clothing by sailor as he is standing right next to the CIWS gun and manually laying it.
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Karan M wrote:In the first pic, you can see them wearing ear protection when an active flight/landing is underway. In second pic, you can see the burn protection clothing by sailor as he is standing right next to the CIWS gun and manually laying it.
Thanks for answering my second question. Any idea whats up in the first one?

Btw the sea king has a retrofitted EO turret.

An interesting take on Project-28, very relevant to the discussion on the forum couple of posts back:

http://defencyclopedia.com/2015/09/18/k ... -corvette/
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There is a widespread misconception that the Kamorta is poorly armed for a 3400 ton ship. But it is very wrong to look at things like that at face value without understanding the logic and naval doctrine for behind them. The Indian Navy needed a ship which has the armament of a 1200 ton corvette and the endurance of a 3400 ton frigate. Basically it is not under-armed, but over-sized. By 2017, it is expected to receive its SAM package consisting of 16-32 VL-Mica missiles which have a range of 15 km and an active seeker. This missile can intercept sea-skimming and supersonic cruise missiles and protect the Kamorta class from submarine launched cruise missiles.

However, one question always arises. “Why build an ASW corvette with limited capabilities, when you can build a multi-role frigate which can do much more?”

The answer to this question can be obtained from observing the latest ships in the Indian Navy. The Shivalik class frigates and Kolkata class destroyers have an ASW specific equipment suite consisting of ASW rocket launchers, torpedo tubes, medium range guns, anti missile guns, sonars and surface to air missiles. What the Kamorta does is it just puts all the ASW and self-defense equipment from these 6400+ ton ships on a 3400 ton ship. This means that you now have a ship with the same ASW capabilities as a larger one and at a fraction of the total cost! So instead of sending a 1 billion $ destroyer for patrolling the oceans to hunt submarines, you can send a 250 million $ corvette to do the same job, just as effectively. This allows the Indian Navy to have 4 such corvettes for the price of 1 destroyer

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Halve that tonnage with a smaller 1500+ missile corvette like the Buran,etc.,and you will get 8 for the price of just one DDG!

Interesting offer from the Germans for upgrading our U-boats.years ago,the SAfricans,who stole the IN U-boat plans to build their own,offered the IN at scrap value components,spares,etc. as they were scrapping their sub inventory for obscure reasons.Needless to say we simply ignored the offer and also sold all our U-boat manufacturing eqpt. for scrap! This upgrade is most likely to happen as the Kilos are being yet again refitted.so it makes sense to refit the U-boats to serve for another decade at least.

http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/com ... 851665.ece
Aim to upgrade submarines used by Indian Navy’
Amrita Nair-Ghaswalla

GURNAD S SODHI, Managing Director, ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems India
ThyssenKrupp unit seeks pact with shipyards; awaiting nod from Centre, says MD of India arm

German defence company ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems is keen to offer its Type 214 submarine for the Indian Navy’s $7 billion P-75 (I) project, which seeks to build six new-generation diesel electric submarines. The defence major is awaiting a request for proposal (RFP) for the additional stealth submarines, and is eager to ink partnerships with Indian shipyards that include extensive offset activities and transfer of technology.

The Indian Navy currently operates 14 diesel-powered submarines, and one nuclear-powered submarine. It has been operating four HDW Class 209/1500 submarines, locally known as the ‘Shishumar’ class. The after-sales service provider, Marine Logistik GmbH, delivering spare parts for the ‘Shishumar’ class, was integrated into ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems (TKMS) last year. The cooperation continues under the new affiliation, with TKMS looking to support the upgrade of two vessels through the integration of the latest weapons and sensors, as well as bring its expertise in cutting-edge areas to India.

Gurnad S Sodhi, Managing Director of ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems India, spoke to BusinessLine about how the company has been supporting India’s indigenous defence industry for over a quarter of a century.

Could you tell us more on the company’s plans for India, specifically with regard to Type 214 submarine?

As one of the leading European manufacturers of non-nuclear submarines and high-end naval vessels, TKMS possesses outstanding expertise in system integration and in the role of a prime contractor.

We await the Indian Ministry of Defence (MoD) to issue the P-75 (I) RFP, for which we plan to offer the Type 214 submarine. Besides its highly regarded anti-surface and anti-submarine operations, intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance capabilities, the HDW Class 214’s proven fuel-cell based Air Independent Propulsion (AIP) system is the best available in the market.

(While conventional diesel electric submarines have to surface every few days to get oxygen to recharge their batteries, AIP systems help submarines to stay submerged for longer periods.) It offers exceptional operational advantages, combining best-in-class underwater endurance and diving depth to the Indian Navy.

Could you provide an update on the ongoing programmes with the Indian Navy?

The Indian Navy has been our customer for over 30 years. Over this period, we have demonstrated our commitment to the Indian Navy, as it has been operating four HDW Class 209/1500 submarines, locally known as the Shishumar class.

The very fact that INS Shalki and Shankul were made in India by a local shipyard under a technology transfer agreement is proof that TKMS has been supporting India’s indigenous defence industry for over a quarter of a century. We can proudly claim that even today, all our four submarines are performing very well without any inherent problems.

However, since the submarines are reaching the end of their operational cycles, we are exploring opportunities to upgrade the Shishumar class to Type 209 submarines with the Indian Navy, with special refit programmes called lifetime extensions.

TKMS is also in discussions with the Indian Navy about integration of weapon systems; we have the capacity to integrate most weapon systems that are selected by the Indian Navy into the existing Shishumar class submarines.

In fact, such customised integrations have been successfully carried out by TKMS in similar type of submarines for many other Navies of the world.

Has TKMS short-listed any Indian shipyard for collaboration or alliance?

We are aware that a well-qualified and high level committee has been formed by the MoD, which is presently evaluating the Indian shipyards. We will wait for the committee to submit its report. We respect the decision by the MoD in short-listing the most capable shipyards without any bias.

Thereafter, we will commence our detailed negotiations with the shortlisted shipyards, public and/or private.

German naval shipyards have begun to export submarines all over the world. Any specific aspect about the TKMS’ submarine that would benefit India?

Historically, no shipyard in the world has more experience in designing and constructing conventional submarines than TKMS. A robust partnership with Indian shipyards, including extensive offset activities and transfer of technology, would form the core of TKMS’ offer for the expected P-75(I) tender.

In addition, the HDW Class 214’s proven AIP system comes with a distinct advantage as they are inherently noiseless, making them ideal for submarine operations under silent conditions, thus our fleet is also known as the ‘Silent Fleet’.
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^^ you also get half the endurance with the buyan and no room for a helicopter or proper ASW kit.

a ASW corvette it is not by any stretch and never will be.
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The Petyas were ASW frigates and were only 1250t dpl.L&T may be upgrading the 5 Viet navy Petyas,reported earlier with new ASWweaponry,sonars,etc . There are a couple of innovative multi-role corvette designs were the helo is stowed below deck. While they cannot replace long endurance larger warships,they are very useful combatants available in large number,packing huge firepower.I posted the Chinese 056 multi-role corvette of which they're building a whopping qty of 60. Swarms of these would make life difficult for any large warship which would also have a limited number of anti-ship and anti-air missiles.On a lesser scale,even the Iranians are building large numbers of small missile craft for use in the Persian Gulf as the best way for them to stave off enemy attacks and for massed attacks too.
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Karan M, the flame-proof battle-dress in IN seem to be a recent thing or was it around for quite some time? One sees photos with this kind of clothing among the people in RN and USN bridges since the 70s.
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Aditya G wrote:
Karan M wrote:In the first pic, you can see them wearing ear protection when an active flight/landing is underway. In second pic, you can see the burn protection clothing by sailor as he is standing right next to the CIWS gun and manually laying it.
Thanks for answering my second question. Any idea whats up in the first one?
The person with the stick is there to discharge static collected by the helicopter en route to the carrier. That's why the rod has an earthing cable. That was the easy part. Not sure what the other two brave souls are doing. Almost seems like they have to visually inspect that the main landing gear has locked into place.
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Sub 1000 ton combatants do have their role in the navy, but in specialised niche areas. For example, the planned ASW boat acquisition is for 'coastal ASW'. The Tarantuls are intended quick reaction missile boats for dashing out to sea. Since we share sea and land boundary with Pakistan, they can be exploited for more roles. But that does not mean it can replace Shivaliks and like.

Secondly, smaller craft will have lesser survivability against a well armed opponent. Will PNS Azmat survive an encounter with INS Shivalik or 6 Squadron's Jaguars?

Our Navy is going to have a mixture of all types. At the moment, acquiring more ASW ships is paramount, coastal or blue water is secondary! Next we need to finalize the design for NGMV as Khukri class will require replacement.
PratikDas wrote:The person with the stick is there to discharge static collected by the helicopter encounter to the carrier. That's why the rod has an earthing cable. That was the easy part. Not sure what the other two brave souls are doing. Almost seems like they have to visually inspect that the main landing gear has locked into place.
Thanks, makes sense. Looks like it needs a lot of practice as the ship and heptr are moving.
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Sorry, autocorrect changed "enroute" to "encounter" :rotfl: Should've written "en route" with a space.
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i wonder what happened to the proposal to retire all the sea kings and get a new helo?

we are short of sea kings and they are very old now.
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Philip wrote:The Petyas were ASW frigates and were only 1250t dpl.L&T may be upgrading the 5 Viet navy Petyas,reported earlier with new ASWweaponry,sonars,etc .
- Petyas and Mirkas are/were ancient designs meant for coastal warfare.

- The modern example you're looking for is the Gepard class. Which again is meant only for the Caspian Sea (how many hostile submarines are there in the Caspian anyway? :roll: ).

- As far as India is concerned, the Kamorta class is easily a better option than the Gepard when it comes to ASW. Its stealthier, has a better sensor suite, has 2 extra torpedo tubes, and (most importantly) packs a medium helicopter for sub-hunting.
There are a couple of innovative multi-role corvette designs were the helo is stowed below deck. While they cannot replace long endurance larger warships,they are very useful combatants available in large number,packing huge firepower.I posted the Chinese 056 multi-role corvette of which they're building a whopping qty of 60. Swarms of these would make life difficult for any large warship which would also have a limited number of anti-ship and anti-air missiles.On a lesser scale,even the Iranians are building large numbers of small missile craft for use in the Persian Gulf as the best way for them to stave off enemy attacks and for massed attacks too.
- Which innovative corvette are you referring to? The Skjold class has no ASW capability, the Visby class, Victory class and Type 056 have no hangars. The TF-100 class (MILGEM) is over 2000 tons. The only one that meets the grade is the Sa'ar 5.

- Unlike the Iranians in the Persian Gulf we're not facing a huge enemy surface fleet in the IOR. And whatever threat we do face can be countered with a 'swarm' of Su-30MKIs & MiG-29Ks. Half a squadron of Sukhois can launch 36 Kh-35s and return to base before a missile boat has travelled 50 miles.
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Swarm of MiG 29K's isnt going to happen, Not even one after initial 16 has reached India! The Sea wasp engine's are not holding up just like their Airforce counterpart's
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Philip, Petyas didn't have sea going capabilities. One of them sank in a cyclone in Bay of Bengal.
I had an argument with KS even when in college about brown water navy and blue ocean navy. Former is small boats with missiles. Just a few of latter will blow them out of the water.
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soumik wrote:
John wrote:Even if you can build Kora for dirt cheap to arm them with 8 Brahmos (20 Brahmos order incl spares and tr rounds) would come to well over 60 million. Arming them with 16 Uran would cost even more..
The price of one KH-35 as on wiki( I couldn't find a better source) is 500,000$(2010 prices) this should put the cost of a whole set of 16 to 8 million$ now considering even a 50% increase 16 Uran should cost no more than 12 million$.
Considering the 36$million quoted is a bare bones vessel with Ashm, the cost of a fully armed Kora should be well below 50$ million. I estimate a mordenised stealth kora using the same base would cost us 75$ million tops.

Now considering the price of one P17A as 1 billion$ each ship is going to cost the same as 15 mordenised Kora class vessels. I suggest we build six of these and transfer the rest of the cost to building more Kora class vessels. Ask yourself what would scare you more as a PLAN commander transiting the Malaccas , one P17A with maybe 16 BRAHMOS sitting under the air cover provided by fighters based in the Andamans or 15 Stealth missile corvettes with 16 Urans each sitting under the same aircover.
Wiki is worst source for any price figures what is listed are domestic figures for bulk order. Harpoon is listed at 1.5 million and IN paid close to 7 million. As for Uran, Libyan order of around 90 was for 100 million that was under Gaddafi in 09 and likely was subsidized. Current order will be in ball park of 2 mill+ And to arm a vessel with 16 missile you are looking at an order of at least 30 missiles which will include spares and training rounds.

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If we want a modern corvette design that can accommodate a helicopter and is attractively priced. One needs to look at Baynunah class which was designed by CMN.
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Eye Test for every one ..I can see three Kolkata class destroyer

INS Chennai D 65

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looks like it might join service in a couple months. a few antennas are missing but looks complete.
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IN Petyas served very well for over 3 decades.They were better equipped than std. Petyas,which was usually the case with Soviet supplied warships and subs for India,more capable than std. export versions.
The Petyas had a range of 9000km.They carried out many operations in the IOR (see their role in the attack on Karachi in'71 given below) and even made visits abroad. The sinking of INS Andamans was mainly due to the shoddy maintenance of the eastern fleet and I was told that ships that came to its aid had different coupling eqpt,whatever and their pumps could not be used.

The Petyas were instrumental in the successful raid on Karachi,escorting the Osa missile craft as well.
Full story here:http://www.esamskriti.com/essay-chapter ... chi-1.aspx
As mutual respect increased at the local fleet level, it percolated upwards to Moscow and got reflected in the greater candour, width and depth of interaction with naval delegations to Moscow.

A remarkable achievement of these high level interactions in Moscow was that each successive acquisition was an improvement on its predecessor - the second lot of VELA class submarines were better than the KALVARI class; the second lot of Petyas were better than the KAMORTA class; the second lot of extended range missile boats were better than the earlier lot and the second lot of GHORPAD class LSTs were better than the earlier GHARIAL class.

But the largest share of credit for laying a sound foundation for Indo - Russian naval cooperation belongs to Admiral Gorshkov. He intervened adroitly at every impasse. His calibrated release of larger, better and more modern ships, submarines and aircraft were not only in step with the larger objectives of Indo - Russian political, economic and defence cooperation but also in step with his growing confidence that the Indian Navy would confidently cope with whatever Russia gave. His confidence, and indeed that of the entire Russian establishment, soared after the spectacular success of the missile boat attacks on Karachi harbour during the 1971 war. These attacks not only brought glory to the efficacy of Russian weapons when properly exploited; they also validated Russian confidence in Indian professional competence.

It was this confidence and mutual respect which flowered in the years that followed to produce the elegant guided missile corvettes of the KHUKRI class and sleek destroyers like DELHI and MYSORE.

In retrospect, despite all the procedural limitations of each side, the absorption of the Russian acquisitions was as monumental an achievement as the Leander Programme and the 1971 war.
http://indiannavy.nic.in/book/russian-a ... -1972-1975
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INS Sindhuraj - simply the bestest program I have seen about an Indian submarine!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wF85FZrLNXs
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^^ Manual Laying of AK-630 used against mines, floating or underwater obstacles and small boats. Inefficient, its better to use the EO director of Elta 2221 or BEL Lynx. In the following video, note how the operator is struggling to lay the gun https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOlVcRns5dQ

Hnair, its anti flash clothing, and IN personnel have been wearing it since WW2 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-flash_gear

Yes, Ramana, Petyas were built using 5 mm thick hull plates that was OK in less corrosive northern waters but completely unsuitable for more corrosive tropical waters here. Royal Navy standards are 8 mm thick hull plating. INS Shivalik uses 10 mm thick hull plates.
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>>Inefficient, its better to use the EO director of Elta 2221 or BEL Lynx.

does this soln already exist (and for some reason they used manual laying in the pic) or you are saying it could be done?
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^^ EO solution exists for a long time

Elta 2221 with EO sights https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... -04-19.jpg

BEL Lynx http://www.bel-india.com/?q=LYNX%20UI

Teg comes with a Russian EO director and no MR-123 FC radar.

The tankers Deepak & Shakti as well as OPV Saryu uses Indian EOFCS to guide their AK-630
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shiv wrote:INS Sindhuraj - simply the bestest program I have seen about an Indian submarine!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wF85FZrLNXs
Nice find Shiv , This looks like the upgraded Kilo

I have never seen any videos of T-209 of IN , In past too Kilo's were part of documentary be it NDTV or others
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tsarkar wrote: The tankers Deepak & Shakti as well as OPV Saryu uses Indian EOFCS to guide their AK-630
Can they function asna cwiz without radar based FCS?
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tsarkar wrote:^^ EO solution exists for a long time

Elta 2221 with EO sights https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... -04-19.jpg

BEL Lynx http://www.bel-india.com/?q=LYNX%20UI

Teg comes with a Russian EO director and no MR-123 FC radar.

The tankers Deepak & Shakti as well as OPV Saryu uses Indian EOFCS to guide their AK-630
What does Kolkata use for EO?? Since they use STAR for target tracking and FCR for main gun and ak 630.
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Pakistani rust bucket PNS Babur incident, when it tried to overtake INS Godavari
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7e_abTfvaqc
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In this sort of situation, can the ship that is trying to ram another naval ship be fired at as a defense measure? Especially in international waters?
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it was not overtaking, but deliberate.

have not heard of firing in such situation, even in hot days of cold war.
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Not possible during cold war because, they were evenly matched adversaries. In this case if not the Jihadi UPA at the centre, IN must have sunk the whole Pakistani Navy.
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A review of our sub crisis.The number of subs required is still too low given the huge sub expansion plans for the PLAN and Paki navy underway.

http://indianexpress.com/article/explai ... way-to-go/
Explained: India’s submarine story in deep waters, long way to go

The Kalvari submarine started harbour trials in Mumbai this month. Suddenly, there seems to be a lot of movement on the submarine front.

submarine, submarine, submarine indian navy, indian navy, indian navy submarine, india news, latest news Submarines are of two types: conventional and nuclear.

During his recent visit to Russia, Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar is reported to have discussed the lease of an Akula class nuclear submarine to India. Meanwhile, the Kalvari submarine started harbour trials in Mumbai this month. Suddenly, there seems to be a lot of movement on the submarine front.

Submarines are of two types: conventional and nuclear. Conventional submarines (SSK) use a diesel-electric engine as their power source, and have to surface daily to get oxygen for fuel combustion. Nuclear submarines are powered by a nuclear reactor, and they can continue to function submerged for months without having to surface.

But the SSKs score over the SSNs and SSBNs in littoral waters where effectiveness in relatively shallow water is a critical requirement. SSKs are optimised for stealth, and their weapons and sensors provide for effective operations close to the shore, both in offensive and defensive roles. A navy thus needs a mix of SSKs, SSNs and SSBNs in its fleet.

A force level of three to five SSBNs, six SSNs and 20 SSKs is required for the Indian Navy to fulfill its mandate of a blue water navy. The guiding principle of submarines is to have one on patrol, one on transit to patrol and one in harbour for maintenance. For adequate strategic deterrence, one SSBN should be underwater at any given time, needing a minimum of three SSBNs in the fleet.

The three aircraft carrier battle groups, as envisaged for potent force projection and expeditionary capacity, will need two SSNs each. Assuming a 60 per cent operational availability, 12 out of 20 SSKs will be available for both the coasts, the minimum required for India to maintain a credible tactical and operational presence in the littoral.

The Navy currently has no SSBNs — under construction INS Arihant is undergoing sea trials — and one SSN, a Russian Akula class submarine taken on lease in 2012 for 10 years. The Navy has only 13 SSKs: nine Sindhughosh class (Russian Kilo class) and four Shishumar class (German Type 209) submarines.

The first eight Sindhughosh class SSKs were acquired from the Soviet Union between 1986 and 1991, while the ninth and tenth were acquired from Russia in 1999 and 2000 respectively. The tenth submarine, INS Sindhushastra was the first Indian submarine to be fitted with the Torpedo Tube launched anti-ship Klub missile. The ninth submarine, INS Sindhurakshak, was lost in an accident in Mumbai in 2013.

The first two of the four Shishumar class submarines were acquired from HDW in Germany in 1986. The remaining two were built in India under licence at Mazagon Docks Ltd, Mumbai: INS Shalki in 1992 and INS Shankul in 1994.

The saga of India’s submarine acquisition has been one of fits and starts, resulting in the waxing and waning of capability. In 1957, the Defence Minister requested Lord Mountbatten, then the First Sea Lord, to provide India a target submarine which could be the oldest and cheapest available. It didn’t materialize. In 1959, the Navy asked the UK for three operational submarines, but it refused the soft credit terms sought by India. The Navy’s submarine arm finally came into being on 8 December 1967 with the commissioning of INS Kalvari, a Foxtrot class (Type 641) submarine, at Riga in the Soviet Union. Eight submarines were acquired from the Soviet Union between 1967 and 1974 — four till 1969, which participated in the 1971 Indo-Pak war. All of them have been decommissioned now.

The Navy first gained experience in operating technologically complex nuclear submarines when it leased a Charlie-I class SSN from the Soviet Union between 1988 and 1991. In 2006, India and Russia signed an MoU for the lease of two Akula class SSNs for a period of 10 years. India got the first one in 2012, and if Parrikar’s negotiations succeed, the second one could reach India by 2017.

India’s indigenously built SSBN, INS Arihant is undergoing sea trials, following which it will be inducted into service. Two other SSBNs, S-3 and S-4, are under construction now, and plans for a much bigger S-5 submarine have also been approved.

When it comes to conventional submarines, the Navy’s problems are not due to lack of a plan. A ‘30-Year Plan for Indigenous Submarine Construction’ was approved by the Cabinet Committee on Security in early 1999. This plan envisaged the development of two production lines on which six submarines apiece — christened Project 75 and Project 75 (I) — would be built in collaboration with two separate foreign submarine builders. The Navy would, in the meantime, develop an indigenous submarine design which would then produce 12 SSKs on these two production lines. By 2030, the Navy would then have about 24 modern SSKs.

The six Scorpene submarines being made at MDL are under Project 75 — INS Kalvari which went for harbour trials recently is the first one, and will be inducted by 2017. The balance five will then be inducted by 2021. No contracts were issued under Project 75 (I), which was amended in 2010 by the DAC to allow two SSKs to be purchased on outright basis, and four to be made in India. This was done under pressure from the then Navy chief, considering the alarming state of SSKs.

Late last year, the DAC chaired by Parrikar reverted to the original plan with all six 75(I) being produced under Make in India. A committee formed to examine the existing shipyards and shortlist them submitted its report in eight weeks but no decision has been taken so far. Furthermore, the 12 indigenous SSKs to be produced under the second phase of the 30 year plan have been amended to six SSKs and six SSNs in a decision taken this year by the DAC.

With only 13 SSKs in its fleet, and 10 of them of pre-1990 vintage, the government has decided to go for a refit of four Sindhughosh and two Shishumar submarines to extend their life. Even with extended life, the SSKs will suffer from performance degradation during operations.

India’s maritime neighbourhood has navies with increasing submarine and anti-submarine warfare capabilities. China currently has 5 SSNs, 4 SSBNs and 53 SSKs, while Pakistan is acquiring 8 submarines from China.
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