Guys,
Nothing so be so worried about.This prototype has atleast 60 % recoverable components.So the Airframe is the only thing lost.The avionics,mission computer,radar and the engine(LARZEC) should be safe.
Aero India 2007 - Info Thread
Ratan Tata is many things but he isnt suicidal. Any association with that gargantuam, cancereous, gangrene ridden corpse is to invite the stench of decay and years of running in ever diminishing circles.Kakkaji wrote:
RT may be looking towards becoming the Indian partner for the assembly of whichever MRCA is chosen. Tata's defense portfolio is growing, and getting the MRCA production partnership will be a big boost to their business.
I wish Tata would join with DRDO as the production partner for Arjun. I will distribute sweets the day it happens.
Just goes to show your idiocy doesnt it?SureshP wrote:Ratan Tata is many things but he isnt suicidal. Any association with that gargantuam, cancereous, gangrene ridden corpse is to invite the stench of decay and years of running in ever dimishing circles.
http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/200 ... 770300.htm
Tata Power's SED has been working on electronics and software development programmes for large projects of the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) since 1967. The SED began as a Reasearch and Development unit for Tata Electric Company to work on developing systems
http://www.tpcsed.com/
Almost all the projects are DRDO ones.
SureshP, stick to talking about Pakis please. You seem to understand them well thinking as they do.
Nitin "Call me JC"JCage wrote:Just goes to show your idiocy doesnt it?SureshP wrote:Ratan Tata is many things but he isnt suicidal. Any association with that gargantuam, cancereous, gangrene ridden corpse is to invite the stench of decay and years of running in ever dimishing circles.
http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/200 ... 770300.htm
Tata Power's SED has been working on electronics and software development programmes for large projects of the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) since 1967. The SED began as a Reasearch and Development unit for Tata Electric Company to work on developing systems
http://www.tpcsed.com/
Almost all the projects are DRDO ones.
SureshP, stick to talking about Pakis please. You seem to understand them well thinking as they do.
, you are entitled to your pedagogic mind and views, as I am entitled to mine. I am WELL aware of TATA and its dealings with DRDO and fortunatly they remain a sideline, at best, on thier balance sheet. Ratan Tata isnt foolish enough to back a substantial part of his fortune and reputation on the DRDO.When "defence" is actually "liberalised" from the dead clawing grasp of the failing PSU's, like the DRDO, then it we may see Tatas come into thier own in military manufacture.By the way Nitin I am still reeling from your accounts a year ago about the Kaveri engine, the best thing since sliced bread. Its toasted up quite nice and tasted scrumpcious.
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a) He did make most of that fortune by working with the even more "gangrenous" pre-liberalized version of Govt/PSUs. You are underestimating his skills by a wide-marginSureshP wrote:Ratan Tata isnt foolish enough to back a substantial part of his fortune and reputation on the DRDO. When "defence" is actually "liberalised" from the dead clawing grasp of the failing PSU's, like the DRDO, then it we may see Tatas come into thier own in military manofacture.
b) DRDO a PSU?
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Not true. JRD steered the Tata Ship thru the "socialist" period of India starting with Jawaharlal Nehru upto the late 80s and he handed over the reins to Ratan Tata around the time that India was liberalizing in the early 89-91 period..hnair wrote:a) He did make most of that fortune by working with the even more "gangrenous" pre-liberalized version of Govt/PSUs. You are underestimating his skills by a wide-margin :)
b) DRDO a PSU?
RT cut his teeth at a group electronics company called NELCO, which was a big failure and when he took over the reins, the group Satraps who were lot more powerful than him at that time (Russi Modi, and Darbari Seth, Peter Kekar ..Steel, Chem and Hotels) rose in revolt.. Tata controlled only Tata Motors largely because Moolgaonkar died as RT was getting in .. If anyone remembers the time, much of RT's early years were in cutting down the old satraps and increasing Tata stake in the group companies.. RT solidified his credibility only after Indica succeeded at Tata Motors and Tata Steel nursed back to its previous heights by the end of the decade and recovered from the steel de control shock of the early 90s..
RT will always be indetified by the indica. It was his success .. No one else pushed for it and if it had failed, he would have been left holding the can.
I believe some reference to this was made in CopeIndia 2004 on this board when the Su-30MK (older version) faced off with the F-15C. Someone had talked about showing only certain radar frequencies, and how the IAF considered them as lost since they would certainly be added to any threat library that the USAF ECM vendors had but since they constituted only a fraction of the actual frequencies it was not a big deal.Sumeet wrote:Source: AWST March 13th 2000. Question: Can they do that in India ?Whenever foreign aircraft appear at U.S. air shows or participate in military operations like Red Flag, the U.S. is gathering intelligence on the aircraft............With a good library of aircraft radar signal characteristics, computer specialists can build the processing into modern radars that permit identification.
"Suresh P" (rhymes with something, I wonder whatSureshP wrote:Nitin "Call me JC"
) please dont be more stupid- your first claim was that TATA was not associating with DRDO, in fact they have been doing so for long & will continue to do so. I doubt whether you are aware of anything regarding DRDO and TATAs dealings, given this forum will be discussing several of those projects in the future years. 
Tata has also got order worth hundreds of crores for the Pinaka which is a recurring one so please...try your farce on someone who cant look through your drivel. Of course you are entitled to your views- but if your "views" are uninformed ranting, then be well prepared to have someone respond gently in turn.
Having spoken to TATA reps but recently, I am well aware of their future plans which include working with DRDO which has made the SED its preferred partner (and which SED regards as a good business opportunity) and several of TATAs companies dont even openly acknowledge their work for PR/ Sensitivity reasons.
Its amusing to see you wear your ignorance on your sleeve so openly. The Tatas have applied for a Raksha Udyog Ratna license and are well in line to be one of the key defence conglomerates in India along with L&T. And also that TATA SED has been a preferred partner for several mulimillion $ deals as of recently..simply put dear feller, you are again talking out of your hat. Nor is DRDO a PSU. Strike two.When "defence" is actually "liberalised" from the dead clawing grasp of the failing PSU's, like the DRDO, then it we may see Tatas come into thier own in military manufacture.
Strike three- which just goes to show how completely and totally clueless you are. Kakkaji was speaking of the Arjun being manufactured by DRDO. A decision which for political reasons went to the lethargic OFB. Considering the quantum of investment and my own discussions on the topic, TATA would have given its eye teeth to have got the same..pure business sense..but I dont think you know about L&T's plans either, do you?
This is exactly why I think Suresh P (By the way Nitin I am still reeling from your accounts a year ago about the Kaveri engine, the best thing since sliced bread. Its toasted up quite nice and tasted scrumpcious.
) that you share some esteemable characteristics with your friends across the border. The need to invent mythical martial victories, misattributing claims and then passing it off for years as "Fact". Perhaps its why you claim to understand them so well, eh? Fact: I was the one to point out a year back, about the Kaveris technical issues, as well as key manpower issues. I also shared that information with certain informed members of BR at the time. I regret to say you wont be joining that list anytime soon.
Its best that you stick to cursing DRDO and ISRO (ah how can we forget that) - and bragging about how you single handedly could develop the Kaveri with a few "students" as backup. I suggest sir, that you apply for a single man stall at AeroIndia, with a spinning wheel in front- the hot air there alone will meet most of Bangalores coming energy requirements.
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Folks....I suppose the only guys you will be able to catch tmrw are KAPIL AND Seetal and probably Shiv.Jagan is leaving tmrw morning.Hi Shankar AKA TOM CLANCY.Hope to catch you tomorrow.OUR BR STALL is PAN - DUKAN....ISH this time around.I managed to miss it last time too...until i saw Jagan's towering figure outside the stall.
wow~ so much for 35's emphasis on TVC. what else they got other than TVC yet on the 35, comparing the OVTs. of course they bungled to christen a new number/name for it. its shame, imho.http://www.hindu.com/2007/02/09/stories ... 421100.htm * A standalone photograph captioned "The race is on: MiG MAGIC: A MiG-35 fighter jet, which was unveiled to the world by Russian Aircraft Corporation-MiG, shows its prowess at the Aero India show in Bangalore on Wednesday ... ." (February 8, 2007, page 1) led to confusion with a reader saying that it was a MiG-29OVT. Our Bangalore Bureau, quoting the Russian team at the airshow, clarifies that the aircraft in the picture is a MiG-29OVT. The Russians are using it to demonstrate what the capabilities of a MiG-35 with thrust vectoring will be like. This is because thrust vectoring is an option on the MiG-35.
From what i overheard from people at HAL stall closely connected with the IJT test programme -- apparently Baldy is not only the senior most pilot in the test team, he is the msot careless as well... and he keeps a habit of not closing the canopy door properly..webmaster wrote:x-post
Photos of IJT Wreck from AI2007
http://media.bharat-rakshak.com/aero/ma ... temId=3187
News is that the canopy opened prematurely because of this the aircraft skidded of the runway. The aircraft is believed to be a write-off.
so the general feeling among them is that the canopy opened (automatically locks the rudder control), the a/c lost directional stability and veered off..
but the program itself is in good shape.. apparently the wight reduction from Proto1 to Proto2 had gone exceedingly well.. the fuselage requires minimum modifications for the Al55 engine... certification is expected to b finished by 2008-end.. IAF is committed to the plane and atleast 200 are expected to be produced.
I read a inspiring early history of TISCO in TOI after the corus deal together with a couple of yellowed sepia photos. in jamshedpur (saktchi) they had a photo of bullock carts shipping the machinery in (kinda like Kalamji @ thumba on a bicycle and sounding rocket). one british railway satrap claimed he would eat ounces of indian steel if it ever rose to british std. yet Tisco it was who supplied the steel for howrah bridge. Tisco also didnt jack up its steel prices during the WW2 (decision by JRD).
also it seems figures like subhash chandra bose , Nehru and Rajendra Prasad were involved at various points to discuss labour unrest and resolve diffs. the last strike there was in 1928
J.N.T specifically instructed the township planners to leave lots of wide roads, trees and parks.
I would imagine J.N.T when he toured the US ohio and penn area to seek out steel technology would have been laughed at by the gora sahiblog and told to 'know his place' and go 'plough rice' .....
also it seems figures like subhash chandra bose , Nehru and Rajendra Prasad were involved at various points to discuss labour unrest and resolve diffs. the last strike there was in 1928
J.N.T specifically instructed the township planners to leave lots of wide roads, trees and parks.I would imagine J.N.T when he toured the US ohio and penn area to seek out steel technology would have been laughed at by the gora sahiblog and told to 'know his place' and go 'plough rice' .....
Can someone also find out the progress on Elbit - DRDO jv on IRST for LCA ?
If possible more info on DARE-Elisra JV for EW systems ? Details like who will be desiging what etc..... also if this JV is exclusively aimed at LCA only or its aim is to produce EW-DASS for a wide array of aircrafts ?
datalinking project for phalcon and for LCA.
Thanks.
If possible more info on DARE-Elisra JV for EW systems ? Details like who will be desiging what etc..... also if this JV is exclusively aimed at LCA only or its aim is to produce EW-DASS for a wide array of aircrafts ?
datalinking project for phalcon and for LCA.
Thanks.
That sounds really good could you please post a link for itSingha wrote:I read a inspiring early history of TISCO in TOI after the corus deal together with a couple of yellowed sepia photos. in jamshedpur (saktchi) they had a photo of bullock carts shipping the machinery in (kinda like Kalamji @ thumba on a bicycle and sounding rocket). one british railway satrap claimed he would eat ounces of indian steel if it ever rose to british std. yet Tisco it was who supplied the steel for howrah bridge. Tisco also didnt jack up its steel prices during the WW2 (decision by JRD).
also it seems figures like subhash chandra bose , Nehru and Rajendra Prasad were involved at various points to discuss labour unrest and resolve diffs. the last strike there was in 1928
I would imagine J.N.T when he toured the US ohio and penn area to seek out steel technology would have been laughed at by the gora sahiblog and told to 'know his place' and go 'plough rice' .....
Thanks
http://www.domain-b.com/companies/compa ... _years.htm
seems subhash chandra bose was a union leader in tisco.
seems subhash chandra bose was a union leader in tisco.
When folks who are at AeroIndia have free time on their hands, please arrange the following aircrafts according to 'Build Quality', in descending order. - TIA
LCA- Tejas
F-18
F-16
Mig-29 OVT
Mig-35
Gripen
Jaguar
Su-30 MKI
Mirage 2K
I'm guessing the 'OVT' will come last, according to Harry.
But am interested where the Mig-35 and Tejas will land. Please be brutally honest.
- many many Thanks in Advance.
LCA- Tejas
F-18
F-16
Mig-29 OVT
Mig-35
Gripen
Jaguar
Su-30 MKI
Mirage 2K
I'm guessing the 'OVT' will come last, according to Harry.
But am interested where the Mig-35 and Tejas will land. Please be brutally honest.
- many many Thanks in Advance.
Verdict:
This time around Aero India was much bigger than earlier ones, but was also probably much better in many ways.
Instead of making people walk about 2 km from parking to display area, they had buses this time, and there were prominent booths selling tickets at the venue.
Cameras were invariably allowed in although everyone was asked to demonstrate that they had working cameras.
Aero India 1996 had just 3 halls A, B and C. This time we had halls A, A1, B, C, D and E along with mini halls F,G,H and I.
Going through those halls and talking to people from "bigbig" companieslike GE and Pratt and Whitney, small Indian private companies doing some fancy stuff and seeing the enormous width of work covered by HAL, ADA, BEL, DRDO, 101 Base Repair Depot of the Air Force was a philosophical experience in a way.
It seems that mega-Indian companies like BEL and HAL have had to do every thing by themselves - i.e. produce every single component "in house" rather than outsourcing to India industry for two reasons
1) Lack of expertise to do something outside
2) A tendency for the Government Public sector to keep all specs and requirements "secret" for security reasons.
It is possible that problem 2 has had a feedback effect on problem 1, aggravating it.
Even today as I went around awed by BEL producing electronics, mechanical assemblies, electro optics as well as plastic mouldings, and then seeing 1 BRD doing "indigenization" of the same broad swath of technologies, I was happy to see small Indian companies with finely machined precision parts ready to make tricky components from rare materials.(I have photos videos and descriptions - but it will be days before things appear coherently).
On the other hand I noted that a large number of foreign companies too have been supplying critical parts for Indian industry. Some are probably sanctionable, and there was no way of telling whether any India private company would be able to produce that, or would it be tasked to the military engineers of BRD to do that, or via the civilian path of DRDO.
Despite its reputation on here - the DRDO has done a huge variety of things that are not visible - often handing over the technology to existing public sector companies. I have info/pics - will upload in due sourse.
The flying, of course, was superlative.
This time around Aero India was much bigger than earlier ones, but was also probably much better in many ways.
Instead of making people walk about 2 km from parking to display area, they had buses this time, and there were prominent booths selling tickets at the venue.
Cameras were invariably allowed in although everyone was asked to demonstrate that they had working cameras.
Aero India 1996 had just 3 halls A, B and C. This time we had halls A, A1, B, C, D and E along with mini halls F,G,H and I.
Going through those halls and talking to people from "bigbig" companieslike GE and Pratt and Whitney, small Indian private companies doing some fancy stuff and seeing the enormous width of work covered by HAL, ADA, BEL, DRDO, 101 Base Repair Depot of the Air Force was a philosophical experience in a way.
It seems that mega-Indian companies like BEL and HAL have had to do every thing by themselves - i.e. produce every single component "in house" rather than outsourcing to India industry for two reasons
1) Lack of expertise to do something outside
2) A tendency for the Government Public sector to keep all specs and requirements "secret" for security reasons.
It is possible that problem 2 has had a feedback effect on problem 1, aggravating it.
Even today as I went around awed by BEL producing electronics, mechanical assemblies, electro optics as well as plastic mouldings, and then seeing 1 BRD doing "indigenization" of the same broad swath of technologies, I was happy to see small Indian companies with finely machined precision parts ready to make tricky components from rare materials.(I have photos videos and descriptions - but it will be days before things appear coherently).
On the other hand I noted that a large number of foreign companies too have been supplying critical parts for Indian industry. Some are probably sanctionable, and there was no way of telling whether any India private company would be able to produce that, or would it be tasked to the military engineers of BRD to do that, or via the civilian path of DRDO.
Despite its reputation on here - the DRDO has done a huge variety of things that are not visible - often handing over the technology to existing public sector companies. I have info/pics - will upload in due sourse.
The flying, of course, was superlative.
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Everything in house was the only option available to Indian industry immediately after indepednce. However this is not an ecnonomically efficient model. Vertically integrated in every respect does not result in economy of scale and is hugely wasteful.shiv wrote: It seems that mega-Indian companies like BEL and HAL have had to do every thing by themselves - i.e. produce every single component "in house" rather than outsourcing to India industry for two reasons
1) Lack of expertise to do something outside
2) A tendency for the Government Public sector to keep all specs and requirements "secret" for security reasons.
It is possible that problem 2 has had a feedback effect on problem 1, aggravating it.
For eg. when Tata (then called TELCO) first started making Benz Trucks in India, they had to make everything upto the nuts and bolts in house. Why they even had a dairy farm in Jamshedpur to supply milk for the Tata companies and housing colonies and there were a large number of "Tata Cows" . However if you go into Tata Motors works today, it will be a radically different operation, which relies on a huge network of suppliers and Tata confining itself to just assembly at its plants (in addition to R&D and design and development for its vehicles).
The PSUs of course simply could not move out of their fully vertically integrated "100 % indigenization" model for a couple of reasons.. 1) No real competitive threat coz of protected markets 2) No PSU can actually think and do anything fundamentally different from the govt mandated industry model 3) Too insular and closed to even know that there are better ways of doing it 4) Socialist ideology that reigned until very recently.
Jagan/BRAdmins:
Who is the person on the extreme right in this pic?
http://media.bharat-rakshak.com/aero/ma ... temId=3672
The same person is being facilitated here:
http://media.bharat-rakshak.com/aero/ma ... temId=3674
Who is the person on the extreme right in this pic?
http://media.bharat-rakshak.com/aero/ma ... temId=3672
The same person is being facilitated here:
http://media.bharat-rakshak.com/aero/ma ... temId=3674
Please do not ask for names. No names will be posted in public. I will delete all references tonames unless the owner of a face identifies himself.Ananth wrote:Jagan/BRAdmins:
Who is the person on the extreme right in this pic?
http://media.bharat-rakshak.com/aero/ma ... temId=3672
The same person is being facilitated here:
http://media.bharat-rakshak.com/aero/ma ... temId=3674
http://www.stratfor.com/products/premiu ... ?id=283987
India: Aero India and the Future of India's Defense Industry
February 06, 2007 20 57 GMT
Summary
Yelahanka air force base will host the sixth biannual Aero India Aerospace and Defense Exhibition, set to begin Feb. 7. With more than 400 defense companies participating, this Aero India exhibition will be the largest yet -- a reminder of India's continuing rise as a military power.
Analysis
India is in the midst of a dramatic military modernization program that, in business terms, equates to billions of dollars in defense acquisitions. The sixth biannual Aero India Aerospace and Defense Exhibition, set to begin Feb. 7 at Yelahanka air force base, is an indication of the magnitude of India's military revamp. More than 400 companies are going to the exhibition in hopes of attracting Indian defense dollars.
And at no time is India more adept at trade than when multiple parties vie for its favor. Consider the ongoing competition for Indian attention between Washington and Moscow, which India is using to attempt to extract major nuclear concessions from both parties. On Dec. 18, 2006, U.S. President George W. Bush signed the Henry J. Hyde United States-India Peaceful Atomic Energy Cooperation Act. Getting the U.S. Congress to change existing laws on selling nuclear supplies to a nonsignatory of the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty was a crucial step. Washington and New Delhi now are in negotiations to solidify the deal by drafting a binding treaty, dubbed the "123 agreement." On Jan. 25, Russian President Vladimir Putin countered the U.S. move by signing an agreement with New Delhi to build four new nuclear reactors in India.
Moscow and Washington's competition for New Delhi's attention extends to the defense sector. India is about to begin indigenous licensed construction of the Russian RD-33 thrust-vectoring engine, a definitive leap for Indian jet engine production (though India already produces the base R-33 engine for its existing MiG-29 fleet). The Moscow-based Chernyshev machine-building plant will supply 20 new 18,000-pound thrust RD-33 engines for trials at a cost of about $25 million. Then, under a $250 million deal with Rosobornexport and St. Petersburg-based Klimov, India's Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd. (HAL) will manufacture 120 RD-33 series 3 extended life cycle jet engines. For its part, Boeing Co. made an offer Feb. 3 that involves the joint development of the F/A-18E/F Super Hornet, which has not yet been sold abroad.
But the F/A-18 and the MiG-35 (for which the RD-33 engine is built) are only two of the aircraft that will be on exhibit at Aero India. The U.S. F-16, Swedish SAAB Gripen, French Dassault Rafale and Eurofighter Typhoon also will be among the designs. Along with the ongoing multirole fighter plane competition, India also is interested in helicopters -- a competition not to be underestimated, as the current head of the Indian air force is the first helicopter pilot to hold the office.
Meanwhile, India already is set to receive the MiG-35 carrier variant, the MiG-29K and MiG-29KUB, the two-seat trainer. The order could be for as many as 46 airframes if they are selected for fielding on India's new carrier, the INS Vikramaditya. The MiG-35 (the export version of the MiG-29) and the MiG-29K have high RD-33 engine compatibility that India would certainly consider when making future purchases.
But defense contractors will hardly limit themselves to what India thinks it needs. Boeing plans to bring a C-17 Globemaster III transport, for which export deliveries are in the works for the British, Canadian and Australian air forces. Boeing's arrangements with Canada in particular demonstrate the company's willingness to shift a portion of the production abroad in order to seal a deal. Not to be left out, Lockheed Martin will display the latest version of the C-130, the transport's "J" upgrade. The acquisition of either of these aircraft would dramatically increase India's airlift capacity.
Boeing also is set to display the P-8A Multi-mission Maritime Aircraft -- the replacement for the long-serving P-3 Orion. The new aircraft is based on 737-800ERX airframe but has yet to progress beyond the design phase.
Raytheon's booth also will include some hot ticket items. With the Advanced Medium-Range Air-to-Air Missile (AMRAAM) and its surface-launched counterpart on display, some of the U.S. Air Force's best assets could be in the offering.
Despite the outpouring of equipment and offers, India is just as interested in the degree of domestic production it can negotiate as it is in the platforms it can acquire. Though the acquisition stage of New Delhi's military modernization is important, India is building its defense industry for the future. The country's long-term goal is to design and build a world-class multirole fighter that can compete with the best the world has to offer.
HAL's extensive hands-on experience with older engines -- licensed production of the AL-55I for its indigenous jet trainer, engines for several generations of MiGs and Su-30MKI engines -- and Jaguar and Mirage 2000 overhauls and upgrades is significant. Although it had serious trouble with an indigenously designed engine for its light combat aircraft, HAL has at least a decade of extensive jet engine production experience. Coupled with hands-on production experience with RD-33 engines for the MiG-35s or the General Electric F414-GE-400 turbofans for the F/A-18E/F, this would give Indian designers an intimate understanding of some of the best jet engines on the market.
With the fielding of the BrahMos supersonic cruise missile (jointly developed with Russia) and the second test of its domestic atmospheric intercept system scheduled for June, India's current round of acquisitions should be seen as the latest development for an already robust Indian defense industry.
Pakistan can hardly be pleased. Already at a strategic disadvantage, Pakistan has a comparative lack of strategic depth and limited resources that keep it from being competitive with India. Nevertheless, if Pakistan can acquire new F-16s from the United States, it would help maintain the military balance -- for now. With continuing developments in India, Pakistan's need for the F-16s Washington has offered but not yet agreed to deliver will only increase -- they are the best Islamabad can hope for at the moment. Beijing's new J-10 fighter would be a good substitute, but not quite as good in terms of the technology, sensors or accompanying armaments (such as the AMRAAMs being dangled before New Delhi) as what Pakistan could negotiate with the United States.
Essentially, when the United States and Russia vie for India's favor, India wins. When the defense industry sniffs out large lucrative contracts, India wins. And when India wins, Pakistan loses.
usual crap from stratfor.
a few gems:
another:
lots of other gems also. but shud be enough
a few gems:
tell that to AAF, RCAF.For its part, Boeing Co. made an offer Feb. 3 that involves the joint development of the F/A-18E/F Super Hornet, which has not yet been sold abroad.
another:
Meanwhile, India already is set to receive the MiG-35 carrier variant, the MiG-29K and MiG-29KUB, the two-seat trainer. The order could be for as many as 46 airframes if they are selected for fielding on India's new carrier, the INS Vikramaditya. The MiG-35 (the export version of the MiG-29) and the MiG-29K have high RD-33 engine compatibility that India would certainly consider when making future purchases.
lots of other gems also. but shud be enough
Just an internal joke - He wanted a photo of us giving a CD so that later on we dont accuse him of lifting it. so we 'played it up'..Ananth wrote:Jagan/BRAdmins:
The same person is being facilitated here:
http://media.bharat-rakshak.com/aero/ma ... temId=3674
Incidentally anyone who drops in at the BR stall can pick a cd for himself - no charges. It has the AI 2005 video, a copy of the BR-IAF website , and some current pics of the AI2007
Hi Guys
is this correct
A Mirage 2000 from the Wolfpacks
http://aeroindia.org/node/41
I thought only the Battle Axe and Tigers flew Mirage 2000.
and Wolfpacks flew the Mig-27
Is wolfpacks a mixed squadron ?
is this correct
A Mirage 2000 from the Wolfpacks
http://aeroindia.org/node/41
I thought only the Battle Axe and Tigers flew Mirage 2000.
and Wolfpacks flew the Mig-27
Is wolfpacks a mixed squadron ?
Khalsa,Khalsa wrote:Hi Guys
is this correct
A Mirage 2000 from the Wolfpacks
http://aeroindia.org/node/41
I thought only the Battle Axe and Tigers flew Mirage 2000.
and Wolfpacks flew the Mig-27
Is wolfpacks a mixed squadron ?
The wolfpacks converted to mirages in 2004 end. Their first appearance was in Aero India 2005. However this is the first single seater seen from their stable.
There are a few in the pipelines, but dont get your hopes all up - There is no JaiS this time .. unless joey decides he can outdo the previous performance.JCage wrote:Jagan boss, any more infoboard updates?
The OFB one shows a brand new 125mm APFSDS round.
But the INSAS could do with much better finish, if they hope to export it they better understand what standards the world market aspires to.