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Rishirishi wrote:
William Cohen was probably trying to improve the vibes on BR about Amreekan Maal for India.
Hope he does not read all the posts in BR :D Anyone remember a positive post about him?
I think you are confusing William Cohen, former Defense Secretary, with our much-beloved Stephen 'Uneven' Cohen.
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Russian company unveils MiG-35 at Aero India
The jet made awe-inspiring manoeuvres in the skies over Bangalore soon after the inauguration of the sixth edition of Aero India, South Asia's biggest aerospace show that has attracted major civil and defence aircraft makers
Did anyone watch the above Mig-35 flying display at AI-07? If so, can you please file a report?

Do you think they have addressed the 'smokey engines' issue in this version?

TIA
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I think you are confusing William Cohen, former Defense Secretary, with our much-beloved Stephen 'Uneven' Cohen
yes you are right. :P
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by now I believe I'm obcessed with the new msmc. (see small arms thread/ read techfocus if you don't understand). :P
not that I care, tho' !
my request is for people going to the drdo stalls plz ask the drdo guys handling the insas displays about the msmc.
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[quote]http://deccanherald.com/deccanherald/fe ... 200728.asp Almost all the foreign delegates made it a point to express their displeasure about the “outrageously expensiveâ€
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[quote="SaiK"][quote]http://deccanherald.com/deccanherald/fe ... 200728.asp Almost all the foreign delegates made it a point to express their displeasure about the “outrageously expensiveâ€
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Post by ramana »

Posting the Deccn Herlad report in full.

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AERO INDIA 2007 TAKES OFF
Metal birds wow B’lore

Bangalore, DHNS & Agencies:

The Yelahanka airbase reverberated to the thundering sound of the war machines as India lined up its flying machines, both indigenously produced and those procured from other countries.

Residents of the City woke up to a cloudless day on Wednesday with clear blue skies banishing the blues that had set in with the ALH crash five days ahead of the Aero India Show.

The sixth edition of India’s premier five-day air show kicked off with great fanfare with Defence Minister A K Antony declaring the show open, after profusely thanking Chief Minister H D Kumaraswamy for ensuring that the proposed bundh against the Cauvery Water Disputes Tribunal order scheduled for February 8 was postponed to February 12.

The Yelahanka airbase reverberated to the thundering sound of the war machines as India lined up its flying machines, both indigenously produced and those procured from other countries.


The scene stealer was of course the trademark symbol of Cupid executed in perfect unison by the Suryakiran team. The Sarang strokes, the Dhruv dips, the Sukhoi swings were some of the other star attractions in the air.

When the air display was in full swing, UB Group Chairman Vijay Mallya was seen standing as he arrived late only to find that the stands were packed to capacity. Some overseas participants were heard “oohingâ€
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Whenever foreign aircraft appear at U.S. air shows or participate in military operations like Red Flag, the U.S. is gathering intelligence on the aircraft. When there are MiG-29s, Su-35s, Mirages, Rafales or Eurofighters flying at air shows, intelligence officers are present measuring those aircraft with radars to build a catalog of information. With a good library of aircraft radar signal characteristics, computer specialists can build the processing into modern radars that permit identification.
Source: AWST March 13th 2000.

Question: Can they do that in India ?
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what prevents us doing it?
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well nothing prevents us but the question is what about US ? Can they do it like by using radar onboard SH & F-16 to gather info on all other aircrafts there ?
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Sumeet wrote:well nothing prevents us but the question is what about US ? Can they do it like by using radar onboard SH & F-16 to gather info on all other aircrafts there ?
It is always done and they would have already done in other shows.
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lets be happy that lca is still stealthy. the mock ups could be made of tin sheet, emitting entirely pathetic singatures for SH! :P
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Israeli defense companies show wares at Indian air show
By YAAKOV KATZ
Amid concerns that the United States will break into the Indian defense market and steal away Israeli deals, 11 local defense companies opened the doors to the Israeli Pavilion on Wednesday at the prestigious Aero India defense expo.

Held at an air force base in Bangalore, the biannual Aero India defense expo is considered one of the most important for manufacturers of aerial-based technologies. Israeli companies presenting their wares at the expo included Elbit Systems, Israel Aircraft Industries (IAI), Israel Military Industries (IMI) and Rafael - Israel Armament Development Authority.

Defense officials said that the expo was of extreme importance for Israeli defense companies, in light of the fact that India was Israel's biggest defense consumer.

In 2006, India signed $1.5 billion worth of deals with Israeli defense firms. Maj.-Gen. (res.) Yossi Ben-Hanan, head of the Foreign Defense Assistance and Defense Export Department, was in charge of the Israeli pavilion.

The defense expo in India comes at a sensitive time for Israeli companies, which are concerned that the US - which is in the process of upgrading its ties with India - will steal away a large portion of their defense business in India. During the expo, IAI Chairman Yair Shamir said that his company would view favorably any effort to create new defense cooperation between Israel and India.

The Russian Aircraft Corporation MiG stole the show at the defense expo on Wednesday after it unveiled the newest MiG-35 fighter jet. India is currently in the midst of talks over the purchase of 156 multi-role combat aircraft and, in addition to the new MiG, is also considering the US-made F-16 as well as the Eurofighter.

The main Israeli-made systems on display included survivability and protection systems; self-protection suites for fighters; virtual cockpits; laser warning systems; data links for Unmanned Aerial Vehicles (UAV); and precision-guided weapons.

IAI is displaying several new systems at the expo, including the I-View Mk 50, the smallest in the company's I-View family of tactical UAVs. The system, designed for operational simplicity and low radar signature, provides real-time intelligence to commanders in the field. The UAV has an endurance of five to six hours and can be used for close-range surveillance, reconnaissance, target acquisition and artillery adjustment missions.

Elbit Systems, which has also set up a stall at the expo, announced Wednesday that its subsidiary Ortek Ltd. had been selected to supply surveillance vehicles for the Ukraine Border Security Project, in a first-phase contact valued at over $4m.

The vehicles will include a command and control station, monitoring sensors, and additional security measures, allowing operation even in severe weather conditions. The vehicles can accommodate three operators simultaneously.
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4500 hotel rooms most of them below 5* quality is a pathetic number for asia's fastest growing city. places like delhi and mumbai probably have 3-4X that number of comparable rooms. bengalooru sure operates on a small town mentality in these matters - the state govt could rake in tons of $$ by selling off some its land in outskirts to developers for building up the room capacity.
cheap and good rooms is always a nice first impression alongwith airport toilets which I am sorry to say havent improved at all in HAL airport - some kinda 2nd world contractor std with cheap sunmica/wood doors is being used when dozens of MNC offices have 1st world workmanship and fittings to emulate from. the urine smell is still there. .
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Now all the companies want Ratan Tata to fly on their aircrafts.

Tomorrow he will be aboard a Boeing F-18...

dayafter would be Gripen, MiG-35 I guess..
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has there been some crash right now? :(
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Post by krishnan »

According to CNN-IBN Aviation Correspondent Karma Paljor, who was just 50 metres away from the scene of the accident, one tyre of the IJT aircraft burst, throwing it off balance.
http://sify.com/news/fullstory.php?id=14384990
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Photos of IJT Wreck from AI2007

http://media.bharat-rakshak.com/aero/ma ... temId=3187

News is that the canopy opened prematurely because of this the aircraft skidded of the runway. The aircraft is believed to be a write-off.
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just a burst tire. the a/c looks intact.
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1.The Fuselage looks in good shape.
2.We can retrieve the Engine (I presume).
3.The Right wing is in tatters.

Just plain bad luck.But how did the canopy open pre-maturely.I assume the canopy locking mechanism should be fool-proof.Not something that flips open on a bumpy landing.IJT is meant for intermediate stage training and is meant to be fool proof in this regard.

I assume we can attribute this to a technical-fault because the pilot would only open throttle after all pre-flight checks are green.This includes the canopy lock indicator.Few chances that the pilot messed up.

Singha' burst tyre theory sums it up
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Post by Raju »

I heard Visnhu Som saying that the runway was extremely bumpy.

Probably one such bump burst the tire. And also with so many take-off's and landings taking place there is also that issue of runway debris.
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Post by Anshul »

Do we have the Aircraft Carrier version of Runway Sweep carried out at regular intervals.If Runway is an issue...then why was Yelahanka chosen as a venue.I hope no one pulls out of the Flying Display
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Acharya wrote:
Sumeet wrote:well nothing prevents us but the question is what about US ? Can they do it like by using radar onboard SH & F-16 to gather info on all other aircrafts there ?
It is always done and they would have already done in other shows.
Any aviation power worth it's name would be doing that, including us. 8)
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IBN: I wonder what is his and usaf's particular interest...unless TATA is considering a pvt squadron or two TAF to protect their greenfield projects in east india from dem naxals :twisted:

After soaring to great heights in his business ventures, Tata took to the skies like a pro on Thursday and flew an F-16 jet at the Aero India show in Bangalore.

And that 30-minute sortie seemed to have only whetted his appetite for more. Tata will now fly a Boeing F-18 Super Hornet fighter on Friday. "He will fly at around 2 pm tomorrow," a Boeing spokesperson said.
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where does that put the ijt project??
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Are there new hotel rooms being built? 4500 rooms sounds too less. Is there a possibility that a cartel is keeping the hotel roms short in supply? Just wondering.
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where does that put the ijt project??
it's a blow, but IMHO they can get over it. right now the engine is probably the focus.
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Post by Singha »

dont they have two flying prototypes ?
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Singha wrote:IBN: I wonder what is his and usaf's particular interest...unless TATA is considering a pvt squadron or two TAF to protect their greenfield projects in east india from dem naxals :twisted:

After soaring to great heights in his business ventures, Tata took to the skies like a pro on Thursday and flew an F-16 jet at the Aero India show in Bangalore.

And that 30-minute sortie seemed to have only whetted his appetite for more. Tata will now fly a Boeing F-18 Super Hornet fighter on Friday. "He will fly at around 2 pm tomorrow," a Boeing spokesperson said.
RT may be looking towards becoming the Indian partner for the assembly of whichever MRCA is chosen. Tata's defense portfolio is growing, and getting the MRCA production partnership will be a big boost to their business.

I wish Tata would join with DRDO as the production partner for Arjun. I will distribute sweets the day it happens. :)
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I dunno what's cooking?

But...TATAs have no business swaying defence contracts.RT in an F-16 is good publicity though.Lets' leave it at that.We seem to be reading too much in this.
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Anshul wrote:But...TATAs have no business swaying defence contracts.
I'd rather have Ratan Tata swaying defence contracts than someone like Olivio Quattrochi. :)
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Post by Vasu »

The old faithful Tabloid of India sensationalizes the IJT incident by reporting that "panic grips air show".

Was the incident big enough to suspend the air show? CNN-IBN is reporting the same.
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Kakkaji wrote:
Anshul wrote:But...TATAs have no business swaying defence contracts.
I'd rather have Ratan Tata swaying defence contracts than someone like Olivio Quattrochi. :)
Hmmm....Octavio Quattrochi...to be precise :wink:
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Post by Omar »

The consecutive ALH and IJT crashes occuring during highly publicised Aero India seem to be more than coincidental. ALH has been inducted into the armed forces of two countries after rigourous trials and the IJT has many successful test flights to its name. The Russians and Americans especially should be suspect since they have strong interests in marketing their defense wares to India.
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omar you are reading too much into a freak accident (ijt). there are much more subtle and effective ways of sabotaging a project than puncturing a tyre or something of that order.
for one thing , if caught, NO company from that country is ever going to get a contract from GoI.
for god's sake the sarang crash killed the co-pilot, who knows, even the IJT mishap could have turned fatal if it happened during landing.
you think they (yankees/ruskies) are ready to have blood on their hands for this contract ??

singha ji, I do seem to remember that 2 prototypes were flying. (wait, was it one static display and one flying @ farnborough ??)

CNN-IBN report was quiet good actually, they were the first to report it and their correspondent eye-witness (whatshis name) helped put things in perspective for the general public. mentioned that such things happen and so on.
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Post by Anshul »

Hmm...!
Conspiracy Theories ....!
An LCA crash should complete the trilogy then :x .
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Post by A Sharma »

There are two IJT prototypes flying 66 and 74. From the pics it is clear that 66 met with an accident today. 66 is the first prototype.
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Post by Rahul M »

thanks a lot, A Sharma, for a moment I thought they had lost the only flying prototype.

btw, Ai-07 is going on, can anyone find out the latest on the al-55??

also, nobody seems to share my interrest in the Modern SubMachine Carbine. :(

how can so-called defence enthusiasts ignore such a beautiful li'l baby??
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whatshis name
IBN correspondent at Bangalore is Karma Paljore.
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